America's Cup Woes

Check it out: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Check it out: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp> > This is why I dislike spoiled rich people. Note the adjective before you think "class warfare." Some people have lots of money but play by the rules. Others are in a perpetual search for ego gratification or whatever you want to call it. There's something insidious about people who seek to win by spending lots of money. Others do it by being more skilled. The difference is often cast as "old money" vs "new money," but it probably reflects more of the personality of the person than the age of the fortune. Some people acquire great wealth by way of good ideas that they implement well and the money is a pleasant but not primary incident of the creative process. Others seem to do it by any means possible, as long as it allows them to shout "look at me" and "mine is bigger than yours" to all listeners. It's cool that somebody would want to have a very innovative, high-performance sailing craft. But to insist that you have a right to compete and win on your own terms is just narcissism. A couple years ago our schooner crew sailed on the Mystic Seaport schooner /Brilliant/. She was built for a rich guy and she won some races, not because he sued people but because the owner's concept and the designer's product and the yard's work were so perfect. Three quarters of a century later, both boat and designer are still sailing. The whole focus of the project was making a boat that sailed safely and with good speed in bad conditions. The focus was not on glorifying the owner, although I'm sure he found every bit as much pleasure in the success of his yacht as we all do in our own beloved craft. Chris Campbell

There had been something in the Oracle submission about being a 90' by 90' keel boat. The first judge let them off on that. After we stick a 25' deep keel with a ten ton lead submarine on its bottom of this contraption, it should really fly, straight to the bottom of the San Pedro Trench. Maybe then it can anchor the coast of Southern California and slow its steady progression north past the Aleutian Islands. What am I saying? But an America's cup battle in 60',70' or so beach cats would have been fun. A real destruction derby. Jerry --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Woes To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:39 AM Bruce Stirling wrote: Check it out: http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 08/31/business/ 31yacht.html? hp This is why I dislike spoiled rich people. Note the adjective before you think "class warfare." Some people have lots of money but play by the rules. Others are in a perpetual search for ego gratification or whatever you want to call it. There's something insidious about people who seek to win by spending lots of money. Others do it by being more skilled. The difference is often cast as "old money" vs "new money," but it probably reflects more of the personality of the person than the age of the fortune. Some people acquire great wealth by way of good ideas that they implement well and the money is a pleasant but not primary incident of the creative process. Others seem to do it by any means possible, as long as it allows them to shout "look at me" and "mine is bigger than yours" to all listeners. It's cool that somebody would want to have a very innovative, high-performance sailing craft. But to insist that you have a right to compete and win on your own terms is just narcissism. A couple years ago our schooner crew sailed on the Mystic Seaport schooner Brilliant. She was built for a rich guy and she won some races, not because he sued people but because the owner's concept and the designer's product and the yard's work were so perfect. Three quarters of a century later, both boat and designer are still sailing. The whole focus of the project was making a boat that sailed safely and with good speed in bad conditions. The focus was not on glorifying the owner, although I'm sure he found every bit as much pleasure in the success of his yacht as we all do in our own beloved craft. Chris Campbell

Larry Ellison will always be near the top of my "World's Worst Person" list. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Woes Bruce Stirling wrote: Check it out: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp> This is why I dislike spoiled rich people. Note the adjective before you think "class warfare." Some people have lots of money but play by the rules. Others are in a perpetual search for ego gratification or whatever you want to call it. There's something insidious about people who seek to win by spending lots of money. Others do it by being more skilled. The difference is often cast as "old money" vs "new money," but it probably reflects more of the personality of the person than the age of the fortune. Some people acquire great wealth by way of good ideas that they implement well and the money is a pleasant but not primary incident of the creative process. Others seem to do it by any means possible, as long as it allows them to shout "look at me" and "mine is bigger than yours" to all listeners. It's cool that somebody would want to have a very innovative, high-performance sailing craft. But to insist that you have a right to compete and win on your own terms is just narcissism. A couple years ago our schooner crew sailed on the Mystic Seaport schooner Brilliant. She was built for a rich guy and she won some races, not because he sued people but because the owner's concept and the designer's product and the yard's work were so perfect. Three quarters of a century later, both boat and designer are still sailing. The whole focus of the project was making a boat that sailed safely and with good speed in bad conditions. The focus was not on glorifying the owner, although I'm sure he found every bit as much pleasure in the success of his yacht as we all do in our own beloved craft. Chris Campbell

*It seems to me that it's just become about the money and not about the sailing. It's too bad they can't all have to sail the exact same boats... say like they were 100 years ago... of course, I know, I'm dreaming, but as it stands now, the AC sure doesn't seem that interesting to me. Marsh * Chris Campbell wrote: > Bruce Stirling wrote: >> >> Check it out: >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp> >> > > This is why I dislike spoiled rich people. Note the adjective before > you think "class warfare." Some people have lots of money but play by > the rules. Others are in a perpetual search for ego gratification or > whatever you want to call it. > > There's something insidious about people who seek to win by spending > lots of money. Others do it by being more skilled. > > The difference is often cast as "old money" vs "new money," but it > probably reflects more of the personality of the person than the age > of the fortune. Some people acquire great wealth by way of good ideas > that they implement well and the money is a pleasant but not primary > incident of the creative process. Others seem to do it by any means > possible, as long as it allows them to shout "look at me" and "mine is > bigger than yours" to all listeners. > > It's cool that somebody would want to have a very innovative, > high-performance sailing craft. But to insist that you have a right > to compete and win on your own terms is just narcissism. > > A couple years ago our schooner crew sailed on the Mystic Seaport > schooner /Brilliant/. She was built for a rich guy and she won some > races, not because he sued people but because the owner's concept and > the designer's product and the yard's work were so perfect. Three > quarters of a century later, both boat and designer are still > sailing. The whole focus of the project was making a boat that sailed > safely and with good speed in bad conditions. The focus was not on > glorifying the owner, although I'm sure he found every bit as much > pleasure in the success of his yacht as we all do in our own beloved > craft. > > Chris Campbell > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

WHY NOT SIMPLY HAVE A MULTI HULL AND MONOHULL CLASS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Woes It seems to me that it's just become about the money and not about the sailing. It's too bad they can't all have to sail the exact same boats... say like they were 100 years ago... of course, I know, I'm dreaming, but as it stands now, the AC sure doesn't seem that interesting to me. Marsh Chris Campbell wrote: Bruce Stirling wrote: Check it out: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp This is why I dislike spoiled rich people. Note the adjective before you think "class warfare." Some people have lots of money but play by the rules. Others are in a perpetual search for ego gratification or whatever you want to call it. There's something insidious about people who seek to win by spending lots of money. Others do it by being more skilled. The difference is often cast as "old money" vs "new money," but it probably reflects more of the personality of the person than the age of the fortune. Some people acquire great wealth by way of good ideas that they implement well and the money is a pleasant but not primary incident of the creative process. Others seem to do it by any means possible, as long as it allows them to shout "look at me" and "mine is bigger than yours" to all listeners. It's cool that somebody would want to have a very innovative, high-performance sailing craft. But to insist that you have a right to compete and win on your own terms is just narcissism. A couple years ago our schooner crew sailed on the Mystic Seaport schooner Brilliant. She was built for a rich guy and she won some races, not because he sued people but because the owner's concept and the designer's product and the yard's work were so perfect. Three quarters of a century later, both boat and designer are still sailing. The whole focus of the project was making a boat that sailed safely and with good speed in bad conditions. The focus was not on glorifying the owner, although I'm sure he found every bit as much pleasure in the success of his yacht as we all do in our own beloved craft. Chris Campbell -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3409 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Let them have their own race and let them call it what ever they want, they can even set there own course and let them argue over the course and quit wasting valuble court time on an issue that has no revelence. Cheating the ruile has always gauled me, I would rather sail an old dog with blowen sails and see how well I could do rather than buy my way to a win. PS call it the BUCKS CHALENGE and the trophe could be a guppe in a glass bowl made in China! From: Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 4:10 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Woes It seems to me that it's just become about the money and not about the sailing. It's too bad they can't all have to sail the exact same boats... say like they were 100 years ago... of course, I know, I'm dreaming, but as it stands now, the AC sure doesn't seem that interesting to me. Marsh Chris Campbell wrote: Bruce Stirling wrote: Check it out: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31yacht.html?hp This is why I dislike spoiled rich people. Note the adjective before you think "class warfare." Some people have lots of money but play by the rules. Others are in a perpetual search for ego gratification or whatever you want to call it. There's something insidious about people who seek to win by spending lots of money. Others do it by being more skilled. The difference is often cast a s "old money" vs "new money," but it probably reflects more of the personality of the person than the age of the fortune. Some people acquire great wealth by way of good ideas that they implement well and the money is a pleasant but not primary incident of the creative process. Others seem to do it by any means possible, as long as it allows them to shout "look at me" and "mine is bigger than yours" to all listeners. It's cool that somebody would want to have a very innovative, high-performance sailing craft. But to insist that you have a right to compete and win on your own terms is just narcissism. A couple years ago our schooner crew sailed on the Mystic Seaport schooner Brilliant. She was built for a rich guy and she won some races, not because he sued people but because the owner's concept and the designer's product and the yard's work were so perfect. Three quarters of a century later, both boat and designer are still sailing. The whole focus of the project was making a boat that sailed safely and with good speed in bad conditions. The focus was not on glorifying the owner, although I'm sure he found every bit as much pleasure in the success of his yacht as we all do in our own beloved craft. Chris Campbell -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) ¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ---------------------------- arsh Wise ebmaster: reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yours elf): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> 1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? ett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!