Handling spinnaker rolling

I'm not sure what you mean by roll, but if you are not in severe winds or seas, it should be possible to get the spinnaker in balance with the boat. For starters as the wind is lighter we tend to carry the pole higher, making the "Beetle back" shape as High up the spinnaker as possible. Sometimes sailors call this matching the clews, the spinnaker should be flying squarely, ie matching clew heights with the center seam hanging dickular, vertical. In moderate conditions one trim note is to make sure the leading edge of the spinnaker comes straight up off the tip of the spinnaker pole. If it is beyond the pole, you are in round down position, and if it is inside the pole you are in round up position. As wind increases, always avoid the round down position. Next try starting with the pole 90 degrees to the apparent wind and keeping the boom in a straight line with the boom. You should notice that if you over tighten the sheet, the boat tends to round up, and if you loosen the sheet, the boat tends to wobble, and round down. This is why when you start to round up, loosen the sheet, and if you start to round down, tighten the sheet. As the winds or seas start to perk up, we typically make sure to have the outgrabber http://tinyurl.com/42kggasecured <http://tinyurl.com/42kggasecured> to the sheet, and twingers to keep the kite from oscillating. In more difficult conditions we keep the kite slightly over sheeted, to make sure we round up. The trimmer mans the sheet so he can feed out a foot or so of sheet, if the helmsman starts to get into trouble. If you round down, the least of your worries is breaking the spinnaker pole, often the mast goes too. If you have the main prevented, the you will experience the famous "death roll" where the prevented main drives the boat over farther maybe until 180 inverted. a death roll picture. DEATH ROLL (My crew member Andy, under the GG Bridge) OUTGRABBER ON STAN AND SALLY HONEY'S CAL 40 ILLUSION With the sheet just a tad oversheeted, it is up to the driver to weave the course using the waves to try and get surfs and vary the wind angle just enough to sail either side of the optimum wind angle to maintain control and keep the boat on it's feet. Some boats tend to go bow down with the spinnaker up, if you notice the bow dipping a fair amount, typically just before a surf, or in a puff, you might consider moving the crew as far aft as possible. So like skipping a stone, creating a better angle with the boat bow for the boat to lift and accelerate, verses digging a hole, stalling the rudder, and then crashing. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Downing, Thomas Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Handling spinnaker rolling I was out yesterday (on an Atlantic 30, not a Cal 2-27), we were running about 15 degrees off a dead run with the chute up - and ran into a lot of that nasty induced rolling. At one point we seemed headed for disaster (the boom dug in last roll, and we were just coming up from a roll that nearly had the spin pole in) when we were saved when the spin halyard somehow popped out of the cleat. We hauled it back up without it getting in the water, and it certainly did stop the rolling; but there's got to be a better way! We had been playing with tweekers and pole, but nothing seemed to help. So, any suggestions as to how to control roll without giving up boat speed? thanks td

Dear Group, Lori Jones called me this morning with the not unexpected news that Roger has passed away. Roger asked her, in his final hours, to make sure that all of the Cal list knew how much he cared about us and to encourage us to be kind to each other and enjoy our sailing and the list. He said that in the end, that was what was important. Roger and Lori wanted to thank all of you for the nice remembrances and testimonials that were sent to the Cal List. Roger was too weak to sit at the computer, but Lori printed out the various emails and read them to him. She said that Roger was in terrible pain, but he had the biggest smile on his face to receive the various acknowledgements that he had been a help and encouragement to so many of us. He appreciated the responses. They meant a lot to him. I think it¹s wonderful that we have had an opportunity to honor a dear friend while he was still with us to experience our great appreciation of him. Roger spoke through Lori of his great passion for the Sierra Nevada Community Sailing program and he asked that those who spoke of donations should please help with this program, which benefits young people and promotes sailing. You can visit the web site at: http://www.nvsailing.org/ As we can only imagine, this is a tragic day for Lori. Roger spoke so lovingly of her in his posts and private conversations. She said they had a special love for 25 years, but he was in such pain. Lori also spoke of Roger and Jack Jensen being united on the other side. It¹s a wonderful hope and a beautiful image. I will cherish it. Lori would like today to herself, but said she will try to answer future emails or calls from those who wish. She also expressed a willingness to assist anybody who had a desire to compile or archive posts and information from Roger. If any of you would like to send a card or note, or have difficulty making a donation to Sierra Nevada Community Sailing, please feel free to email me off-list and I will assist out in those efforts. Sorrowful Regards, David ³Wilkie² Owen

On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:00 AM, David Wilkie Owen wrote: > > Fair Winds, Roger. It was a privilege to have made your acquaintance. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis

RIP, Rog Ensenada 07 was a very rich experience (despite lack of wind) for Rog's presence. I thought there would be several more, at least. He was to have joined us this weekend at Catalina. We'll smoke a cigar, and tell jokes and stories-he'll be there in spirit. Mike Kennedy Jr. Conquest Cal 40 #96 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, David Wilkie Owen <wilkie@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > Lori Jones called me this morning with the not unexpected news that Roger > has passed away. Roger asked her, in his final hours, to make sure that all > of the Cal list knew how much he cared about us and to encourage us to be > kind to each other and enjoy our sailing and the list. He said that in the > end, that was what was important. > > Roger and Lori wanted to thank all of you for the nice remembrances and > testimonials that were sent to the Cal List. Roger was too weak to sit at > the computer, but Lori printed out the various emails and read them to him. > She said that Roger was in terrible pain, but he had the biggest smile on > his face to receive the various acknowledgements that he had been a help and > encouragement to so many of us. He appreciated the responses. They meant a > lot to him. I think it¹s wonderful that we have had an opportunity to honor > a dear friend while he was still with us to experience our great > appreciation of him. > > Roger spoke through Lori of his great passion for the Sierra Nevada > Community Sailing program and he asked that those who spoke of donations > should please help with this program, which benefits young people and > promotes sailing. You can visit the web site at: http://www.nvsailing.org/ > > As we can only imagine, this is a tragic day for Lori. Roger spoke so > lovingly of her in his posts and private conversations. She said they had a > special love for 25 years, but he was in such pain. Lori also spoke of > Roger and Jack Jensen being united on the other side. It¹s a wonderful hope > and a beautiful image. I will cherish it. > > Lori would like today to herself, but said she will try to answer future > emails or calls from those who wish. She also expressed a willingness to > assist anybody who had a desire to compile or archive posts and information > from Roger. > > If any of you would like to send a card or note, or have difficulty making a > donation to Sierra Nevada Community Sailing, please feel free to email me > off-list and I will assist out in those efforts. > > Sorrowful Regards, > > David ³Wilkie² Owen >

Every day draws to an end, no matter how perfect, bright and wonderful. With heavy heart, mist in my eyes, and warm memories, I bade you farewell, my dear dear friend. Aloha Roger! <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/ msgId=12119/stime=1212426070/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848627/nc3=4507179>

David, I particularly will always remember Roger for, not only what he did for sailing our boats but what he did for me, when most people would of crawled in hole and never take step on a boat again. Roger helped me off list on my boat but he also helped me get through the time I was swept overboard, found by search and rescue and allowed me to talk it out with the rest of the people who mattered to us both, this list. He gave us respect and gave us life. This seems to have been a hard year on the sailing community. We have lost 4 people locally and now another near and dear to our hearts. Roger will always be remembered with the happiest of thoughts and the utmost respect. My deepest sincerity and best wishes for family and friends. Randy CAL 2-29, # 512 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. David Wilkie Owen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> wrote: Dear Group, Lori Jones called me this morning with the not unexpected news that Roger has passed away. Roger asked her, in his final hours, to make sure that all of the Cal list knew how much he cared about us and to encourage us to be kind to each other and enjoy our sailing and the list. He said that in the end, that was what was important. Roger and Lori wanted to thank all of you for the nice remembrances and testimonials that were sent to the Cal List. Roger was too weak to sit at the computer, but Lori printed out the various emails and read them to him. She said that Roger was in terrible pain, but he had the biggest smile on his face to receive the various acknowledgements that he had been a help and encouragement to so many of us. He appreciated the responses. They meant a lot to him. I think it’s wonderful that we have had an opportunity to honor a dear friend while he was still with us to experience our great appreciation of him. Roger spoke through Lori of his great passion for the Sierra Nevada Community Sailing program and he asked that those who spoke of donations should please help with this program, which benefits young people and promotes sailing. You can visit the web site at: http://www.nvsailing.org/ As we can only imagine, this is a tragic day for Lori. Roger spoke so lovingly of her in his posts and private conversations. She said they had a special love for 25 years, but he was in such pain. Lori also spoke of Roger and Jack Jensen being united on the other side. It’s a wonderful hope and a beautiful image. I will cherish it. Lori would like today to herself, but said she will try to answer future emails or calls from those who wish. She also expressed a willingness to assist anybody who had a desire to compile or archive posts and information from Roger. If any of you would like to send a card or note, or have difficulty making a donation to Sierra Nevada Community Sailing, please feel free to email me off-list and I will assist out in those efforts. Sorrowful Regards, David “Wilkie” Owen

Thanks for the response. By "spinnaker roll" I was referring to the situation where the boat begins to roll, with the roll angle increasing with each oscillation - something to do with apparent wind changes during the roll accelerating the roll, as I understand it. During these roll events, there is no marked tendency to round up or down. We had the "beetle" quite high, with the shoulders well filled out, no luffing. Hauling the tweekers brought the beetle down, but it did not affect the rolling. I'm not experienced with Atlantic 30's, but while keelboats, they sail a lot more like dinghys. Some of the skippers in this fleet are Nationals winners - so I figure they know something. I notice that spin techniques are a bit different on these boats. Nobody sails with the clews at the same height - the pole end is always a bit higher. Also, the pole is kept forward of 90 to the apparent, and the outboard end is carried much higher than the mast end. Lastly, the the edge of the spinnaker is set so that it goes up slightly outside of the pole tip. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 8:51 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Handling spinnaker rolling I'm not sure what you mean by roll, but if you are not in severe winds or seas, it should be possible to get the spinnaker in balance with the boat. For starters as the wind is lighter we tend to carry the pole higher, making the "Beetle back" shape as High up the spinnaker as possible. Sometimes sailors call this matching the clews, the spinnaker should be flying squarely, ie matching clew heights with the center seam hanging dickular, vertical. In moderate conditions one trim note is to make sure the leading edge of the spinnaker comes straight up off the tip of the spinnaker pole. If it is beyond the pole, you are in round down position, and if it is inside the pole you are in round up position. As wind increases, always avoid the round down position. Next try starting with the pole 90 degrees to the apparent wind and keeping the boom in a straight line with the boom. You should notice that if you over tighten the sheet, the boat tends to round up, and if you loosen the sheet, the boat tends to wobble, and round down. This is why when you start to round up, loosen the sheet, and if you start to round down, tighten the sheet. As the winds or seas start to perk up, we typically make sure to have the outgrabber http://tinyurl.com/42kggasecured <http://tinyurl.com/42kggasecured> to the sheet, and twingers to keep the kite from oscillating. In more difficult conditions we keep the kite slightly over sheeted, to make sure we round up. The trimmer mans the sheet so he can feed out a foot or so of sheet, if the helmsman starts to get into trouble. If you round down, the least of your worries is breaking the spinnaker pole, often the mast goes too. If you have the main prevented, the you will experience the famous "death roll" where the prevented main drives the boat over farther maybe until 180 inverted. a death roll picture. DEATH ROLL (My crew member Andy, under the GG Bridge) OUTGRABBER ON STAN AND SALLY HONEY'S CAL 40 ILLUSION With the sheet just a tad oversheeted, it is up to the driver to weave the course using the waves to try and get surfs and vary the wind angle just enough to sail either side of the optimum wind angle to maintain control and keep the boat on it's feet. Some boats tend to go bow down with the spinnaker up, if you notice the bow dipping a fair amount, typically just before a surf, or in a puff, you might consider moving the crew as far aft as possible. So like skipping a stone, creating a better angle with the boat bow for the boat to lift and accelerate, verses digging a hole, stalling the rudder, and then crashing. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Downing, Thomas Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Handling spinnaker rolling I was out yesterday (on an Atlantic 30, not a Cal 2-27), we were running about 15 degrees off a dead run with the chute up - and ran into a lot of that nasty induced rolling. At one point we seemed headed for disaster (the boom dug in last roll, and we were just coming up from a roll that nearly had the spin pole in) when we were saved when the spin halyard somehow popped out of the cleat. We hauled it back up without it getting in the water, and it certainly did stop the rolling; but there's got to be a better way! We had been playing with tweekers and pole, but nothing seemed to help. 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David Wilkie Owen wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > Lori Jones called me this morning with the not unexpected news that > Roger has passed away. Roger asked her, in his final hours, to make > sure that all of the Cal list knew how much he cared about us and to > encourage us to be kind to each other and enjoy our sailing and the > list. He said that in the end, that was what was important. > I have been out of my office for quite a while and missed the initial post about Rog's decline and then death. This will be late but no less deeply felt. It is interesting how some people can generate affection by typing things onto their computer (and by their actions consistent with their words). Those of us who have been on the list a long time will remember Rog's Cal history project, one part of which was getting us copies of the plans for our boats, signed by Bill Lapworth. This turned into a larger undertaking than he had anticipated, for a variety of reasons, but he saw it through to a finish and I have my copies thanks to him. I was another one who received off-list correspondence from Rog, answering a technical question or clearing up something I misunderstood. Those who knew him better can address this, but it's my understanding that he took on a variety of foster kids, troubled young people who needed some guidance. Boats can be frustrating, but fixing up damaged kids is a much larger project and one that ought to earn lots of gratitude. Rog was one of those people who taught (by example) that you almost never go wrong with generosity. Chris Campbell > >