Wisker pole

Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie.

whisker pole and info needed for CC36, too! Seems the Cal 36's did not have spinnakers? Or perhaps just the cruising version didn't? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: mo… [at] aol.comDate: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:14:36 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie.

Hi, Reg. Spins were optional on many sizes and models. Not to hard to outfit the boat depending on how the mast head looks. Did a CAL 25 spin rig upgrade recently. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:27 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole whisker pole and info needed for CC36, too! Seems the Cal 36's did not have spinnakers? Or perhaps just the cruising version didn't? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mo… [at] aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:14:36 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie.

Jim, at what point or points of sail were you getting passed. In what wind and sea conditions? Lake Erie (Put-in-Bay area?) would indicate short high wave conditions? Obviously, first thing is the bottom. Have a friend with a 2-30. Boat appears to move well. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Monaghan Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:15 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

No Way, a CAL 30 rates 222-???, that is the rating for a CAL 25 in SOCAL. A CAL 30 in SOCAL rates a 190. PHRF states : POLES Spinnaker pole shall not exceed 100% of J You can get the tubing and make your own. Shops sell the jaws and you can get the tubing. Timm Lessley had a source I believe, Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Randy, the 2-30 I mentioned in my other note indeed rates 198 with spin and outsails it all the time. Don't know where the CAL 2-30 222 comes from, but the CAL 25 rates 231 around here (although we always race one design). The compensation is for short waves and generally lighter conditions. Jim, what is the rating on that CAL 2-25 in your area? As Timm pointed out, you gotta be careful how the spinnaker pole gets measured. There are specific guidelines on how it is measured due to variances in jaw shapes and spinnaker pole bale on the mast. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:20 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) No Way, a CAL 30 rates 222-???, that is the rating for a CAL 25 in SOCAL. A CAL 30 in SOCAL rates a 190. PHRF states : POLES Spinnaker pole shall not exceed 100% of J You can get the tubing and make your own. Shops sell the jaws and you can get the tubing. Timm Lessley had a source I believe, Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

I almost said he should keep the rating and sail everyone in the ground. I have a problem with the rating system. My boat took a 3 second penality for a over sized spinnaker and if I race with OUT the spinnaker I still have the same rating. I would normaly rate a 180 but race at a 177. Randy "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Randy, the 2-30 I mentioned in my other note indeed rates 198 with spin and outsails it all the time. Don't know where the CAL 2-30 222 comes from, but the CAL 25 rates 231 around here (although we always race one design). The compensation is for short waves and generally lighter conditions. Jim, what is the rating on that CAL 2-25 in your area? As Timm pointed out, you gotta be careful how the spinnaker pole gets measured. There are specific guidelines on how it is measured due to variances in jaw shapes and spinnaker pole bale on the mast. Cheers Charlie Annapolis --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:20 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) No Way, a CAL 30 rates 222-???, that is the rating for a CAL 25 in SOCAL. A CAL 30 in SOCAL rates a 190. PHRF states : POLES Spinnaker pole shall not exceed 100% of J You can get the tubing and make your own. Shops sell the jaws and you can get the tubing. Timm Lessley had a source I believe, Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Jim, First of all, check with Forespar for whisker pole recommendations, or even a sailboat rigger. Second, I beat my friends Cal 25-II consistently boat for boat in our Tuesday Evening Races, and I was sailing a Cal 24 Oldie with blown out original (1962) sails and a raggity chipped paint bottom and a rusted out iron centerboard. If you're not sailing fast as you should it is likely your sail trim. There are many great texts on that, the one I found useful is Walkers "Manual of Sail Trim". Of course your three blade prop may be costing you half a knot to a knot of speed..quite a lot of speed difference. You may want to invest in a feathering or folding prop. Maybe you want to have a frequent PHRF racer sail with you and offer you some pointers. Most of my sailing is self-taught, school of hard knocks, and lots of book and magazine reading. Remember, that sail is really just a wing set in the vertical plane. Terms like maximum lift, maximum speed, and maximum lift/drag, used by gliders, hang glider pilots, and airplane pilots in an engine out situation, to fly as possible for a given amount of altitude apply. The birds have figured this stuff out over 100 million of years ago. Once you master it you'll have fun speeding past brand new sailboats twice as big as yours; and see the look of puzzlement on the face of that boat's skipper and guests. So often you see these boats slowly sailing up wind with there sails flagging in the wind, or sailing down wind with their sails trimmed close hauled. Jerry --- On Tue, 3/25/08, Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 6:14 PM Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie.

Randy, The flat top Cal 25 rates 222, and I think he's reffering to the rating allowance for non-spin racing, typically 15 to 18 seconds per mile.\ Whisker poles are allowed to be 1.4 time the LP distance, the distance of a line drawn perpendicularly from the sail's luff to the sail's clew. On my Cal 24 I'm fortunate to get away with a heavy duty 8' telescoping pool brush pole, unless the wind pipes up above twenty plus knots. Jerry --- On Tue, 3/25/08, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 8:19 PM No Way, a CAL 30 rates 222-???, that is the rating for a CAL 25 in SOCAL. A CAL 30 in SOCAL rates a 190. PHRF states : POLES Spinnaker pole shall not exceed 100% of J You can get the tubing and make your own. Shops sell the jaws and you can get the tubing. Timm Lessley had a source I believe, Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Jim Monaghan <mooserent7447@ aol.com> wrote: Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

2-30 I was talking about is a 15/16 rig. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Boyce Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats]CAL 30 PHRF was Wisker pole (CAL 30) (Charlie) Checking the PHRF-LE web site the handicap for a cal 30-2 Mast head rig is 180 with Spin M&J is usually worth 10 points or 190. My 227 rates 204/214 on LE see http://www.phrf-le.org/class_list.asp From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) (Charlie) I almost said he should keep the rating and sail everyone in the ground. I have a problem with the rating system. My boat took a 3 second penality for a over sized spinnaker and if I race with OUT the spinnaker I still have the same rating. I would normaly rate a 180 but race at a 177. Randy "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Randy, the 2-30 I mentioned in my other note indeed rates 198 with spin and outsails it all the time. Don't know where the CAL 2-30 222 comes from, but the CAL 25 rates 231 around here (although we always race one design). The compensation is for short waves and generally lighter conditions. Jim, what is the rating on that CAL 2-25 in your area? As Timm pointed out, you gotta be careful how the spinnaker pole gets measured. There are specific guidelines on how it is measured due to variances in jaw shapes and spinnaker pole bale on the mast. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:20 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) No Way, a CAL 30 rates 222-???, that is the rating for a CAL 25 in SOCAL. A CAL 30 in SOCAL rates a 190. PHRF states : POLES Spinnaker pole shall not exceed 100% of J You can get the tubing and make your own. Shops sell the jaws and you can get the tubing. Timm Lessley had a source I believe, Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i6 2sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>

Checking the PHRF-LE web site the handicap for a cal 30-2 Mast head rig is 180 with Spin M&J is usually worth 10 points or 190. My 227 rates 204/214 on LE see http://www.phrf-le.org/class_list.asp _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) (Charlie) I almost said he should keep the rating and sail everyone in the ground. I have a problem with the rating system. My boat took a 3 second penality for a over sized spinnaker and if I race with OUT the spinnaker I still have the same rating. I would normaly rate a 180 but race at a 177. Randy "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Randy, the 2-30 I mentioned in my other note indeed rates 198 with spin and outsails it all the time. Don't know where the CAL 2-30 222 comes from, but the CAL 25 rates 231 around here (although we always race one design). The compensation is for short waves and generally lighter conditions. Jim, what is the rating on that CAL 2-25 in your area? As Timm pointed out, you gotta be careful how the spinnaker pole gets measured. There are specific guidelines on how it is measured due to variances in jaw shapes and spinnaker pole bale on the mast. Cheers Charlie Annapolis _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:20 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wisker pole (CAL 30) No Way, a CAL 30 rates 222-???, that is the rating for a CAL 25 in SOCAL. A CAL 30 in SOCAL rates a 190. PHRF states : POLES Spinnaker pole shall not exceed 100% of J You can get the tubing and make your own. Shops sell the jaws and you can get the tubing. Timm Lessley had a source I believe, Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Jim Monaghan <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: Looking for plans to build wisker pole for 1969 Cal 30-2 or a complete pole to purchase, also interested in conversing with other Cal30 owners to get tips on geting her up to sailing her PERF-LE rating of 222 or spinaker rating of 198, she has been re-powered with a Yanmar and has a 3 blade prop.I am frustrated after seling a Cal 25mk2 that was as fast or faster than the 30, sailing West end of Lake Erie. _____ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> your homepage. _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8 HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> it now.