Before Latex Gloves....

After a few days of bulkhead fiberglass work, I had one question...what did folks do before the advent of disposable latex gloves...those beauties and the cheap disposable brushes and the measured pump dispensers? I have epoxy residue on the smallest of inconvenient surfaces...my cell phone, all of my tool handles, my nice Lexan hatchway which used to be clear...drippings 6' away from where I was performing surgery! I have learned a lot with my first major fiberglass repair under the belt. I do not ever want to remove the main bulkhead again and I am eying the minor bulkheads with hesitation! What started out in a spreadsheet as an optimistic 30 day project has now approached 4 times that amount of time and I'm still not into the finish work which will most likely consume my winter months. Thanks again to Wilkie and the other postings. The internet has been a godsend for us amateurs. Because of the work, I sense that I have begun to earn the respect of my boat. I no longer look longingly at the new boat brochures and have finally understood what process and endless hours do to the understanding of being a sailor. It's sort of apprentice school, as I see it. OK, back to work. Just had to pass on early morning thoughts before I roll my sleeves up.

For it is written that one dab of 5200 or other sealer will expand to cover an entire county as it passes from finger to shirt to elbow to deck to shoe to dock and finally escapes into the world beyond. Epoxy would do the same thing except for the fact it dries quicker. A factor 4 is usually a pretty good multiplier for estimates of time and effort (and maybe $$). It is kind of like developing software. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Bibb Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves.... After a few days of bulkhead fiberglass work, I had one question...what did folks do before the advent of disposable latex gloves...those beauties and the cheap disposable brushes and the measured pump dispensers? I have epoxy residue on the smallest of inconvenient surfaces...my cell phone, all of my tool handles, my nice Lexan hatchway which used to be clear...drippings 6' away from where I was performing surgery! I have learned a lot with my first major fiberglass repair under the belt. I do not ever want to remove the main bulkhead again and I am eying the minor bulkheads with hesitation! What started out in a spreadsheet as an optimistic 30 day project has now approached 4 times that amount of time and I'm still not into the finish work which will most likely consume my winter months. Thanks again to Wilkie and the other postings. The internet has been a godsend for us amateurs. Because of the work, I sense that I have begun to earn the respect of my boat. I no longer look longingly at the new boat brochures and have finally understood what process and endless hours do to the understanding of being a sailor. It's sort of apprentice school, as I see it. OK, back to work. Just had to pass on early morning thoughts before I roll my sleeves up. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

James Bibb wrote: > > > > Because of the work, I sense that I have begun to earn the respect of > my boat. I no longer > look longingly at the new boat brochures and have finally understood > what process and > endless hours do to the understanding of being a sailor. It's sort of > apprentice school, as I > see it. > This is one of the wonderful aspects of being a sailor. There is so much to learn, so many different skills that pertain, so many opportunities for accomplishments. In addition to just being competent at making the boat go, and doing it safely, there are the challenges of maintenance, navigation, etiquette, history & tradition, etc. Chris Campbell

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > For it is written that one dab of 5200 or other sealer will expand to > cover an entire county as it passes from finger to shirt to elbow to > deck to shoe to dock and finally escapes into the world beyond. Epoxy > would do the same thing except for the fact it dries quicker. > The older of us on this list learned these lessons from what I tend to call "black roof-patch goop." That encompasses a variety of black bituminous/asphalt products used for installing or fixing roofs. They all share the characteristic of getting all over you and your surroundings, regardless of the care exercised. My Cal 20's boathook is a homemade affair derived from an old school-locker hook, some threaded rod bent into a U-shape, and a wooden handle. The handle was the handle from my roof-coating brush, which I retired when I sold the house with the flat garage roof. It sat waiting for duty in the new garage until the day I needed a boathook for the new sailboat, the used Cal 20, right now, pronto. So I made one with the handle & hook. Works fine!! Looked lousy!! Left black marks on whatever it got tossed against down below. Problem solved with a roll of white plastic tape, spiraled around the handle. But I still find black marks where 10-year-old roof goop smeared on the handle rubbed off on something else. There's probably a philosophical lesson about the persistence of evil here. Chris Campbell > >

wasn't it the standard rule that everything costs at least twice as much and takes at least three times as long as originally estimated? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: hu… [at] bah.comDate: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:09:21 -0400Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves.... For it is written that one dab of 5200 or other sealer will expand tocover an entire county as it passes from finger to shirt to elbow todeck to shoe to dock and finally escapes into the world beyond. Epoxywould do the same thing except for the fact it dries quicker.A factor 4 is usually a pretty good multiplier for estimates of time andeffort (and maybe $$). It is kind of like developing software.CheersCharlieAnnapolis-----Original Message-----From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of James BibbSent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:02 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves....After a few days of bulkhead fiberglass work, I had one question...whatdid folks do before the advent of disposable latex gloves...thosebeauties and the cheap disposable brushes and the measured pump dispensers? I have epoxy residue on thesmallest of inconvenient surfaces...my cell phone, all of my tool handles, my niceLexan hatchway which used to be clear...drippings 6' away from where Iwas performing surgery! I have learned a lot with my first major fiberglass repair under thebelt. I do not ever want to remove the main bulkhead again and I ameying the minor bulkheads with hesitation! What started out in a spreadsheet as an optimistic 30 day project hasnow approached 4 times that amount of time and I'm still not into thefinish work which will most likely consume my winter months. Thanks again to Wilkie and the other postings. The internet has been agodsend for us amateurs. Because of the work, I sense that I have begun to earn the respect of myboat. I no longer look longingly at the new boat brochures and havefinally understood what process and endless hours do to theunderstanding of being a sailor. It's sort of apprentice school, as Isee it. OK, back to work. Just had to pass on early morning thoughts before Iroll my sleeves up. ------------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links

Or, as Admiral Bobbie says, "Apply the Tom Factor, four times the cost and ten times the labor." After 26+ years she is a keen observer. Tom --- On Thu, 8/28/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] time and cost To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 3:01 PM wasn't it the standard rule that everything costs at least twice as much and takes at least three times as long as originally estimated? Reggie To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: husar_charlie@ bah.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:09:21 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves.... For it is written that one dab of 5200 or other sealer will expand to cover an entire county as it passes from finger to shirt to elbow to deck to shoe to dock and finally escapes into the world beyond. Epoxy would do the same thing except for the fact it dries quicker. A factor 4 is usually a pretty good multiplier for estimates of time and effort (and maybe $$). It is kind of like developing software. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of James Bibb Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:02 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves.... After a few days of bulkhead fiberglass work, I had one question...what did folks do before the advent of disposable latex gloves...those beauties and the cheap disposable brushes and the measured pump dispensers? I have epoxy residue on the smallest of inconvenient surfaces...my cell phone, all of my tool handles, my nice Lexan hatchway which used to be clear...drippings 6' away from where I was performing surgery! I have learned a lot with my first major fiberglass repair under the belt. I do not ever want to remove the main bulkhead again and I am eying the minor bulkheads with hesitation! What started out in a spreadsheet as an optimistic 30 day project has now approached 4 times that amount of time and I'm still not into the finish work which will most likely consume my winter months. Thanks again to Wilkie and the other postings. The internet has been a godsend for us amateurs. Because of the work, I sense that I have begun to earn the respect of my boat. I no longer look longingly at the new boat brochures and have finally understood what process and endless hours do to the understanding of being a sailor. It's sort of apprentice school, as I see it. OK, back to work. Just had to pass on early morning thoughts before I roll my sleeves up. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

And just like software releases, you often go sailing before the work is done.... td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Thu 8/28/2008 2:09 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves.... For it is written that one dab of 5200 or other sealer will expand to cover an entire county as it passes from finger to shirt to elbow to deck to shoe to dock and finally escapes into the world beyond. Epoxy would do the same thing except for the fact it dries quicker. A factor 4 is usually a pretty good multiplier for estimates of time and effort (and maybe $$). It is kind of like developing software. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Bibb Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Before Latex Gloves.... After a few days of bulkhead fiberglass work, I had one question...what did folks do before the advent of disposable latex gloves...those beauties and the cheap disposable brushes and the measured pump dispensers? I have epoxy residue on the smallest of inconvenient surfaces...my cell phone, all of my tool handles, my nice Lexan hatchway which used to be clear...drippings 6' away from where I was performing surgery! I have learned a lot with my first major fiberglass repair under the belt. I do not ever want to remove the main bulkhead again and I am eying the minor bulkheads with hesitation! What started out in a spreadsheet as an optimistic 30 day project has now approached 4 times that amount of time and I'm still not into the finish work which will most likely consume my winter months. Thanks again to Wilkie and the other postings. The internet has been a godsend for us amateurs. Because of the work, I sense that I have begun to earn the respect of my boat. I no longer look longingly at the new boat brochures and have finally understood what process and endless hours do to the understanding of being a sailor. It's sort of apprentice school, as I see it. OK, back to work. Just had to pass on early morning thoughts before I roll my sleeves up. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.