LED running lights

Cal sailors, I apologize for asking a question that's been kicked around before, but this is a seasonal concern for me--the days get shorter and my after-work sailing tends to extend into after-sundown hours. I'm wondering if there is a drop-in LED replacement for the standard bayonet base incandescent bulbs in my running lights. The goal is to avoid buying a big lead-acid storage battery for the Cal 20. Even a garden tractor battery is fairly pricey, and it has to be charged. Incandescents eat up battery capacity quickly. All I need power for is the running lights. If I had LED bulbs, I could use a little 12 v. lantern battery, or maybe make up a battery pack using rechargeable NiCad cells or whatever that newer rechargeable cell technology is. Those would be easy to cart home from the mooring in a backpack on my bicycle. Feasible? Suggested sources? By the way, as I typed the bicycle note, I was reminded again of how the little Cal 20 has cured me of the gripes over my job's burdens and low rate of pay. Not only do I have a very cool little boat, but she lies about a mile from my house, and I ride down to the dinghy's place on my bike after work. It is truly a wonderful way to live. My friends with much more money mostly commute long distances on stressful freeways and have little time for fun things like sailing. I am not prepared to trade places. Chris Campbell

Chris I replaced my Aqual Signal blubs with LED replacement blubs. They are made to fit the old bayonet fittings. Work great, draw zip amps. http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.htm?fno=400&group=851 I don't think WM carries them but most other chandleries do. Not cheap: $25 range, but should last. Mike Robinson Holiday Cal 36 #4 http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

Chris, Checkout http://www.doctorled.com/p2.htm also West Marine recently started stocking direct replacements. The important thing is to know the bulb numbers you want to replace. The energy savings are HUGE. On my Dinghy I use a portable jump start pack. it contains a gel cell and has a pair of beefy cables and alligator clips for jumping a car battery. There is a switch that energizes the cables. There is also a cigarette lighter receptacle which you can use to connect the pack to the boat. it weighs around 8 pounds. It can be fully recharged shore side with a brick AC adapter (recommended) or quickly but not fully recharged by plugging it into a 12V source. It also has a convenient led work light built in. It can power my GPS and automotive type stereo and nav lights for at least 12 hours. I think I paid 50-60 bucks for it at a consumer auto parts store about 2 years ago and is still going strong. I have jumped my car off with it but it's useless for starting a diesel auxiliary (85hp Perkins) or my genset. Charging off of the AC brick can take 12 hours or more. Wyatt S/V "Blythe Spirit" CAL 2-46 St. Pete From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:45 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights Cal sailors, I apologize for asking a question that's been kicked around before, but this is a seasonal concern for me--the days get shorter and my after-work sailing tends to extend into after-sundown hours. I'm wondering if there is a drop-in LED replacement for the standard bayonet base incandescent bulbs in my running lights. The goal is to avoid buying a big lead-acid storage battery for the Cal 20. Even a garden tractor battery is fairly pricey, and it has to be charged. Incandescents eat up battery capacity quickly. All I need power for is the running lights. If I had LED bulbs, I could use a little 12 v. lantern battery, or maybe make up a battery pack using rechargeable NiCad cells or whatever that newer rechargeable cell technology is. Those would be easy to cart home from the mooring in a backpack on my bicycle. Feasible? Suggested sources? By the way, as I typed the bicycle note, I was reminded again of how the little Cal 20 has cured me of the gripes over my job's burdens and low rate of pay. Not only do I have a very cool little boat, but she lies about a mile from my house, and I ride down to the dinghy's place on my bike after work. It is truly a wonderful way to live. My friends with much more money mostly commute long distances on stressful freeways and have little time for fun things like sailing. I am not prepared to trade places. Chris Campbell

Michael Robinson wrote: > > Chris I replaced my Aqual Signal blubs with LED replacement blubs. > They are made to fit the old bayonet fittings. Work great, draw zip amps. > _http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.htm?fno=400&group=851_ > <http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.htm?fno=400&group=851> > I don't think WM carries them but most other chandleries do. > Not cheap: $25 range, but should last. > Mike: Thanks for the suggestion. I went to the site and found the Polar Star 40 bayonet-base bulbs. If you have one of those bulbs sitting around (not in the fixture), I wonder if you could send the principal dimensions (especially width of the glass envelope, and height above the metal base). I've e-mailed the manufacturer for the info, but sometimes they aren't good at responding to inquiries. Thanks, Chris Campbell > >

Wyatt Hendricks wrote: > > Chris, > > Checkout http://www.doctorled.com/p2.htm > <http://www.doctorled.com/p2.htm> also West Marine recently started > stocking direct replacements. > > The important thing is to know the bulb numbers you want to replace. > > The energy savings are HUGE. > > On my Dinghy I use a portable jump start pack. it contains a gel cell > and has a pair of beefy cables and alligator clips for jumping a car > battery. There is a switch that energizes the cables. There is also a > cigarette lighter receptacle which you can use to connect the pack to > the boat. it weighs around 8 pounds. It can be fully recharged shore > side with a brick AC adapter (recommended) or quickly but not fully > recharged by plugging it into a 12V source. It also has a convenient > led work light built in. > > It can power my GPS and automotive type stereo and nav lights for at > least 12 hours. > > I think I paid 50-60 bucks for it at a consumer auto parts store about > 2 years ago and is still going strong. Wyatt: Thanks for this suggestion. I've been waiting for one of those jump-start packs to go on sale. One of our schooner captains has one that he uses to power the GPS ashore for crew training. If anybody can measure the Dr LED "Polar Star 40" bayonet base bulb, the width & height of the glass envelope, it would be helpful so I can determine if they will fit the fixtures on one or both of my boats. Chris Campbell > > I

Sorry but it is 42' above the deck (tri color). After looking more carefully at the link, I was a bit off on the recollection of price. Check with Defender and Fisheries Supply. Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: cl… [at] charterinternet.comDate: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:15:16 -0400Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights (Chris) Michael Robinson wrote: Chris I replaced my Aqual Signal blubs with LED replacement blubs. They are made to fit the old bayonet fittings. Work great, draw zip amps.http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.htm?fno=400&group=851I don't think WM carries them but most other chandleries do.Not cheap: $25 range, but should last. Mike: Thanks for the suggestion. I went to the site and found the Polar Star 40 bayonet-base bulbs.If you have one of those bulbs sitting around (not in the fixture), I wonder if you could send the principal dimensions (especially width of the glass envelope, and height above the metal base). I've e-mailed the manufacturer for the info, but sometimes they aren't good at responding to inquiries.Thanks,Chris Campbell Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

I would like to look into LED bulbs for the 4 lights in the main cabin of my '80 model 31 (built in late '79) (plus 2 in the V-berth). My first problem is figuring out how to take out the existing bulbs (i.e., push and turn, unscrew, pull out, etc.). The fixtures have swiveling reflectors maybe 3.5" in diameter that are pretty much filled up by the bulb. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31

thje running lights on my bow need attention. I'm thinking of replacing with complete new lights as the existing sockets are over a third of a century old and problematic. Recommendations for replacement running light assemblies? Reggie CAL 27 T/2 "Knot Ready"

Michael Robinson wrote: > > Sorry but it is 42' above the deck (tri color). After looking more > carefully at the link, I was a bit off on the recollection of price. > Check with Defender and Fisheries Supply. > What, you mean you're not planning to run up to masthead in a bosun's chair with a machinist's rule to measure for me? I'm devastated.... If anybody else has one of these Polar Star 40 bayonet base bulbs, please measure & holler out the dimensions of the glass envelope. Chris Campbell

speaking of dinghy running lights, who recommends what? Reggie

You mean dirty ones or ones that go on small boats? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:16 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] dinghy running lights speaking of dinghy running lights, who recommends what? Reggie

thanks, Charlie. I mean ones to use on our new-to-us rigid hulled inflatable dinghy. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: hu… [at] bah.comDate: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:18:59 -0400Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] dinghy running lights You mean dirty ones or ones that go on small boats? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r goodSent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:16 PMTo: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] dinghy running lights speaking of dinghy running lights, who recommends what?Reggie

Check out: http://www.innovativelight.com/battery-navigation-light_p_1471_11535_1.c fm Battery powered LED dinghy lights that float. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:16 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] dinghy running lights speaking of dinghy running lights, who recommends what? Reggie

I've read that if a LED is to go into a red or green running light the bulb should emit light that is the same color as the lens (e.g., green bulb with green light). As you would expect, stern lights, steaming lights, and anchor lights take a white bulb. Tricolor or red/green units should use a "warm" white bulb. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:15 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights (Chris) Michael Robinson wrote: Sorry but it is 42' above the deck (tri color). After looking more carefully at the link, I was a bit off on the recollection of price. Check with Defender and Fisheries Supply. What, you mean you're not planning to run up to masthead in a bosun's chair with a machinist's rule to measure for me? I'm devastated.... If anybody else has one of these Polar Star 40 bayonet base bulbs, please measure & holler out the dimensions of the glass envelope. Chris Campbell

On Wednesday 03 September 2008 13:45:05 Chris Campbell wrote: > Feasible? Suggested sources? Here in Ottawa the Seachoice line is new and all the rage as they run on batteries. See http://www.thechandleryonline.com:80//dept.asp?dept%5Fid=804 for a description. I'm sure you can find them at a local supplier, on the net or in the worst case order them from The Chandlery as they ship to the States. Replace the batteries with nicad or lithium rechargeables and hook up one of those old headlights we used to have on our bikes as kids that came with a wheel driven charger and charge them up on the way to the boat...:) Best of luck. -- /ch

Pops on the outboard. Batts last forever. http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|65136|295769| 320399&id=166455 > On Sep 3, 2008, at 16:31 , r good wrote: > >> thanks, Charlie. I mean ones to use on our new-to-us rigid hulled >> inflatable dinghy. >> Reggie >> >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] dinghy running lights >> >> speaking of dinghy running lights, who recommends what? >> Reggie >> > > \

Ahoy Shipmates! I've discovered the best web chandlery prices at: http://www.defender.com/ for example, that discounted price of $67 something for Aquasignal's combination steaming/deck light? Defender's prices is $53 something!! Check it out! I found it while doing research on some new running rigging for Shpritz. I found they had Sampson's performance yacht braid even beats West Marines price at a 30% discount. Remember when we went to West Marine for discount prices? Now you need to check with your local chandlery to see if West Marine is charging a fair price! Oh the price pain when one company tries to corner/monopolize the boat supply business! They have to cover the cost of multi page sale fliers I get twice a month? Back to message, I'm thinking of installing a bi-color on my bow pulpit/ stern lite on stern; ship skippers say it offers better see-ability, since a mast top light is more likely to get lost in shoreline light clutter. And my tri color amp sucker (35 watts) and my deck light sealed beam on the spreader (also 35 watts) seem to blow out every three years even tho I don't give them that much use...not to mention severe battery drain on overnight races. I'm also going to see if there are any LED bulbs available for some old fixtures that came with my boat. I could also put a smaller bulb in by tri-color. and there is a pricey LED for the Series 40 Tri-color, but lowering the mast to change bulbs, weight and windage up high, plus two heavy noisey romex cables inside the mast are some extra negatives. Jerry --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Chris H <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote: From: Chris H <ch… [at] magma.ca> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:13 PM On Wednesday 03 September 2008 13:45:05 Chris Campbell wrote: > Feasible? Suggested sources? Here in Ottawa the Seachoice line is new and all the rage as they run on batteries. See http://www.thechand leryonline. com:80//dept. asp?dept% 5Fid=804 for a description. I'm sure you can find them at a local supplier, on the net or in the worst case order them from The Chandlery as they ship to the States. Replace the batteries with nicad or lithium rechargeables and hook up one of those old headlights we used to have on our bikes as kids that came with a wheel driven charger and charge them up on the way to the boat...:) Best of luck. -- /ch

Chris: I cheated and read ahead to see that you've gotten good answers to your question...no dimensions yet, but otherwise good answers. Since this is going to cost you some money, in the long run you may be better off with a battery and small solar charging rig. I used such a setup on a West Wight Potter 19 for several years and do something very similar today, with 2 series 27 batteries. Check out Jack Rabbit Marine, which I found to be reasonable on price and exceptional on advice. Jon Myers Cal 29 "Bay Breeze" ballast for the Good Old Boat Regatta; Sabre 34 MkI #094 Swan Creek, MD From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:45 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights Cal sailors, I apologize for asking a question that's been kicked around before, but this is a seasonal concern for me--the days get shorter and my after-work sailing tends to extend into after-sundown hours. I'm wondering if there is a drop-in LED replacement for the standard bayonet base incandescent bulbs in my running lights. The goal is to avoid buying a big lead-acid storage battery for the Cal 20. Even a garden tractor battery is fairly pricey, and it has to be charged. Incandescents eat up battery capacity quickly. All I need power for is the running lights. If I had LED bulbs, I could use a little 12 v. lantern battery, or maybe make up a battery pack using rechargeable NiCad cells or whatever that newer rechargeable cell technology is. Those would be easy to cart home from the mooring in a backpack on my bicycle. Feasible? Suggested sources? By the way, as I typed the bicycle note, I was reminded again of how the little Cal 20 has cured me of the gripes over my job's burdens and low rate of pay. Not only do I have a very cool little boat, but she lies about a mile from my house, and I ride down to the dinghy's place on my bike after work. It is truly a wonderful way to live. My friends with much more money mostly commute long distances on stressful freeways and have little time for fun things like sailing. I am not prepared to trade places. Chris Campbell ----------------------------------------- ************************************************** This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon Corporation family of Companies. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank You. **************************************************

Unfortunately, Jack Rabbit Marine has closed abruptly... http://www.navagear.com/2008/08/whither-jack-rabbit-marine/ Chris Barszcz Wee Hope III Cal20

jo… [at] peco-energy.com wrote: > > Chris: > I cheated and read ahead to see that you've gotten good answers to > your question...no dimensions yet, but otherwise good answers. I e-mailed "Dr. LED," the manufacturer, and they e-mailed me back a jpg image of the lamp with dimensions. I'll attach it and see if it goes through to the list. This is the "Polar Star 40" lamp designed for the Aqua-Signal fixtures. Let me know if the attachment does not remain attached, and we can figure out some other way to deliver it. > Since this is going to cost you some money, in the long run you > may be better off with a battery and small solar charging rig. I used > such a setup on a West Wight Potter 19 for several years and do > something very similar today, with 2 series 27 batteries. My Seafarer boat has a deep-discharge marine battery for electronics and lighting. I rarely use it except for running the depth sounder occasionally, the VHF-FM for NOAA weather, the little stereo less often, and sometimes the lights. I have one of those little "battery maintainers" (carefully NOT claimed to be a charger) that they sell for car use, to sit on your dashboard at the airport. I made a mounting arrangement so I can stick it on the stern pulpit when the boat is moored. It plugs into the cockpit cigarette lighter outlet. It does a good job of offsetting the battery's self-discharge and recharging minor draw-downs, such as from using the sounder. If such a simple, unsophisticated device works as well as it does, a larger marine photovoltaic unit ought to be a real winner. Chris Campbell >

Thanks, Chris. Looks like the standard double bayonet. I wonder if they make mini-bayonets. Those are the standard running lights for CAL 25. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights jo… [at] peco-energy.com wrote: Chris: I cheated and read ahead to see that you've gotten good answers to your question...no dimensions yet, but otherwise good answers. I e-mailed "Dr. LED," the manufacturer, and they e-mailed me back a jpg image of the lamp with dimensions. I'll attach it and see if it goes through to the list. This is the "Polar Star 40" lamp designed for the Aqua-Signal fixtures. Let me know if the attachment does not remain attached, and we can figure out some other way to deliver it. Since this is going to cost you some money, in the long run you may be better off with a battery and small solar charging rig. I used such a setup on a West Wight Potter 19 for several years and do something very similar today, with 2 series 27 batteries. My Seafarer boat has a deep-discharge marine battery for electronics and lighting. I rarely use it except for running the depth sounder occasionally, the VHF-FM for NOAA weather, the little stereo less often, and sometimes the lights. I have one of those little "battery maintainers" (carefully NOT claimed to be a charger) that they sell for car use, to sit on your dashboard at the airport. I made a mounting arrangement so I can stick it on the stern pulpit when the boat is moored. It plugs into the cockpit cigarette lighter outlet. It does a good job of offsetting the battery's self-discharge and recharging minor draw-downs, such as from using the sounder. If such a simple, unsophisticated device works as well as it does, a larger marine photovoltaic unit ought to be a real winner. Chris Campbell

jo… [at] peco-energy.com wrote: > > Chris: > I cheated and read ahead to see that you've gotten good answers to > your question...no dimensions yet, but otherwise good answers. OK folks, doubting the efficacy of attachments, I posted the LED lamp drawing on the photos site. Chris Campbell >

Ditto Charlie's cogent (as usual) comment, Chris. Thanks. Sorry to hear Jack Rabbit Marine's "gone missing." Jon From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights jonathan.myers@ <mailto:jo… [at] peco-energy.com> peco-energy.com wrote: Chris: I cheated and read ahead to see that you've gotten good answers to your question...no dimensions yet, but otherwise good answers. I e-mailed "Dr. LED," the manufacturer, and they e-mailed me back a jpg image of the lamp with dimensions. I'll attach it and see if it goes through to the list. This is the "Polar Star 40" lamp designed for the Aqua-Signal fixtures. Let me know if the attachment does not remain attached, and we can figure out some other way to deliver it. 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Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Thanks, Chris. Looks like the standard double bayonet. I wonder if > they make mini-bayonets. Those are the standard running lights for > CAL 25. Note, please, that these appear to be the kind of bayonet with the offset (different height) little locking tabs in the base--the little bumps that lock the bulb in when you twist it. Some automotive bulbs have even-height things and some are different heights (like the combined brake/tail light bulbs, with filaments of different brightness, that must go in one way only). Here's the Dr. LED address, if you want to inquire about other bulbs. in… [at] DoctorLED.com. My hunch is that the only marine bulbs they have are the two models designed for Aqua-Signal fixtures, but it can't hurt to ask. I need to peek at the Cal 20 bulbs to see what kind of base they have. Chris Campbell >

perhaps a motorcycle or lawn tractor battery and a small flexible solar panel. R To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: jo… [at] peco-energy.comDate: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:14:10 -0400Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights Chris: I cheated and read ahead to see that you've gotten good answers to your question...no dimensions yet, but otherwise good answers. Since this is going to cost you some money, in the long run you may be better off with a battery and small solar charging rig. I used such a setup on a West Wight Potter 19 for several years and do something very similar today, with 2 series 27 batteries. Check out Jack Rabbit Marine, which I found to be reasonable on price and exceptional on advice. Jon Myers Cal 29 "Bay Breeze" ballast for the Good Old Boat Regatta; Sabre 34 MkI #094 Swan Creek, MD -----Original Message-----From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris CampbellSent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:45 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] LED running lights Cal sailors,I apologize for asking a question that's been kicked around before, but this is a seasonal concern for me--the days get shorter and my after-work sailing tends to extend into after-sundown hours. I'm wondering if there is a drop-in LED replacement for the standard bayonet base incandescent bulbs in my running lights.The goal is to avoid buying a big lead-acid storage battery for the Cal 20. Even a garden tractor battery is fairly pricey, and it has to be charged. Incandescents eat up battery capacity quickly. All I need power for is the running lights. If I had LED bulbs, I could use a little 12 v. lantern battery, or maybe make up a battery pack using rechargeable NiCad cells or whatever that newer rechargeable cell technology is. Those would be easy to cart home from the mooring in a backpack on my bicycle.Feasible? Suggested sources?By the way, as I typed the bicycle note, I was reminded again of how the little Cal 20 has cured me of the gripes over my job's burdens and low rate of pay. Not only do I have a very cool little boat, but she lies about a mile from my house, and I ride down to the dinghy's place on my bike after work. It is truly a wonderful way to live. My friends with much more money mostly commute long distances on stressful freeways and have little time for fun things like sailing. I am not prepared to trade places.Chris Campbell ************************************************** This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon Corporation family of Companies. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank You. **************************************************

On Thursday 04 September 2008 11:22:31 r good wrote: > perhaps a motorcycle or lawn tractor battery and a small flexible solar > panel. R On my small boat (CS22) I use a portable battery charger and just hook it up to the main panel leads. Then take it home at the end of the day to recharge in the vehicle via a cigarette lighter adapter or at home on a standard plug. Longest I've used it is for a week (in the evenings only) and unserviced and still had plenty of juice left. Nice and light too so its easy to lift out of the dingy. -- /ch