Re:FW: Cal 2-29

Chris, Charlie posted your question on the Cal email list, and I'd like to share some thoughts about the Cal 29. We owned a 1969 model for about 9 years, during which time we more or less rebuilt it from the keel up. So here are some random thoughts: 1. It's probably the biggest 29-foot sailboat that you'll find. (I don't include the modern "Clorox bottles" because I don't count them as sailboats.) It is fast, sails best when standing up (which tends to make the crew happier, and is built solidly. I'm 6'2" and could move around comfortably below. On the 2-29, you lose one of the torpedo tubes (pilot berths), but there's still room to sleep five if nobody brings extra clothes. 2. The long galley (which I think the 2-29 shares with the 29) is handy because more than one person can work at food prep at a time. The saloon is a comfortable place to hang out, and you can fit a lot of people around the table for drinks on a rainy evening. 3. The fin keel makes it very maneuverable, and it's a fast boat even at its age. It's fun to sail. The downside is that it may take a bit more effort to track straight than a full keel (but much less than a one-ton design cockleshell hull), but that shouldn't be a problem for coastal cruising. We had an old tiller autopilot that did a fine job under most conditions, and was a champ when motoring in light air (which is when I need an autopilot the most). It's easy enough to single hand, however, which I did on many occasions. It's also easy to balance the rig; just remember to reef sooner than you think you should. 4. The cockpit is huge and great for daysails or entertaining a crowd at anchor. I've always thought that the 2-29's wheel takes up more space than necessary, compared with the 29's tiller, but the swing of the tiller does make the crew move their legs more on tacking and maneuvering than they would with a wheel. It comes down to a matter of taste, I guess. 5. One weak point is the "dreaded beam": a transverse steel beam under the floor pan that supports the main bulkhead and distributes the forces of the upper shrouds. Be sure to inspect this part before purchase. It can be replaced - several of us on the Cal list have done it ourselves - but it's a chunk of work. 6. I also don't particularly like the forepeak. It can be hard to get into the berth (especially once you get into the second half of your first century, and tall like I am), and there's no lighting or ventilation once you close the doors to the head. (On our boat, we replaced all the bulkheads, and redesigned the forward one so that there was a door for the head that left an open passage between the forepeak and the main cabin.) 7. On the other hand, almost everything is readily accessible making it easy to work on the boat. Engine access is fairly good; there are certainly others that are far worse. We had the Atomic 4 which we loved, but I believe that most 2-29s came with diesels. The other normal issues apply, like make sure that the deck hardware is bedded properly, and water has not damaged the plywood core of the deck or cabin top, or leaked along the chainplates and damaged the bulkheads. The best thing is that the Cal list has a number of current and former Cal 29 owners, so there's a wealth of firsthand knowledge available if you want. I think that the Cal 29 is a great boat that is well suited for coastal crusing, and definitely worth a good look. If you have any questions, please let me know. Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 "Jambalaya"

Alfred- Thanks for the info. I believe we met at Good Old Boat? Chris Rogers From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Poor Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Rogers, Christopher C. Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29 Chris, Charlie posted your question on the Cal email list, and I'd like to share some thoughts about the Cal 29. We owned a 1969 model for about 9 years, during which time we more or less rebuilt it from the keel up. So here are some random thoughts: 1. It's probably the biggest 29-foot sailboat that you'll find. (I don't include the modern "Clorox bottles" because I don't count them as sailboats.) It is fast, sails best when standing up (which tends to make the crew happier, and is built solidly. I'm 6'2" and could move around comfortably below. On the 2-29, you lose one of the torpedo tubes (pilot berths), but there's still room to sleep five if nobody brings extra clothes. 2. The long galley (which I think the 2-29 shares with the 29) is handy because more than one person can work at food prep at a time. The saloon is a comfortable place to hang out, and you can fit a lot of people around the table for drinks on a rainy evening. 3. The fin keel makes it very maneuverable, and it's a fast boat even at its age. It's fun to sail. The downside is that it may take a bit more effort to track straight than a full keel (but much less than a one-ton design cockleshell hull), but that shouldn't be a problem for coastal cruising. We had an old tiller autopilot that did a fine job under most conditions, and was a champ when motoring in light air (which is when I need an autopilot the most). It's easy enough to single hand, however, which I did on many occasions. It's also easy to balance the rig; just remember to reef sooner than you think you should. 4. The cockpit is huge and great for daysails or entertaining a crowd at anchor. I've always thought that the 2-29's wheel takes up more space than necessary, compared with the 29's tiller, but the swing of the tiller does make the crew move their legs more on tacking and maneuvering than they would with a wheel. It comes down to a matter of taste, I guess. 5. One weak point is the "dreaded beam": a transverse steel beam under the floor pan that supports the main bulkhead and distributes the forces of the upper shrouds. Be sure to inspect this part before purchase. It can be replaced - several of us on the Cal list have done it ourselves - but it's a chunk of work. 6. I also don't particularly like the forepeak. It can be hard to get into the berth (especially once you get into the second half of your first century, and tall like I am), and there's no lighting or ventilation once you close the doors to the head. (On our boat, we replaced all the bulkheads, and redesigned the forward one so that there was a door for the head that left an open passage between the forepeak and the main cabin.) 7. On the other hand, almost everything is readily accessible making it easy to work on the boat. Engine access is fairly good; there are certainly others that are far worse. We had the Atomic 4 which we loved, but I believe that most 2-29s came with diesels. The other normal issues apply, like make sure that the deck hardware is bedded properly, and water has not damaged the plywood core of the deck or cabin top, or leaked along the chainplates and damaged the bulkheads. The best thing is that the Cal list has a number of current and former Cal 29 owners, so there's a wealth of firsthand knowledge available if you want. I think that the Cal 29 is a great boat that is well suited for coastal crusing, and definitely worth a good look. If you have any questions, please let me know. Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 "Jambalaya"

On Tuesday 23 December 2008 09:08:57 Alfred Poor wrote: > 6. I also don't particularly like the forepeak. It can be hard to get > into the berth (especially once you get into the second half of your first > century, and tall like I am), and there's no lighting or ventilation once > you close the doors to the head. (On our boat, we replaced all the > bulkheads, and redesigned the forward one so that there was a door for the > head that left an open passage between the forepeak and the main cabin.) This is something I was wondering about. Thanks both for clarifying the layout and the mod. Further when combined with Mariposa's toillet mod this would be rather sweet and free up storage space in the V-birth. The question I have is has anyone considered removing the sink across from the toilet (see attachment of the area) and converting that area into a storage area ie: hanging wet locker to add additional storage as on the 43 (see attachment), with drainage into the pan? Was wondering if there are any restrictions that would prevent such a mod. The way I figure it, one sink is enough, two is a a luxury, when coastal cruising. I suppose a sliding sink could be added above the tank if Mariposa's toilet mod were used. Which leads me to my final question. Anyone considered or used PEX to bring hot and cold water supply lines to fixtures. PEX is the name brand up here in the North under which the new plastic pipe is sold replacing copper in new residential construction. http://www.ppfahome.org/pex/faqpex.html Best regards and thanks -- /ch

Chris & All, Alfred speaks eloquently and is an authority on the venerable Cal 29 as you can tell. I removed the lav sink in the head and didn¹t re-install it when I did the dreaded beam and main bulkhead replacement. I figure I could put a flip or slide out sink later if I really missed it. I have not missed it at all, but really missed having a hanging locker with room at the bottom for boots, a drifter or what have you. I may add another opening in the bulkhead (similar to your 43 photo) that separates the hanging area from the head, but I may not. Another nice thing about my holding tank modification and my hanging locker divider is that it adds another level of stiffness to the boat. I¹ve attached a couple of views of this modification. I¹ve also uploaded them to the Mariposa folder on the group page if they get chopped off by the Yahoo server. I¹m very busy with out of town sons visiting but I¹ll try and join in as the discussion moves on. Wilkie On 12/23/08 2:58 PM, "Chris h" <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 23 December 2008 09:08:57 Alfred Poor wrote: > >> > 6. I also don't particularly like the forepeak. It can be hard to get >> > into the berth (especially once you get into the second half of your first >> > century, and tall like I am), and there's no lighting or ventilation once >> > you close the doors to the head. (On our boat, we replaced all the >> > bulkheads, and redesigned the forward one so that there was a door for the >> > head that left an open passage between the forepeak and the main cabin.) > > This is something I was wondering about. Thanks both for clarifying the layout > and the mod. Further when combined with Mariposa's toillet mod this would be > rather sweet and free up storage space in the V-birth. > > The question I have is has anyone considered removing the sink across from the > toilet (see attachment of the area) and converting that area into a storage > area ie: hanging wet locker to add additional storage as on the 43 (see > attachment), with drainage into the pan? > > Was wondering if there are any restrictions that would prevent such a mod. The > way I figure it, one sink is enough, two is a a luxury, when coastal > cruising. I suppose a sliding sink could be added above the tank if > Mariposa's toilet mod were used. > > Which leads me to my final question. Anyone considered or used PEX to bring > hot and cold water supply lines to fixtures. PEX is the name brand up here in > the North under which the new plastic pipe is sold replacing copper in new > residential construction. > > http://www.ppfahome.org/pex/faqpex.html > > Best regards and thanks

Alfred, I am 6'1 and agree with everything said here but I need correct something on the differences between the CAL 29 and 2-29 that is mentioned here? My CAL 2-29 hull number 512, has 2 quarter berths. My boat sleeps six. I tell everyone they have to sleep with thier bags. So they have to bring soft bags. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> wrote: From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Ch… [at] jhuapl.edu Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:08 AM Chris, Charlie posted your question on the Cal email list, and I’d like to share some thoughts about the Cal 29. We owned a 1969 model for about 9 years, during which time we more or less rebuilt it from the keel up. So here are some random thoughts: 1. It’s probably the biggest 29-foot sailboat that you’ll find. (I don’t include the modern “Clorox bottles” because I don’t count them as sailboats.) It is fast, sails best when standing up (which tends to make the crew happier, and is built solidly. I’m 6’2” and could move around comfortably below. On the 2-29, you lose one of the torpedo tubes (pilot berths), but there’s still room to sleep five if nobody brings extra clothes. 2. The long galley (which I think the 2-29 shares with the 29) is handy because more than one person can work at food prep at a time. The saloon is a comfortable place to hang out, and you can fit a lot of people around the table for drinks on a rainy evening. 3. The fin keel makes it very maneuverable, and it’s a fast boat even at its age. It’s fun to sail. The downside is that it may take a bit more effort to track straight than a full keel (but much less than a one-ton design cockleshell hull), but that shouldn’t be a problem for coastal cruising. We had an old tiller autopilot that did a fine job under most conditions, and was a champ when motoring in light air (which is when I need an autopilot the most). It’s easy enough to single hand, however, which I did on many occasions. It’s also easy to balance the rig; just remember to reef sooner than you think you should. 4. The cockpit is huge and great for daysails or entertaining a crowd at anchor. I’ve always thought that the 2-29’s wheel takes up more space than necessary, compared with the 29’s tiller, but the swing of the tiller does make the crew move their legs more on tacking and maneuvering than they would with a wheel. It comes down to a matter of taste, I guess. 5. One weak point is the “dreaded beam”: a transverse steel beam under the floor pan that supports the main bulkhead and distributes the forces of the upper shrouds. Be sure to inspect this part before purchase. It can be replaced — several of us on the Cal list have done it ourselves — but it’s a chunk of work. 6. I also don’t particularly like the forepeak. It can be hard to get into the berth (especially once you get into the second half of your first century, and tall like I am), and there’s no lighting or ventilation once you close the doors to the head. (On our boat, we replaced all the bulkheads, and redesigned the forward one so that there was a door for the head that left an open passage between the forepeak and the main cabin.) 7. On the other hand, almost everything is readily accessible making it easy to work on the boat. Engine access is fairly good; there are certainly others that are far worse. We had the Atomic 4 which we loved, but I believe that most 2-29s came with diesels. The other normal issues apply, like make sure that the deck hardware is bedded properly, and water has not damaged the plywood core of the deck or cabin top, or leaked along the chainplates and damaged the bulkheads. The best thing is that the Cal list has a number of current and former Cal 29 owners, so there’s a wealth of firsthand knowledge available if you want. I think that the Cal 29 is a great boat that is well suited for coastal crusing, and definitely worth a good look. If you have any questions, please let me know. Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

Chris, We have a ’87 cal 33. All the hot and cold water piping is made with the grey plastic pipe. They did use the reinforced clear plastic from the tank to the 3-way valve and pump, only because the location caused quick turns a bend so piping would be easier without a bunch of fittings. We have not had any problems or freezing issues. YMMV john

I would need to check to be positive, but I believe that the later Aloha's (such as mine) used PEX. I've had no problems. Any way, it is a grey, polyethylene pipe, (as opposed to PVC), just as is PEX, so what's in a brand name? td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Chris h Sent: Tue 12/23/2008 5:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29 Which leads me to my final question. Anyone considered or used PEX to bring hot and cold water supply lines to fixtures. PEX is the name brand up here in the North under which the new plastic pipe is sold replacing copper in new residential construction. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

DavidOwen wrote: > > > Chris & All, > > Alfred speaks eloquently and is an authority on the venerable Cal 29 > as you can tell. I removed the lav sink in the head and didn't > re-install it when I did the dreaded beam and main bulkhead > replacement. I figure I could put a flip or slide out sink later if I > really missed it. I have not missed it at all, but really missed > having a hanging locker with room at the bottom for boots, a drifter > or what have you. > > I may add another opening in the bulkhead (similar to your 43 photo) > that separates the hanging area from the head, but I may not. Another > nice thing about my holding tank modification and my hanging locker > divider is that it adds another level of stiffness to the boat. > > I've attached a couple of views of this modification. I've also > uploaded them to the Mariposa folder on the group page if they get > chopped off by the Yahoo server. > Wow, that is one elegant boat interior. Chris Campbell

On Monday 29 December 2008 09:11:09 you wrote: > I would need to check to be positive, but I believe that > the later Aloha's (such as mine) used PEX. I've had no > problems. Any way, it is a grey, polyethylene pipe, > (as opposed to PVC), just as is PEX, so what's in a brand > name? White/beige PEX flexable pipe is typically used for supply runs both hot and cold and gray is used for gray water. My concern is not so much with the pipe itself as with the compression fitting used as these are not marine grade AFAIK, and not sure if you can get marine grade. Was wondering how the fitting stand up. -- /ch

Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious gray tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore but the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I bought were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember the name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow and write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has been on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track record. Mike Chris h wrote: > > On Monday 29 December 2008 09:11:09 you wrote: > > I would need to check to be positive, but I believe that > > the later Aloha's (such as mine) used PEX. I've had no > > problems. Any way, it is a grey, polyethylene pipe, > > (as opposed to PVC), just as is PEX, so what's in a brand > > name? > > White/beige PEX flexable pipe is typically used for supply runs both > hot and > cold and gray is used for gray water. My concern is not so much with > the pipe > itself as with the compression fitting used as these are not marine grade > AFAIK, and not sure if you can get marine grade. Was wondering how the > fitting stand up. > > -- > /ch > >

On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote: > Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious gray > tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray > colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 > original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They > weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. > Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses all over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with PEX. They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad news as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' walls. The big problem was with the fittings. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore but > the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I bought > were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember the > name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow and > write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if > after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has been > on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track record. > Mike >

Thanks Mike! I'll do some research so that I have a leg to stand on when I tell the owner his water lines are leaching poison into the supply. Do you happen to have any references handy? This poor guy bought a lemon and has paid a lot of money to get it right and its just one thing after another. (A familiar story to every one on this list). On another note, /Celtic Naut/, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? Mike and Beth Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote: > > > Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious gray > > tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray > > colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 > > original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They > > weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. > > > Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses all > over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with PEX. > They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad news > as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some > years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' walls. > The big problem was with the fittings. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore but > > the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I bought > > were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember the > > name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow and > > write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if > > after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has been > > on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track record. > > Mike > > > >

On Tuesday 23 December 2008 22:07:46 DavidOwen wrote: > Chris & All, > > Alfred speaks eloquently and is an authority on the venerable Cal 29 as you > can tell. I removed the lav sink in the head and didn¹t re-install it when > I did the dreaded beam and main bulkhead replacement. I figure I could put > a flip or slide out sink later if I really missed it. I have not missed it > at all, but really missed having a hanging locker with room at the bottom > for boots, a drifter or what have you. All good information. Many thanks. One question if I may. Was wondering if raising the tank on port side resulted in any balance issues as in general the tank is low to the keel thereby distributing the max 150 lbs more evenly along the centerline of the vessel. The only drawback I can see after reviewing the drawing and pics is that now the weight is located amidship and on one side of the vessel. Has this caused any problems in terms of weight loads? No rush on any responses. Just wanted to get this one out before forgetting. Happy New Year to all and thanks for all the information. Its been greatly appreciated. -- /ch

If I go to metal you may have my teak! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: mi… [at] wahini.orgDate: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:25:47 -0600Subject: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) Thanks Mike!I'll do some research so that I have a leg to stand on when I tell the owner his water lines are leaching poison into the supply. Do you happen to have any references handy? This poor guy bought a lemon and has paid a lot of money to get it right and its just one thing after another. (A familiar story to every one on this list).On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum?Mike and BethMichael Kennedy wrote: On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote:> Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious gray > tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray > colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 > original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They > weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe.>Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses all over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with PEX. They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad news as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' walls. The big problem was with the fittings.Mike KennedyConquest Cal 40 # 96> The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore but > the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I bought > were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember the > name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow and > write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if > after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has been > on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track record.> Mike>

On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Michael McElhaney wrote: > Thanks Mike! > I'll do some research so that I have a leg to stand on when I tell > the owner his water lines are leaching poison into the supply. Do > you happen to have any references handy? This poor guy bought a > lemon and has paid a lot of money to get it right and its just one > thing after another. (A familiar story to every one on this list). > Do a google search on polybutylene and the class action suit will come up. We were too late to benefit but we got the house cheap because of the "bute" so it worked out OK. > > > On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new > toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her > classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? > I researched it and decided on teak. I have some photos on the web site. http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 We had the toe rail off and replaced it with a new one. Wendy Siegel took up her toe rail and sealed the joint, then put the same toe rail back down. It depends on the state of the teak. In our case. we did the job in the slip and it cost about 7 thousand for the demolition (old toe rail and bolts), sealing the joint and a new teak toe rail fabricated by a marine carpenter. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Mike and Beth > > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote: >> >> > Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious gray >> > tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray >> > colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 >> > original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They >> > weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. >> > >> Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses >> all >> over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with PEX. >> They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad >> news >> as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some >> years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' walls. >> The big problem was with the fittings. >> >> Mike Kennedy >> Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >> >> > The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore but >> > the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I >> bought >> > were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember the >> > name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow and >> > write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if >> > after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has been >> > on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track >> record. >> > Mike >> > >> > >

I've seen your site in the past and had forgotten you did the toerails also. It's going to be a labor intensive undertaking since you know all of those bolts are so conveniently located. The teak just looks nicer than the aluminum and since ours has lasted 40+ years, I think it would be fine to re use it. Thanks! Reggie, I was looking at /Submit/ a little bit ago and your toerail and rubrail look good except for needing some varnish. Sure there are a couple dings here and there but that just adds character or lacks sandpaper depending on your point of view. To add an aluminum toerail is going to involve the same labor that /Conquest/ needed for hers. I especially like the filling of all the holes and glass taping the joint. Is she really leaking that bad? I'm going to duck in to check during the next downpour for you. I'm going to do whatever it takes to drip proof our home! You know it only leaks on Beth's things? Why is that? How is it /my/ fault? Arrggh! Mike and Beth >> On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new >> toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her >> classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? >> >> > > I researched it and decided on teak. I have some photos on the web > site. http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > We had the toe rail off and replaced it with a new one. Wendy Siegel > took up her toe rail and sealed the joint, then put the same toe rail > back down. It depends on the state of the teak. In our case. we did > the job in the slip and it cost about 7 thousand for the demolition > (old toe rail and bolts), sealing the joint and a new teak toe rail > fabricated by a marine carpenter. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

We have a couple leaks which may or may not be toe rails. we have one scarf joint which could use some attention. I agree it is in pretty decent shape. I asked the question in case I ever remove it completely for some reason. At that point I might consider it to "modernize" the boat and eliminate some more maintenance. My current plan is only to add a midship cleat and fairlead, perhaps in the area of the scarf joint, thus eliminating most or all of it.......someday. and a boarding ladder, probably removeable? Many updates like this will wait until we are able to spend more time on the boat so I can do them myself or help/agravate the person doing them! Missing her! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: mi… [at] wahini.orgDate: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:17:58 -0600Subject: [Cal_Boats] Toe Rails (Was Poly-Butyl Pipe ) I've seen your site in the past and had forgotten you did the toerails also. It's going to be a labor intensive undertaking since you know all of those bolts are so conveniently located. The teak just looks nicer than the aluminum and since ours has lasted 40+ years, I think it would be fine to re use it. Thanks!Reggie, I was looking at Submit a little bit ago and your toerail and rubrail look good except for needing some varnish. Sure there are a couple dings here and there but that just adds character or lacks sandpaper depending on your point of view. To add an aluminum toerail is going to involve the same labor that Conquest needed for hers. I especially like the filling of all the holes and glass taping the joint. Is she really leaking that bad? I'm going to duck in to check during the next downpour for you.I'm going to do whatever it takes to drip proof our home! You know it only leaks on Beth's things? Why is that? How is it my fault? Arrggh!Mike and Beth On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? I researched it and decided on teak. I have some photos on the web site. http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 We had the toe rail off and replaced it with a new one. Wendy Siegel took up her toe rail and sealed the joint, then put the same toe rail back down. It depends on the state of the teak. In our case. we did the job in the slip and it cost about 7 thousand for the demolition (old toe rail and bolts), sealing the joint and a new teak toe rail fabricated by a marine carpenter. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Reggie, I got a good look at the starboard side where the scarf joint pulled itself away. You're right, it looks a little cruddy but I think it could be fixed with some (careful) brute force in the guise of C clamps and epoxy. Where are the suspect leaks so I can keep a lookout? Contact me off list so we don't clog everybody's inbox. Mike r good wrote: > > We have a couple leaks which may or may not be toe rails. we have one > scarf joint which could use some attention. I agree it is in pretty > decent shape. I asked the question in case I ever remove it > completely for some reason. At that point I might consider it to > "modernize" the boat and eliminate some more maintenance. > My current plan is only to add a midship cleat and fairlead, perhaps > in the area of the scarf joint, thus eliminating most or all of > it.......someday. > and a boarding ladder, probably removeable? > Many updates like this will wait until we are able to spend more time > on the boat so I can do them myself or help/agravate the person doing > them! > Missing her! > Reggie > > .

Mike, I looked at your blog about the restoration and it's impressive! I really would love to do something similar with our 2-29, especially refreshing the interior and exterior paint and re-wiring the boat bow to stern. It will probably be a while before we get there. Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know I enjoyed the writeup. Richard Anderson 1975 Cal 2-29 "Sleipnir" Everett, WA ri… [at] ctyl.org On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote: > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Michael McElhaney wrote: > >> Thanks Mike! >> I'll do some research so that I have a leg to stand on when I tell >> the owner his water lines are leaching poison into the supply. Do >> you happen to have any references handy? This poor guy bought a >> lemon and has paid a lot of money to get it right and its just one >> thing after another. (A familiar story to every one on this list). >> > > Do a google search on polybutylene and the class action suit will come > up. We were too late to benefit but we got the house cheap because of > the "bute" so it worked out OK. >> >> >> On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new >> toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her >> classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? >> > > I researched it and decided on teak. I have some photos on the web > site. http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > We had the toe rail off and replaced it with a new one. Wendy Siegel > took up her toe rail and sealed the joint, then put the same toe rail > back down. It depends on the state of the teak. In our case. we did > the job in the slip and it cost about 7 thousand for the demolition > (old toe rail and bolts), sealing the joint and a new teak toe rail > fabricated by a marine carpenter. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >> >> Mike and Beth >> >> Michael Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote: >>> >>>> Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious gray >>>> tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray >>>> colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 >>>> original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They >>>> weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. >>>> >>> Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses >>> all >>> over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with PEX. >>> They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad >>> news >>> as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some >>> years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' walls. >>> The big problem was with the fittings. >>> >>> Mike Kennedy >>> Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >>> >>>> The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore but >>>> the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I >>> bought >>>> were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember the >>>> name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow and >>>> write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if >>>> after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has been >>>> on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track >>> record. >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

On Thursday 01 January 2009 18:24:33 Richard Anderson wrote: > Mike, > > I looked at your blog about the restoration and it's impressive! I > really would love to do something similar with our 2-29, especially > refreshing the interior and exterior paint and re-wiring the boat bow > to stern. It will probably be a while before we get there. Anyway, I > just thought I'd let you know I enjoyed the writeup. All these on-line resources are just great. So much planing can be done during the winter months. Two things I have not been able to track down on-line however are the original wiring and plumbing schematics for the 2-29. The plumbing one I can understand due to the variations possible but if anyone has a wiring drawing and would care to upload it to the files section, it sure would be appreciated at this end. Best regards and as always, thanks -- /ch

There is a great Cal 29 site that I have a link to on the blog main page. Mike http://www.mariposasailing.com/Replacement.html That is the site. http://www.user.dccnet.com/rdarcy/calstart.html This is another good Cal 29 site. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Richard Anderson wrote: > Mike, > > I looked at your blog about the restoration and it's impressive! I > really would love to do something similar with our 2-29, especially > refreshing the interior and exterior paint and re-wiring the boat bow > to stern. It will probably be a while before we get there. Anyway, I > just thought I'd let you know I enjoyed the writeup. > > Richard Anderson > 1975 Cal 2-29 "Sleipnir" > Everett, WA > ri… [at] ctyl.org > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Michael McElhaney wrote: > > > >> Thanks Mike! > >> I'll do some research so that I have a leg to stand on when I tell > >> the owner his water lines are leaching poison into the supply. Do > >> you happen to have any references handy? This poor guy bought a > >> lemon and has paid a lot of money to get it right and its just one > >> thing after another. (A familiar story to every one on this list). > >> > > > > Do a google search on polybutylene and the class action suit will > come > > up. We were too late to benefit but we got the house cheap because > of > > the "bute" so it worked out OK. > >> > >> > >> On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new > >> toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her > >> classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? > >> > > > > I researched it and decided on teak. I have some photos on the web > > site. http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > > > We had the toe rail off and replaced it with a new one. Wendy Siegel > > took up her toe rail and sealed the joint, then put the same toe > rail > > back down. It depends on the state of the teak. In our case. we did > > the job in the slip and it cost about 7 thousand for the demolition > > (old toe rail and bolts), sealing the joint and a new teak toe rail > > fabricated by a marine carpenter. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > >> > >> Mike and Beth > >> > >> Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious > gray > >>>> tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray > >>>> colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 > >>>> original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They > >>>> weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. > >>>> > >>> Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses > >>> all > >>> over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with > PEX. > >>> They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad > >>> news > >>> as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some > >>> years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' > walls. > >>> The big problem was with the fittings. > >>> > >>> Mike Kennedy > >>> Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > >>> > >>>> The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore > but > >>>> the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I > >>> bought > >>>> were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember > the > >>>> name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow > and > >>>> write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if > >>>> after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has > been > >>>> on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track > >>> record. > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram (crude) in it.. http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote: > There is a great Cal 29 site that I have a link to on the blog main > page. > > Mike > > http://www.mariposasailing.com/Replacement.html > > That is the site. > > http://www.user.dccnet.com/rdarcy/calstart.html > > This is another good Cal 29 site. > > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Richard Anderson wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> I looked at your blog about the restoration and it's impressive! I >> really would love to do something similar with our 2-29, especially >> refreshing the interior and exterior paint and re-wiring the boat bow >> to stern. It will probably be a while before we get there. Anyway, I >> just thought I'd let you know I enjoyed the writeup. >> >> Richard Anderson >> 1975 Cal 2-29 "Sleipnir" >> Everett, WA >> ri… [at] ctyl.org >> >> On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Michael McElhaney wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Mike! >>>> I'll do some research so that I have a leg to stand on when I tell >>>> the owner his water lines are leaching poison into the supply. Do >>>> you happen to have any references handy? This poor guy bought a >>>> lemon and has paid a lot of money to get it right and its just one >>>> thing after another. (A familiar story to every one on this list). >>>> >>> >>> Do a google search on polybutylene and the class action suit will >> come >>> up. We were too late to benefit but we got the house cheap because >> of >>> the "bute" so it worked out OK. >>>> >>>> >>>> On another note, Celtic Naut, our Cal-40 is in dire need of a new >>>> toe rail. I like the aesthetics of teak and would like to keep her >>>> classic look, but what is your opinion on aluminum? >>>> >>> >>> I researched it and decided on teak. I have some photos on the web >>> site. http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 >>> >>> We had the toe rail off and replaced it with a new one. Wendy Siegel >>> took up her toe rail and sealed the joint, then put the same toe >> rail >>> back down. It depends on the state of the teak. In our case. we did >>> the job in the slip and it cost about 7 thousand for the demolition >>> (old toe rail and bolts), sealing the joint and a new teak toe rail >>> fabricated by a marine carpenter. >>> >>> Mike Kennedy >>> Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >>>> >>>> Mike and Beth >>>> >>>> Michael Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael McElhaney wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey folks! Just noticed you were talking about PEX, mysterious >> gray >>>>>> tubes and such. I am working on a 1978 Morgan 39 that has gray >>>>>> colored water lines run throughout the boat and had to replace 3 >>>>>> original fittings and a valve. They dried out and cracked. They >>>>>> weren't PVC or PEX. I believe they were called polybutylene pipe. >>>>>> >>>>> Polybutylene is bad stuff. There were polybutylene equipped houses >>>>> all >>>>> over Arizona. We bought one and replaced all the plumbing with >> PEX. >>>>> They were notorious for fitting failure, which in a house, is bad >>>>> news >>>>> as it will flood the place. There was a big class action suit some >>>>> years ago and all "bute" is gone except in unwary homeowners' >> walls. >>>>> The big problem was with the fittings. >>>>> >>>>> Mike Kennedy >>>>> Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >>>>> >>>>>> The guy at the hardware store said they didn't make it anymore >> but >>>>>> the PEX was a suitable sub. Anyway the compression fittings I >>>>> bought >>>>>> were all plastic and suitable for marine use. I can't remember >> the >>>>>> name of the company that made them but I will find out tomorrow >> and >>>>>> write back. The parts that were broken were all original. So, if >>>>>> after 30 years 3 fittings dry out and crack on a boat that has >> been >>>>>> on the hard for the last 7; I think that's a pretty good track >>>>> record. >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > (crude) in it.. > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch

I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and load it to the site. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > (crude) in it.. > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Chris, Catching up on email. Some response comments on my holding tank installation.... Yes ― I was concerned about adding weight to the port side above the waterline. The original holding tank was installed in front of the fresh water tank underneath the v-berth. It added weight in the bow, which I definitely noticed in light choppy conditions when these boats tend to hobby horse anyway. Another factor that made it easier for me to make this decision is that the tank is farther inboard and lower than you might think. In addition, it’s only approaching full when I’m at an anchorage or have been negligent. I hate stinky heads more than anything on a boat and I wanted a smaller tank that could be emptied out at sea. I only use the head when I’m going to the Islands and back and it’s easy and legal to dump it offshore and that’s what I do. I used to have to pack my gear to counter-act a slight list to starboard anyway, so it wasn’t hard for me to imagine that it would be OK. Wilkie On 12/31/08 2:15 PM, "Chris h" <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 23 December 2008 22:07:46 DavidOwen wrote: >> > Chris & All, >> > >> > Alfred speaks eloquently and is an authority on the venerable Cal 29 as you >> > can tell. I removed the lav sink in the head and didn¹t re-install it when >> > I did the dreaded beam and main bulkhead replacement. I figure I could put >> > a flip or slide out sink later if I really missed it. I have not missed it >> > at all, but really missed having a hanging locker with room at the bottom >> > for boots, a drifter or what have you. > > All good information. Many thanks. One question if I may. Was wondering if > raising the tank on port side resulted in any balance issues as in general > the tank is low to the keel thereby distributing the max 150 lbs more evenly > along the centerline of the vessel. The only drawback I can see after > reviewing the drawing and pics is that now the weight is located amidship and > on one side of the vessel. Has this caused any problems in terms of weight > loads? > > No rush on any responses. Just wanted to get this one out before forgetting. > > Happy New Year to all and thanks for all the information. Its been greatly > appreciated.

On Friday 02 January 2009 14:26:29 DavidOwen wrote: > Yes ― I was concerned about adding weight to the port side above the > waterline. The original holding tank was installed in front of the fresh > water tank underneath the v-berth. It added weight in the bow, which I > definitely noticed in light choppy conditions when these boats tend to > hobby horse anyway. <snip> > I used to have to pack my gear to counter-act a slight list to starboard > anyway, so it wasn’t hard for me to imagine that it would be OK. Ok understood. Thanks kindly for the response. -- /ch

My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan things myself if it's in paper/book form. You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it posted. On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals > especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical > drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I > know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or > copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast > diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and > load it to the site. > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris h > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) > > On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > > (crude) in it.. > > > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html > > Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) > > Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. > > -- > /ch > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. Mark San Pedro Cal 2-29 ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Anderson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan things myself if it's in paper/book form. You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it posted. On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and load it to the site. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > (crude) in it.. > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi folks! Let's remember to change the subject title after the initial reply. The above correspondence title would have been logical in the first reply, now it makes no sense. If someone were searching for info on fabricating parts for Cal 29's he might not think to look under Poly butyl whatsis pipe. --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 12:38 PM Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. Mark San Pedro Cal 2-29 ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Anderson To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan things myself if it's in paper/book form. You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it posted. On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and load it to the site. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris h To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > (crude) in it.. > > http://www.richarda nderson.net/ TechSavvy/ CAL_BOATS. html Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Thanks Mark, I posted those and a bunch of other stuff I found for a large number of Cal models to the site. The prop strut/shaft and mast documents could be really useful for some people! http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Richard On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. > Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. > Mark > San Pedro > Cal 2-29 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Anderson > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) > > My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much > anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes > any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If > you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan > things myself if it's in paper/book form. > > > You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it > posted. > > > > On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > >> >> I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals >> especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical >> drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I >> know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or >> copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 >> mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to >> pdf and load it to the site. >> Mark >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris h >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) >> >> On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: >> > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 >> documents/ >> > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring >> diagram >> > (crude) in it.. >> > >> > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html >> >> Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) >> >> Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. >> >> -- >> /ch >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <Cal 29 Strut.pdf><Farymann A30 Prop Shaft.pdf><Cal 2-29 > Mast Spec..pdf>

you may want to add these To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ri… [at] ctyl.orgDate: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0800Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Knowledgebase (Was [Cal_Boats Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe) Thanks Mark, I posted those and a bunch of other stuff I found for a large number of Cal models to the site. The prop strut/shaft and mast documents could be really useful for some people! http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Richard On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. Mark San Pedro Cal 2-29 From: Richard Anderson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan things myself if it's in paper/book form. You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it posted. On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and load it to the site. Mark From: Chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote:> I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/> books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram> (crude) in it..>> http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.htmlWell I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:)Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com <Cal 29 Strut.pdf><Farymann A30 Prop Shaft.pdf><Cal 2-29 Mast Spec..pdf>

and a picture of a 27 T/2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ri… [at] ctyl.orgDate: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0800Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Knowledgebase (Was [Cal_Boats Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe) Thanks Mark, I posted those and a bunch of other stuff I found for a large number of Cal models to the site. The prop strut/shaft and mast documents could be really useful for some people! http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Richard On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. Mark San Pedro Cal 2-29 From: Richard Anderson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan things myself if it's in paper/book form. You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it posted. On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and load it to the site. Mark From: Chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote:> I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/> books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram> (crude) in it..>> http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.htmlWell I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:)Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com <Cal 29 Strut.pdf><Farymann A30 Prop Shaft.pdf><Cal 2-29 Mast Spec..pdf>

Thanks Reggie, All of those are now posted. >Richard On Jan 2, 2009, at 6:48 PM, r good wrote: > > and a picture of a 27 T/2 > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: ri… [at] ctyl.org > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0800 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Knowledgebase (Was [Cal_Boats Re: Poly- > Butyl Pipe) > > Thanks Mark, > > I posted those and a bunch of other stuff I found for a large number > of Cal models to the site. The prop strut/shaft and mast documents > could be really useful for some people! > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html > > Richard > On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > > Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. > Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. > Mark > San Pedro > Cal 2-29 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Anderson > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) > > My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much > anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes > any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If > you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan > things myself if it's in paper/book form. > > > You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it > posted. > > > > On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > > I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals > especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical > drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I > know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or > copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast > diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and > load it to the site. > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris h > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) > > On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > > (crude) in it.. > > > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html > > Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) > > Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. > > -- > /ch > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <Cal 29 Strut.pdf><Farymann A30 Prop Shaft.pdf><Cal 2-29 Mast > Spec..pdf> > > > > <cal36bro1[1].JPG><CRW_4830[1].jpg>

Great Website Richard! We should add to this site links to the other Cal sites and include sites like Richard Anderson, Wilkie's, Stirling Law, Mike Kennedy, D'Arcy and more. If all of us cal owners come forward and keep adding technical information and post it here in pdf or other common format and make it available to download freely, then the chances of it going to a pay for info not to mention any names, is unlikely. Thanks to all of you for putting together these Cal Boat industry treasures. Happy Holidays. Mark PS I got the subject right this time! and when applicable, on ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Anderson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Knowledgebase (Was [Cal_Boats Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe) Thanks Reggie, All of those are now posted. >Richard On Jan 2, 2009, at 6:48 PM, r good wrote: and a picture of a 27 T/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ri… [at] ctyl.org Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0800 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Knowledgebase (Was [Cal_Boats Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe) Thanks Mark, I posted those and a bunch of other stuff I found for a large number of Cal models to the site. The prop strut/shaft and mast documents could be really useful for some people! http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Richard On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: Please find the following attached pdfs: Cal 2-29 Mast Spec. Farymann A30 Prop Shaft and Cal 29 Strut. Mark San Pedro Cal 2-29 ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Anderson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) My goal for my website Cal section is to collect pretty much anything I can get my hands on and post for others. This includes any diagrams, books, etc plus links to other informative sites. If you have anything scanned that would be great. I can also scan things myself if it's in paper/book form. You can email me anything, or send it to the list and I'll get it posted. On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I appreciate the written information and knowledge base on the Cals especially the 29/2-29. It would be great if all the technical drawings and papers could be available to all and in one place. I know I would love to get my hands on a set of the original (or copied) blue prints. I just found from an old download a cal 29 mast diagram and a bronze prop strut. I would be happy to scan to pdf and load it to the site. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Poly-Butyl Pipe (Was [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29) On Thursday 01 January 2009 22:53:30 Richard Anderson wrote: > I also scanned and uploaded some of the original cal 2-29 documents/ > books I have to my website... The owners manual has a wiring diagram > (crude) in it.. > > http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html Well I guess we started 2009 off on the right foot after all....:) Many thanks for the effort. Its very much appreciated. -- /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com <Cal 29 Strut.pdf><Farymann A30 Prop Shaft.pdf><Cal 2-29 Mast Spec..pdf> <cal36bro1[1].JPG><CRW_4830[1].jpg> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3733 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

My A32 is an '87. For what it's worth, there is a very active owners forum for Alohas, problems with the PEX pipe or fittings have never come up. I've not had problems myself. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Chris h Sent: Tue 12/30/2008 7:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:FW: Cal 2-29 On Monday 29 December 2008 09:11:09 you wrote: > I would need to check to be positive, but I believe that > the later Aloha's (such as mine) used PEX. I've had no > problems. Any way, it is a grey, polyethylene pipe, > (as opposed to PVC), just as is PEX, so what's in a brand > name? White/beige PEX flexable pipe is typically used for supply runs both hot and cold and gray is used for gray water. My concern is not so much with the pipe itself as with the compression fitting used as these are not marine grade AFAIK, and not sure if you can get marine grade. Was wondering how the fitting stand up. -- /ch DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.