Fear Regatta two men overboard

Yesterday was the Holiday Harbor Marina sponsored "FEAR REGATTA" in San Pedro, CA. The wind was about 18-22 knots, 2-3' swell and some small white caps, a beautiful day with great sailing conditions. We were sailing with Stan on his Cal 29 Nefertiti and took first! There was a J 29 "Jolly J" who was also on the weather leg with crew hiking out as far as physically possible. We noticed that all of a sudden they turned off coarse to down wind and the jib came flying down. We continued to sail figuring that they had equipment failure or something and dropped out of the race. At the party after words it quickly became evident, two men went overboard! Cause: lifeline fitting failure. The boat had a single rope style lifeline and the fitting that connected to the stanchions failed. Both men suddenly went flying into the ocean. After interviewing both men, I discovered that either one were strong swimmers and became very tired in the 45 minutes that it took to bring them aboard. Non of the crew had life jackets, all of the crew had been drinking beer. One thing I asked them was if they had known how to float and one replied yes and the other no. The gentlemen who didn't know how to float indicated that he was getting very tired and there was nowhere for him to swim, since the boat kept changing directions and they had not reached any floating devices. I indicated to him that there is a floating technique called the "Survival Float" that can be used to survive even with broken arms and legs. He was not aware of the procedure. I indicated to him that I had been trained by an x navel frog man in this procedure during a scuba training coarse and it will save your life but only if you are conscious. And that knowing that I can survive in the water by survival floating and occasional treading to warm up, I still wear and inflatable PDF. Why? Because it increases my chances of survival in the event I am knocked out and tossed into the sea. He said that he had a WM 4000 at home but doesn't use it and that in the future he plans on using it and learning the survival float as well. After discussing this over the afternoon, it also turns out that the owner and helmsman was sitting on the leeward side while steering and was not even aware that the crew had gone over for a few minutes and that's on reason it took so long to get back to the men in the water. I asked if they had GPS? Yes. When they discovered the men were missing was the MOB initiated? Did not think so. This is an old story, and told much better by Randy, who was wearing an Auto PDF when he went into the sea. The one thing that I want to add to all of the other stories and summed up in two words "SURVIVAL FLOAT" LEARN THE SURVIVAL FLOAT LEARN THE SURVIVAL FLOAT LEARN THE SURVIVAL FLOAT! Mark Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro

I can second the recommendation. The technique was developed by Fred Lanoue and was taught to fliers in WWII and later. He was the swimming coach at Ga. Tech where his "Drownproofing" course was required PE for Freshmen. The first day we had to jump in the pool and stay afloat for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes everyone was getting pretty tired treading water. Then they taught us the method and followed the training with confidence-building exercises. First you did the exercise with your feet tied, then with your hands tied, then with both your hands and feet tied. You also learned to swim underwater, and to retrieve rings off the bottom of the pool. And the time limit went up, I think, to 20 or 30 minutes. After 20 minutes in the water with your hands and feet tied, we weren't nearly as tired as we were after treading water. Google "drownproofing" and check out the Wikipedia article.

Recently, I jumped into the water to refresh my skills and after the 1st hour, my entire leg went into a severe and debilitating cramp, no more practice this is the real test. After the second hour the cramp went away, I was not tired when I got out of the water, I simply got bored. My experience is that the survival float allows the person to rest in the water, and if your lucky and have use of your arms and legs, some easy motions will keep you a little warmer without getting tired. Don't get tired, learn to rest in the water. Recently, I again, put this survival technique to the test with my 11yr old daughter who could not swim a 1/2 width of the shallow end of an Olympic pool. In two days she was surviving in 12' of water for 10 minutes at a time and on the 3rd day 15 minutes. Her swimming came from having to stroke to the side of the pool. Day 3 before cutting her loose in the deep end she had to survive without tiring for 15 minutes. She also was now able to swim 15 widths of the deep end. She did this and could have survived for and hour or more and without getting tired. Can you do that? It only takes minutes to learn water confidence that will be with you the rest of your life. I am advocating this technique, because if it embeds into the mind of one MOB, his chances will be significantly improved. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: aw… [at] bellsouth.net To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) I can second the recommendation. The technique was developed by Fred Lanoue and was taught to fliers in WWII and later. He was the swimming coach at Ga. Tech where his "Drownproofing" course was required PE for Freshmen. The first day we had to jump in the pool and stay afloat for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes everyone was getting pretty tired treading water. Then they taught us the method and followed the training with confidence-building exercises. First you did the exercise with your feet tied, then with your hands tied, then with both your hands and feet tied. You also learned to swim underwater, and to retrieve rings off the bottom of the pool. And the time limit went up, I think, to 20 or 30 minutes. After 20 minutes in the water with your hands and feet tied, we weren't nearly as tired as we were after treading water. Google "drownproofing" and check out the Wikipedia article. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Please check out this site it has great detailed photos on the method. Mark http://www.drownproofing.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark)  Recently, I jumped into the water to refresh my skills and after the 1st hour, my entire leg went into a severe and debilitating cramp, no more practice this is the real test. After the second hour the cramp went away, I was not tired when I got out of the water, I simply got bored. My experience is that the survival float allows the person to rest in the water, and if your lucky and have use of your arms and legs, some easy motions will keep you a little warmer without getting tired. Don't get tired, learn to rest in the water. Recently, I again, put this survival technique to the test with my 11yr old daughter who could not swim a 1/2 width of the shallow end of an Olympic pool. In two days she was surviving in 12' of water for 10 minutes at a time and on the 3rd day 15 minutes. Her swimming came from having to stroke to the side of the pool. Day 3 before cutting her loose in the deep end she had to survive without tiring for 15 minutes. She also was now able to swim 15 widths of the deep end. She did this and could have survived for and hour or more and without getting tired. Can you do that? It only takes minutes to learn water confidence that will be with you the rest of your life. I am advocating this technique, because if it embeds into the mind of one MOB, his chances will be significantly improved. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: aw… [at] bellsouth.net To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) I can second the recommendation. The technique was developed by Fred Lanoue and was taught to fliers in WWII and later. He was the swimming coach at Ga. Tech where his "Drownproofing" course was required PE for Freshmen. The first day we had to jump in the pool and stay afloat for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes everyone was getting pretty tired treading water. Then they taught us the method and followed the training with confidence-building exercises. First you did the exercise with your feet tied, then with your hands tied, then with both your hands and feet tied. You also learned to swim underwater, and to retrieve rings off the bottom of the pool. And the time limit went up, I think, to 20 or 30 minutes. After 20 minutes in the water with your hands and feet tied, we weren't nearly as tired as we were after treading water. Google "drownproofing" and check out the Wikipedia article. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

OK, Guys What is this, the "dead man's float"? When I was in Pensacola in the flight program, we had to be able to tread water for twelve minutes with our hands and wrists above the water. One guy died doing this, he had a heart murmur and succeeded in hiding it from the Navy, he died of a heart attack. For me it was pretty easy, as I used to play goalie when our university team played water polo as a pre season conditioning exercise. For others they said it was the most stressful thing they had to do. For me, the one hundred fifty yard(?) shuttle run was the most difficult thing. Jerry --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:06 PM  Please check out this site it has great detailed photos on the method. Mark http://www.drownpro ofing.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark)  Recently, I jumped into the water to refresh my skills and after the 1st hour, my entire leg went into a severe and debilitating cramp, no more practice this is the real test. After the second hour the cramp went away, I was not tired when I got out of the water, I simply got bored. My experience is that the survival float allows the person to rest in the water, and if your lucky and have use of your arms and legs, some easy motions will keep you a little warmer without getting tired. Don't get tired, learn to rest in the water. Recently, I again, put this survival technique to the test with my 11yr old daughter who could not swim a 1/2 width of the shallow end of an Olympic pool. In two days she was surviving in 12' of water for 10 minutes at a time and on the 3rd day 15 minutes. Her swimming came from having to stroke to the side of the pool. Day 3 before cutting her loose in the deep end she had to survive without tiring for 15 minutes. She also was now able to swim 15 widths of the deep end. She did this and could have survived for and hour or more and without getting tired. Can you do that? It only takes minutes to learn water confidence that will be with you the rest of your life. I am advocating this technique, because if it embeds into the mind of one MOB, his chances will be significantly improved. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: awaschka@bellsouth. net To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com ; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) I can second the recommendation. The technique was developed by Fred Lanoue and was taught to fliers in WWII and later. He was the swimming coach at Ga. Tech where his "Drownproofing" course was required PE for Freshmen. The first day we had to jump in the pool and stay afloat for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes everyone was getting pretty tired treading water. Then they taught us the method and followed the training with confidence-building exercises. First you did the exercise with your feet tied, then with your hands tied, then with both your hands and feet tied. You also learned to swim underwater, and to retrieve rings off the bottom of the pool. And the time limit went up, I think, to 20 or 30 minutes. After 20 minutes in the water with your hands and feet tied, we weren't nearly as tired as we were after treading water. Google "drownproofing" and check out the Wikipedia article. Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Yeah, that's basically it. What we used to call the dead man's float, then about every 10-12 seconds, use no more energy than is necessary to lift your mouth out of the water to take a breath. You can pretty much stay in the water until hypothermia gets you. Al Waschka 1974 Cal-25 #1693, "Sweet Mart" 1985 Cal-33/2 #0026, "Short Wave" -------------- Original message from Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>: -------------- OK, Guys What is this, the "dead man's float"? When I was in Pensacola in the flight program, we had to be able to tread water for twelve minutes with our hands and wrists above the water. One guy died doing this, he had a heart murmur and succeeded in hiding it from the Navy, he died of a heart attack. For me it was pretty easy, as I used to play goalie when our university team played water polo as a pre season conditioning exercise. For others they said it was the most stressful thing they had to do. For me, the one hundred fifty yard(?) shuttle run was the most difficult thing. Jerry --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:06 PM  Please check out this site it has great detailed photos on the method. Mark http://www.drownpro ofing.com/ From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark)  Recently, I jumped into the water to refresh my skills and after the 1st hour, my entire leg went into a severe and debilitating cramp, no more practice this is the real test. After the second hour the cramp went away, I was not tired when I got out of the water, I simply got bored. My experience is that the survival float allows the person to rest in the water, and if your lucky and have use of your arms and legs, some easy motions will keep you a little warmer without getting tired. Don't get tired, learn to rest in the water. Recently, I again, put this survival technique to the test with my 11yr old daughter who could not swim a 1/2 width of the shallow end of an Olympic pool. In two days she was surviving in 12' of water for 10 minutes at a time and on the 3rd day 15 minutes. Her swimming came from having to stroke to the side of the pool. Day 3 before cutting her loose in the deep end she had to survive without tiring for 15 minutes. She also was now able to swim 15 widths of the deep end. She did this and could have survived for and hour or more and without getting tired. Can you do that? It only takes minutes to learn water confidence that will be with you the rest of your life. I am advocating this technique, because if it embeds into the mind of one MOB, his chances will be significantly improved. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: awaschka@bellsouth. net To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com ; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) I can second the recommendation. The technique was developed by Fred Lanoue and was taught to fliers in WWII and later. He was the swimming coach at Ga. Tech where his "Drownproofing" course was required PE for Freshmen. The first day we had to jump in the pool and stay afloat for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes everyone was getting pretty tired treading water. Then they taught us the method and followed the training with confidence-building exercises. First you did the exercise with your feet tied, then with your hands tied, then with both your hands and feet tied. You also learned to swim underwater, and to retrieve rings off the bottom of the pool. And the time limit went up, I think, to 20 or 30 minutes. After 20 minutes in the water with your hands and feet tied, we weren't nearly as tired as we were after treading water. Google "drownproofing" and check out the Wikipedia article. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

The below link explains that basically the survival float is the same as the deadmans float. According to the attached Marine's manual on surviving in the water, there is more than one way to accomplish the same. The information also indicates methods for those few that have a negative boyancy. http://www.ehow.com/how_6582_survival-float.html Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro Wear your PDF and Survival Float Advocate :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) OK, Guys What is this, the "dead man's float"? When I was in Pensacola in the flight program, we had to be able to tread water for twelve minutes with our hands and wrists above the water. One guy died doing this, he had a heart murmur and succeeded in hiding it from the Navy, he died of a heart attack. For me it was pretty easy, as I used to play goalie when our university team played water polo as a pre season conditioning exercise. For others they said it was the most stressful thing they had to do. For me, the one hundred fifty yard(?) shuttle run was the most difficult thing. Jerry --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:06 PM  Please check out this site it has great detailed photos on the method. Mark http://www.drownpro ofing.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark)  Recently, I jumped into the water to refresh my skills and after the 1st hour, my entire leg went into a severe and debilitating cramp, no more practice this is the real test. After the second hour the cramp went away, I was not tired when I got out of the water, I simply got bored. My experience is that the survival float allows the person to rest in the water, and if your lucky and have use of your arms and legs, some easy motions will keep you a little warmer without getting tired. Don't get tired, learn to rest in the water. Recently, I again, put this survival technique to the test with my 11yr old daughter who could not swim a 1/2 width of the shallow end of an Olympic pool. In two days she was surviving in 12' of water for 10 minutes at a time and on the 3rd day 15 minutes. Her swimming came from having to stroke to the side of the pool. Day 3 before cutting her loose in the deep end she had to survive without tiring for 15 minutes. She also was now able to swim 15 widths of the deep end. She did this and could have survived for and hour or more and without getting tired. Can you do that? It only takes minutes to learn water confidence that will be with you the rest of your life. I am advocating this technique, because if it embeds into the mind of one MOB, his chances will be significantly improved. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: awaschka@bellsouth. net To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com ; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) I can second the recommendation. The technique was developed by Fred Lanoue and was taught to fliers in WWII and later. He was the swimming coach at Ga. Tech where his "Drownproofing" course was required PE for Freshmen. The first day we had to jump in the pool and stay afloat for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes everyone was getting pretty tired treading water. Then they taught us the method and followed the training with confidence-building exercises. First you did the exercise with your feet tied, then with your hands tied, then with both your hands and feet tied. You also learned to swim underwater, and to retrieve rings off the bottom of the pool. And the time limit went up, I think, to 20 or 30 minutes. After 20 minutes in the water with your hands and feet tied, we weren't nearly as tired as we were after treading water. Google "drownproofing" and check out the Wikipedia article. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3424 (20080907) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I can see the advantage of having some kind of floatation device. Puting your head in cold water is a fast way to pass out from hypothermia. That's what I experienced swimming in Lake Tahoe, putting you head in the water felt like sticking your head inside a block of ice, it was painful! The secret of human flotation is holding air in your lungs, if you take deep breaths, then exhale and inhale quickly, you'll float as long as you conscious. The problem with the head is it's the heaviest part of our body, the more immersed in water it is, the easier it is to get the rest of your body up near the surface. It might help to learn efficient treading of water, using a a bicycle pedal scissors kick. Then it is easy to keep you head up without much effort. Check out some youtube videos of the USA vs. Hungary water polo match in the Peking Olympics, if there's anything there: the goalie gets his body out of the water past his waist to stop a shot. Next we should discuss ways to recover MOBs. I've read about the way you can lower the genoa in the water, with the hanks disconnected, have the MOB get on top of the sail cloth, and use the halyard winch to roll the MOB up on deck. I guess it might work with a spare sail and halyard as well, or even the main?. Jerry --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fear Regatta two men overboard (Mark) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 8:06 PM  The below link explains that basically the survival float is the same as the deadmans float. According to the attached Marine's manual on surviving in the water, there is more than one way to accomplish the same. The information also indicates methods for those few that have a negative boyancy. http://www.ehow. com/how_6582_ survival- float.html Mark Cal 2-29

markalan05 wrote: > > > > At the party after words it quickly became evident, two men went > overboard! Cause: lifeline fitting failure. The boat had a single > rope style lifeline and the fitting that connected to the stanchions > failed. Both men suddenly went flying into the ocean. After > interviewing both men, I discovered that either one were strong > swimmers and became very tired in the 45 minutes that it took to > bring them aboard. Non of the crew had life jackets, all of the crew > had been drinking beer. > I've become old enough to perceive that drinking beer and performing complex activities are not compatible. If you're racing in 18-22 knots, you shouldn't be drinking. Maybe it's OK if you're doing some recreational sailing on a sunny day in 8 knots (although I'd still rather wait for getting back ashore before bringing out the brew). Sailing is something that requires clear thinking and quick reactions. John Rousmaniere has said many times that the most dangerous item on a boat is the liquor locker. Many years ago I was called by a local powerboat owner to go on a nighttime search mission for some kids who'd gone missing in a Whaler. This skipper was known to enjoy a good drink as often as suitable (how do you say "liked a good party?"), but the booze didn't come out until we had returned to the pier. It was a good lesson. He was one of those power boat guys with many years' experience and lots of skill. As a kid, I drove and sailed after drinking. I thought I was careful and luckily never caused any harm. That was before my cousin was killed by a drunk driver, and the judge who gave me my oath as a lawyer was killed by a drunk driver, and I was hit by a drunk driver. Geez, I'm a slow learner, but eventually I caught on. I figured out why the best boaters I knew didn't drink while operating their vessels. I figured out why my Dad, whose job it was to patch together smashed bodies from car wrecks, never touched a drop if he had to drive. There's a middle ground between the radical prohibitionists and the drunks, and finding it involves some judgment about when it's appropriate to drink and when not. Chris Campbell

one of my old CALs has Perko aluminum portlights. Anyone know where I might find some for parts or to replace a couple of the 9 portlights on the boat? Reggie

I am interested in this also, I have not found direct replacements, except in brass @ $400.00 each. I am leaning towards Lewmar #1's they are a bit larger, and appear to be a more refined design, albeit a bit lighter in construction. Through Port Supply they are less than $200.00 each. I'm not sure what you mean by replacement parts, I know that the "o-ring" gaskets can be located, and the dogs and hinge pins can be replaced by common hardware. Mine have some broken flanges and hinge mounts, and after 42 years of service are ready for retirement. I'm also trying to get away from the half cup of water that pours in when the port is opened while underway. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:50 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] portlights one of my old CALs has Perko aluminum portlights. Anyone know where I might find some for parts or to replace a couple of the 9 portlights on the boat? Reggie

I have a couple with one side of one hinge broken off. They, as a group, are not pretty but are still functional. We've re-bedded several and replaced the seals. When finished, they don't leak and we have screens for most of them. Therefore, for the foreseeable future, we're using the ongoing maintenance regimen instead of the replacement regimen. if you replace yours, you may have found a market for the old ones. Rumor has it there is a CC36 in Pensacola which is going to be scrapped. (No, not mine! Do you think we would "Submit"???) We may be able to get some there. Reggie SV T/2 "Knot Ready" SV CC36 "Submit" To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ti… [at] ch2m.comDate: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:33 -0700Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights I am interested in this also, I have not found direct replacements, except in brass @ $400.00 each. I am leaning towards Lewmar #1's they are a bit larger, and appear to be a more refined design, albeit a bit lighter in construction. Through Port Supply they are less than $200.00 each. I'm not sure what you mean by replacement parts, I know that the "o-ring" gaskets can be located, and the dogs and hinge pins can be replaced by common hardware. Mine have some broken flanges and hinge mounts, and after 42 years of service are ready for retirement. I'm also trying to get away from the half cup of water that pours in when the port is opened while underway. Cheers, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r goodSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:50 AMTo: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] portlights one of my old CALs has Perko aluminum portlights. Anyone know where I might find some for parts or to replace a couple of the 9 portlights on the boat? Reggie

My book states that the Cal 36 and the cc 36 are the same: I =42 J= 14.5 P = 36.25 and E = 16.25. The Cal 40 I = 46 J = 15.5 P = 40 E = 15.5 Dave --- On Wed, 11/19/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 12:10 PM I have a couple with one side of one hinge broken off. They, as a group, are not pretty but are still functional. We've re-bedded several and replaced the seals. When finished, they don't leak and we have screens for most of them. Therefore, for the foreseeable future, we're using the ongoing maintenance regimen instead of the replacement regimen. if you replace yours, you may have found a market for the old ones. Rumor has it there is a CC36 in Pensacola which is going to be scrapped. (No, not mine! Do you think we would "Submit"???) We may be able to get some there. Reggie SV T/2 "Knot Ready" SV CC36 "Submit" To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:33 -0700 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights I am interested in this also, I have not found direct replacements, except in brass @ $400.00 each. I am leaning towards Lewmar #1's they are a bit larger, and appear to be a more refined design, albeit a bit lighter in construction. Through Port Supply they are less than $200.00 each. I'm not sure what you mean by replacement parts, I know that the "o-ring" gaskets can be located, and the dogs and hinge pins can be replaced by common hardware. Mine have some broken flanges and hinge mounts, and after 42 years of service are ready for retirement. I'm also trying to get away from the half cup of water that pours in when the port is opened while underway. Cheers, dEmO From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:50 AM To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] portlights one of my old CALs has Perko aluminum portlights. Anyone know where I might find some for parts or to replace a couple of the 9 portlights on the boat? Reggie

SOMEBODY STOLE 2 FEET OFF MY MAST!!!!!!!!! reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: dr… [at] yahoo.comDate: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:31:12 -0800Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights My book states that the Cal 36 and the cc 36 are the same: I =42 J= 14.5 P = 36.25 and E = 16.25. The Cal 40 I = 46 J = 15.5 P = 40 E = 15.5 Dave--- On Wed, 11/19/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlightsTo: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 12:10 PM I have a couple with one side of one hinge broken off. They, as a group, are not pretty but are still functional. We've re-bedded several and replaced the seals. When finished, they don't leak and we have screens for most of them. Therefore, for the foreseeable future, we're using the ongoing maintenance regimen instead of the replacement regimen. if you replace yours, you may have found a market for the old ones. Rumor has it there is a CC36 in Pensacola which is going to be scrapped. (No, not mine! Do you think we would "Submit"???) We may be able to get some there. ReggieSV T/2 "Knot Ready"SV CC36 "Submit" To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comFrom: timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.comDate: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:33 -0700Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights I am interested in this also, I have not found direct replacements, except in brass @ $400.00 each. I am leaning towards Lewmar #1's they are a bit larger, and appear to be a more refined design, albeit a bit lighter in construction. Through Port Supply they are less than $200.00 each. I'm not sure what you mean by replacement parts, I know that the "o-ring" gaskets can be located, and the dogs and hinge pins can be replaced by common hardware. Mine have some broken flanges and hinge mounts, and after 42 years of service are ready for retirement. I'm also trying to get away from the half cup of water that pours in when the port is opened while underway. Cheers, dEmO From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of r goodSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:50 AMTo: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] portlights one of my old CALs has Perko aluminum portlights. Anyone know where I might find some for parts or to replace a couple of the 9 portlights on the boat? Reggie

And 2 of your spreaders! Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:34 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] mast height SOMEBODY STOLE 2 FEET OFF MY MAST!!!!!!!!! reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: dr… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:31:12 -0800 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights My book states that the Cal 36 and the cc 36 are the same: I =42 J= 14.5 P = 36.25 and E = 16.25. The Cal 40 I = 46 J = 15.5 P = 40 E = 15.5 Dave --- On Wed, 11/19/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 12:10 PM I have a couple with one side of one hinge broken off. They, as a group, are not pretty but are still functional. We've re-bedded several and replaced the seals. When finished, they don't leak and we have screens for most of them. Therefore, for the foreseeable future, we're using the ongoing maintenance regimen instead of the replacement regimen. if you replace yours, you may have found a market for the old ones. Rumor has it there is a CC36 in Pensacola which is going to be scrapped. (No, not mine! Do you think we would "Submit"???) We may be able to get some there. Reggie SV T/2 "Knot Ready" SV CC36 "Submit" To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:33 -0700 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] portlights I am interested in this also, I have not found direct replacements, except in brass @ $400.00 each. I am leaning towards Lewmar #1's they are a bit larger, and appear to be a more refined design, albeit a bit lighter in construction. Through Port Supply they are less than $200.00 each. I'm not sure what you mean by replacement parts, I know that the "o-ring" gaskets can be located, and the dogs and hinge pins can be replaced by common hardware. Mine have some broken flanges and hinge mounts, and after 42 years of service are ready for retirement. I'm also trying to get away from the half cup of water that pours in when the port is opened while underway. Cheers, dEmO From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:50 AM To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] portlights one of my old CALs has Perko aluminum portlights. Anyone know where I might find some for parts or to replace a couple of the 9 portlights on the boat? Reggie

predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie

Reggie, You have us beat. Last night was Channel Islands Parade of Lights boat parade. We prepared our club entry for winds, predicted at 35 kts. All our preperation was for not. No matter how much shaking we did to our decorations the winds had the last say. Rudolf didn't make it thru the wind gusts during the day and Santa had to stay home for our entry this year. After all the wind, many boats showed up and participated in the parade. At one time the winds were up to 29 knots but died down after awhile. You just had to be quick when the boats came by, they were moving at 10 knots in order to keep control in the winds. It was still fun, you could hear thier music and some brave souls even stayed on deck, danced and sang carrol's. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel islands Ca --- On Sun, 12/14/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: mi… [at] celticnaut.org Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 2:17 PM predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie

Reggie I take it you not in florida? Chuck --- On Sun, 12/14/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: mi… [at] celticnaut.org Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 12:17 PM predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie

Just bought my tickets, Reg. Will we need any axes to break the ice? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:18 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: mi… [at] celticnaut.org Subject: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/ msgId=13081/stime=1220828819/nc1=4767085/nc2=3848627/nc3=4507179>

I hope you¹re serious, because I¹m all over it. Oh, wait.... I forgot that I had to mow the lawn this week. Sorry, Wilkie On 12/14/08 12:17 PM, "r good" <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 > degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? > > Reggie > > > > > > > >

wish we were. Missing "Submit". Reggie CAL Cruising 36 "Submit" CAL 27 T/2 "Knot Ready" To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: le… [at] yahoo.comDate: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:21:13 -0800Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! Reggie I take it you not in florida? Chuck--- On Sun, 12/14/08, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com>Subject: [Cal_Boats] weather or not!To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comCc: mi… [at] celticnaut.orgDate: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 12:17 PM predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie

Ha ha! You realize we still owe you a boat ride! you should plan on collecting! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: wi… [at] mariposasailing.comDate: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:39 -0800Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! I hope you’re serious, because I’m all over it. Oh, wait.... I forgot that I had to mow the lawn this week.Sorry,WilkieOn 12/14/08 12:17 PM, "r good" <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie

no. the foils double as skates! To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: hu… [at] bah.comDate: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:36 -0500Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! Just bought my tickets, Reg. Will we need any axes to break the ice? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r goodSent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:18 PMTo: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comCc: mi… [at] celticnaut.orgSubject: [Cal_Boats] weather or not! predicted low tonight, -14 to -21 degrees. tomorrow night? -16 to -23 degrees. high Monday? -5 degrees. sailing anyone? Reggie

Randy Alcorn wrote: > > Reggie, > > You have us beat. > > Last night was Channel Islands Parade of Lights boat parade. We > prepared our club entry for winds, predicted at 35 kts. > > All our preperation was for not. No matter how much shaking we did to > our decorations the winds had the last say. > > Rudolf didn't make it thru the wind gusts during the day and Santa had > to stay home for our entry this year. > > After all the wind, many boats showed up and participated in the > parade. At one time the winds were up to 29 knots but died down after > awhile. > Well, here in Michigan the winds are up to around 40 knots, depending upon where you are, and locally the temp is 10 deg. F., and I can assure you that nobody--nobody--is out on a sailboat on the Great Lakes. Too late for softwater sailing, too soon for iceboating. It's like being a teenager. I'm not sure what the wind gusts were early this morning, but I woke up just after 5 a.m. to hear the whole house creaking from the wind. My morning was supposed to start with a matter at 9 a.m. in a town 50 miles away, but all the schools in the region were closed because of the weather so I called in and said "I'm not coming." We had rain last night before the temp dropped so there's ice under the snow that came today. It's a great day to read boating magazines indoors in a warm place. Sadly, the furnace was out in my office so it doesn't qualify even with electric hearters running all over the place. Chris Campbell > > >

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Just bought my tickets, Reg. Will we need any axes to break the ice? > > Cheers > Charlie Well, I was catching up on my reading last night, and happened upon a report that our own Charlie Husar, he of the large Cal fleet, just hit one of those big birthdays ending in "0" sometime toward the end of the summer The first numeral is the one that follows 5. That means that I must regard him as a youngster. My theory is that sailing has some sort of mystical effect that suppresses chronological age, at least until the sailor goes ashore and reinstates the vanished years via the application of alcohol. Chris Campbell Frozen in Michigan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **