Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo)

So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

I had the first and only Shumacher rudder built for the cal 9.2. This was a custom job done in SF by Water Rat. . The rudder is a vast improvement. I've been away from home for a few months, and may not be there until June. I still have the NACA drawings and profile of the rudder in my files there. If I can figure out how to get to the file (paper) maybe Foss could build. When I get to the office tomorrow, I could send a picture of it. Our stock rudder stalled badley creating lots of knock downs in SF. It finally broke in half out by the Farralone Islands. I cannot promise much, haven't been home since February. I wonder if Carls widow has access to his work? I also have a windowed lead keel re-drawn by Ron holland. We had this made by Mars metals. Similar shape, thinner(more lift?), and lower center of gravity. The pictures look ugly. I hate breakage! Sorry to see it happen. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri May 23 20:41:46 2008 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food <http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002> .

So Tim, was the rudder you had built elipitical ? Regards, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> I had the first and only Shumacher rudder built for the cal 9.2. This was a custom job done in SF by Water Rat. . The rudder is a vast improvement. I've been away from home for a few months, and may not be there until June. I still have the NACA drawings and profile of the rudder in my files there. If I can figure out how to get to the file (paper) maybe Foss could build. When I get to the office tomorrow, I could send a picture of it. Our stock rudder stalled badley creating lots of knock downs in SF. It finally broke in half out by the Farralone Islands. I cannot promise much, haven't been home since February. I wonder if Carls widow has access to his work? I also have a windowed lead keel re-drawn by Ron holland. We had this made by Mars metals. Similar shape, thinner(more lift?), and lower center of gravity. The pictures look ugly. I hate breakage! Sorry to see it happen. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri May 23 20:41:46 2008 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food <http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod00030000000002> .

Thanks Timm, any help will be greatly appreciated. AirTime is in the yard now, but I hope to Band-Aid the rudder to get me home from Ventura to Santa Barbara avoiding the $30.00 a day yard fees. Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ng… [at] comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Tim, was the rudder you had built elipitical ? Regards, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 -------------- Original message -------------- From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> I had the first and only Shumacher rudder built for the cal 9.2. This was a custom job done in SF by Water Rat. . The rudder is a vast improvement. I've been away from home for a few months, and may not be there until June. I still have the NACA drawings and profile of the rudder in my files there. If I can figure out how to get to the file (paper) maybe Foss could build. When I get to the office tomorrow, I could send a picture of it. Our stock rudder stalled badley creating lots of knock downs in SF. It finally broke in half out by the Farralone Islands. I cannot promise much, haven't been home since February. I wonder if Carls widow has access to his work? I also have a windowed lead keel re-drawn by Ron holland. We had this made by Mars metals. Similar shape, thinner(more lift?), and lower center of gravity. The pictures look ugly. I hate breakage! Sorry to see it happen. Cheers, BR>Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri May 23 20:41:46 2008 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara ________________________________ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food < http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod00030000000002 <http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002> > .

Back in 2000, you can see how the price changed as we got more people to buy a run of rudders. This was the Cal 40 rudder effort. We sold 25 initially, and I've heard of many more since. Foss adopted the rudder shape, and now it is a "stock" plug for many boats. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:58 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Freewind Schumacher replacement) From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ng… [at] comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Tim, was the rudder you had built elipitical ? Regards, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 -------------- Original message -------------- From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> I had the first and only Shumacher rudder built for the cal 9.2. This was a custom job done in SF by Water Rat. . The rudder is a vast improvement. I've been away from home for a few months, and may not be there until June. I still have the NACA drawings and profile of the rudder in my files there. If I can figure out how to get to the file (paper) maybe Foss could build. When I get to the office tomorrow, I could send a picture of it. Our stock rudder stalled badley creating lots of knock downs in SF. It finally broke in half out by the Farralone Islands. I cannot promise much, haven't been home since February. I wonder if Carls widow has access to his work? I also have a windowed lead keel re-drawn by Ron holland. We had this made by Mars metals. Similar shape, thinner(more lift?), and lower center of gravity. The pictures look ugly. I hate breakage! Sorry to see it happen. Cheers, BR>Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri May 23 20:41:46 2008 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara ________________________________ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food < http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod00030000000002 <http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002> > .

Yes From: ng… [at] comcast.net To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: May 24, 2008 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Tim, was the rudder you had built elipitical ? Regards, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 -------------- Original message -------------- From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> I had the first and only Shumacher rudder built for the cal 9.2. This was a custom job done in SF by Water Rat. . The rudder is a vast improvement. I've been away from home for a few months, and may not be there until June. I still have the NACA drawings and profile of the rudder in my files there. If I can figure out how to get to the file (paper) maybe Foss could build. When I get to the office tomorrow, I could send a picture of it. Our stock rudder stalled badley creating lots of knock downs in SF. It finally broke in half out by the Farralone Islands. I cannot promise much, haven't been home since February. I wonder if Carls widow has access to his work? I also have a windowed lead keel re-drawn by Ron holland. We had this made by Mars metals. Similar shape, thinner(more lift?), and lower center of gravity. The pictures look ugly. I hate breakage! Sorry to see it happen. Cheers, BR>Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri May 23 20:41:46 2008 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 9.2 Broken Rudder(Timmo) So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and ------Original Message Truncated------ Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019

Dan, Funny you say that, I've been waiting on a new rudder from Foss. My 29 rudder was full of water, and I watched it and limped from season to season, but this winter was the killer. We finally had real winter and the rudder was toast. Hey, it's only money. I gotta call them Tuesday to see where we are, I need my boat in the water. Regards, Dave Dobbs ai… [at] aol.com wrote: So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara --------------------------------- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

I took mine home to repose in the warmish basement all winter... Marsh david dobbs wrote: > Dan, > Funny you say that, I've been waiting on a new rudder from Foss. My > 29 rudder was full of water, and I watched it and limped from season > to season, but this winter was the killer. We finally had real winter > and the rudder was toast. Hey, it's only money. I gotta call them > Tuesday to see where we are, I need my boat in the water. > > Regards, > Dave Dobbs > > > > */ai… [at] aol.com/* wrote: > > So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I > guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now > demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady > Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. > While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie > Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . > After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one > windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes > through you will see the failure of the welds. > So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed > rudder again. > I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your > name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His > recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. > Thanks in advance > > Daniel Casey > "AirTime" > Cal 9.2R #75 > Santa Barbara > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler > Florence" on AOL Food > <http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002>. > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

Marsh, Take mine home with you next winter. If you can fit in the lazerette and still be able to move to disassemble it. Originally tiller steered, converted to a wheel. David Dobbs Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: I took mine home to repose in the warmish basement all winter... Marsh david dobbs wrote: Dan, Funny you say that, I've been waiting on a new rudder from Foss. My 29 rudder was full of water, and I watched it and limped from season to season, but this winter was the killer. We finally had real winter and the rudder was toast. Hey, it's only money. I gotta call them Tuesday to see where we are, I need my boat in the water. Regards, Dave Dobbs ai… [at] aol.com wrote: So Mariposa and AirTime are sitting side by side in the yard and I guess the 2 gals started talking and low and behold Airtime is now demanding I spend some more time and money on her (So is my lady Catherine) to the extent of a rudder living on borrowed time. While the machinist was fitting a new rudder bearing David Wilkie Owen thought he saw the shaft move slightly inside the rudder . After investigating the movement I found the rudder was just one windy day from catastrophic failure. If the attachment comes through you will see the failure of the welds. So Timm, can you tell me more about your new Schumacher designed rudder again. I talked with Foss Foam today, and they certainly remember your name and the Cal 40 rudder but not the 9.2 rudder per se. His recollection is of modifying the Cal 40 rudder to fit the 9.2. Thanks in advance Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara --------------------------------- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!