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Hi Chris Glad you joined the CAL group. I think you'll enjoy it and find it valuable. Don't let those pics of your CAL 25 get out for public consumption! If people ever saw what those boats and other CALs could be like, the prices would go through the roof! Nice boat! I like the small cabine with top rack you installed by the starboard chainplate. reggie From: cr… [at] powwowcountry.comTo: mi… [at] hotmail.comCC: my… [at] hotmail.comSubject: P.S.Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:34:36 -0700 Hello Again, I joined the Cal Yahoo groups today. My yahoo address is ml… [at] yahoo.com. But it would be best to mail me at my personal acct this e-mail originated from. Feel free to post any of the photos I send you on the Cal group. I’m not that “groups” skilled yet. Here are pictures of my 1969 Cal 25 Sinfonietta. Chris Roberts 1534 Tamarack St. Missoula, MT 59802 406 549-3090

r good wrote: > > Hi Chris > Glad you joined the CAL group. I think you'll enjoy it and find it > valuable. > > Don't let those pics of your CAL 25 get out for public consumption! > If people ever saw what those boats and other CALs could be like, the > prices would go through the roof! Nice boat! > This is a pretty impressive project! The "before" pic proves the point. Wow! One of the boating mags recently had an article on smaller boats for cruising (Practical Sailor? Sailing?). Prac. Sailor just had one on small daysailers (well, not all were small, but they were all sold as "daysailers."). Small boats offer so much in terms of opportunities to be on the water--savings in purchase price, maintenance cost, maintenance time, docking and storage costs, effort required to sail the boat. Of course, as a Cal 20 sailor, I regard a 25 as a big boat.... Chris Campbell

I went both directions. I had a 27, I moved up to a 33, and down to a 13.5. It's no secret which one has more GRIN factor! td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Chris Campbell Sent: Mon 1/5/2009 4:35 PM One of the boating mags recently had an article on smaller boats for cruising (Practical Sailor? Sailing?). Prac. Sailor just had one on small daysailers (well, not all were small, but they were all sold as "daysailers."). Small boats offer so much in terms of opportunities to be on the water--savings in purchase price, maintenance cost, maintenance time, docking and storage costs, effort required to sail the boat. Of course, as a Cal 20 sailor, I regard a 25 as a big boat.... Chris Campbell DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 07:51:50 Downing, Thomas wrote: > I went both directions. I had a 27, I moved up to a 33, > and down to a 13.5. It's no secret which one has more > GRIN factor! One of the nicest boats I've owned (actually two) was a CS22. The first one was minor project and was sold, the second a bit larger of a project but this one will be a keeper. But for 600 bucks, no sails, no rudder, no tiller, no trailer, these are great boats that require only a small investment, are solid to 25 knots and trailerable. Operating costs are low if you scrounge and are patient. I just found a matching CS22 double axle trailer for 50 bucks. Gotta drive 200 miles to get it but that's have the fun. Project costs complete with used sails, rigging and lines approx 2K. The other stuff I can build easily. Used sails are cheap from a broker in florida. Running and standing rigging is relatively inexpensive from local chandleries and spring sales are the best time to buy. http://picasaweb.google.com/chris.herrnberger/1975CS22YardQueen# CS22 info: http://sailquest.com/market/models/cs22.htm Up here a mooring for the season runs $300.00 and you cant beet the area for fun and access after work; a 20 minute drive with traffic. Its like being at the cottage after 5:00 PM till midnight most summer evenings. Season is far too short however. Local waters ref: http://sailquest.com/ottawa/ Now I'm looking at moving on up to a 29 as I hope to relocate closer to Lake Ontario. The CS22 will be a keeper however as she's as solid as the day she left the factory and a sheer joy to sail, regardless of the winds. The only other boat I want some days is a CAL-20. They just seem like such a classic ride. A very basic and capable boat. -- /ch

Chris h wrote: > > > One of the nicest boats I've owned (actually two) was a CS22. > > CS22 info: > http://sailquest.com/market/models/cs22.htm > <http://sailquest.com/market/models/cs22.htm> > I love the way they describe the boat: "This is a pretty little boat...." That covers two important bases--pretty, and little. Pretty is always crucial. Sailboats as a category are among the loveliest things that humans have contrived, and when you get the lines right, they are a credit to our species. Little translates into less work, less effort to sail, and less expense. But you've all heard my perseverations on that subject already.... Chris Campbell Cal 20 # 1220, a pretty little boat. > >

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 17:06:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > But you've all heard my > perseverations on that subject already.... Yes I have Chris and I really enjoy reading your material. There are sailors and then there are sailors. The reason I invested in a CS22 as my first boat was twofold, well actually threefold: they are inexpensive to buy and operate, they have a high resale value, and they are so pretty. The alternative was a Tanzer 22 but no matter how big the following up here, she simply did not look right. This model was the model that put CS on the map, well for a while at least. Pretty is an understatement especially in blue. I would dare say elegant. And a dream to sail. In fact I sold my original one to a gal at the club who crossed the pacific single handed in a Choey Lee . One day sail and she was hooked. The joke up here is that I hate yellow boats and used to make all kind of rude jokes and remarks. Well I am waring it now and no one will let me forget it. Hence when she's done she will be called Schpritzer which means something totally different in German slang then the equivalent in English. A little kid who pees on the bushes randonly is about as close a translation as possible......but I like it as most don't know what it really means. They are fast little boats when properly tuned and sailed upright with quick acceleration. Hence the name fits well. The only reason I did not get a CAL-20 is that there are none around here hence hard to find and zero resale value locally. A CAL what??? Never heard of it.. But someday a CAL-20 will be in the stable. After sailing the 22 I can only image what the 20 is like. Will probably have to go to Michigan or New York State to get one. If you ever come across an abandoned one, a project boat or a fire sale don't hesitate to get in touch. Trailer and tow vehicles are available. Best regards and hope you enjoy the winter sailing the ice. -- /ch

Hi Chris & All, A quick search on craigslist uncovered the current following ad in Orange County CA... http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/970571580.html Chris B Cal20 # 1446 Wee Hope III --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote: From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: P.S. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:45 PM On Tuesday 06 January 2009 17:06:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > But you've all heard my > perseverations on that subject already.... Yes I have Chris and I really enjoy reading your material. There are sailors and then there are sailors. The reason I invested in a CS22 as my first boat was twofold, well actually threefold: they are inexpensive to buy and operate, they have a high resale value, and they are so pretty. The alternative was a Tanzer 22 but no matter how big the following up here, she simply did not look right. This model was the model that put CS on the map, well for a while at least. Pretty is an understatement especially in blue. I would dare say elegant. And a dream to sail. In fact I sold my original one to a gal at the club who crossed the pacific single handed in a Choey Lee . One day sail and she was hooked. The joke up here is that I hate yellow boats and used to make all kind of rude jokes and remarks. Well I am waring it now and no one will let me forget it.. Hence when she's done she will be called Schpritzer which means something totally different in German slang then the equivalent in English. A little kid who pees on the bushes randonly is about as close a translation as possible.... ..but I like it as most don't know what it really means. They are fast little boats when properly tuned and sailed upright with quick acceleration. Hence the name fits well. The only reason I did not get a CAL-20 is that there are none around here hence hard to find and zero resale value locally. A CAL what??? Never heard of it.. But someday a CAL-20 will be in the stable. After sailing the 22 I can only image what the 20 is like. Will probably have to go to Michigan or New York State to get one. If you ever come across an abandoned one, a project boat or a fire sale don't hesitate to get in touch. Trailer and tow vehicles are available. Best regards and hope you enjoy the winter sailing the ice. -- /ch

Hello again, I don't know why the address doesn't work but the listing is there, Craigslist, CA, Orange County, search for Cal 20, several offers... cb --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Chris Barszcz <we… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Barszcz <we… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:38 AM Hi Chris & All, A quick search on craigslist uncovered the current following ad in Orange County CA... http://orangecounty .craigslist. org/boa/97057158 0.html Chris B Cal20 # 1446 Wee Hope III --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> wrote: From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: P.S. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:45 PM On Tuesday 06 January 2009 17:06:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > But you've all heard my > perseverations on that subject already.... Yes I have Chris and I really enjoy reading your material. There are sailors and then there are sailors. The reason I invested in a CS22 as my first boat was twofold, well actually threefold: they are inexpensive to buy and operate, they have a high resale value, and they are so pretty. The alternative was a Tanzer 22 but no matter how big the following up here, she simply did not look right. This model was the model that put CS on the map, well for a while at least. Pretty is an understatement especially in blue. I would dare say elegant. And a dream to sail. In fact I sold my original one to a gal at the club who crossed the pacific single handed in a Choey Lee . One day sail and she was hooked. The joke up here is that I hate yellow boats and used to make all kind of rude jokes and remarks. Well I am waring it now and no one will let me forget it.. Hence when she's done she will be called Schpritzer which means something totally different in German slang then the equivalent in English. A little kid who pees on the bushes randonly is about as close a translation as possible.... ..but I like it as most don't know what it really means. They are fast little boats when properly tuned and sailed upright with quick acceleration. Hence the name fits well. The only reason I did not get a CAL-20 is that there are none around here hence hard to find and zero resale value locally. A CAL what??? Never heard of it.. But someday a CAL-20 will be in the stable. After sailing the 22 I can only image what the 20 is like. Will probably have to go to Michigan or New York State to get one. If you ever come across an abandoned one, a project boat or a fire sale don't hesitate to get in touch. Trailer and tow vehicles are available. Best regards and hope you enjoy the winter sailing the ice. -- /ch

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 19:38:08 Chris Barszcz wrote: > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/970571580.html Ya see this cracks me up. I can never find a deal like this on the upper East Coast or in the Great Lakes region. Always on the west coast, and with the price of gas as it is a cross country trip towing a trailer is prohibitive. -- /ch

Howdy. I know of a CAL 20 sitting around in Annapolis. Do not know condition. Could check on condition and availability. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: P.S. On Tuesday 06 January 2009 17:06:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > But you've all heard my > perseverations on that subject already.... Yes I have Chris and I really enjoy reading your material. There are sailors and then there are sailors. The reason I invested in a CS22 as my first boat was twofold, well actually threefold: they are inexpensive to buy and operate, they have a high resale value, and they are so pretty. The alternative was a Tanzer 22 but no matter how big the following up here, she simply did not look right. This model was the model that put CS on the map, well for a while at least. Pretty is an understatement especially in blue. I would dare say elegant. And a dream to sail. In fact I sold my original one to a gal at the club who crossed the pacific single handed in a Choey Lee . One day sail and she was hooked. The joke up here is that I hate yellow boats and used to make all kind of rude jokes and remarks. Well I am waring it now and no one will let me forget it. Hence when she's done she will be called Schpritzer which means something totally different in German slang then the equivalent in English. A little kid who pees on the bushes randonly is about as close a translation as possible......but I like it as most don't know what it really means. They are fast little boats when properly tuned and sailed upright with quick acceleration. Hence the name fits well. The only reason I did not get a CAL-20 is that there are none around here hence hard to find and zero resale value locally. A CAL what??? Never heard of it.. But someday a CAL-20 will be in the stable. After sailing the 22 I can only image what the 20 is like. Will probably have to go to Michigan or New York State to get one. If you ever come across an abandoned one, a project boat or a fire sale don't hesitate to get in touch. Trailer and tow vehicles are available. Best regards and hope you enjoy the winter sailing the ice. -- /ch ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 21:18:16 Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > Howdy. I know of a CAL 20 sitting around in Annapolis. Do not know > condition. Could check on condition and availability. Much appreciated Charlie but that's way to far. Pls don't bother. I don't mind driving a day down and a day back but that's about as far as it goes. This puts me into a radius of Michigan to Mass and to be honest unless its a real steal I currently have my hands full with one CS22 project on the go and one larger CAL pending in the spring. But you never turn down a jewel in the rough..:) -- /ch

Hi to Chris, Chris, Chris, and Chris. The CAL 20 should be named Christal. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Barszcz Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats Hello again, I don't know why the address doesn't work but the listing is there, Craigslist, CA, Orange County, search for Cal 20, several offers... cb --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Chris Barszcz <we… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Barszcz <we… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:38 AM Hi Chris & All, A quick search on craigslist uncovered the current following ad in Orange County CA... http://orangecounty .craigslist. org/boa/97057158 0.html Chris B Cal20 # 1446 Wee Hope III --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> wrote: From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: P.S. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:45 PM On Tuesday 06 January 2009 17:06:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > But you've all heard my > perseverations on that subject already.... Yes I have Chris and I really enjoy reading your material. There are sailors and then there are sailors. The reason I invested in a CS22 as my first boat was twofold, well actually threefold: they are inexpensive to buy and operate, they have a high resale value, and they are so pretty. The alternative was a Tanzer 22 but no matter how big the following up here, she simply did not look right. This model was the model that put CS on the map, well for a while at least. Pretty is an understatement especially in blue. I would dare say elegant. And a dream to sail. In fact I sold my original one to a gal at the club who crossed the pacific single handed in a Choey Lee . One day sail and she was hooked. The joke up here is that I hate yellow boats and used to make all kind of rude jokes and remarks. Well I am waring it now and no one will let me forget it. Hence when she's done she will be called Schpritzer which means something totally different in German slang then the equivalent in English. A little kid who pees on the bushes randonly is about as close a translation as possible.... ..but I like it as most don't know what it really means. They are fast little boats when properly tuned and sailed upright with quick acceleration. Hence the name fits well. The only reason I did not get a CAL-20 is that there are none around here hence hard to find and zero resale value locally. A CAL what??? Never heard of it.. But someday a CAL-20 will be in the stable. After sailing the 22 I can only image what the 20 is like. Will probably have to go to Michigan or New York State to get one. If you ever come across an abandoned one, a project boat or a fire sale don't hesitate to get in touch. Trailer and tow vehicles are available. Best regards and hope you enjoy the winter sailing the ice. -- /ch

CS are nice boats. My 13.5 is a Crawford Melonseed skiff. http://www.melonseed.com Obviously not the same class as a CS22. Launch and rig in 3 minutes (really) de-rig and recover in 5 (not counting time spent de-salting). Has the same prime characteristics though - sails well from 3 to 30 knots (really, though I've only sailed up to 25 gusting 30+ so far). Also rows better than most rowboats. Best part is I'm not going cabin crazy with the "big" boat on the hard. Frostbiting is just fine with me. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Chris h Sent: Tue 1/6/2009 11:28 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: P.S. On Tuesday 06 January 2009 07:51:50 Downing, Thomas wrote: > I went both directions. I had a 27, I moved up to a 33, > and down to a 13.5. It's no secret which one has more > GRIN factor! One of the nicest boats I've owned (actually two) was a CS22. The first one was minor project and was sold, the second a bit larger of a project but this one will be a keeper. But for 600 bucks, no sails, no rudder, no tiller, no trailer, these are great boats that require only a small investment, are solid to 25 knots and trailerable. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Chris h wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 January 2009 19:38:08 Chris Barszcz wrote: > > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/970571580.html > <http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/970571580.html> > > Ya see this cracks me up. I can never find a deal like this on the > upper East > Coast or in the Great Lakes region. Always on the west coast, and with > the > price of gas as it is a cross country trip towing a trailer is > prohibitive. > The Crescent Sail Yacht Club down in Detroit has a Cal 20 fleet. Somebody there might know about unused boats. Here's a link: http://www.crescentsail.com/ Chris Campbell > >

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Hi to Chris, Chris, Chris, and Chris. The CAL 20 should be named > Christal. There are various pop-psychology theories about things that influence personal development and personality (you know, those birth order theories, the effects of being named Fauntelroy). There must be some connection between the moniker "Chris" and inclination toward cool raised-deck boats. We just have to parse it out. Meanwhile, I went out and invested in a new pair of snowshoes yesterday. I had clomped out to the Cal 20 to knock snow off the cover, wearing my second-string traditional snowshoes (the Asian imitation of my first-string pair that I wore out the bindings on). The Asian imitation was so annoying that I went out and spent money on modern, high-tech snowshoes that were actually made in the USA. I tromped around the backyard after a meeting last night and kept thinking the snowshoes had fallen off my feet, they were so light. Chris Campbell >

Oh wow, I see a career opportunity! I'll start buying cheap Cal20s and then sailing them through the Panama canal and selling them on the east coast! Maybe when the canal gets too tiresome I could try sailing around the horn - I don't know how many Cal 20s have tried that [for good reason I expect... not that it's not hypothetically possible, but the mere idea hurts my brain!] Jean-Louis Cal 20 #343 "Casa de Perro" I SO didn't name her, but can't get my co-owner to agree on a better name San Pedro, CA From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:45:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats On Tuesday 06 January 2009 19:38:08 Chris Barszcz wrote: > http://orangecounty .craigslist. org/boa/97057158 0.html Ya see this cracks me up. I can never find a deal like this on the upper East Coast or in the Great Lakes region. Always on the west coast, and with the price of gas as it is a cross country trip towing a trailer is prohibitive. -- /ch

Jean, That's nuttin, I've seen adds for not just cheap $200 Cal 20's, but freeeeee Cal 20s, and, would U believe, freeeee Cal 28's to a good home. Yes, the market for sailboats has fallen out of a tree. Meanwhile, in this month's SailingWorld it sez you can get a new (IRC racer of the year) 40' racer for just $450,000 with a pretty minimal interior. And the article says the price is very reasonable. Well, very reasonable if U have half a million idling away in your safe, along with another million or two to maintain your requisite life style. Uggh. I must have done something wrong,..... but I hold onto the faith that sailing my old Cal 24 is more funner, especially if I keep winning an occasional trophy. And I still get to rub elbows with all the rest of the crisp white bermuda pants wearing yachties at the after the regatta receptions at the Clubs. Gee, don't their legs get cold? BRRRRRrrrr! Jerry, Shpritz, Cal 24 #71 --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:03 AM Oh wow, I see a career opportunity! I'll start buying cheap Cal20s and then sailing them through the Panama canal and selling them on the east coast! Maybe when the canal gets too tiresome I could try sailing around the horn - I don't know how many Cal 20s have tried that [for good reason I expect... not that it's not hypothetically possible, but the mere idea hurts my brain!] Jean-Louis Cal 20 #343 "Casa de Perro" I SO didn't name her, but can't get my co-owner to agree on a better name San Pedro, CA From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:45:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats On Tuesday 06 January 2009 19:38:08 Chris Barszcz wrote: > http://orangecounty .craigslist. org/boa/97057158 0.html Ya see this cracks me up. I can never find a deal like this on the upper East Coast or in the Great Lakes region. Always on the west coast, and with the price of gas as it is a cross country trip towing a trailer is prohibitive. -- /ch

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Uggh. I must have done something wrong,..... but I hold onto the > faith that sailing my old Cal 24 is more funner, especially if I keep > winning an occasional trophy. And I still get to rub elbows with all > the rest of the crisp white bermuda pants wearing yachties at the > after the regatta receptions at the Clubs. > Well, they probably have fun too on the fancy boats, but those of us on the cheaper and smaller end of the scale have just as much. The problem is that the public image of sailing is formed by the exotic folks and their exotic boats. Everybody else assumes that it requires an inherited fortune to go sailing. The other problem is that bigger boats require more effort to sail. But then, if you can afford a boat for $450,000, then you probably have a lot of friends (make that "friends") who will sail with you and provide the muscle power. Chris Campbell > > >

On Thursday 08 January 2009 09:38:54 Chris Campbell wrote: > The problem > is that the public image of sailing is formed by the exotic folks and > their exotic boats. Everybody else assumes that it requires an > inherited fortune to go sailing. That's exactly the case. Everyone assumes its a luxury item. The corollary is there are so many boats in marinas that never actually get sailed. Once the joy of the floating cottage wears off after a few years, the vessel gets abandoned as sits till it decays. Pride of ownship decays proportionally with the annual invoice for a luxury item that remains unused. Not so with smaller boats as they are affordable, sometimes trailerable and you actually have to sail the thing to get any extended pleasure out of them. Yes of course they are a joy to own but the real joy comes from going out on the water and coming back to a marina or club house when no ones been on the water and catching the expressions on everyones face. Typically good for at least one free beverage, snack, meal or both. The club I belong too is a different story. They run a CL-16 racing program, a hobie-cat racing program and have the admin rights to the only mooring field on the river. Hence there are essentially two groups, the racers and the cruisers in 25 ft or less sailboats (which is the restriction on the field). Now everyone at this club is really into it, and as the season is short, the racers are on the water in early April with full neoprene and drysuites going nuts. The more sedate cruisers wait patiently till may and use the time to prep the boats. Its a hidden jewel this club in the Nation's Capital that virtually no one knows about. People are great and the view of the mooring field form shore is postcard picture perfect. Best 300 bucks a person could invest in. -- /ch

Chris h wrote: > > On Thursday 08 January 2009 09:38:54 Chris Campbell wrote: > > > The problem > > is that the public image of sailing is formed by the exotic folks and > > their exotic boats. Everybody else assumes that it requires an > > inherited fortune to go sailing. > > That's exactly the case. Everyone assumes its a luxury item. The > corollary is > there are so many boats in marinas that never actually get sailed. > Once the > joy of the floating cottage wears off after a few years, the vessel gets > abandoned as sits till it decays. Pride of ownship decays > proportionally with > the annual invoice for a luxury item that remains unused. > About 20 years ago, my brother came to town and we went sailing. He posed an innocent question, "have you ever calculated the per-trip cost of keeping this boat?" The answer should have been "no, I don't want to know," but I just said "no" and then did a quick mental calculation. The next day I started taking more days off in the summer to go sailing. There are two ways to deal with the cost-to-fun ratio. You can reduce costs or have more fun (or, for those of us with nice old boats and the ability to do our own work, both). I decided to have more fun, since I was already pretty good at minimizing costs. Ever since, I make a conscious effort to get out on the boats as often as possible. It always surprises me when people take the other route--they eliminate the cost. They sell the boat. As you observe, some do it only after letting the asset deteriorate. Wow, this is Chris (Campbell)'s other big obsession--people who have nice boats and let them go to hell. The death penalty ought to apply to those cases. When I was a kid, a local guy had this lovely big Tripp (the elder) boat, a Mercer 44 with long overhangs, a flush deck, and dark blue topsides. She was breathtaking. He never did any maintenance and even less capacity to avoid pilings and concrete wharfs. Pretty soon he got tired of the boat and hung a "for sale" sign on her where she was sitting in a cradle. The selling price was completely disproportionate to the boat's condition so she sat there forever. > > > Not so with smaller boats as they are affordable, sometimes > trailerable and > you actually have to sail the thing to get any extended pleasure out > of them. > Yes of course they are a joy to own but the real joy comes from going > out on > the water and coming back to a marina or club house when no ones been > on the > water and catching the expressions on everyones face. > One reason I like my Cal 20 is that I can go out when the only other boats out are the big schooners. It's wet but fun. We sailors have to be evangelists for the activity. Chris Campbell > > >

On Thursday 08 January 2009 11:38:15 Chris Campbell wrote: > We sailors have to be evangelists for the activity. On that note a follow-up. What has really surprised me since I got into sailing is how few youngster take part in the sport or are even aware of the sport in our area. But please don't get me going on that topic sir..:) To some extend it was the same wrt to flyfishing. I got into it very seriously about fifteen years ago now but was lucky enough to have a friend who introduced me to the "married man's" version. We build all our own rods and flies, no need for a fancy reel, and had a ball for a number of years. Then other friends opened a flyshop and I used to be the head guide so got into the marketing etc. At the time flyfishing was almost dead as it was perceived and practiced as an elitist sport. Just as the industry was about to collapse completely, A River Run's Through It came into the theaters. For the next 5 years, there was an unprecedented run in the exposure of the sport. The transition from a small interest group to an an acceptable family activity was complete and the retail bonanza and guiding services sector were in full swing. All in all it lasted about seven years and then tailed off. Perhaps something similar is needed for sailing. There is quite a difference between an America's cup boat and all that is included with that and a nice afternoon out on the water with the family. Unfortunately the latter as no marketing behind it. -- /ch

Talk about the cost per sail! I'm reading a book about the sinking of the Japanese super-secret super sized aircraft carrier "Shimano". She got to make one cruise, got about a hundred and a half miles south from Tokyo bay and was sunk by four torpedoes from the "Archer-Fish". She was to have been a sister ship to the largest battle ship ever built, the Yamato, but was converted to a carrier. The Japanese had thought she was unsinkable. Went down with 1,500 men, including her skipper who refused to leave the ship. Hmm, now, I wonder how much that one sail cost? And I think there is a little known fact that more Pacific Fleet ships went down from Typhoons than combat. Now, that must have been the real "Kamakazi", if you know the history of the word. The Kamakazi, the Devine Wind, is the storm that sank the Chinese invasion fleet which was to have wiped out the Japanese. Did it happen twice? But, I think I digressss. Makes our expensive little toys seem rather reasonable, doesn't it? Anyway, a day at sea at sail makes me feel good all over and rejuvinates my 'soul', and how can you put a price on that? Jerry --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cheap Cal20 Was P.S. small boats(Lord Nougat) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 8:38 AM Chris h wrote: On Thursday 08 January 2009 09:38:54 Chris Campbell wrote: > The problem > is that the public image of sailing is formed by the exotic folks and > their exotic boats. Everybody else assumes that it requires an > inherited fortune to go sailing. That's exactly the case. Everyone assumes its a luxury item. The corollary is there are so many boats in marinas that never actually get sailed. Once the joy of the floating cottage wears off after a few years, the vessel gets abandoned as sits till it decays. Pride of ownship decays proportionally with the annual invoice for a luxury item that remains unused. About 20 years ago, my brother came to town and we went sailing. He posed an innocent question, "have you ever calculated the per-trip cost of keeping this boat?" The answer should have been "no, I don't want to know," but I just said "no" and then did a quick mental calculation. The next day I started taking more days off in the summer to go sailing. There are two ways to deal with the cost-to-fun ratio. You can reduce costs or have more fun (or, for those of us with nice old boats and the ability to do our own work, both). I decided to have more fun, since I was already pretty good at minimizing costs. Ever since, I make a conscious effort to get out on the boats as often as possible. It always surprises me when people take the other route--they eliminate the cost. They sell the boat. As you observe, some do it only after letting the asset deteriorate. Wow, this is Chris (Campbell)'s other big obsession--people who have nice boats and let them go to hell. The death penalty ought to apply to those cases. When I was a kid, a local guy had this lovely big Tripp (the elder) boat, a Mercer 44 with long overhangs, a flush deck, and dark blue topsides. She was breathtaking. He never did any maintenance and even less capacity to avoid pilings and concrete wharfs. Pretty soon he got tired of the boat and hung a "for sale" sign on her where she was sitting in a cradle. The selling price was completely disproportionate to the boat's condition so she sat there forever. Not so with smaller boats as they are affordable, sometimes trailerable and you actually have to sail the thing to get any extended pleasure out of them. Yes of course they are a joy to own but the real joy comes from going out on the water and coming back to a marina or club house when no ones been on the water and catching the expressions on everyones face. One reason I like my Cal 20 is that I can go out when the only other boats out are the big schooners. It's wet but fun. We sailors have to be evangelists for the activity. Chris Campbell

On Thursday 08 January 2009 14:12:23 Gerald Sobel wrote: > But, I think I digressss. > Makes our expensive little toys seem rather reasonable, doesn't it? Anyway, > a day at sea at sail makes me feel good all over and rejuvinates my 'soul', > and how can you put a price on that? Jerry Please dont think my comments were intended to negatively critisize the cost or expense of sailboats. My diatrab was focused on those vessels that turn into yard queens all to soon and for all the wrong reasons. as the entire exercise, expense and labour comes down to as you so eloquently state "a day [or more] at sea at sail makes me feel good all over and rejuvinates 'my' soul. And that as the commercial states is indeed "priceless"... -- /ch

Chris h wrote: > > On Thursday 08 January 2009 11:38:15 Chris Campbell wrote: > > > We sailors have to be evangelists for the activity. > > On that note a follow-up. What has really surprised me since I got into > sailing is how few youngster take part in the sport or are even aware > of the > sport in our area. But please don't get me going on that topic sir..:) > At the initial meeting of the winter training for new Schoolship volunteers (this is an on-the-water hands-on science program for school kids), one new trainee said she was there because she's a supporter of "no child left indoors." A lot of communities now have youth sail-training programs using Optimists and similar boats, which is a good way to involve kids, but not enough get exposed. Unless a kid really has a knack for racing, sailing is the kind of thing that's more likely to appeal to adults--people who can appreciate its leisure value, the endless learning opportunities, and chances to acquire and apply skills that actually have some relationship to preserving life (mess up badly on the water and it's easy to be dead). I like the notion that I am responsible for the safe management of my vessel and crew--yeah, and me too-- when sailing. Tonight I go off to assist in training the new crew members for our local historic schooner. As with almost all the Schoolship trainees, these are likely to be old folks. That term pertains to the >50 crowd. White hair. Please note that it pertains to me too but there are still times when I pull the average age of the crew down. > > > Just as the industry was about to collapse > completely, A River Run's Through It came into the theaters. For the > next 5 > years, there was an unprecedented run in the exposure of the sport. The > transition from a small interest group to an an acceptable family > activity > was complete and the retail bonanza and guiding services sector were > in full > swing. All in all it lasted about seven years and then tailed off. > All activities need a good PR jolt periodically. > > > Perhaps something similar is needed for sailing. There is quite a > difference > between an America's cup boat and all that is included with that and a > nice > afternoon out on the water with the family. Unfortunately the latter > as no > marketing behind it. > The America's Cup isn't very interesting since they began building fragile vessels that break in half and can only sail in a tiny range of wind speeds--not to mention the addition of all those commercial graphics. Chris Campbell > >