Cal 29 Voyage Planning

This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage or has some good advice. I've never made an extensive trip in a sailboat but am not a novice sailor. I'm a Coast Guard deck watch officer, driving CG patrol boats, and have been living on my Cal for a year or so & sailing around Puget Sound. My gear includes: main, 130 Genoa, spinnaker & jib, gps (chartplotter w/blue chart), radar (circa 1980), atomic 4 engine w/20 gal. tank, speed/depth/wind meters, vhf, brunce anchor w/ elec. windlass. I plan to purchase a raymarine tiller pilot soon. I have the Coast Pilot & will probably pickup a cruising guide like SF to Ensenada (Fagan). So far my plan is to sail with 3 aboard following the coastline at approx. 5-10 miles from shore. I don't intend to cross many bars along the WA/OR coasts but will probably pull in every 3 days or so to stop at marinas for showers & fuel. I'm hoping to make the voyage in about 2 weeks w/very brief stops unless the weather turns bad; I've heard good things about Grays Harbor & Newport. As I understand, the typical winds are northerly or northwesterly, so I'm heading the easy direction at least. I apologize for the lengthy post, but I thought it would be easier to get good advice if I gave some background. Thanks for any info you have, Rob

My little bit of advice is to take your time. Don't make too rigid of a schedule or you'll get spanked by the weather. Also, a couple of places that are pretty easy to get in to are Coos Bay, OR and Brookings, OR which is where I have my boat. Nice facilities at both places. As it gets closer to your departure, e-mail me and I'll try and get over to Brookings and meet you if you pull in there. Tom Miller Windsong Cal 2-34 --- ltjgwyman <lt… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. > I'm planning a > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from > Puget Sound to Long > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here > has made the voyage > or has some good advice. I've never made an > extensive trip in a > sailboat but am not a novice sailor. I'm a Coast > Guard deck watch > officer, driving CG patrol boats, and have been > living on my Cal for a > year or so & sailing around Puget Sound. > > My gear includes: main, 130 Genoa, spinnaker & jib, > gps (chartplotter > w/blue chart), radar (circa 1980), atomic 4 engine > w/20 gal. tank, > speed/depth/wind meters, vhf, brunce anchor w/ elec. > windlass. I plan > to purchase a raymarine tiller pilot soon. > > I have the Coast Pilot & will probably pickup a > cruising guide like SF > to Ensenada (Fagan). > > So far my plan is to sail with 3 aboard following > the coastline at > approx. 5-10 miles from shore. I don't intend to > cross many bars > along the WA/OR coasts but will probably pull in > every 3 days or so to > stop at marinas for showers & fuel. I'm hoping to > make the voyage in > about 2 weeks w/very brief stops unless the weather > turns bad; I've > heard good things about Grays Harbor & Newport. > > As I understand, the typical winds are northerly or > northwesterly, so > I'm heading the easy direction at least. I > apologize for the lengthy > post, but I thought it would be easier to get good > advice if I gave > some background. > > Thanks for any info you have, > Rob > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Rob, Welcome to the list. I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Ri… [at] richardanderson.net . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage > or has some good advice.

I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka California. Summary of failures: 1. Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the engine head. (repairs and re-crew). 2. Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs and recrew). 3. Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re-crew. 4. At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and delivered to SF. This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, here's my approach: 1. Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA offshore checklists, Category 1. 2. Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to leaving, electrical charging etc. 3. Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours (each) with our laptop use and water making. 4. Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 days minimum. 5. Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have warm gear. 6. Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks (sugar makes you warm). 7. Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become dislodged. 8. You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if this happens. 9. Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your main tank gets contaminated. 10. Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. 11. Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. 12. Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. 13. Have charts of all ports of possible entry. 14. Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell range, you can get buoy weather reports. 15. Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. 16. Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate wind. 17. Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire distance, and take this tactic for routing. 18. Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots 19. Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. 20. I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the rocks. 21. Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after a big wave gets you. 22. Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to check-in, and get any other information available. 23. California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther out, less possibility) 24. If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually more wind is on the way. 25. If you get the big winds, you should have a very small headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. 26. Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, strobe light, and knife, 27. Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. 28. Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, is everything secure? 29. Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. 30. The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. 31. Have very warm Sleeping bags 32. Always stay cool, calm and collected. 33. If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come up with a sound plan. 34. Our boat saying is "Panic = death" Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list is much more exhaustive. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Haas Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning Rob, Welcome to the list. I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Ri… [at] richardanderson.net . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage or has some good advice.

Or you can ship it? After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long Beach as final location. Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so take it slow and safe. My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots of wind, and perfect storm waves. This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee shored in rounding. It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the compression and turning. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka California. Summary of failures: 1. Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the engine head. (repairs and re-crew). 2. Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs and recrew). 3. Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re-crew. 4. At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and delivered to SF. This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, here's my approach: 1. Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA offshore checklists, Category 1. 2. Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to leaving, electrical charging etc. 3. Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours (each) with our laptop use and water making. 4. Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 days minimum. 5. Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have warm gear. 6. Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks (sugar makes you warm). 7. Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become dislodged. 8. You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if this happens. 9. Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your main tank gets contaminated. 10. Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. 11. Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. 12. Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. 13. Have charts of all ports of possible entry. 14. Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell range, you can get buoy weather reports. 15. Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. 16. Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate wind. 17. Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire distance, and take this tactic for routing. 18. Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots 19. Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. 20. I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the rocks. 21. Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after a big wave gets you. 22. Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to check-in, and get any other information available. 23. California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther out, less possibility) 24. If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually more wind is on the way. 25. If you get the big winds, you should have a very small headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. 26. Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, strobe light, and knife, 27. Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. 28. Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, is everything secure? 29. Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. 30. The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. 31. Have very warm Sleeping bags 32. Always stay cool, calm and collected. 33. If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come up with a sound plan. 34. Our boat saying is "Panic = death" Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list is much more exhaustive. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Haas Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning Rob, Welcome to the list. I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Ri… [at] richardanderson.net . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage or has some good advice.

I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the results, as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see up to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that. Here's the trip table if you left right now: Mountain Daylight Time Crs°M Twd°M Tws Twa Targ Bsp Latitude Longitude MSLP Sig wave height 6/8/2008 16:09 267° 292° 3.1 (25°) 047° 2.3 48 09.755n 123 24.462w 1021.7 6/9/2008 3:30 267° 153° 5.6 -114° 143° 4.9 48 16.993n 124 06.273w 1017.7 4.5 6/9/2008 9:01 272° 137° 10.4 -135° 156° 5.8 48 26.721n 124 47.002w 1010.9 4.7 6/9/2008 14:22 194° 267° 31.4 73° 035° 7.4 47 57.507n 125 13.869w 1008.5 6.9 6/10/2008 0:39 161° 274° 28.7 113° 153° 10.7 46 10.069n 125 09.901w 1014.7 15.1 6/10/2008 0:39 343° 273° 28.8 -70° 035° 7 46 10.069n 125 09.901w 1014.7 15.1 6/10/2008 1:43 160° 280° 28.1 120° 153° 11.4 45 58.245n 125 09.010w 1016.1 15.7 6/10/2008 7:42 160° 270° 22.5 110° 146° 8.8 44 58.990n 125 04.531w 1020.5 15.3 6/10/2008 7:42 163° 272° 22 109° 146° 8.7 44 58.990n 125 04.531w 1020.5 15.3 6/10/2008 13:28 165° 295° 17.4 130° 159° 7.8 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 343° 296° 17.4 -48° 033° 5.8 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 163° 296° 17.4 132° 160° 7.8 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 343° 296° 17.4 -48° 033° 5.8 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 253° 296° 17.4 42° 033° 5.5 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 343° 296° 17.4 -48° 033° 5.8 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 163° 296° 17.4 132° 160° 7.8 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/10/2008 13:28 253° 296° 17.4 42° 033° 5.5 44 11.593n 125 06.405w 1026.2 14.2 6/11/2008 9:46 163° 334° 31.5 (171°) 151° 13.3 41 01.086n 124 59.642w 1024 11.5 6/11/2008 12:12 174° 338° 32.6 (164°) 149° 13.9 40 31.515n 125 06.230w 1022.8 12.5 6/11/2008 14:40 144° 335° 34.7 (-169°) 140° 15.1 40 03.635n 124 52.794w 1020.1 14.1 6/11/2008 17:03 122° 328° 33.1 (-153°) 147° 14.2 39 39.867n 124 23.929w 1016.7 14.2 6/11/2008 19:34 155° 327° 33.1 (172°) 147° 14.1 39 10.121n 124 17.482w 1014.9 13.1 6/11/2008 22:10 168° 329° 34.3 (161°) 143° 14.8 38 37.603n 124 19.521w 1013.9 14.2 6/12/2008 1:00 184° 335° 33.7 (150°) 145° 14.5 38 00.139n 124 36.123w 1013.6 17.1 6/12/2008 4:11 186° 339° 28.8 (153°) 153° 12 37 21.843n 124 54.251w 1013.1 17.6 6/12/2008 6:57 129° 339° 24.3 (-150°) 148° 10.1 36 57.465n 124 31.424w 1011.6 16.2 6/12/2008 10:28 129° 337° 18.7 (-152°) 152° 7.6 36 33.168n 124 08.985w 1011.1 14.3 6/12/2008 15:18 121° 334° 11.2 -146° 161° 5.6 36 10.736n 123 41.198w 1010.6 12.2 6/13/2008 0:23 115° 342° 3.5 -133° 139° 2.7 35 49.558n 123 09.663w 1010.9 9.3 6/13/2008 12:53 096° 179° 3.8 83° 046° 3.7 35 34.709n 122 20.661w 1012.8 6.8 6/13/2008 21:12 124° 242° 5.1 118° 142° 4.5 35 11.726n 121 54.956w 1013.9 5.7 6/14/2008 3:33 159° 271° 5.6 112° 143° 4.9 34 41.336n 121 50.340w 1014.2 5.5 6/14/2008 9:35 164° 288° 8.2 124° 149° 5.5 34 09.777n 121 48.922w 1014.2 5.6 6/14/2008 15:02 076° 285° 12.2 -152° 166° 5.7 34 09.873n 121 14.395w 1013.6 5 6/14/2008 20:18 097° 280° 15.4 (-177°) 169° 5.9 33 59.901n 120 41.938w 1012.9 4.9 6/15/2008 1:11 093° 280° 15.4 (-172°) 169° 5.8 33 52.149n 120 09.059w 1012.1 4.7 6/15/2008 6:17 072° 281° 9.7 -151° 154° 5.2 33 54.568n 119 34.174w 1011.3 4.3 6/15/2008 12:11 092° 245° 9.3 152° 152° 5 33 46.989n 119 01.340w 1010.7 4.2 6/15/2008 17:39 093° 238° 9.6 145° 153° 5.3 33 39.150n 118 28.599w 1009.9 4 Route distance 1114.53nm Optimal distance 1226.15nm Optimal route time 7d 01h 29m From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning Or you can ship it? After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long Beach as final location. Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so take it slow and safe. My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots of wind, and perfect storm waves. This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee shored in rounding. It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the compression and turning. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka California. Summary of failures: 1. Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the engine head. (repairs and re-crew). 2. Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs and recrew). 3. Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re-crew. 4. At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and delivered to SF. This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, here's my approach: 1. Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA offshore checklists, Category 1. 2. Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to leaving, electrical charging etc. 3. Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours (each) with our laptop use and water making. 4. Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 days minimum. 5. Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have warm gear. 6. Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks (sugar makes you warm). 7. Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become dislodged. 8. You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if this happens. 9. Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your main tank gets contaminated. 10. Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. 11. Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. 12. Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. 13. Have charts of all ports of possible entry. 14. Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell range, you can get buoy weather reports. 15. Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. 16. Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate wind. 17. Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire distance, and take this tactic for routing. 18. Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots 19. Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. 20. I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the rocks. 21. Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after a big wave gets you. 22. Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to check-in, and get any other information available. 23. California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther out, less possibility) 24. If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually more wind is on the way. 25. If you get the big winds, you should have a very small headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. 26. Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, strobe light, and knife, 27. Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. 28. Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, is everything secure? 29. Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. 30. The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. 31. Have very warm Sleeping bags 32. Always stay cool, calm and collected. 33. If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come up with a sound plan. 34. Our boat saying is "Panic = death" Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list is much more exhaustive. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Haas Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning Rob, Welcome to the list. I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Ri… [at] richardanderson.net . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage or has some good advice.

Thanks all for the feedback & advice. I may be able to make the Cal rendesvous in Edmonds - I'm in Brownsville (Bremerton), so it's not far. Any idea whether other kids will be there? I have a teenage son & daughter (14 & 17). I met someone from this group with a Cal 29 homeported in Tacoma last year (Memorial Day 07) in Quartermaster Harbor. He had two teenage kids too & I was singlehanding since my family was still in California. Any idea who they are or whether they are going? dEmO: I appreciate all of the details. There are several items on your list I've planned on & several I hadn't considered. Also, I'm not familiar with the routing software you ran - it looks interesting - I assume it takes current data from wx buoys along the route & you enter an expected speed. But it must either run wx predictions or assume you will hit all locations simulataneously. I'd like to know more about the program & whether anyone can get access. Regarding downwind sailing in >25 kt winds, I'd like to look at double headsail options w/mainsail down. I have a CDI roller furler with a 130% genoa & a 90% jib. Is there a way to run double headsails without a major equipment change? BTW: I was in Hood Canal today on a CG patrol boat and we were seeing 40 kt winds funneling from the south near Bangor. There were also a few sailboat distress calls from Whidby Island & Vashon that were being covered - I believe everything turned out ok. Between that & hail storms on my drive back from Bellingham, it's quite a summer in Puget Sound so far. Rob --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the results, as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see up to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that. > > Here's the trip table if you left right now: > > Mountain Daylight Time > Crs°M > Twd°M > Tws > Twa > Targ > Bsp > Latitude > Longitude > MSLP > Sig wave height > 6/8/2008 16:09 > 267° > 292° > 3.1 > (25°) > 047° > 2.3 > 48 09.755n > 123 24.462w > 1021.7 > > 6/9/2008 3:30 > 267° > 153° > 5.6 > -114° > 143° > 4.9 > 48 16.993n > 124 06.273w > 1017.7 > 4.5 > 6/9/2008 9:01 > 272° > 137° > 10.4 > -135° > 156° > 5.8 > 48 26.721n > 124 47.002w > 1010.9 > 4.7 > 6/9/2008 14:22 > 194° > 267° > 31.4 > 73° > 035° > 7.4 > 47 57.507n > 125 13.869w > 1008.5 > 6.9 > 6/10/2008 0:39 > 161° > 274° > 28.7 > 113° > 153° > 10.7 > 46 10.069n > 125 09.901w > 1014.7 > 15.1 > 6/10/2008 0:39 > 343° > 273° > 28.8 > -70° > 035° > 7 > 46 10.069n > 125 09.901w > 1014.7 > 15.1 > 6/10/2008 1:43 > 160° > 280° > 28.1 > 120° > 153° > 11.4 > 45 58.245n > 125 09.010w > 1016.1 > 15.7 > 6/10/2008 7:42 > 160° > 270° > 22.5 > 110° > 146° > 8.8 > 44 58.990n > 125 04.531w > 1020.5 > 15.3 > 6/10/2008 7:42 > 163° > 272° > 22 > 109° > 146° > 8.7 > 44 58.990n > 125 04.531w > 1020.5 > 15.3 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 165° > 295° > 17.4 > 130° > 159° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 163° > 296° > 17.4 > 132° > 160° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 253° > 296° > 17.4 > 42° > 033° > 5.5 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 163° > 296° > 17.4 > 132° > 160° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 253° > 296° > 17.4 > 42° > 033° > 5.5 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/11/2008 9:46 > 163° > 334° > 31.5 > (171°) > 151° > 13.3 > 41 01.086n > 124 59.642w > 1024 > 11.5 > 6/11/2008 12:12 > 174° > 338° > 32.6 > (164°) > 149° > 13.9 > 40 31.515n > 125 06.230w > 1022.8 > 12.5 > 6/11/2008 14:40 > 144° > 335° > 34.7 > (-169°) > 140° > 15.1 > 40 03.635n > 124 52.794w > 1020.1 > 14.1 > 6/11/2008 17:03 > 122° > 328° > 33.1 > (-153°) > 147° > 14.2 > 39 39.867n > 124 23.929w > 1016.7 > 14.2 > 6/11/2008 19:34 > 155° > 327° > 33.1 > (172°) > 147° > 14.1 > 39 10.121n > 124 17.482w > 1014.9 > 13.1 > 6/11/2008 22:10 > 168° > 329° > 34.3 > (161°) > 143° > 14.8 > 38 37.603n > 124 19.521w > 1013.9 > 14.2 > 6/12/2008 1:00 > 184° > 335° > 33.7 > (150°) > 145° > 14.5 > 38 00.139n > 124 36.123w > 1013.6 > 17.1 > 6/12/2008 4:11 > 186° > 339° > 28.8 > (153°) > 153° > 12 > 37 21.843n > 124 54.251w > 1013.1 > 17.6 > 6/12/2008 6:57 > 129° > 339° > 24.3 > (-150°) > 148° > 10.1 > 36 57.465n > 124 31.424w > 1011.6 > 16.2 > 6/12/2008 10:28 > 129° > 337° > 18.7 > (-152°) > 152° > 7.6 > 36 33.168n > 124 08.985w > 1011.1 > 14.3 > 6/12/2008 15:18 > 121° > 334° > 11.2 > -146° > 161° > 5.6 > 36 10.736n > 123 41.198w > 1010.6 > 12.2 > 6/13/2008 0:23 > 115° > 342° > 3.5 > -133° > 139° > 2.7 > 35 49.558n > 123 09.663w > 1010.9 > 9.3 > 6/13/2008 12:53 > 096° > 179° > 3.8 > 83° > 046° > 3.7 > 35 34.709n > 122 20.661w > 1012.8 > 6.8 > 6/13/2008 21:12 > 124° > 242° > 5.1 > 118° > 142° > 4.5 > 35 11.726n > 121 54.956w > 1013.9 > 5.7 > 6/14/2008 3:33 > 159° > 271° > 5.6 > 112° > 143° > 4.9 > 34 41.336n > 121 50.340w > 1014.2 > 5.5 > 6/14/2008 9:35 > 164° > 288° > 8.2 > 124° > 149° > 5.5 > 34 09.777n > 121 48.922w > 1014.2 > 5.6 > 6/14/2008 15:02 > 076° > 285° > 12.2 > -152° > 166° > 5.7 > 34 09.873n > 121 14.395w > 1013.6 > 5 > 6/14/2008 20:18 > 097° > 280° > 15.4 > (-177°) > 169° > 5.9 > 33 59.901n > 120 41.938w > 1012.9 > 4.9 > 6/15/2008 1:11 > 093° > 280° > 15.4 > (-172°) > 169° > 5.8 > 33 52.149n > 120 09.059w > 1012.1 > 4.7 > 6/15/2008 6:17 > 072° > 281° > 9.7 > -151° > 154° > 5.2 > 33 54.568n > 119 34.174w > 1011.3 > 4.3 > 6/15/2008 12:11 > 092° > 245° > 9.3 > 152° > 152° > 5 > 33 46.989n > 119 01.340w > 1010.7 > 4.2 > 6/15/2008 17:39 > 093° > 238° > 9.6 > 145° > 153° > 5.3 > 33 39.150n > 118 28.599w > 1009.9 > 4 > Route distance > 1114.53nm > > > > > > > > > > Optimal distance > 1226.15nm > > > > > > > > > > Optimal route time > 7d 01h 29m > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > Or you can ship it? > > After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long Beach as final location. > > Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. > > This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so take it slow and safe. > > My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots of wind, and perfect storm waves. > > This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee shored in rounding. > > It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. > > today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the compression and turning. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka California. Summary of failures: > > > 1. > Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the engine head. (repairs and re-crew). > 2. > Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs and recrew). > 3. > Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re- crew. > 4. > At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and delivered to SF. > > This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, here's my approach: > > > 1. > Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA offshore checklists, Category 1. > 2. > Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to leaving, electrical charging etc. > 3. > Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours (each) with our laptop use and water making. > 4. > Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 days minimum. > 5. > Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have warm gear. > 6. > Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks (sugar makes you warm). > 7. > Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become dislodged. > 8. > You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if this happens. > 9. > Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your main tank gets contaminated. > 10. > Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. > 11. > Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. > 12. > Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. > 13. > Have charts of all ports of possible entry. > 14. > Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell range, you can get buoy weather reports. > 15. > Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. > 16. > Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate wind. > 17. > Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire distance, and take this tactic for routing. > 18. > Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots > 19. > Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. > 20. > I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the rocks. > 21. > Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after a big wave gets you. > 22. > Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to check-in, and get any other information available. > 23. > California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther out, less possibility) > 24. > If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually more wind is on the way. > 25. > If you get the big winds, you should have a very small headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. > 26. > Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, strobe light, and knife, > 27. > Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. > 28. > Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, is everything secure? > 29. > Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. > 30. > The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. > 31. > Have very warm Sleeping bags > 32. > Always stay cool, calm and collected. > 33. > If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come up with a sound plan. > 34. > Our boat saying is "Panic = death" > > Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list is much more exhaustive. > > Cheers, > > dEmO > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Haas > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > Rob, > Welcome to the list. > I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. > All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. > I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Richard@... . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: > > > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage > or has some good advice. >

The routing program is Expedition by Nick White. It gets GRIB files via internet or email. Does routing, displays AIS positions, GRIB files and overlays radar onto your chart, via laptop. We have a SSB with a Pactor3 modem to get files offshore. I can also get them via my blackberry, with special software when we are in cell phone range. Dial a buoy is a service by NOAA, I believe.. it is a recorded message. We can also download via SSB the Weather Faxes (point Reyes) and satellite shots with the Pactor3. Sailmail is the system we connect to email with. Not a cheap system - but if you are "out there" enough, worth the peace of mind. SSB @ $3000 Antenna tuner @ $500 SCS PActor3 USB @ $1500 Laptop @ $600 Sailmail @ $250 per year Expedition @ $1300 AIS @ $380 You can try twin headsails, but once the winds get up, there really is no need, the helm will get very heavy, and if the wind is typical, then the windward sail will have to be poled out, and will often collapse, slamming the sail, and compressing the pole into your mast.. a big collapse, can buckle the mast. But these are issues you'll have to consider once you are out there in the actual condition. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ltjgwyman Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:58 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 Voyage Planning Thanks all for the feedback & advice. I may be able to make the Cal rendesvous in Edmonds - I'm in Brownsville (Bremerton), so it's not far. Any idea whether other kids will be there? I have a teenage son & daughter (14 & 17). I met someone from this group with a Cal 29 homeported in Tacoma last year (Memorial Day 07) in Quartermaster Harbor. He had two teenage kids too & I was singlehanding since my family was still in California. Any idea who they are or whether they are going? dEmO: I appreciate all of the details. There are several items on your list I've planned on & several I hadn't considered. Also, I'm not familiar with the routing software you ran - it looks interesting - I assume it takes current data from wx buoys along the route & you enter an expected speed. But it must either run wx predictions or assume you will hit all locations simulataneously. I'd like to know more about the program & whether anyone can get access. Regarding downwind sailing in >25 kt winds, I'd like to look at double headsail options w/mainsail down. I have a CDI roller furler with a 130% genoa & a 90% jib. Is there a way to run double headsails without a major equipment change? BTW: I was in Hood Canal today on a CG patrol boat and we were seeing 40 kt winds funneling from the south near Bangor. There were also a few sailboat distress calls from Whidby Island & Vashon that were being covered - I believe everything turned out ok. Between that & hail storms on my drive back from Bellingham, it's quite a summer in Puget Sound so far. Rob --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the results, as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see up to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that. > > Here's the trip table if you left right now: > > Mountain Daylight Time > Crs°M > Twd°M > Tws > Twa > Targ > Bsp > Latitude > Longitude > MSLP > Sig wave height > 6/8/2008 16:09 > 267° > 292° > 3.1 > (25°) > 047° > 2.3 > 48 09.755n > 123 24.462w > 1021.7 > > 6/9/2008 3:30 > 267° > 153° > 5.6 > -114° > 143° > 4.9 > 48 16.993n > 124 06.273w > 1017.7 > 4.5 > 6/9/2008 9:01 > 272° > 137° > 10.4 > -135° > 156° > 5.8 > 48 26.721n > 124 47.002w > 1010.9 > 4.7 > 6/9/2008 14:22 > 194° > 267° > 31.4 > 73° > 035° > 7.4 > 47 57.507n > 125 13.869w > 1008.5 > 6.9 > 6/10/2008 0:39 > 161° > 274° > 28.7 > 113° > 153° > 10.7 > 46 10.069n > 125 09.901w > 1014.7 > 15.1 > 6/10/2008 0:39 > 343° > 273° > 28.8 > -70° > 035° > 7 > 46 10.069n > 125 09.901w > 1014.7 > 15.1 > 6/10/2008 1:43 > 160° > 280° > 28.1 > 120° > 153° > 11.4 > 45 58.245n > 125 09.010w > 1016.1 > 15.7 > 6/10/2008 7:42 > 160° > 270° > 22.5 > 110° > 146° > 8.8 > 44 58.990n > 125 04.531w > 1020.5 > 15.3 > 6/10/2008 7:42 > 163° > 272° > 22 > 109° > 146° > 8.7 > 44 58.990n > 125 04.531w > 1020.5 > 15.3 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 165° > 295° > 17.4 > 130° > 159° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 163° > 296° > 17.4 > 132° > 160° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 253° > 296° > 17.4 > 42° > 033° > 5.5 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 163° > 296° > 17.4 > 132° > 160° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 253° > 296° > 17.4 > 42° > 033° > 5.5 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/11/2008 9:46 > 163° > 334° > 31.5 > (171°) > 151° > 13.3 > 41 01.086n > 124 59.642w > 1024 > 11.5 > 6/11/2008 12:12 > 174° > 338° > 32.6 > (164°) > 149° > 13.9 > 40 31.515n > 125 06.230w > 1022.8 > 12.5 > 6/11/2008 14:40 > 144° > 335° > 34.7 > (-169°) > 140° > 15.1 > 40 03.635n > 124 52.794w > 1020.1 > 14.1 > 6/11/2008 17:03 > 122° > 328° > 33.1 > (-153°) > 147° > 14.2 > 39 39.867n > 124 23.929w > 1016.7 > 14.2 > 6/11/2008 19:34 > 155° > 327° > 33.1 > (172°) > 147° > 14.1 > 39 10.121n > 124 17.482w > 1014.9 > 13.1 > 6/11/2008 22:10 > 168° > 329° > 34.3 > (161°) > 143° > 14.8 > 38 37.603n > 124 19.521w > 1013.9 > 14.2 > 6/12/2008 1:00 > 184° > 335° > 33.7 > (150°) > 145° > 14.5 > 38 00.139n > 124 36.123w > 1013.6 > 17.1 > 6/12/2008 4:11 > 186° > 339° > 28.8 > (153°) > 153° > 12 > 37 21.843n > 124 54.251w > 1013.1 > 17.6 > 6/12/2008 6:57 > 129° > 339° > 24.3 > (-150°) > 148° > 10.1 > 36 57.465n > 124 31.424w > 1011.6 > 16.2 > 6/12/2008 10:28 > 129° > 337° > 18.7 > (-152°) > 152° > 7.6 > 36 33.168n > 124 08.985w > 1011.1 > 14.3 > 6/12/2008 15:18 > 121° > 334° > 11.2 > -146° > 161° > 5.6 > 36 10.736n > 123 41.198w > 1010.6 > 12.2 > 6/13/2008 0:23 > 115° > 342° > 3.5 > -133° > 139° > 2.7 > 35 49.558n > 123 09.663w > 1010.9 > 9.3 > 6/13/2008 12:53 > 096° > 179° > 3.8 > 83° > 046° > 3.7 > 35 34.709n > 122 20.661w > 1012.8 > 6.8 > 6/13/2008 21:12 > 124° > 242° > 5.1 > 118° > 142° > 4.5 > 35 11.726n > 121 54.956w > 1013.9 > 5.7 > 6/14/2008 3:33 > 159° > 271° > 5.6 > 112° > 143° > 4.9 > 34 41.336n > 121 50.340w > 1014.2 > 5.5 > 6/14/2008 9:35 > 164° > 288° > 8.2 > 124° > 149° > 5.5 > 34 09.777n > 121 48.922w > 1014.2 > 5.6 > 6/14/2008 15:02 > 076° > 285° > 12.2 > -152° > 166° > 5.7 > 34 09.873n > 121 14.395w > 1013.6 > 5 > 6/14/2008 20:18 > 097° > 280° > 15.4 > (-177°) > 169° > 5.9 > 33 59.901n > 120 41.938w > 1012.9 > 4.9 > 6/15/2008 1:11 > 093° > 280° > 15.4 > (-172°) > 169° > 5.8 > 33 52.149n > 120 09.059w > 1012.1 > 4.7 > 6/15/2008 6:17 > 072° > 281° > 9.7 > -151° > 154° > 5.2 > 33 54.568n > 119 34.174w > 1011.3 > 4.3 > 6/15/2008 12:11 > 092° > 245° > 9.3 > 152° > 152° > 5 > 33 46.989n > 119 01.340w > 1010.7 > 4.2 > 6/15/2008 17:39 > 093° > 238° > 9.6 > 145° > 153° > 5.3 > 33 39.150n > 118 28.599w > 1009.9 > 4 > Route distance > 1114.53nm > > > > > > > > > > Optimal distance > 1226.15nm > > > > > > > > > > Optimal route time > 7d 01h 29m > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > Or you can ship it? > > After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long Beach as final location. > > Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. > > This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so take it slow and safe. > > My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots of wind, and perfect storm waves. > > This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee shored in rounding. > > It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. > > today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the compression and turning. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka California. Summary of failures: > > > 1. > Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the engine head. (repairs and re-crew). > 2. > Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs and recrew). > 3. > Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re- crew. > 4. > At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and delivered to SF. > > This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, here's my approach: > > > 1. > Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA offshore checklists, Category 1. > 2. > Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to leaving, electrical charging etc. > 3. > Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours (each) with our laptop use and water making. > 4. > Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 days minimum. > 5. > Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have warm gear. > 6. > Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks (sugar makes you warm). > 7. > Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become dislodged. > 8. > You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if this happens. > 9. > Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your main tank gets contaminated. > 10. > Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. > 11. > Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. > 12. > Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. > 13. > Have charts of all ports of possible entry. > 14. > Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell range, you can get buoy weather reports. > 15. > Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. > 16. > Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate wind. > 17. > Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire distance, and take this tactic for routing. > 18. > Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots > 19. > Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. > 20. > I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the rocks. > 21. > Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after a big wave gets you. > 22. > Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to check-in, and get any other information available. > 23. > California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther out, less possibility) > 24. > If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually more wind is on the way. > 25. > If you get the big winds, you should have a very small headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. > 26. > Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, strobe light, and knife, > 27. > Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. > 28. > Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, is everything secure? > 29. > Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. > 30. > The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. > 31. > Have very warm Sleeping bags > 32. > Always stay cool, calm and collected. > 33. > If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come up with a sound plan. > 34. > Our boat saying is "Panic = death" > > Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list is much more exhaustive. > > Cheers, > > dEmO > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Fred Haas > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > Rob, > Welcome to the list. > I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. > All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. > I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Richard@... . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: > > > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage > or has some good advice. >

Rob, That was me and my family. We are not going to make the rendezvous. My daughter is leaving Saturday morning for a mission trip to Mexico; one of those trips where they build houses for families and experience poverty, helping others, etc. I will be seeing her off at the airport. I wish you the best of luck on your trip down the coast. I was going to say that I have a Cal 29 storm jib gathering dust in my basement that I could loan out , but it is hank on and would not work with your furler. Are you (or anyone else) cruising up north this summer? We are heading for Desolation Sound the first week of July and hope to be up there 3 weeks plus. Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma From: "ltjgwyman" <lt… [at] yahoo.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:57:57 -0000 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 Voyage Planning Thanks all for the feedback & advice. I may be able to make the Cal rendesvous in Edmonds - I'm in Brownsville (Bremerton), so it's not far. Any idea whether other kids will be there? I have a teenage son & daughter (14 & 17). I met someone from this group with a Cal 29 homeported in Tacoma last year (Memorial Day 07) in Quartermaster Harbor. He had two teenage kids too & I was singlehanding since my family was still in California. Any idea who they are or whether they are going? dEmO: I appreciate all of the details. There are several items on your list I've planned on & several I hadn't considered. Also, I'm not familiar with the routing software you ran - it looks interesting - I assume it takes current data from wx buoys along the route & you enter an expected speed. But it must either run wx predictions or assume you will hit all locations simulataneously. I'd like to know more about the program & whether anyone can get access. Regarding downwind sailing in >25 kt winds, I'd like to look at double headsail options w/mainsail down. I have a CDI roller furler with a 130% genoa & a 90% jib. Is there a way to run double headsails without a major equipment change? BTW: I was in Hood Canal today on a CG patrol boat and we were seeing 40 kt winds funneling from the south near Bangor. There were also a few sailboat distress calls from Whidby Island & Vashon that were being covered - I believe everything turned out ok. Between that & hail storms on my drive back from Bellingham, it's quite a summer in Puget Sound so far. Rob --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the results, as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see up to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that. > > Here's the trip table if you left right now: > > Mountain Daylight Time > Crs°M > Twd°M > Tws > Twa > Targ > Bsp > Latitude > Longitude > MSLP > Sig wave height > 6/8/2008 16:09 > 267° > 292° > 3.1 > (25°) > 047° > 2.3 > 48 09.755n > 123 24.462w > 1021.7 > > 6/9/2008 3:30 > 267° > 153° > 5.6 > -114° > 143° > 4.9 > 48 16.993n > 124 06.273w > 1017.7 > 4.5 > 6/9/2008 9:01 > 272° > 137° > 10.4 > -135° > 156° > 5.8 > 48 26.721n > 124 47.002w > 1010.9 > 4.7 > 6/9/2008 14:22 > 194° > 267° > 31.4 > 73° > 035° > 7.4 > 47 57.507n > 125 13.869w > 1008.5 > 6.9 > 6/10/2008 0:39 > 161° > 274° > 28.7 > 113° > 153° > 10.7 > 46 10.069n > 125 09.901w > 1014.7 > 15.1 > 6/10/2008 0:39 > 343° > 273° > 28.8 > -70° > 035° > 7 > 46 10.069n > 125 09.901w > 1014.7 > 15.1 > 6/10/2008 1:43 > 160° > 280° > 28.1 > 120° > 153° > 11.4 > 45 58.245n > 125 09.010w > 1016.1 > 15.7 > 6/10/2008 7:42 > 160° > 270° > 22.5 > 110° > 146° > 8.8 > 44 58.990n > 125 04.531w > 1020.5 > 15.3 > 6/10/2008 7:42 > 163° > 272° > 22 > 109° > 146° > 8.7 > 44 58.990n > 125 04.531w > 1020.5 > 15.3 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 165° > 295° > 17.4 > 130° > 159° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 163° > 296° > 17.4 > 132° > 160° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 253° > 296° > 17.4 > 42° > 033° > 5.5 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 343° > 296° > 17.4 > -48° > 033° > 5.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 163° > 296° > 17.4 > 132° > 160° > 7.8 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/10/2008 13:28 > 253° > 296° > 17.4 > 42° > 033° > 5.5 > 44 11.593n > 125 06.405w > 1026.2 > 14.2 > 6/11/2008 9:46 > 163° > 334° > 31.5 > (171°) > 151° > 13.3 > 41 01.086n > 124 59.642w > 1024 > 11.5 > 6/11/2008 12:12 > 174° > 338° > 32.6 > (164°) > 149° > 13.9 > 40 31.515n > 125 06.230w > 1022.8 > 12.5 > 6/11/2008 14:40 > 144° > 335° > 34.7 > (-169°) > 140° > 15.1 > 40 03.635n > 124 52.794w > 1020.1 > 14.1 > 6/11/2008 17:03 > 122° > 328° > 33.1 > (-153°) > 147° > 14.2 > 39 39.867n > 124 23.929w > 1016.7 > 14.2 > 6/11/2008 19:34 > 155° > 327° > 33.1 > (172°) > 147° > 14.1 > 39 10.121n > 124 17.482w > 1014.9 > 13.1 > 6/11/2008 22:10 > 168° > 329° > 34.3 > (161°) > 143° > 14.8 > 38 37.603n > 124 19.521w > 1013.9 > 14.2 > 6/12/2008 1:00 > 184° > 335° > 33.7 > (150°) > 145° > 14.5 > 38 00.139n > 124 36.123w > 1013.6 > 17.1 > 6/12/2008 4:11 > 186° > 339° > 28.8 > (153°) > 153° > 12 > 37 21.843n > 124 54.251w > 1013.1 > 17.6 > 6/12/2008 6:57 > 129° > 339° > 24.3 > (-150°) > 148° > 10.1 > 36 57.465n > 124 31.424w > 1011.6 > 16.2 > 6/12/2008 10:28 > 129° > 337° > 18.7 > (-152°) > 152° > 7.6 > 36 33.168n > 124 08.985w > 1011.1 > 14.3 > 6/12/2008 15:18 > 121° > 334° > 11.2 > -146° > 161° > 5.6 > 36 10.736n > 123 41.198w > 1010.6 > 12.2 > 6/13/2008 0:23 > 115° > 342° > 3.5 > -133° > 139° > 2.7 > 35 49.558n > 123 09.663w > 1010.9 > 9.3 > 6/13/2008 12:53 > 096° > 179° > 3.8 > 83° > 046° > 3.7 > 35 34.709n > 122 20.661w > 1012.8 > 6.8 > 6/13/2008 21:12 > 124° > 242° > 5.1 > 118° > 142° > 4.5 > 35 11.726n > 121 54.956w > 1013.9 > 5.7 > 6/14/2008 3:33 > 159° > 271° > 5.6 > 112° > 143° > 4.9 > 34 41.336n > 121 50.340w > 1014.2 > 5.5 > 6/14/2008 9:35 > 164° > 288° > 8.2 > 124° > 149° > 5.5 > 34 09.777n > 121 48.922w > 1014.2 > 5.6 > 6/14/2008 15:02 > 076° > 285° > 12.2 > -152° > 166° > 5.7 > 34 09.873n > 121 14.395w > 1013.6 > 5 > 6/14/2008 20:18 > 097° > 280° > 15.4 > (-177°) > 169° > 5.9 > 33 59.901n > 120 41.938w > 1012.9 > 4.9 > 6/15/2008 1:11 > 093° > 280° > 15.4 > (-172°) > 169° > 5.8 > 33 52.149n > 120 09.059w > 1012.1 > 4.7 > 6/15/2008 6:17 > 072° > 281° > 9.7 > -151° > 154° > 5.2 > 33 54.568n > 119 34.174w > 1011.3 > 4.3 > 6/15/2008 12:11 > 092° > 245° > 9.3 > 152° > 152° > 5 > 33 46.989n > 119 01.340w > 1010.7 > 4.2 > 6/15/2008 17:39 > 093° > 238° > 9.6 > 145° > 153° > 5.3 > 33 39.150n > 118 28.599w > 1009.9 > 4 > Route distance > 1114.53nm > > > > > > > > > > Optimal distance > 1226.15nm > > > > > > > > > > Optimal route time > 7d 01h 29m > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > Or you can ship it? > > After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long Beach as final location. > > Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. > > This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so take it slow and safe. > > My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots of wind, and perfect storm waves. > > This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee shored in rounding. > > It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. > > today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the compression and turning. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka California. Summary of failures: > > > 1. > Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the engine head. (repairs and re-crew). > 2. > Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs and recrew). > 3. > Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re- crew. > 4. > At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and delivered to SF. > > This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, here's my approach: > > > 1. > Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA offshore checklists, Category 1. > 2. > Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to leaving, electrical charging etc. > 3. > Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours (each) with our laptop use and water making. > 4. > Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 days minimum. > 5. > Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have warm gear. > 6. > Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks (sugar makes you warm). > 7. > Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become dislodged. > 8. > You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if this happens. > 9. > Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your main tank gets contaminated. > 10. > Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. > 11. > Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor master office or fuel dock. > 12. > Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. > 13. > Have charts of all ports of possible entry. > 14. > Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell range, you can get buoy weather reports. > 15. > Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. > 16. > Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate wind. > 17. > Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire distance, and take this tactic for routing. > 18. > Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots > 19. > Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. > 20. > I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the rocks. > 21. > Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after a big wave gets you. > 22. > Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to check-in, and get any other information available. > 23. > California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther out, less possibility) > 24. > If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually more wind is on the way. > 25. > If you get the big winds, you should have a very small headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. > 26. > Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, strobe light, and knife, > 27. > Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. > 28. > Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, is everything secure? > 29. > Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. > 30. > The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. > 31. > Have very warm Sleeping bags > 32. > Always stay cool, calm and collected. > 33. > If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come up with a sound plan. > 34. > Our boat saying is "Panic = death" > > Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list is much more exhaustive. > > Cheers, > > dEmO > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Fred Haas > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > Rob, > Welcome to the list. > I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall objective means successful completion of each segment. When you factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have time to make it safely and pleasurably. > All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for it. > I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at Richard@... . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard that before? Join us then if you like. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: > > > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm planning a > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget Sound to Long > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made the voyage > or has some good advice. >

Good to hear from you, Terry. I had hoped to meet up with you & the family sometime while my wife & kids are in Puget Sound, but the weather has been generally bad since they moved here last summer & now we're packing up to move back again. I think my kids would have enjoyed the company. While I finish my work here this summer I'll keep plugging along getting the boat & crew ready, and if I can't get everything together, I'll go with another plan ie. sell, ship or store. This opportunity won't present itself often, so it would be great to do it; I'll be finishing a contract here and starting a new job in CA, so I'm pretty flexible on time for a few weeks. I hope you have a great trip to Desolation Sound - I'll be in CA for the move. If I hear of anyone going that way at the marina, I'll let you know. Rob --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Rob, > > That was me and my family. We are not going to make the rendezvous. My > daughter is leaving Saturday morning for a mission trip to Mexico; one of > those trips where they build houses for families and experience poverty, > helping others, etc. I will be seeing her off at the airport. > > I wish you the best of luck on your trip down the coast. I was going to say > that I have a Cal 29 storm jib gathering dust in my basement that I could > loan out , but it is hank on and would not work with your furler. > > Are you (or anyone else) cruising up north this summer? We are heading for > Desolation Sound the first week of July and hope to be up there 3 weeks > plus. > > Terry Spencer > Cal 2-29 > Capriccio > Tacoma > > > > From: "ltjgwyman" <ltjgwyman@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:57:57 -0000 > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > Thanks all for the feedback & advice. I may be able to make the Cal > rendesvous in Edmonds - I'm in Brownsville (Bremerton), so it's not > far. Any idea whether other kids will be there? I have a teenage > son & daughter (14 & 17). I met someone from this group with a Cal > 29 homeported in Tacoma last year (Memorial Day 07) in Quartermaster > Harbor. He had two teenage kids too & I was singlehanding since my > family was still in California. Any idea who they are or whether > they are going? > > dEmO: I appreciate all of the details. There are several items on > your list I've planned on & several I hadn't considered. Also, I'm > not familiar with the routing software you ran - it looks > interesting - I assume it takes current data from wx buoys along the > route & you enter an expected speed. But it must either run wx > predictions or assume you will hit all locations simulataneously. > I'd like to know more about the program & whether anyone can get > access. > > Regarding downwind sailing in >25 kt winds, I'd like to look at > double headsail options w/mainsail down. I have a CDI roller furler > with a 130% genoa & a 90% jib. Is there a way to run double > headsails without a major equipment change? > > BTW: I was in Hood Canal today on a CG patrol boat and we were > seeing 40 kt winds funneling from the south near Bangor. There were > also a few sailboat distress calls from Whidby Island & Vashon that > were being covered - I believe everything turned out ok. Between > that & hail storms on my drive back from Bellingham, it's quite a > summer in Puget Sound so far. > > Rob > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> , > <timmothy.lessley@> wrote: > > > > I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the results, > as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see up > to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights > to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that. > > > > Here's the trip table if you left right now: > > > > Mountain Daylight Time > > Crs°M > > Twd°M > > Tws > > Twa > > Targ > > Bsp > > Latitude > > Longitude > > MSLP > > Sig wave height > > 6/8/2008 16:09 > > 267° > > 292° > > 3.1 > > (25°) > > 047° > > 2.3 > > 48 09.755n > > 123 24.462w > > 1021.7 > > > > 6/9/2008 3:30 > > 267° > > 153° > > 5.6 > > -114° > > 143° > > 4.9 > > 48 16.993n > > 124 06.273w > > 1017.7 > > 4.5 > > 6/9/2008 9:01 > > 272° > > 137° > > 10.4 > > -135° > > 156° > > 5.8 > > 48 26.721n > > 124 47.002w > > 1010.9 > > 4.7 > > 6/9/2008 14:22 > > 194° > > 267° > > 31.4 > > 73° > > 035° > > 7.4 > > 47 57.507n > > 125 13.869w > > 1008.5 > > 6.9 > > 6/10/2008 0:39 > > 161° > > 274° > > 28.7 > > 113° > > 153° > > 10.7 > > 46 10.069n > > 125 09.901w > > 1014.7 > > 15.1 > > 6/10/2008 0:39 > > 343° > > 273° > > 28.8 > > -70° > > 035° > > 7 > > 46 10.069n > > 125 09.901w > > 1014.7 > > 15.1 > > 6/10/2008 1:43 > > 160° > > 280° > > 28.1 > > 120° > > 153° > > 11.4 > > 45 58.245n > > 125 09.010w > > 1016.1 > > 15.7 > > 6/10/2008 7:42 > > 160° > > 270° > > 22.5 > > 110° > > 146° > > 8.8 > > 44 58.990n > > 125 04.531w > > 1020.5 > > 15.3 > > 6/10/2008 7:42 > > 163° > > 272° > > 22 > > 109° > > 146° > > 8.7 > > 44 58.990n > > 125 04.531w > > 1020.5 > > 15.3 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 165° > > 295° > > 17.4 > > 130° > > 159° > > 7.8 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 343° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > -48° > > 033° > > 5.8 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 163° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > 132° > > 160° > > 7.8 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 343° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > -48° > > 033° > > 5.8 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 253° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > 42° > > 033° > > 5.5 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 343° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > -48° > > 033° > > 5.8 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 163° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > 132° > > 160° > > 7.8 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > 253° > > 296° > > 17.4 > > 42° > > 033° > > 5.5 > > 44 11.593n > > 125 06.405w > > 1026.2 > > 14.2 > > 6/11/2008 9:46 > > 163° > > 334° > > 31.5 > > (171°) > > 151° > > 13.3 > > 41 01.086n > > 124 59.642w > > 1024 > > 11.5 > > 6/11/2008 12:12 > > 174° > > 338° > > 32.6 > > (164°) > > 149° > > 13.9 > > 40 31.515n > > 125 06.230w > > 1022.8 > > 12.5 > > 6/11/2008 14:40 > > 144° > > 335° > > 34.7 > > (-169°) > > 140° > > 15.1 > > 40 03.635n > > 124 52.794w > > 1020.1 > > 14.1 > > 6/11/2008 17:03 > > 122° > > 328° > > 33.1 > > (-153°) > > 147° > > 14.2 > > 39 39.867n > > 124 23.929w > > 1016.7 > > 14.2 > > 6/11/2008 19:34 > > 155° > > 327° > > 33.1 > > (172°) > > 147° > > 14.1 > > 39 10.121n > > 124 17.482w > > 1014.9 > > 13.1 > > 6/11/2008 22:10 > > 168° > > 329° > > 34.3 > > (161°) > > 143° > > 14.8 > > 38 37.603n > > 124 19.521w > > 1013.9 > > 14.2 > > 6/12/2008 1:00 > > 184° > > 335° > > 33.7 > > (150°) > > 145° > > 14.5 > > 38 00.139n > > 124 36.123w > > 1013.6 > > 17.1 > > 6/12/2008 4:11 > > 186° > > 339° > > 28.8 > > (153°) > > 153° > > 12 > > 37 21.843n > > 124 54.251w > > 1013.1 > > 17.6 > > 6/12/2008 6:57 > > 129° > > 339° > > 24.3 > > (-150°) > > 148° > > 10.1 > > 36 57.465n > > 124 31.424w > > 1011.6 > > 16.2 > > 6/12/2008 10:28 > > 129° > > 337° > > 18.7 > > (-152°) > > 152° > > 7.6 > > 36 33.168n > > 124 08.985w > > 1011.1 > > 14.3 > > 6/12/2008 15:18 > > 121° > > 334° > > 11.2 > > -146° > > 161° > > 5.6 > > 36 10.736n > > 123 41.198w > > 1010.6 > > 12.2 > > 6/13/2008 0:23 > > 115° > > 342° > > 3.5 > > -133° > > 139° > > 2.7 > > 35 49.558n > > 123 09.663w > > 1010.9 > > 9.3 > > 6/13/2008 12:53 > > 096° > > 179° > > 3.8 > > 83° > > 046° > > 3.7 > > 35 34.709n > > 122 20.661w > > 1012.8 > > 6.8 > > 6/13/2008 21:12 > > 124° > > 242° > > 5.1 > > 118° > > 142° > > 4.5 > > 35 11.726n > > 121 54.956w > > 1013.9 > > 5.7 > > 6/14/2008 3:33 > > 159° > > 271° > > 5.6 > > 112° > > 143° > > 4.9 > > 34 41.336n > > 121 50.340w > > 1014.2 > > 5.5 > > 6/14/2008 9:35 > > 164° > > 288° > > 8.2 > > 124° > > 149° > > 5.5 > > 34 09.777n > > 121 48.922w > > 1014.2 > > 5.6 > > 6/14/2008 15:02 > > 076° > > 285° > > 12.2 > > -152° > > 166° > > 5.7 > > 34 09.873n > > 121 14.395w > > 1013.6 > > 5 > > 6/14/2008 20:18 > > 097° > > 280° > > 15.4 > > (-177°) > > 169° > > 5.9 > > 33 59.901n > > 120 41.938w > > 1012.9 > > 4.9 > > 6/15/2008 1:11 > > 093° > > 280° > > 15.4 > > (-172°) > > 169° > > 5.8 > > 33 52.149n > > 120 09.059w > > 1012.1 > > 4.7 > > 6/15/2008 6:17 > > 072° > > 281° > > 9.7 > > -151° > > 154° > > 5.2 > > 33 54.568n > > 119 34.174w > > 1011.3 > > 4.3 > > 6/15/2008 12:11 > > 092° > > 245° > > 9.3 > > 152° > > 152° > > 5 > > 33 46.989n > > 119 01.340w > > 1010.7 > > 4.2 > > 6/15/2008 17:39 > > 093° > > 238° > > 9.6 > > 145° > > 153° > > 5.3 > > 33 39.150n > > 118 28.599w > > 1009.9 > > 4 > > Route distance > > 1114.53nm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimal distance > > 1226.15nm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimal route time > > 7d 01h 29m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@ > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > > > Or you can ship it? > > > > After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long > Beach as final location. > > > > Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do > the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. > > > > This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so > take it slow and safe. > > > > My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots > of wind, and perfect storm waves. > > > > This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no > place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee > shored in rounding. > > > > It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. > > > > today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the > compression and turning. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@ > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > > > I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of > wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the > boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of > failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka > California. Summary of failures: > > > > > > 1. > > Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They > also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the > engine head. (repairs and re-crew). > > 2. > > Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail > in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs > and recrew). > > 3. > > Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re- > crew. > > 4. > > At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and > delivered to SF. > > > > This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, > here's my approach: > > > > > > 1. > > Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical > system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA > offshore checklists, Category 1. > > 2. > > Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to > leaving, electrical charging etc. > > 3. > > Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at > least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours > (each) with our laptop use and water making. > > 4. > > Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 > days minimum. > > 5. > > Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have > warm gear. > > 6. > > Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot > water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks > (sugar makes you warm). > > 7. > > Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel > filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become > dislodged. > > 8. > > You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the > straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if > this happens. > > 9. > > Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your > main tank gets contaminated. > > 10. > > Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case > you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor > master office or fuel dock. > > 11. > > Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in > case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the > harbor master office or fuel dock. > > 12. > > Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. > > 13. > > Have charts of all ports of possible entry. > > 14. > > Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell > range, you can get buoy weather reports. > > 15. > > Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. > > 16. > > Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate > wind. > > 17. > > Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire > distance, and take this tactic for routing. > > 18. > > Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots > > 19. > > Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 > miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. > > 20. > > I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I > break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the > rocks. > > 21. > > Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a > light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you > can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after > a big wave gets you. > > 22. > > Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to > check-in, and get any other information available. > > 23. > > California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the > coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther > out, less possibility) > > 24. > > If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you > don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually > more wind is on the way. > > 25. > > If you get the big winds, you should have a very small > headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up. > > 26. > > Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, > strobe light, and knife, > > 27. > > Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on > deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. > > 28. > > Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, > is everything secure? > > 29. > > Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied > off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. > > 30. > > The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. > > 31. > > Have very warm Sleeping bags > > 32. > > Always stay cool, calm and collected. > > 33. > > If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come > up with a sound plan. > > 34. > > Our boat saying is "Panic = death" > > > > Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list > is much more exhaustive. > > > > Cheers, > > > > dEmO > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of Fred Haas > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > Rob, > > Welcome to the list. > > I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for > that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in > planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is > in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall > objective means successful completion of each segment. When you > factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew > failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes > your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of > avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the > pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of > poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail > in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering > strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to > move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the > horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to > do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, > come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if > you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll > be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have > time to make it safely and pleasurably. > > All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for > it. > > I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the > weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard > Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at > Richard@ . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to > meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up > a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard > that before? Join us then if you like. > > Fred Haas > > 3-30 Nemesis > > Tacoma > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: > > > > > > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm > planning a > > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget > Sound to Long > > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made > the voyage > > or has some good advice. > > >

watch for SV Sequoia, an Outbound 44 in the Desolation Sound area. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: lt… [at] yahoo.comDate: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:34:23 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 Voyage Planning Good to hear from you, Terry. I had hoped to meet up with you & the family sometime while my wife & kids are in Puget Sound, but the weather has been generally bad since they moved here last summer & now we're packing up to move back again. I think my kids would have enjoyed the company.While I finish my work here this summer I'll keep plugging along getting the boat & crew ready, and if I can't get everything together, I'll go with another plan ie. sell, ship or store.This opportunity won't present itself often, so it would be great to do it; I'll be finishing a contract here and starting a new job in CA, so I'm pretty flexible on time for a few weeks.I hope you have a great trip to Desolation Sound - I'll be in CA for the move. If I hear of anyone going that way at the marina, I'll let you know.Rob--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote:>> Rob,> > That was me and my family. We are not going to make the rendezvous. My> daughter is leaving Saturday morning for a mission trip to Mexico; one of> those trips where they build houses for families and experience poverty,> helping others, etc. I will be seeing her off at the airport.> > I wish you the best of luck on your trip down the coast. I was going to say> that I have a Cal 29 storm jib gathering dust in my basement that I could> loan out , but it is hank on and would not work with your furler.> > Are you (or anyone else) cruising up north this summer? We are heading for> Desolation Sound the first week of July and hope to be up there 3 weeks> plus.> > Terry Spencer> Cal 2-29> Capriccio> Tacoma> > > > From: "ltjgwyman" <ltjgwyman@...>> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:57:57 -0000> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 Voyage Planning> > > > > Thanks all for the feedback & advice. I may be able to make the Cal> rendesvous in Edmonds - I'm in Brownsville (Bremerton), so it's not> far. Any idea whether other kids will be there? I have a teenage> son & daughter (14 & 17). I met someone from this group with a Cal> 29 homeported in Tacoma last year (Memorial Day 07) in Quartermaster> Harbor. He had two teenage kids too & I was singlehanding since my> family was still in California. Any idea who they are or whether> they are going?> > dEmO: I appreciate all of the details. There are several items on> your list I've planned on & several I hadn't considered. Also, I'm> not familiar with the routing software you ran - it looks> interesting - I assume it takes current data from wx buoys along the> route & you enter an expected speed. But it must either run wx> predictions or assume you will hit all locations simulataneously.> I'd like to know more about the program & whether anyone can get> access.> > Regarding downwind sailing in >25 kt winds, I'd like to look at> double headsail options w/mainsail down. I have a CDI roller furler> with a 130% genoa & a 90% jib. Is there a way to run double> headsails without a major equipment change?> > BTW: I was in Hood Canal today on a CG patrol boat and we were> seeing 40 kt winds funneling from the south near Bangor. There were> also a few sailboat distress calls from Whidby Island & Vashon that> were being covered - I believe everything turned out ok. Between> that & hail storms on my drive back from Bellingham, it's quite a> summer in Puget Sound so far.> > Rob> > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ,> <timmothy.lessley@> wrote:> >> > I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the results,> as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see up> to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights> to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that.> > > > Here's the trip table if you left right now:> > > > Mountain Daylight Time> > Crs°M> > Twd°M> > Tws> > Twa> > Targ> > Bsp> > Latitude> > Longitude> > MSLP> > Sig wave height> > 6/8/2008 16:09> > 267°> > 292°> > 3.1> > (25°)> > 047°> > 2.3> > 48 09.755n> > 123 24.462w> > 1021.7> > > > 6/9/2008 3:30> > 267°> > 153°> > 5.6> > -114°> > 143°> > 4.9> > 48 16.993n> > 124 06.273w> > 1017.7> > 4.5> > 6/9/2008 9:01> > 272°> > 137°> > 10.4> > -135°> > 156°> > 5.8> > 48 26.721n> > 124 47.002w> > 1010.9> > 4.7> > 6/9/2008 14:22> > 194°> > 267°> > 31.4> > 73°> > 035°> > 7.4> > 47 57.507n> > 125 13.869w> > 1008.5> > 6.9> > 6/10/2008 0:39> > 161°> > 274°> > 28.7> > 113°> > 153°> > 10.7> > 46 10.069n> > 125 09.901w> > 1014.7> > 15.1> > 6/10/2008 0:39> > 343°> > 273°> > 28.8> > -70°> > 035°> > 7> > 46 10.069n> > 125 09.901w> > 1014.7> > 15.1> > 6/10/2008 1:43> > 160°> > 280°> > 28.1> > 120°> > 153°> > 11.4> > 45 58.245n> > 125 09.010w> > 1016.1> > 15.7> > 6/10/2008 7:42> > 160°> > 270°> > 22.5> > 110°> > 146°> > 8.8> > 44 58.990n> > 125 04.531w> > 1020.5> > 15.3> > 6/10/2008 7:42> > 163°> > 272°> > 22> > 109°> > 146°> > 8.7> > 44 58.990n> > 125 04.531w> > 1020.5> > 15.3> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 165°> > 295°> > 17.4> > 130°> > 159°> > 7.8> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 343°> > 296°> > 17.4> > -48°> > 033°> > 5.8> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 163°> > 296°> > 17.4> > 132°> > 160°> > 7.8> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 343°> > 296°> > 17.4> > -48°> > 033°> > 5.8> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 253°> > 296°> > 17.4> > 42°> > 033°> > 5.5> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 343°> > 296°> > 17.4> > -48°> > 033°> > 5.8> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 163°> > 296°> > 17.4> > 132°> > 160°> > 7.8> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/10/2008 13:28> > 253°> > 296°> > 17.4> > 42°> > 033°> > 5.5> > 44 11.593n> > 125 06.405w> > 1026.2> > 14.2> > 6/11/2008 9:46> > 163°> > 334°> > 31.5> > (171°)> > 151°> > 13.3> > 41 01.086n> > 124 59.642w> > 1024> > 11.5> > 6/11/2008 12:12> > 174°> > 338°> > 32.6> > (164°)> > 149°> > 13.9> > 40 31.515n> > 125 06.230w> > 1022.8> > 12.5> > 6/11/2008 14:40> > 144°> > 335°> > 34.7> > (-169°)> > 140°> > 15.1> > 40 03.635n> > 124 52.794w> > 1020.1> > 14.1> > 6/11/2008 17:03> > 122°> > 328°> > 33.1> > (-153°)> > 147°> > 14.2> > 39 39.867n> > 124 23.929w> > 1016.7> > 14.2> > 6/11/2008 19:34> > 155°> > 327°> > 33.1> > (172°)> > 147°> > 14.1> > 39 10.121n> > 124 17.482w> > 1014.9> > 13.1> > 6/11/2008 22:10> > 168°> > 329°> > 34.3> > (161°)> > 143°> > 14.8> > 38 37.603n> > 124 19.521w> > 1013.9> > 14.2> > 6/12/2008 1:00> > 184°> > 335°> > 33.7> > (150°)> > 145°> > 14.5> > 38 00.139n> > 124 36.123w> > 1013.6> > 17.1> > 6/12/2008 4:11> > 186°> > 339°> > 28.8> > (153°)> > 153°> > 12> > 37 21.843n> > 124 54.251w> > 1013.1> > 17.6> > 6/12/2008 6:57> > 129°> > 339°> > 24.3> > (-150°)> > 148°> > 10.1> > 36 57.465n> > 124 31.424w> > 1011.6> > 16.2> > 6/12/2008 10:28> > 129°> > 337°> > 18.7> > (-152°)> > 152°> > 7.6> > 36 33.168n> > 124 08.985w> > 1011.1> > 14.3> > 6/12/2008 15:18> > 121°> > 334°> > 11.2> > -146°> > 161°> > 5.6> > 36 10.736n> > 123 41.198w> > 1010.6> > 12.2> > 6/13/2008 0:23> > 115°> > 342°> > 3.5> > -133°> > 139°> > 2.7> > 35 49.558n> > 123 09.663w> > 1010.9> > 9.3> > 6/13/2008 12:53> > 096°> > 179°> > 3.8> > 83°> > 046°> > 3.7> > 35 34.709n> > 122 20.661w> > 1012.8> > 6.8> > 6/13/2008 21:12> > 124°> > 242°> > 5.1> > 118°> > 142°> > 4.5> > 35 11.726n> > 121 54.956w> > 1013.9> > 5.7> > 6/14/2008 3:33> > 159°> > 271°> > 5.6> > 112°> > 143°> > 4.9> > 34 41.336n> > 121 50.340w> > 1014.2> > 5.5> > 6/14/2008 9:35> > 164°> > 288°> > 8.2> > 124°> > 149°> > 5.5> > 34 09.777n> > 121 48.922w> > 1014.2> > 5.6> > 6/14/2008 15:02> > 076°> > 285°> > 12.2> > -152°> > 166°> > 5.7> > 34 09.873n> > 121 14.395w> > 1013.6> > 5> > 6/14/2008 20:18> > 097°> > 280°> > 15.4> > (-177°)> > 169°> > 5.9> > 33 59.901n> > 120 41.938w> > 1012.9> > 4.9> > 6/15/2008 1:11> > 093°> > 280°> > 15.4> > (-172°)> > 169°> > 5.8> > 33 52.149n> > 120 09.059w> > 1012.1> > 4.7> > 6/15/2008 6:17> > 072°> > 281°> > 9.7> > -151°> > 154°> > 5.2> > 33 54.568n> > 119 34.174w> > 1011.3> > 4.3> > 6/15/2008 12:11> > 092°> > 245°> > 9.3> > 152°> > 152°> > 5> > 33 46.989n> > 119 01.340w> > 1010.7> > 4.2> > 6/15/2008 17:39> > 093°> > 238°> > 9.6> > 145°> > 153°> > 5.3> > 33 39.150n> > 118 28.599w> > 1009.9> > 4> > Route distance> > 1114.53nm> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimal distance> > 1226.15nm> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimal route time> > 7d 01h 29m> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ]> On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning> > > > > > > > Or you can ship it?> > > > After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long> Beach as final location.> > > > Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do> the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there.> > > > This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so> take it slow and safe.> > > > My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots> of wind, and perfect storm waves.> > > > This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no> place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee> shored in rounding.> > > > It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally.> > > > today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the> compression and turning.> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ]> On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning> > > > > > > > I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots of> wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the> boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of> failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to Eureka> California. Summary of failures:> > > > > > 1. > > Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They> also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the> engine head. (repairs and re-crew).> > 2. > > Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail> in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs> and recrew).> > 3. > > Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re-> crew.> > 4. > > At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and> delivered to SF.> > > > This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it,> here's my approach:> > > > > > 1. > > Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical> system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA> offshore checklists, Category 1.> > 2. > > Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to> leaving, electrical charging etc.> > 3. > > Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at> least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours> (each) with our laptop use and water making.> > 4. > > Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9> days minimum.> > 5. > > Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have> warm gear.> > 6. > > Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot> water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks> (sugar makes you warm).> > 7. > > Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel> filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become> dislodged.> > 8. > > You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the> straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if> this happens.> > 9. > > Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your> main tank gets contaminated.> > 10. > > Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case> you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor> master office or fuel dock.> > 11. > > Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in> case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the> harbor master office or fuel dock.> > 12. > > Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up.> > 13. > > Have charts of all ports of possible entry.> > 14. > > Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell> range, you can get buoy weather reports.> > 15. > > Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors.> > 16. > > Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate> wind.> > 17. > > Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire> distance, and take this tactic for routing.> > 18. > > Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots> > 19. > > Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50> miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles.> > 20. > > I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I> break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the> rocks.> > 21. > > Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a> light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you> can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after> a big wave gets you.> > 22. > > Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to> check-in, and get any other information available.> > 23. > > California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the> coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther> out, less possibility)> > 24. > > If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you> don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... usually> more wind is on the way.> > 25. > > If you get the big winds, you should have a very small> headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow up.> > 26. > > Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle,> strobe light, and knife,> > 27. > > Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on> deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms.> > 28. > > Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down,> is everything secure?> > 29. > > Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied> off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier.> > 30. > > The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it.> > 31. > > Have very warm Sleeping bags> > 32. > > Always stay cool, calm and collected.> > 33. > > If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come> up with a sound plan.> > 34. > > Our boat saying is "Panic = death"> > > > Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full list> is much more exhaustive.> > > > Cheers,> > > > dEmO> > > > ________________________________> > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ]> On Behalf Of Fred Haas> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning> > > > > > Rob, > > Welcome to the list.> > I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for> that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in> planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which is> in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall> objective means successful completion of each segment. When you> factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew> failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes> your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of> avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the> pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of> poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing sail> in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering> strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to> move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the> horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time to> do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg,> come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even if> you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll> be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have> time to make it safely and pleasurably.> > All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for> it. > > I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the> weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard> Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at> Richard@ . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to> meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break up> a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard> that before? Join us then if you like.> > Fred Haas > > 3-30 Nemesis > > Tacoma > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote:> > > > > > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm> planning a > > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget> Sound to Long > > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made> the voyage > > or has some good advice.> >>

I'm planning to haul the boat out in Port Orchard, WA in July or August to paint the bottom & inspect the underside. Can anyone recommend a good surveyor that can do a detailed inspection of my rudder, post, thru-hulls, rigging, etc.? I had the boat surveyed less than 2 years ago when I purchased it, but wasn't impressed enough with the surveyor to hire him again. It would be great to have someone with blue water sailing experience to take a look from that perspective. Rob Cal 2-29 Gypsy Brownsville, WA --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "ltjgwyman" <ltjgwyman@...> wrote: > > Good to hear from you, Terry. I had hoped to meet up with you & the > family sometime while my wife & kids are in Puget Sound, but the > weather has been generally bad since they moved here last summer & > now we're packing up to move back again. I think my kids would have > enjoyed the company. > > While I finish my work here this summer I'll keep plugging along > getting the boat & crew ready, and if I can't get everything > together, I'll go with another plan ie. sell, ship or store. > > This opportunity won't present itself often, so it would be great to > do it; I'll be finishing a contract here and starting a new job in > CA, so I'm pretty flexible on time for a few weeks. > > I hope you have a great trip to Desolation Sound - I'll be in CA for > the move. If I hear of anyone going that way at the marina, I'll > let you know. > > Rob > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@> > wrote: > > > > Rob, > > > > That was me and my family. We are not going to make the > rendezvous. My > > daughter is leaving Saturday morning for a mission trip to Mexico; > one of > > those trips where they build houses for families and experience > poverty, > > helping others, etc. I will be seeing her off at the airport. > > > > I wish you the best of luck on your trip down the coast. I was > going to say > > that I have a Cal 29 storm jib gathering dust in my basement that > I could > > loan out , but it is hank on and would not work with your furler. > > > > Are you (or anyone else) cruising up north this summer? We are > heading for > > Desolation Sound the first week of July and hope to be up there 3 > weeks > > plus. > > > > Terry Spencer > > Cal 2-29 > > Capriccio > > Tacoma > > > > > > > > From: "ltjgwyman" <ltjgwyman@> > > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:57:57 -0000 > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > > > > > Thanks all for the feedback & advice. I may be able to make the > Cal > > rendesvous in Edmonds - I'm in Brownsville (Bremerton), so it's not > > far. Any idea whether other kids will be there? I have a teenage > > son & daughter (14 & 17). I met someone from this group with a Cal > > 29 homeported in Tacoma last year (Memorial Day 07) in > Quartermaster > > Harbor. He had two teenage kids too & I was singlehanding since my > > family was still in California. Any idea who they are or whether > > they are going? > > > > dEmO: I appreciate all of the details. There are several items on > > your list I've planned on & several I hadn't considered. Also, I'm > > not familiar with the routing software you ran - it looks > > interesting - I assume it takes current data from wx buoys along > the > > route & you enter an expected speed. But it must either run wx > > predictions or assume you will hit all locations simulataneously. > > I'd like to know more about the program & whether anyone can get > > access. > > > > Regarding downwind sailing in >25 kt winds, I'd like to look at > > double headsail options w/mainsail down. I have a CDI roller > furler > > with a 130% genoa & a 90% jib. Is there a way to run double > > headsails without a major equipment change? > > > > BTW: I was in Hood Canal today on a CG patrol boat and we were > > seeing 40 kt winds funneling from the south near Bangor. There > were > > also a few sailboat distress calls from Whidby Island & Vashon that > > were being covered - I believe everything turned out ok. Between > > that & hail storms on my drive back from Bellingham, it's quite a > > summer in Puget Sound so far. > > > > Rob > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> , > > <timmothy.lessley@> wrote: > > > > > > I ran a quick routing with the Cal 9.2 polars, here's the > results, > > as you can see in the table, if you left today, you expect to see > up > > to 34.7 knots (TWS) steady (gusts to maybe 44.7+) and wave heights > > to 17.6 feet, with the odd wave more than that. > > > > > > Here's the trip table if you left right now: > > > > > > Mountain Daylight Time > > > Crs°M > > > Twd°M > > > Tws > > > Twa > > > Targ > > > Bsp > > > Latitude > > > Longitude > > > MSLP > > > Sig wave height > > > 6/8/2008 16:09 > > > 267° > > > 292° > > > 3.1 > > > (25°) > > > 047° > > > 2.3 > > > 48 09.755n > > > 123 24.462w > > > 1021.7 > > > > > > 6/9/2008 3:30 > > > 267° > > > 153° > > > 5.6 > > > -114° > > > 143° > > > 4.9 > > > 48 16.993n > > > 124 06.273w > > > 1017.7 > > > 4.5 > > > 6/9/2008 9:01 > > > 272° > > > 137° > > > 10.4 > > > -135° > > > 156° > > > 5.8 > > > 48 26.721n > > > 124 47.002w > > > 1010.9 > > > 4.7 > > > 6/9/2008 14:22 > > > 194° > > > 267° > > > 31.4 > > > 73° > > > 035° > > > 7.4 > > > 47 57.507n > > > 125 13.869w > > > 1008.5 > > > 6.9 > > > 6/10/2008 0:39 > > > 161° > > > 274° > > > 28.7 > > > 113° > > > 153° > > > 10.7 > > > 46 10.069n > > > 125 09.901w > > > 1014.7 > > > 15.1 > > > 6/10/2008 0:39 > > > 343° > > > 273° > > > 28.8 > > > -70° > > > 035° > > > 7 > > > 46 10.069n > > > 125 09.901w > > > 1014.7 > > > 15.1 > > > 6/10/2008 1:43 > > > 160° > > > 280° > > > 28.1 > > > 120° > > > 153° > > > 11.4 > > > 45 58.245n > > > 125 09.010w > > > 1016.1 > > > 15.7 > > > 6/10/2008 7:42 > > > 160° > > > 270° > > > 22.5 > > > 110° > > > 146° > > > 8.8 > > > 44 58.990n > > > 125 04.531w > > > 1020.5 > > > 15.3 > > > 6/10/2008 7:42 > > > 163° > > > 272° > > > 22 > > > 109° > > > 146° > > > 8.7 > > > 44 58.990n > > > 125 04.531w > > > 1020.5 > > > 15.3 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 165° > > > 295° > > > 17.4 > > > 130° > > > 159° > > > 7.8 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 343° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > -48° > > > 033° > > > 5.8 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 163° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > 132° > > > 160° > > > 7.8 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 343° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > -48° > > > 033° > > > 5.8 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 253° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > 42° > > > 033° > > > 5.5 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 343° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > -48° > > > 033° > > > 5.8 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 163° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > 132° > > > 160° > > > 7.8 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/10/2008 13:28 > > > 253° > > > 296° > > > 17.4 > > > 42° > > > 033° > > > 5.5 > > > 44 11.593n > > > 125 06.405w > > > 1026.2 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/11/2008 9:46 > > > 163° > > > 334° > > > 31.5 > > > (171°) > > > 151° > > > 13.3 > > > 41 01.086n > > > 124 59.642w > > > 1024 > > > 11.5 > > > 6/11/2008 12:12 > > > 174° > > > 338° > > > 32.6 > > > (164°) > > > 149° > > > 13.9 > > > 40 31.515n > > > 125 06.230w > > > 1022.8 > > > 12.5 > > > 6/11/2008 14:40 > > > 144° > > > 335° > > > 34.7 > > > (-169°) > > > 140° > > > 15.1 > > > 40 03.635n > > > 124 52.794w > > > 1020.1 > > > 14.1 > > > 6/11/2008 17:03 > > > 122° > > > 328° > > > 33.1 > > > (-153°) > > > 147° > > > 14.2 > > > 39 39.867n > > > 124 23.929w > > > 1016.7 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/11/2008 19:34 > > > 155° > > > 327° > > > 33.1 > > > (172°) > > > 147° > > > 14.1 > > > 39 10.121n > > > 124 17.482w > > > 1014.9 > > > 13.1 > > > 6/11/2008 22:10 > > > 168° > > > 329° > > > 34.3 > > > (161°) > > > 143° > > > 14.8 > > > 38 37.603n > > > 124 19.521w > > > 1013.9 > > > 14.2 > > > 6/12/2008 1:00 > > > 184° > > > 335° > > > 33.7 > > > (150°) > > > 145° > > > 14.5 > > > 38 00.139n > > > 124 36.123w > > > 1013.6 > > > 17.1 > > > 6/12/2008 4:11 > > > 186° > > > 339° > > > 28.8 > > > (153°) > > > 153° > > > 12 > > > 37 21.843n > > > 124 54.251w > > > 1013.1 > > > 17.6 > > > 6/12/2008 6:57 > > > 129° > > > 339° > > > 24.3 > > > (-150°) > > > 148° > > > 10.1 > > > 36 57.465n > > > 124 31.424w > > > 1011.6 > > > 16.2 > > > 6/12/2008 10:28 > > > 129° > > > 337° > > > 18.7 > > > (-152°) > > > 152° > > > 7.6 > > > 36 33.168n > > > 124 08.985w > > > 1011.1 > > > 14.3 > > > 6/12/2008 15:18 > > > 121° > > > 334° > > > 11.2 > > > -146° > > > 161° > > > 5.6 > > > 36 10.736n > > > 123 41.198w > > > 1010.6 > > > 12.2 > > > 6/13/2008 0:23 > > > 115° > > > 342° > > > 3.5 > > > -133° > > > 139° > > > 2.7 > > > 35 49.558n > > > 123 09.663w > > > 1010.9 > > > 9.3 > > > 6/13/2008 12:53 > > > 096° > > > 179° > > > 3.8 > > > 83° > > > 046° > > > 3.7 > > > 35 34.709n > > > 122 20.661w > > > 1012.8 > > > 6.8 > > > 6/13/2008 21:12 > > > 124° > > > 242° > > > 5.1 > > > 118° > > > 142° > > > 4.5 > > > 35 11.726n > > > 121 54.956w > > > 1013.9 > > > 5.7 > > > 6/14/2008 3:33 > > > 159° > > > 271° > > > 5.6 > > > 112° > > > 143° > > > 4.9 > > > 34 41.336n > > > 121 50.340w > > > 1014.2 > > > 5.5 > > > 6/14/2008 9:35 > > > 164° > > > 288° > > > 8.2 > > > 124° > > > 149° > > > 5.5 > > > 34 09.777n > > > 121 48.922w > > > 1014.2 > > > 5.6 > > > 6/14/2008 15:02 > > > 076° > > > 285° > > > 12.2 > > > -152° > > > 166° > > > 5.7 > > > 34 09.873n > > > 121 14.395w > > > 1013.6 > > > 5 > > > 6/14/2008 20:18 > > > 097° > > > 280° > > > 15.4 > > > (-177°) > > > 169° > > > 5.9 > > > 33 59.901n > > > 120 41.938w > > > 1012.9 > > > 4.9 > > > 6/15/2008 1:11 > > > 093° > > > 280° > > > 15.4 > > > (-172°) > > > 169° > > > 5.8 > > > 33 52.149n > > > 120 09.059w > > > 1012.1 > > > 4.7 > > > 6/15/2008 6:17 > > > 072° > > > 281° > > > 9.7 > > > -151° > > > 154° > > > 5.2 > > > 33 54.568n > > > 119 34.174w > > > 1011.3 > > > 4.3 > > > 6/15/2008 12:11 > > > 092° > > > 245° > > > 9.3 > > > 152° > > > 152° > > > 5 > > > 33 46.989n > > > 119 01.340w > > > 1010.7 > > > 4.2 > > > 6/15/2008 17:39 > > > 093° > > > 238° > > > 9.6 > > > 145° > > > 153° > > > 5.3 > > > 33 39.150n > > > 118 28.599w > > > 1009.9 > > > 4 > > > Route distance > > > 1114.53nm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimal distance > > > 1226.15nm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimal route time > > > 7d 01h 29m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@ > > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:48 PM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > > > > > > > Or you can ship it? > > > > > > After reading your post once more, I see you are planning Long > > Beach as final location. > > > > > > Prepare for rounding Conception... We pass this point when we do > > the Coastal Cup... maybe 8 races through there. > > > > > > This passage is almost always a gear buster... when racing. so > > take it slow and safe. > > > > > > My first delivery back from Long Beach @ 1982, we had 60-80 knots > > of wind, and perfect storm waves. > > > > > > This is a place of reckoning if you are not prepared, there is no > > place to hide. Watch your position carefully so as to not get lee > > shored in rounding. > > > > > > It can also be gentle as a lamb.. but not normally. > > > > > > today's weather shows the overall scheme of things.. the > > compression and turning. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@ > > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made the trip 4 times on a Cal 40. Each time we had lots > of > > wind, except one trip. On that one trip, I had someone skipper the > > boat. They stuck to shore, gunk holed down, and had lots of > > failures. I finally "fired the crew" as after they made it to > Eureka > > California. Summary of failures: > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > Motored until out of fuel, sailed into Grey's Harbor. They > > also had the water intake clogged part of the trip and fried the > > engine head. (repairs and re-crew). > > > 2. > > > Had too much sail up and tore off the clew of the mainsail > > in an accidental jibe, tucked into Brookings for repair. (repairs > > and recrew). > > > 3. > > > Rough weather - sailors mutiny - pulled into Eureka to re- > > crew. > > > 4. > > > At this point I brought my seasoned crew into Eureka and > > delivered to SF. > > > > > > This can be a very windy trip or very light trip. When I do it, > > here's my approach: > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > Get the boat ready by fully inspecting Every Critical > > system. Have a life raft and REAL flares... read through PIYA > > offshore checklists, Category 1. > > > 2. > > > Run the boat system wise at the dock, a week prior to > > leaving, electrical charging etc. > > > 3. > > > Prepare to charge batteries morning and evening, for at > > least 1 hour, depending on you usage, we have to charge two hours > > (each) with our laptop use and water making. > > > 4. > > > Find Salty Crew - with no critical timetables, maybe 8-9 > > days minimum. > > > 5. > > > Carry spare meds if they need them, and make sure they have > > warm gear. > > > 6. > > > Provision the boat with fast high calorie food, only hot > > water to prepare, and high calorie snacks, plenty of sugar drinks > > (sugar makes you warm). > > > 7. > > > Carry sufficient fuel for 2 days of motoring. spare fuel > > filters, the tank will be stirred, and normal sediment will become > > dislodged. > > > 8. > > > You may spend 1/2 -to 3/4's of a day motoring out of the > > straits of Juan De Fuca.. think about refueling at Cape Flattery if > > this happens. > > > 9. > > > Carry at least two containers of spare fuel, in case your > > main tank gets contaminated. > > > 10. > > > Set-up your GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in case > > you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the harbor > > master office or fuel dock. > > > 11. > > > Set up your spare GPS with routes for all Safe Harbors, in > > case you need to bail out, put in waypoints all the way in to the > > harbor master office or fuel dock. > > > 12. > > > Write down the waypoints, so you have them as a back-up. > > > 13. > > > Have charts of all ports of possible entry. > > > 14. > > > Know the dial a buoy phone numbers, in case you are in cell > > range, you can get buoy weather reports. > > > 15. > > > Mark on your chart safe harbors and unsafe Harbors. > > > 16. > > > Monitor Weather hopefully for North westerly's, of moderate > > wind. > > > 17. > > > Once I pull the trigger to go, I plan to do the entire > > distance, and take this tactic for routing. > > > 18. > > > Say deeper than 200' to avoid crab pots > > > 19. > > > Once you get to California, make sure you are at least 50 > > miles offshore, more can be better to 300 miles. > > > 20. > > > I stay this far off, because of wave action, and in case I > > break down, giving me a few more hours to recover, before I hit the > > rocks. > > > 21. > > > Have at least one, preferably two driving compasses with a > > light. We used these in very rough storms, to maintain course, you > > can get turned around quickly once you are tired and wet, and after > > a big wave gets you. > > > 22. > > > Talk to every boat you see, and let them know your plans, to > > check-in, and get any other information available. > > > 23. > > > California typically the winds turn and accelerate down the > > coast, be ready for 60 knots of wind and 20-30 foot seas. (farther > > out, less possibility) > > > 24. > > > If you get over 25-30 knots take down the mainsail, you > > don't need it, and it can only kill you or break the boat... > usually > > more wind is on the way. > > > 25. > > > If you get the big winds, you should have a very small > > headsail up, maybe a Dacron 90% or smaller. Poly sails will blow > up. > > > 26. > > > Always wear your harness and life jackets with whistle, > > strobe light, and knife, > > > 27. > > > Breaking seas are not uncommon, have everything secure on > > deck, and companion ways closed, absolutely at night or storms. > > > 28. > > > Take a picture of your boat interior, turn it upside down, > > is everything secure? > > > 29. > > > Always have two people minimum up, make the watch sleep tied > > off in a bean bag, under a plastic tarp to stay warm/drier. > > > 30. > > > The bean bag is also a man overboard marker if you toss it. > > > 31. > > > Have very warm Sleeping bags > > > 32. > > > Always stay cool, calm and collected. > > > 33. > > > If something happens, take time to wind your watch, and come > > up with a sound plan. > > > 34. > > > Our boat saying is "Panic = death" > > > > > > Good luck, this is a thumbnail sketch of what we do, the full > list > > is much more exhaustive. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > dEmO > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of Fred Haas > > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:22 PM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Voyage Planning > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > Welcome to the list. > > > I'll second Tom's advice about creating a bigger time window for > > that trip. While I've never made it, I have some experience in > > planning and strategy. You're thinking about a long voyage, which > is > > in reality a series of small ones. Safe completion of the overall > > objective means successful completion of each segment. When you > > factor in the uncontrollable elements of weather, gear and crew > > failure, and the ever present Mr. Murphy, a hard time line becomes > > your worst enemy. Sailing literature is filled with tales of > > avoidable disasters which would not have occurred without the > > pressure of a fixed schedule. Time pressure leads to all sorts of > > poor decisions; sailing into questionable weather, not reducing > sail > > in a timely manner, short handed or overly long watches, entering > > strange harbors after dark... The list is endless. Yes, you need to > > move the boat, but the trip should be one to remember not for the > > horrors, but for the pleasure it gave you. If you don't have time > to > > do it in one shot, do it in steps. Move it to Astoria as one leg, > > come back and move it to Brookings on another, and so forth. Even > if > > you have to rent shoreside accomodations for a month or so, you'll > > be better prepared for the big push when it comes, and you'll have > > time to make it safely and pleasurably. > > > All of that advice was free, and worth every penny you paid for > > it. > > > I hope you'll join me and other Puget Sound Cal sailors on the > > weekend of the 21st for a summer rendezvous at Edmonds. Richard > > Anderson has set it up, See the ad in 48 Degrees, or email him at > > Richard@ . A couple of us from the South Sound are planning to > > meet Friday evening, the 20th, at Blakely Harbor. This will break > up > > a fairly long run into more manageable pieces. Where have I heard > > that before? Join us then if you like. > > > Fred Haas > > > 3-30 Nemesis > > > Tacoma > > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:16 PM, ltjgwyman wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is my first post on this group; hello to all. I'm > > planning a > > > voyage to move my 1970 Cal 29 (Gypsy Bumboat) from Puget > > Sound to Long > > > Beach, CA this October, and wonder if anyone here has made > > the voyage > > > or has some good advice. > > > > > >