Farymann Prop Size

I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if I can get an extra knot of speed.

More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com From: "franssell" <fr… [at] yahoo.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > >

Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. Harleigh Ewell From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of franssell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if I can get an extra knot of speed.

Thanks for the reply, It's a Cal 29, LOA 29 feet, the HP is 12hp and I'm not sure the transmission gear ratio. The max diameter is probably 12' so I was thinking about pitching up to 12 x 14 if the engine can handle it. Thanks for the help, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:11 AM More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedies el.com From: "franssell" <franssell@yahoo. com> To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > >

Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your-pants engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow the boat down. Thanks for the reply, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> wrote: From: Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. Harleigh Ewell From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of franssell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if I can get an extra knot of speed.

Frans, for a 24 foot LWL (I believe that is accurate) on the CAL 29, your flat water hull speed should be about 6.5 KN. How close to that do you come now? Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:28 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the reply, It's a Cal 29, LOA 29 feet, the HP is 12hp and I'm not sure the transmission gear ratio. The max diameter is probably 12' so I was thinking about pitching up to 12 x 14 if the engine can handle it. Thanks for the help, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:11 AM More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedies el.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "franssell" <franssell@yahoo. com <mailto:franssell%40yahoo.com> > To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > >

I think you're right. Hull should be 6.5 and I my current top speed is 4.5 knots using the Farymann. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:54 AM Frans, for a 24 foot LWL (I believe that is accurate) on the CAL 29, your flat water hull speed should be about 6.5 KN. How close to that do you come now? Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:28 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the reply, It's a Cal 29, LOA 29 feet, the HP is 12hp and I'm not sure the transmission gear ratio. The max diameter is probably 12' so I was thinking about pitching up to 12 x 14 if the engine can handle it. Thanks for the help, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:11 AM More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedies el.com From: "franssell" <franssell@yahoo. com> To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > >

Wow. I think my Nissan 8 outboard would push the boat as fast as that if there was a way to mount it. A couple obvious things. How is the bottom? Are you usually in sloppy water? Is the knotmeter accurate? If you GPS, is there a lot of current? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:02 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I think you're right. Hull should be 6.5 and I my current top speed is 4.5 knots using the Farymann. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:54 AM Frans, for a 24 foot LWL (I believe that is accurate) on the CAL 29, your flat water hull speed should be about 6.5 KN. How close to that do you come now? Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:28 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the reply, It's a Cal 29, LOA 29 feet, the HP is 12hp and I'm not sure the transmission gear ratio. The max diameter is probably 12' so I was thinking about pitching up to 12 x 14 if the engine can handle it. Thanks for the help, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:11 AM More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedies el.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "franssell" <franssell@yahoo. com <mailto:franssell%40yahoo.com> > To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > >

The bottom is ok and I have both a knot meter and GPS. These are both accurate. I actually have an outboard which can push the boat up to almost 7 knots. Its a 15 hp Mecury. But I like using the Farymann more because its much better on fuel. The outboard drinks over a gallon an hour. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:17 AM Wow. I think my Nissan 8 outboard would push the boat as fast as that if there was a way to mount it. A couple obvious things. How is the bottom? Are you usually in sloppy water? Is the knotmeter accurate? If you GPS, is there a lot of current? Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:02 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I think you're right. Hull should be 6.5 and I my current top speed is 4.5 knots using the Farymann. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:54 AM Frans, for a 24 foot LWL (I believe that is accurate) on the CAL 29, your flat water hull speed should be about 6.5 KN. How close to that do you come now? Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:28 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the reply, It's a Cal 29, LOA 29 feet, the HP is 12hp and I'm not sure the transmission gear ratio. The max diameter is probably 12' so I was thinking about pitching up to 12 x 14 if the engine can handle it. Thanks for the help, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:11 AM More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedies el.com From: "franssell" <franssell@yahoo. com> To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > >

gear ratio of the transmission and max rpms of the engine will be factors you'll need to know. You could be "over propped" already and need to reduce the pitch instead of increasing it. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: hu… [at] bah.comDate: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:17:17 -0400Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Wow. I think my Nissan 8 outboard would push the boat as fast as that if there was a way to mount it. A couple obvious things. How is the bottom? Are you usually in sloppy water? Is the knotmeter accurate? If you GPS, is there a lot of current? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frans SellSent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:02 AMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I think you're right. Hull should be 6.5 and I my current top speed is 4.5 knots using the Farymann. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop SizeTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:54 AM Frans, for a 24 foot LWL (I believe that is accurate) on the CAL 29, your flat water hull speed should be about 6.5 KN. How close to that do you come now? Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans SellSent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:28 AMTo: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the reply, It's a Cal 29, LOA 29 feet, the HP is 12hp and I'm not sure the transmission gear ratio. The max diameter is probably 12' so I was thinking about pitching up to 12 x 14 if the engine can handle it. Thanks for the help, Frans Sell--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <jedsail@mindspring. com>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop SizeTo: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comDate: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:11 AM More information is needed, such as the boat's waterline length, transmission reduction gear ratio, What HP @ what rpm, and max diameter prop that will fit the boat.Joe DeMersSound Marine Diesel LLCwww.soundmarinedies el.com----- Original Message ----- From: "franssell" <franssell@yahoo. com>To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AMSubject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size> I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a> Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if> I can get an extra knot of speed.>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>> -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG.> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM>>

You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the flywheel pulley. HE From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your-pants engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow the boat down. Thanks for the reply, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> wrote: From: Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. Harleigh Ewell From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of franssell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if I can get an extra knot of speed.

On our Cal 29 with the same farymann A30, we had the 12x12 also... We've changed to a 13"x 9p. Gained about a knot on that and the engine doesn't run as hard anymore. Our boat DOES have a Tech attached to the farymann, we cruise about 2200 RPM at 6 knots. Towing a heavy dinghy and loaded for week long trips with 4 people we get about 5.5 knots. Unloaded and out for just a day, no dinghy, we've been seeing about 6.5 knots. On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Harleigh Ewell wrote: > > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of > the flywheel pulley. > > > HE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Frans Sell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that > they don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- > pants engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right > it might slow the boat down. > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > Frans Sell > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it > full throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can > gain a little speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If > not, a higher pitch will probably slow you down. All assuming you > keep the diameter the same. > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup > s.com] On Behalf Offranssell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > > >

Richard, Thank you so much for your info. I'm going to try the 13 x 9 size prop at our next haul out. It sounds like you've solved the notorious underpowered Farymann issue. I'll let you know how it turns out. Frans --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Richard Anderson <ri… [at] ctyl.org> wrote: From: Richard Anderson <ri… [at] ctyl.org> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 8:28 AM On our Cal 29 with the same farymann A30, we had the 12x12 also... We've changed to a 13"x 9p. Gained about a knot on that and the engine doesn't run as hard anymore. Our boat DOES have a Tech attached to the farymann, we cruise about 2200 RPM at 6 knots. Towing a heavy dinghy and loaded for week long trips with 4 people we get about 5.5 knots. Unloaded and out for just a day, no dinghy, we've been seeing about 6.5 knots. On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Harleigh Ewell wrote: You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the flywheel pulley. HE From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans Sell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow the boat down. Thanks for the reply, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@comcast. net> wrote: From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@comcast. net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. Harleigh Ewell From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Offranssell Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if I can get an extra knot of speed.

do you have access to multiple prop sizes or unlimited funds? if not, you should get all the information about your drive system including max engine RPMs and transmission ratio, prop tip clearance to the hull,etc. then, send it via internet to the Michigan Wheel people or a major prop manufacturer and get recommendations on the correct prop for your application. It won't cost you anything and could save a lot of time and potential expense versus the trial-and-error method. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: fr… [at] yahoo.comDate: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:31:27 -0700Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Richard, Thank you so much for your info. I'm going to try the 13 x 9 size prop at our next haul out. It sounds like you've solved the notorious underpowered Farymann issue. I'll let you know how it turns out. Frans--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Richard Anderson <ri… [at] ctyl.org> wrote: From: Richard Anderson <ri… [at] ctyl.org>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop SizeTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 8:28 AM On our Cal 29 with the same farymann A30, we had the 12x12 also... We've changed to a 13"x 9p. Gained about a knot on that and the engine doesn't run as hard anymore. Our boat DOES have a Tech attached to the farymann, we cruise about 2200 RPM at 6 knots. Towing a heavy dinghy and loaded for week long trips with 4 people we get about 5.5 knots. Unloaded and out for just a day, no dinghy, we've been seeing about 6.5 knots. On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Harleigh Ewell wrote: You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the flywheel pulley. HE -----Original Message-----From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Frans SellSent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AMTo: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comSubject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow the boat down. Thanks for the reply, Frans Sell --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@comcast. net> wrote: From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@comcast. net>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop SizeTo: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comDate: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. Harleigh Ewell -----Original Message-----From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf OffranssellSent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AMTo: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if I can get an extra knot of speed.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> wrote: > Frans, Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let us know if you do change prop size how it goes. The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but as you say it's a guess without a tachometer... Nancy Lewis-Williams Windancer 2-27 Vashon Washington > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the > flywheel pulley. > > > > HE > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Frans Sell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your-pants > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow > the boat down. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > Frans Sell > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: > > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf Of franssell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. >

Nancy, I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. Frans Sell Laissez-Faire 2-29 Seattle, WA --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> wrote: > Frans, Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let us know if you do change prop size how it goes. The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . Nancy Lewis-Williams Windancer 2-27 Vashon Washington > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the > flywheel pulley. > > > > HE > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf > Of Frans Sell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow > the boat down. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > Frans Sell > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: > > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf Of franssell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. >

I have a 1989 CAL 28-2 with a 18 HP Yanmar. I purchased the boat in Charleston, SC and ran it up the ICW to Cape May , NJ. The GPS showed 711 nm. I averaged 5.6 knots. Most of the time I ran the engine at 2600/2700 rpm and the speed was 5.8 /6.0 knots thru the water. The boat came with a Martec 2 blade folder that did not have good response in reverse. I replaced it with a 3 blade Campbell Sailor 13x9. I am very happy with the Campbell Sailor prop. If you call or email Campbell they may have some experience with your boat/engine combination and be able to recommend a prop to suit your boat. Bert Pesak bj… [at] gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Frans Sell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size Nancy, I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. Frans Sell Laissez-Faire 2-29 Seattle, WA --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> wrote: > Frans, Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let us know if you do change prop size how it goes. The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . Nancy Lewis-Williams Windancer 2-27 Vashon Washington > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the > flywheel pulley. > > > > HE > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf > Of Frans Sell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow > the boat down. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > Frans Sell > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: > > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf Of franssell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. >

We found that an electric fuel pump and fresh fuel did the trick for our Farymann with a 12x12 prop. When we still had the A30, she'd run in the 4-5 knot range - maybe 3.5 against a light current. Changed the fuel pump to an electric, and with fresh fuel (how many years does it take a Farymann to burn 25 gallons?) it didn't take too much to be motoring with wet feet. Best, John Caldwell 1977 2-29 #966 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Frans Sell <franssell@...> wrote: > > Nancy, > I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. > > I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. > > Frans Sell > Laissez-Faire 2-29 > Seattle, WA > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jnnwill2@...> wrote: > > From: wnancy36 <jnnwill2@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM > > > > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@> wrote: > > Frans, > Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often > wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us > about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the > engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do > close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we > were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems > finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much > fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. > So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and > tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The > old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let > us know if you do change prop size how it goes. > The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but > as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . > Nancy Lewis-Williams > Windancer 2-27 > Vashon Washington >

John, That's really interesting, do you remember what type of electric pump you used? Frans --- On Fri, 7/18/08, John Caldwell <ja… [at] vel.net> wrote: From: John Caldwell <ja… [at] vel.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 6:37 AM We found that an electric fuel pump and fresh fuel did the trick for our Farymann with a 12x12 prop. When we still had the A30, she'd run in the 4-5 knot range - maybe 3.5 against a light current. Changed the fuel pump to an electric, and with fresh fuel (how many years does it take a Farymann to burn 25 gallons?) it didn't take too much to be motoring with wet feet. Best, John Caldwell 1977 2-29 #966 --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Frans Sell <franssell@. ..> wrote: > > Nancy, > I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. > > I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. > > Frans Sell > Laissez-Faire 2-29 > Seattle, WA > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jnnwill2@.. .> wrote: > > From: wnancy36 <jnnwill2@.. .> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM > > > > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@> wrote: > > Frans, > Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often > wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us > about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the > engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do > close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we > were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems > finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much > fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. > So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and > tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The > old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let > us know if you do change prop size how it goes. > The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but > as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . > Nancy Lewis-Williams > Windancer 2-27 > Vashon Washington >

Do you still have the martec? I would'nt mind replacing my 12x12 fixed with a folding if the price is right. From: Bert Pesak To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size I have a 1989 CAL 28-2 with a 18 HP Yanmar. I purchased the boat in Charleston, SC and ran it up the ICW to Cape May , NJ. The GPS showed 711 nm. I averaged 5.6 knots. Most of the time I ran the engine at 2600/2700 rpm and the speed was 5.8 /6.0 knots thru the water. The boat came with a Martec 2 blade folder that did not have good response in reverse. I replaced it with a 3 blade Campbell Sailor 13x9. I am very happy with the Campbell Sailor prop. If you call or email Campbell they may have some experience with your boat/engine combination and be able to recommend a prop to suit your boat. Bert Pesak bj… [at] gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Frans Sell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size Nancy, I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. Frans Sell Laissez-Faire 2-29 Seattle, WA --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> wrote: > Frans, Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let us know if you do change prop size how it goes. The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . Nancy Lewis-Williams Windancer 2-27 Vashon Washington > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the > flywheel pulley. > > > > HE > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf > Of Frans Sell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow > the boat down. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > Frans Sell > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: > > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf Of franssell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3280 (20080718) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Yes, I have the Martec. I don't know the Dia. or Pitch. I have not thought about selling it. Give me some time to think about it. Bert ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size Do you still have the martec? I would'nt mind replacing my 12x12 fixed with a folding if the price is right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bert Pesak To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size I have a 1989 CAL 28-2 with a 18 HP Yanmar. I purchased the boat in Charleston, SC and ran it up the ICW to Cape May , NJ. The GPS showed 711 nm. I averaged 5.6 knots. Most of the time I ran the engine at 2600/2700 rpm and the speed was 5.8 /6.0 knots thru the water. The boat came with a Martec 2 blade folder that did not have good response in reverse. I replaced it with a 3 blade Campbell Sailor 13x9. I am very happy with the Campbell Sailor prop. If you call or email Campbell they may have some experience with your boat/engine combination and be able to recommend a prop to suit your boat. Bert Pesak bj… [at] gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Frans Sell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size Nancy, I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. Frans Sell Laissez-Faire 2-29 Seattle, WA --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> wrote: > Frans, Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let us know if you do change prop size how it goes. The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . Nancy Lewis-Williams Windancer 2-27 Vashon Washington > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of the > flywheel pulley. > > > > HE > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf > Of Frans Sell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that they > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it might slow > the boat down. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > Frans Sell > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: > > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run it full > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a little > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher pitch will > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the same. > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf Of franssell > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see if > I can get an extra knot of speed. > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3280 (20080718) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Frans, I left out some of the details in my previous email.. The new 13x9 is a 2blade folding prop from Gori. We actually talked with Gori before ordering so they could help us pick a proper size and pitch. As I mentioned before our boat does have a tachometer so it's not to hard to see what that A30 is doing. We are extremely pleased with the Gori folding prop especially with the reduced drag under sail. Richard On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Frans Sell wrote: > > Nancy, > > I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann > wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We > stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I > was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up > to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive > feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual > and talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and > I'll let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed > to be had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for > you prior to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the > Farymann that need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. > > > I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will > say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more > sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a > fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. > > > Frans Sell > > Laissez-Faire 2-29 > > Seattle, WA > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: > > From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> > wrote: > > Frans, > Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often > wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us > about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the > engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do > close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we > were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems > finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much > fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. > So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and > tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The > old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let > us know if you do change prop size how it goes. > The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but > as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . > Nancy Lewis-Williams > Windancer 2-27 > Vashon Washington > > > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of > the > > flywheel pulley. > > > > > > > > HE > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of Frans Sell > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that > they > > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants > > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it > might slow > > the boat down. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > > > > > Frans Sell > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: > > > > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM > > > > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run > it full > > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a > little > > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher > pitch will > > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the > same. > > > > > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup > s.com] On > > Behalf Of franssell > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size > > > > > > > > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a > > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see > if > > I can get an extra knot of speed. > > > > > > >

It's just a basic 12v UL Approved fuel pump. I'll take a look on Saturday - I still have it laying around the boat. If the Farymann feels kind of slow or sluggish, and maybe you see some dark exhast, if you switch to an electric pump I'd also suggest that you check the fuel and tank. If the fuel in the tank is old and it looks like root beer after being polished then it's time for new fuel, and if you have the black steel tank be sure to have it cleaned before replacing old fuel if you haven't already. You might also want to see if the stock fuel filter has been removed or should be in favor of an in-line. Best, John --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Frans Sell <franssell@...> wrote: > > John, > That's really interesting, do you remember what type of electric pump you used? > > Frans >

I have a racor separator just before the Farymann, is this a fuel filter as well? and if so can the filter on the engine be removed to improve flow? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Caldwell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size) It's just a basic 12v UL Approved fuel pump. I'll take a look on Saturday - I still have it laying around the boat. If the Farymann feels kind of slow or sluggish, and maybe you see some dark exhast, if you switch to an electric pump I'd also suggest that you check the fuel and tank. If the fuel in the tank is old and it looks like root beer after being polished then it's time for new fuel, and if you have the black steel tank be sure to have it cleaned before replacing old fuel if you haven't already. You might also want to see if the stock fuel filter has been removed or should be in favor of an in-line. Best, John --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Frans Sell <franssell@...> wrote: > > John, > That's really interesting, do you remember what type of electric pump you used? > > Frans > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3282 (20080719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Gang I have been reading this thread on and off for a while. I would like to make a few comments. I had a R-30 for too many years in my Cal 2-34. 1. The fuel pump between the tank is used for 'lifting" the fuel to the engine's injector pump. There should be no performance gain with a electric pump. If fuel level (tank) was above the engine injector pump the lift pump wouldn't be needed. The injector pump is the power component not the lift pump. 2. Dirty fuel is the worst enemy to a Diesel engine. At one time I had three filters. A 35 micron,20 micron and a finish filter of 5 micron. After tank replacement I dropped the 35. Don't overlook dirty filter during trouble shooting. I use a vacuum gage to keep track of my filter condition. If vacuum increases, on the suction side of lift pump. I change the filter. 3. I preferred using only the engine driven lift pump for normal operations. I did have an electric pump for back up and for priming the system. One advantage to using the mechanical only is the engine will run without any electrical power. On a good day you hand crank a engine with dead batteries and run without any electrical power. 4. The correct way to check your engine output you must be able to determine engine RPM. As it has already been discussed you may have too much prop already. Just my .02 Chuck --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:36 PM I have a racor separator just before the Farymann, is this a fuel filter as well? and if so can the filter on the engine be removed to improve flow? From: John Caldwell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size) It's just a basic 12v UL Approved fuel pump. I'll take a look on Saturday - I still have it laying around the boat. If the Farymann feels kind of slow or sluggish, and maybe you see some dark exhast, if you switch to an electric pump I'd also suggest that you check the fuel and tank. If the fuel in the tank is old and it looks like root beer after being polished then it's time for new fuel, and if you have the black steel tank be sure to have it cleaned before replacing old fuel if you haven't already. You might also want to see if the stock fuel filter has been removed or should be in favor of an in-line. Best, John --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Frans Sell <franssell@. ..> wrote: > > John, > That's really interesting, do you remember what type of electric pump you used? > > Frans > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3282 (20080719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Hello Everyone I agree with Chuck My boat hs the A30 Farryman with stock pumps and the stock filter plus a Racor The tank has been replaced with a Tempo, The farryman is running great. The prop is a Martec 15x10 I plan to go to a 14x10 next haul I can get 6 knots the Farryman is low in power for our 2-29 it has no reserve power when against tide and chop. But the yellow demon just wont quit. When it does a 20hp at least will be in my boat Scott 2-29 Coyote Pt CA --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Chuck Lennox <le… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chuck Lennox <le… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:47 PM Gang I have been reading this thread on and off for a while. I would like to make a few comments. I had a R-30 for too many years in my Cal 2-34. 1. The fuel pump between the tank is used for 'lifting" the fuel to the engine's injector pump. There should be no performance gain with a electric pump. If fuel level (tank) was above the engine injector pump the lift pump wouldn't be needed. The injector pump is the power component not the lift pump. 2. Dirty fuel is the worst enemy to a Diesel engine. At one time I had three filters. A 35 micron,20 micron and a finish filter of 5 micron. After tank replacement I dropped the 35. Don't overlook dirty filter during trouble shooting. I use a vacuum gage to keep track of my filter condition. If vacuum increases, on the suction side of lift pump. I change the filter. 3. I preferred using only the engine driven lift pump for normal operations. I did have an electric pump for back up and for priming the system. One advantage to using the mechanical only is the engine will run without any electrical power. On a good day you hand crank a engine with dead batteries and run without any electrical power. 4. The correct way to check your engine output you must be able to determine engine RPM. As it has already been discussed you may have too much prop already. Just my .02 Chuck --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <masconsult@cox. net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <masconsult@cox. net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:36 PM I have a racor separator just before the Farymann, is this a fuel filter as well? and if so can the filter on the engine be removed to improve flow? From: John Caldwell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size) It's just a basic 12v UL Approved fuel pump. I'll take a look on Saturday - I still have it laying around the boat. If the Farymann feels kind of slow or sluggish, and maybe you see some dark exhast, if you switch to an electric pump I'd also suggest that you check the fuel and tank. If the fuel in the tank is old and it looks like root beer after being polished then it's time for new fuel, and if you have the black steel tank be sure to have it cleaned before replacing old fuel if you haven't already. You might also want to see if the stock fuel filter has been removed or should be in favor of an in-line. Best, John --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Frans Sell <franssell@. ..> wrote: > > John, > That's really interesting, do you remember what type of electric pump you used? > > Frans > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3282 (20080719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

My old fuel pump was tired and not supplying enough fuel. Since I couldn't find a rebuild kit for the pump, I went electric. With the 12x12 prop I didn't have any problems running against the tide or moderate currents. Best, John --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, scott <sscot12@...> wrote: > > Hello > Everyone > I agree with Chuck > My boat hs the A30 Farryman with stock pumps and the stock filter plus a Racor > The tank has been replaced with a Tempo, The farryman is running great. > > The prop is a Martec 15x10 I plan to go to a 14x10 next haul I can get 6 knots > the Farryman is low in power for our 2-29 it has no reserve power when against tide > and chop. > > But the yellow demon just wont quit. When it does a 20hp at least will be in my boat > > Scott > 2-29 Coyote Pt CA > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote: > > From: Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Electric Fuel Pump ( Was Farymann Prop Size)

Frans, Bag Fremont Call Seattle Propellor in Ballard. They are the Michigan dealer (distributor?) They were super at helping me get the right prop on Nemesis. They are also Tacoma Propellor , with whom I do a fair amount of business in my day job. I have never had a bad experience with them. I am running a Michigan "sailor" 16 X 13, I think, on Nemesis with a Universal 35 XPB. I can push 6.5 if I need to into any sea, but rarely do. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis x On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Frans Sell wrote: > Nancy, > > I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann > wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We > stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I > was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up > to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive > feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and > talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll > let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be > had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior > to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that > need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. > > > > I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will > say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more > sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a > fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. > > > > Frans Sell > > Laissez-Faire 2-29 > > Seattle, WA > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: >> From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM >> >> >> --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> >> wrote: >> > Frans, >> Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often >> wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us >> about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the >> engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do >> close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we >> were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems >> finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much >> fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. >> So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and >> tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The >> old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let >> us know if you do change prop size how it goes. >> The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but >> as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . >> Nancy Lewis-Williams >> Windancer 2-27 >> Vashon Washington >> >> > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of >> the >> > flywheel pulley. >> > >> > >> > >> > HE >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] >> On Behalf >> > Of Frans Sell >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM >> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that >> they >> > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants >> > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it >> might slow >> > the boat down. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks for the reply, >> > >> > >> > >> > Frans Sell >> > >> > >> > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: >> > >> > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> >> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size >> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM >> > >> > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run >> it full >> > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a >> little >> > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher >> pitch will >> > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the >> same. >> > >> > >> > >> > Harleigh Ewell >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup >> s.com] On >> > Behalf Of franssell >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM >> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a >> > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see >> if >> > I can get an extra knot of speed. >> > >> > > >

Fred, Thanks for the heads up. I will check with them once I get this process started. I appreciate the help. Frans --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Fred Haas <ol… [at] seanet.com> wrote: From: Fred Haas <ol… [at] seanet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 7:29 PM Frans, Bag Fremont Call Seattle Propellor in Ballard. They are the Michigan dealer (distributor?) They were super at helping me get the right prop on Nemesis. They are also Tacoma Propellor , with whom I do a fair amount of business in my day job. I have never had a bad experience with them. I am running a Michigan "sailor" 16 X 13, I think, on Nemesis with a Universal 35 XPB. I can push 6.5 if I need to into any sea, but rarely do. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis x On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Frans Sell wrote: > Nancy, > > I feel your pain, we had to start the outboard because the Farymann > wouldn't even push us through Agate Pass a couple of weeks ago. We > stood still at the red buoy with Farymann running at near max rpm. I > was glad to hear that Richard Anderson was able to get his Cal 29 up > to 5.5 knots with a 13 x 9 prop. After hearing all this positive > feedback I'm convinced there's hope. I'm going to check my manual and > talk to the prop shop in Fremont about the different sizes and I'll > let you know how this all works out. I think there's more speed to be > had for sure. However, I don't think I'll have any data for you prior > to your trip. I have some other pressing issues with the Farymann that > need tending to first. But when I do, I'll let you know. > > > > I'm really liking the results Richard has had with his boat. I will > say this, I've heard that you lose at least a half a knot or more > sailing with a non-folding three bladed prop. I was told this by a > fellow Cal 29 owner in Everett. > > > > Frans Sell > > Laissez-Faire 2-29 > > Seattle, WA > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> wrote: >> From: wnancy36 <jn… [at] juno.com> >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Farymann Prop Size >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:11 PM >> >> >> --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell@...> >> wrote: >> > Frans, >> Windancer (Cal 2-27) has a A30 Farymann also and I have often >> wondered about our prop which is a 3 blade 12 rh7. It pushes us >> about 5.5 knots usually, a little more if we really wind up the >> engine. Imagine our excitement when we discovered that we could do >> close to 7 knots with our new Honda 9.9 outboard (discovered when we >> were almost run down by one of Washington State Ferry systems >> finest). The down side is that the Honda gobbles over twice as much >> fuel per hour at cruising rpms as the inboard - like your Mercury. >> So we are working hard to get the new-to-us A30 fully running and >> tested before we leave for a couple of weeks in the San Juans. The >> old A30 with the same prop gave us about a 1/2 knot less speed. Let >> us know if you do change prop size how it goes. >> The shop manuals for the A30 tell me that cruising rpms is 2500 but >> as you say it's a guess without a tachometer.. . >> Nancy Lewis-Williams >> Windancer 2-27 >> Vashon Washington >> >> > You can get adjustable timing lights that will tell you the rpm of >> the >> > flywheel pulley. >> > >> > >> > >> > HE >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] >> On Behalf >> > Of Frans Sell >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:43 AM >> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks for the info, one of the problems with the Farymanns is that >> they >> > don't have a rpm gauge at all so it a matter of seat-of-your- pants >> > engineering. I think she can handle it but maybe you're right it >> might slow >> > the boat down. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks for the reply, >> > >> > >> > >> > Frans Sell >> > >> > >> > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> wrote: >> > >> > From: Harleigh Ewell <hewell@...> >> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size >> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:27 AM >> > >> > Find out what the maximum rated rpm is for your engine. Then run >> it full >> > throttle and see if it will exceed that rpm. If so, you can gain a >> little >> > speed at rated rpm with a prop with more pitch. If not, a higher >> pitch will >> > probably slow you down. All assuming you keep the diameter the >> same. >> > >> > >> > >> > Harleigh Ewell >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup >> s.com] On >> > Behalf Of franssell >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04 AM >> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Farymann Prop Size >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm curious if anyone has tried a prop larger than a 12 x 12 on a >> > Farymann A30? I'm thinking about switching mine to a 12 x 14 to see >> if >> > I can get an extra knot of speed. >> > >> > > >