5 messages2008-04-07 21:39 UTCthrough 2008-04-10 11:41 UTC
Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
Tom Vandiver2008-04-07 21:39 UTC
Without starting a brouhaha about self, family, boat
and home defense, I wish to share our experiences with
attempted "piracy" at sea. While I will never admit to
having weapons aboard, I think it is stupid to go to
some of the places we have cruised without some means
of defending yourself. In our nine years of cruising
our Cal 46 from California, Mexico, Central and South
America, Caribbean, etc. we have had some threatening
experiences. We were prepared, Bobbie covers me from
down below as I stand with a visible large machete and
a smile. (She is trained also). Because we were not an
easy target, they went away.
In 1995 we had been hanging out in Venezuela, (before
Chavez) and Trinidad and got to know a lot of fine
cruisers and locals. We were offered a delivery job
bringing a 85' Berger motor yacht from Trinidad to
Ft, Lauderdale. You mean get paid to do something
like that?
Anyway, we were passing about 5 NM west of one of the
islands noted for having nasty folks. Just before
dark, a panga with several swarthy looking dudes fell
in behind us about 100 yards astern. We had heard
about these people sneaking up on larger power yachts,
boarding via the aft swim step and attacking or
killing the crew, then ransacking the boat or using it
for one drug deal.
As they got closer, I walked back on the after deck
with a Winchester Model 94, 30-30, displayed it and
levered one round in the chamber. Amazing how they did
a 180.
I grew up with guns, served in the Marine Corps and
have always been a gun collector, NRA member, defender
of the Second Amendment, hunter and target shooter. I
have been trained and am prepared to protect my family
and property. If you are not properly trained and/or
not prepared to take someones life who would take
yours, then I suggest you stay home and call 9-11,
which can be as useful as writing a letter to Santa
Claus.
End of rant.
Cal content: The painter who is almost finished with
Bravura our Cal 25, slid out on his motorcycle and
broke his foot, so she will not be ready for the
Dauphin Island Race, 26 April. Oh well, we will find
another Cal to crew on.
Tom Vandiver
RE: [Cal_Boats] Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
darr lafon2008-04-09 20:47 UTC
Stand off firepower is always a plus in these situations. Most of these
guys cannot shoot well anyway. They have to be up close. A 30-30 in
skilled hands is a deal breaker for them.
However, I prefer something a little more refined, like an AC-130 Spectre
gunship overhead, sending them small 105 mm love notes from above.
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From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Vandiver
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:40 PM
To: Cal List
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
Without starting a brouhaha about self, family, boat
and home defense, I wish to share our experiences with
attempted "piracy" at sea. While I will never admit to
having weapons aboard, I think it is stupid to go to
some of the places we have cruised without some means
of defending yourself. In our nine years of cruising
our Cal 46 from California, Mexico, Central and South
America, Caribbean, etc. we have had some threatening
experiences. We were prepared, Bobbie covers me from
down below as I stand with a visible large machete and
a smile. (She is trained also). Because we were not an
easy target, they went away.
In 1995 we had been hanging out in Venezuela, (before
Chavez) and Trinidad and got to know a lot of fine
cruisers and locals. We were offered a delivery job
bringing a 85' Berger motor yacht from Trinidad to
Ft, Lauderdale. You mean get paid to do something
like that?
Anyway, we were passing about 5 NM west of one of the
islands noted for having nasty folks. Just before
dark, a panga with several swarthy looking dudes fell
in behind us about 100 yards astern. We had heard
about these people sneaking up on larger power yachts,
boarding via the aft swim step and attacking or
killing the crew, then ransacking the boat or using it
for one drug deal.
As they got closer, I walked back on the after deck
with a Winchester Model 94, 30-30, displayed it and
levered one round in the chamber. Amazing how they did
a 180.
I grew up with guns, served in the Marine Corps and
have always been a gun collector, NRA member, defender
of the Second Amendment, hunter and target shooter. I
have been trained and am prepared to protect my family
and property. If you are not properly trained and/or
not prepared to take someones life who would take
yours, then I suggest you stay home and call 9-11,
which can be as useful as writing a letter to Santa
Claus.
End of rant.
Cal content: The painter who is almost finished with
Bravura our Cal 25, slid out on his motorcycle and
broke his foot, so she will not be ready for the
Dauphin Island Race, 26 April. Oh well, we will find
another Cal to crew on.
Tom Vandiver
Re: [Cal_Boats] Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
Marsh Wise2008-04-10 00:12 UTC
I am telling you... a stainless Ruger Mini-30 (means it comes in
7.62x39). Load the 30 round mags w/ alternating ball, soft-tip hunting
rounds and tracers (yes, you can buy them in free states). >:-) Oh yeah,
learn how to shoot -- shooting's fun!
Sailing content: I need to work on my boat -- too much working at the
day job. Need money for slip fee :-0 Ack!
Marsh
darr lafon wrote:
>
> Stand off firepower is always a plus in these situations. Most of
> these guys cannot shoot well anyway. They have to be up close. A
> 30-30 in skilled hands is a deal breaker for them.
>
>
>
> However, I prefer something a little more refined, like an AC-130
> Spectre gunship overhead, sending them small 105 mm love notes from above.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Tom Vandiver
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 5:40 PM
> *To:* Cal List
> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
>
>
>
> Without starting a brouhaha about self, family, boat
> and home defense, I wish to share our experiences with
> attempted "piracy" at sea. While I will never admit to
> having weapons aboard, I think it is stupid to go to
> some of the places we have cruised without some means
> of defending yourself. In our nine years of cruising
> our Cal 46 from California, Mexico, Central and South
> America, Caribbean, etc. we have had some threatening
> experiences. We were prepared, Bobbie covers me from
> down below as I stand with a visible large machete and
> a smile. (She is trained also). Because we were not an
> easy target, they went away.
>
> In 1995 we had been hanging out in Venezuela, (before
> Chavez) and Trinidad and got to know a lot of fine
> cruisers and locals. We were offered a delivery job
> bringing a 85' Berger motor yacht from Trinidad to
> Ft, Lauderdale. You mean get paid to do something
> like that?
> Anyway, we were passing about 5 NM west of one of the
> islands noted for having nasty folks. Just before
> dark, a panga with several swarthy looking dudes fell
> in behind us about 100 yards astern. We had heard
> about these people sneaking up on larger power yachts,
> boarding via the aft swim step and attacking or
> killing the crew, then ransacking the boat or using it
> for one drug deal.
>
> As they got closer, I walked back on the after deck
> with a Winchester Model 94, 30-30, displayed it and
> levered one round in the chamber. Amazing how they did
> a 180.
>
> I grew up with guns, served in the Marine Corps and
> have always been a gun collector, NRA member, defender
> of the Second Amendment, hunter and target shooter. I
> have been trained and am prepared to protect my family
> and property. If you are not properly trained and/or
> not prepared to take someones life who would take
> yours, then I suggest you stay home and call 9-11,
> which can be as useful as writing a letter to Santa
> Claus.
>
> End of rant.
> Cal content: The painter who is almost finished with
> Bravura our Cal 25, slid out on his motorcycle and
> broke his foot, so she will not be ready for the
> Dauphin Island Race, 26 April. Oh well, we will find
> another Cal to crew on.
>
> Tom Vandiver
>
>
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
Randy Alcorn2008-04-10 02:41 UTC
Uh Rah!
Semper Fi
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
Without starting a brouhaha about self, family, boat
and home defense, I wish to share our experiences with
attempted "piracy" at sea. While I will never admit to
having weapons aboard, I think it is stupid to go to
some of the places we have cruised without some means
of defending yourself. In our nine years of cruising
our Cal 46 from California, Mexico, Central and South
America, Caribbean, etc. we have had some threatening
experiences. We were prepared, Bobbie covers me from
down below as I stand with a visible large machete and
a smile. (She is trained also). Because we were not an
easy target, they went away.
In 1995 we had been hanging out in Venezuela, (before
Chavez) and Trinidad and got to know a lot of fine
cruisers and locals. We were offered a delivery job
bringing a 85' Berger motor yacht from Trinidad to
Ft, Lauderdale. You mean get paid to do something
like that?
Anyway, we were passing about 5 NM west of one of the
islands noted for having nasty folks. Just before
dark, a panga with several swarthy looking dudes fell
in behind us about 100 yards astern. We had heard
about these people sneaking up on larger power yachts,
boarding via the aft swim step and attacking or
killing the crew, then ransacking the boat or using it
for one drug deal.
As they got closer, I walked back on the after deck
with a Winchester Model 94, 30-30, displayed it and
levered one round in the chamber. Amazing how they did
a 180.
I grew up with guns, served in the Marine Corps and
have always been a gun collector, NRA member, defender
of the Second Amendment, hunter and target shooter. I
have been trained and am prepared to protect my family
and property. If you are not properly trained and/or
not prepared to take someones life who would take
yours, then I suggest you stay home and call 9-11,
which can be as useful as writing a letter to Santa
Claus.
End of rant.
Cal content: The painter who is almost finished with
Bravura our Cal 25, slid out on his motorcycle and
broke his foot, so she will not be ready for the
Dauphin Island Race, 26 April. Oh well, we will find
another Cal to crew on.
Tom Vandiver
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Pirates and self defense on Cal boats
Chris Campbell2008-04-10 11:41 UTC
Tom Vandiver wrote:
>
> We were offered a delivery job
> bringing a 85' Berger motor yacht from Trinidad to
> Ft, Lauderdale.
>
I interrupt this story only to correct the name, which is "Burger." The
Burger Boat Company is an old, distinguished boatbuilder in my
cherished Great Lakes, over on the Wisconsin side of Lake Michigan.
Read their history here:
http://burgerboat.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=8.
Once we had the schooner over in Sturgeon Bay at an old boat festival.
An old, very heavy gentleman had a big old Burger yacht, a steel
powerboat, and I was looking it over and chatting with him. He had run
down from another WI port, he said. I asked him what speed he'd run
at. "Oh, about 300 RPM," he said. His boat was powered by an old
Kahlenberg engine, another piece of Great Lakes lore, built in WI.
These were big diesels, wonderful things to behold, with low speeds and
mounds of torque. The Kahlenberg company now makes air horns, including
the one we have on the schooner.
Chris Campbell