Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker

Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? Happy New Year Chris Rogers

Chris, According to thesailstore.com, the 2-29 uses off the shelf size 6, * Luff Measurement: 38 feet * Leech Measurement: 34.5 feet * Foot Measurement: 20 feet * Square Footage: 640 feetPerhaps you can use the above measurements while searching for a used asymmetrical headsail. We bought a custom cut/sewn APC with a sock for Magic last year. Keep in mind that an A-sail will not go as deep as a full symmetrical, but at the same time you can reach with it when the symmetrical would be useless. All in all, we find the A-sail & spinnaker pole combo quite versatile. A friend has given me the end of an old whisker pole to rig as a bowsprit, but I haven't had time to get that done yet. We only use the sock when my wife and I are out alone. For racing, we hoist from the bag on the foredeck. Right now, I use a snatch block on the bow for the tack line. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: "Rogers, Christopher C." <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:44:15 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? Happy New Year Chris Rogers

Mike Thanks for that input. I have an old whisker pole that might help pole it out. I have a rollerfurler Genoa to contend with, if that makes any difference You race PHRF with the Asym? Do they give you a time allowance for that? Chris Rogers From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker (Chris) Chris, According to thesailstore.com, the 2-29 uses off the shelf size 6, * Luff Measurement: 38 feet * Leech Measurement: 34.5 feet * Foot Measurement: 20 feet * Square Footage: 640 feet Perhaps you can use the above measurements while searching for a used asymmetrical headsail. We bought a custom cut/sewn APC with a sock for Magic last year. Keep in mind that an A-sail will not go as deep as a full symmetrical, but at the same time you can reach with it when the symmetrical would be useless. All in all, we find the A-sail & spinnaker pole combo quite versatile. A friend has given me the end of an old whisker pole to rig as a bowsprit, but I haven't had time to get that done yet. We only use the sock when my wife and I are out alone. For racing, we hoist from the bag on the foredeck. Right now, I use a snatch block on the bow for the tack line. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: "Rogers, Christopher C." <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:44:15 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? Happy New Year Chris Rogers

Chris, We sometimes use our spinnaker pole on the asymmetrical's tack; rigged just like a normal symmetrical spinnaker would be. That allows us to bring the pole back to windward and sail deeper than we normally can with the asymmetrical. For "real" windward/leeward buoy racing, I would only use a full symmetrical. The real advantage with the asymmetrical for us is on coastal races when the winds are right to fly it instead of the 155% genoa. We also have a furled genoa on Magic. We have found that the best way to hoist the asymmetrical is raise it behind the genoa, then drop the genoa to the foredeck instead of trying to furl it on the headstay. Once the genoa is down, we secure it on the foredeck with elastic cords/clips. We discovered that trying to furl the genoa with the asymmetrical up is too prone to getting it wrapped up in the furling. The reason for this is 1) the tack of the asymmetrcial needs to be further ahead of the forestay, and 2) I need a crane installed on the masthead to keep the spinnaker head/halyard a few more inches away from the forestay. With our full symmetrical spinnaker, since its shoulders are so much bigger and flies further ahead of the forestay than the asymmetrical spinnaker does, it is not as prone to getting caught up in the furling. YMMV, Michael From: "Rogers, Christopher C." <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 5:12:57 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker (Chris) Mike Thanks for that input. I have an old whisker pole that might help pole it out. I have a rollerfurler Genoa to contend with, if that makes any difference You race PHRF with the Asym? Do they give you a time allowance for that? Chris Rogers From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:08 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker (Chris) Chris, According to thesailstore. com, the 2-29 uses off the shelf size 6, * Luff Measurement: 38 feet * Leech Measurement: 34.5 feet * Foot Measurement: 20 feet * Square Footage: 640 feetPerhaps you can use the above measurements while searching for a used asymmetrical headsail. We bought a custom cut/sewn APC with a sock for Magic last year. Keep in mind that an A-sail will not go as deep as a full symmetrical, but at the same time you can reach with it when the symmetrical would be useless. All in all, we find the A-sail & spinnaker pole combo quite versatile. A friend has given me the end of an old whisker pole to rig as a bowsprit, but I haven't had time to get that done yet. We only use the sock when my wife and I are out alone. For racing, we hoist from the bag on the foredeck. Right now, I use a snatch block on the bow for the tack line. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: "Rogers, Christopher C." <chris.rogers@ jhuapl.edu> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:44:15 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? Happy New Year Chris Rogers

Hi Chris, I race on boats with an AYSO. Most are sprit boats and jibing is easy, to say the least. It takes manpower to get the chute thru the triangle. I also race on an Olson 30 with an AYSO Code 1. We use the spinnaker pole to get it out in front of the boat, when we Tack, we have to drop the chute, rerig the pole and pop the chute. So all intentions are to use this on the longest reaching legs. The biggest problem is experiencing a wrap. It ruins your whole day or worse, night. I sail Out Patient, single handed most of the time.I plan to add an AYSO to my CAL 2-29 . I will use a Facnor furler to roll it in and out. I have not considered adding a sprit. Most just use a tacker attached to the stem head. I have had the fortune of starting up front with the Maxi fleet in the Newport to Ensenada Race. Seeing the big boats OEX, Taxi Dancer, Magnitude 80 and others positioning themselves for the start. They use furlers for their Code zeros and Code ones. When they jibe they roll them in and then roll them back out. Granted they may have as many as 10 people on deck to pull it off, it is amazingly coordinated. I hope I have a video camers this year to post what i am talking about. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Rogers, Christopher C. <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> wrote: From: Rogers, Christopher C. <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 3:44 PM Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? Happy New Year Chris Rogers

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rogers, Christopher C." <chris.rogers@...> wrote: > > Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea > of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. > > since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be > looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? There are several ways to do this. In reading about Peter Rebovich's Bermuda wins with the Cal 40 I was struck by a comment that they used asymmetrical spinnakers and tacked them to the bow. They did not use a pole at all, if I read that right. I think the piece I saw was in Scuttlebutt. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Happy New Year > > > Chris Rogers >

I had an asym on my 2-27, which I sailed almost exclusively single-hand. It was definitely worth it for longer downwind legs. I flew and recovered it from a sock (ATN). On long legs where I did not expect to gybe or tack I just had one sheet attached. When expecting to gybe or tack, there are two ways to rig the sheets: outside of the luff, or between the luff and the forestay. The latter is a bit tricker to work, but is much easier to single-hand overall. You don't need to worry about running over the lazy sheet. Timing is more critical as the leech is pulled through the gap. I didn't experience wrapping problems with the asym, unlike single-handing a symmetric! The lack of a broad shoulder means that the top of the sail just twists off to leeward as the clew is pulled through. I used a 'tacker' around the furled genoa, and lead the tack line aft so I could keep the upper half filled on a run without leaving the cockpit. The tack line was turned by a block fastened ahead of the furler, and just ran along the deck - no blocks or fairleads at all. Not a good idea if you need to go forward in rougher weather and the line is on the high side. In that case I would get it of the deck. I had an added crane on the mast head, the block was about 3-4 inches ahead of the forestay. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Randy Alcorn Sent: Fri 1/9/2009 11:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker Hi Chris, I race on boats with an AYSO. Most are sprit boats and jibing is easy, to say the least. It takes manpower to get the chute thru the triangle. I also race on an Olson 30 with an AYSO Code 1. We use the spinnaker pole to get it out in front of the boat, when we Tack, we have to drop the chute, rerig the pole and pop the chute. So all intentions are to use this on the longest reaching legs. The biggest problem is experiencing a wrap. It ruins your whole day or worse, night. I sail Out Patient, single handed most of the time.I plan to add an AYSO to my CAL 2-29 . I will use a Facnor furler to roll it in and out. I have not considered adding a sprit. Most just use a tacker attached to the stem head. I have had the fortune of starting up front with the Maxi fleet in the Newport to Ensenada Race. Seeing the big boats OEX, Taxi Dancer, Magnitude 80 and others positioning themselves for the start. They use furlers for their Code zeros and Code ones. When they jibe they roll them in and then roll them back out. Granted they may have as many as 10 people on deck to pull it off, it is amazingly coordinated. I hope I have a video camers this year to post what i am talking about. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Rogers, Christopher C. <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> wrote: From: Rogers, Christopher C. <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 3:44 PM Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? Happy New Year Chris Rogers DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Randy and Thomas have described the delights and perils of running an Asymmetrical with good detail, but I'll add some testimony. I bought one with a sock and the ATN kevlar scoop and it works very well. I tried a few single-handed gybes allowing the chute to stream forward while feeding the sheet and lazy sheet around the outside of the forestay and spin. Really a dicey thing with crew, and almost impossible single-handed. I tried it a couple of times single-handed and mangled it up pretty good. The last attempt, I managed to drag a sheet under the fin and into the rudder post crevise. A real mess.

That's a good write up. I agree that dowsing with the sock for gybe is easy and not time consuming. Also, as I had mentioned as well, gybing with the sheet between sail and forestay is tricky. What I didn't say was that I could not do it single hand if the wind was much above 20 knots. On western LIS we don't see much above 15 knots during the summer. Still, the way that I did gybe when rigged this fashion is partly dependent upon the fact that I had a tiller boat, leaving both hands free: Straddle the tiller so you steer with your knees. Haul the mainsheet home first. Here's the trick I used. Take both sheets one hand, with the working sheet tucked far back between thumb and hand in the hand on the same side as the sheet; and the lazy sheet out at the fingers. As you gybe, control the veer of the out-going sheet while hauling the incoming (new working) sheet. Between this and the gyrations of steering with your knees, you may look like someone completely graceless attempting the hula doing this, but hey, your single handed, who's to see? The fact that the sheets are above the tack line will keep the bow from running over them. Keeping a watching tension on the out-going sheet will prevent it from taking charge and going under the boat into the rudder. Timing is every thing. Start hauling as soon as you can make any line, and once the clew is through and the foot starts drawing, resist the temptation to let it take anything. You will sill need to keep hauling to ensure that the loop of sail ahead of the boat does not twist or take charge. Don't try to gybe to quickly. I _really_ dislike going forward when single-handed in chop. For the next installment - how to gybe a symmetric spin single handed - followed by a bridge sale. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of dwilkieo Sent: Tue 1/13/2009 2:55 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker [snip] I tried a few single-handed gybes allowing the chute to stream forward while feeding the sheet and lazy sheet around the outside of the forestay and spin. Really a dicey thing with crew, and almost impossible single-handed. I tried it a couple of times single-handed and mangled it up pretty good. The last attempt, I managed to drag a sheet under the fin and into the rudder post crevise. A real mess.

Thomas ‹ Thanks for your additional post. If you had been here to coach me, I would have had a better experience trying to single hand the asym. But the only appendage that I could control the wheel with and keep both hands free would get pretty cold on that stainless wheel. I¹m talking about my knee, of course. You point out yet another reason that a tiller is superior to a wheel. I really mean it. Mariposa¹s wheel is a source of angst for me and always has been. Other than the ease of rigging a wheel-pilot, I prefer a tiller in every way. I continue to threaten to convert her to a tiller, but always get talked out of it. Pulling the chute through that gap is definitely the way to go short-handed or not. In my post I forgot to mention that I abandoned my atn tacker (anybody want it cheap?) because I race enough that I just can¹t make myself furl the genoa before I hoist the chute. Even single-handed cruising I hoist the chute and then drop or furl the genoa ‹ and the reverse prior to douse. A very proficient sailor-buddy and I flew the full symmetrical chute double-handed one day-sail. We did several gybes flawlessly and dropped it at the last minute as we passed the head of the pier with a crowd watching us. Felt pretty good. I can¹t imagine flying it solo.... Wilkie On 1/13/09 5:14 AM, "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: > > > > That's a good write up. I agree that dowsing with the sock > for gybe is easy and not time consuming. Also, as I had > mentioned as well, gybing with the sheet between sail and > forestay is tricky. What I didn't say was that I could not > do it single hand if the wind was much above 20 knots. > > On western LIS we don't see much above 15 knots during the > summer. > > Still, the way that I did gybe when rigged this fashion is > partly dependent upon the fact that I had a tiller boat, > leaving both hands free: Straddle the tiller so you steer > with your knees. Haul the mainsheet home first. Here's the > trick I used. Take both sheets one hand, with the working > sheet tucked far back between thumb and hand in the hand on > the same side as the sheet; and the lazy sheet out at the > fingers. As you gybe, control the veer of the out-going > sheet while hauling the incoming (new working) sheet. Between > this and the gyrations of steering with your knees, you may > look like someone completely graceless attempting the hula > doing this, but hey, your single handed, who's to see? > > The fact that the sheets are above the tack line will keep > the bow from running over them. Keeping a watching tension > on the out-going sheet will prevent it from taking charge > and going under the boat into the rudder. Timing is every > thing. Start hauling as soon as you can make any line, and > once the clew is through and the foot starts drawing, resist > the temptation to let it take anything. You will sill need > to keep hauling to ensure that the loop of sail ahead of the > boat does not twist or take charge. Don't try to gybe to > quickly. > > I _really_ dislike going forward when single-handed in chop. > > For the next installment - how to gybe a symmetric spin > single handed - followed by a bridge sale. > > td > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> on > behalf of dwilkieo > Sent: Tue 1/13/2009 2:55 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker > > [snip] > > I tried a few single-handed gybes allowing the chute to stream forward > while feeding the sheet and lazy sheet around the outside of the > forestay and spin. Really a dicey thing with crew, and almost > impossible single-handed. I tried it a couple of times single-handed > and mangled it up pretty good. The last attempt, I managed to drag a > sheet under the fin and into the rudder post crevise. A real mess. > > From that point on I would just douse the chute into the sock, gybe > over and re-hoist on the new tack. Less time consuming than you might > think. > > [snip] > > This inside-the-spinnaker outside the forestay gybe takes a crew to > haul the lazy sheet and spin through that slot, and another crew > (standing at the windward shrouds) to feed the newly innactive sheet > forward so it doesn't drop into the water. With a crew to gybe the > main and a crew to take up the trim on the new tack it works really > well. The helmsman has to carve a smooth turn with an eye to > blanketing the spin with the main until its been pulled far enough > through that slot to continue as the gybe progresses. > > DISCLAIMER: > Important Notice ************************************************* > This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. 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Wilke, What's your definition of cheap? I sail Nemesis almost exclusively single-handed, and would like to try one of those with my conventional spinnakers. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma ol… [at] seatnet.com On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:41 AM, DavidOwen wrote: > > > > In my post I forgot to mention that I abandoned my atn tacker > (anybody want it cheap?) because I race enough that I just can’t make > myself furl the genoa before I hoist the chute. Even single-handed > cruising I hoist the chute and then drop or furl the genoa — and the > reverse prior to douse. > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members > | Calendar > MARKETPLACE > From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods > <ma_grp_160.gif> > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > 5 > New Members > 36 > New Photos > 1 > New Links > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! News > Fashion News > What's the word on > fashion and style? > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Group Charity > Loans that > change lives > Kiva.org > . > <serv.gif> > >

For a Cal buddy, pretty cheap. But I have to find it first. I thought it was in the garage but not so. Gee, may have loaned it out or already given it away in which case I apologize. Wilkie On 1/13/09 11:21 AM, "Fred Haas" <ol… [at] seanet.com> wrote: > Wilke, > What's your definition of cheap? I sail Nemesis almost exclusively > single-handed, and would like to try one of those with my conventional > spinnakers. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > > ol… [at] seatnet.com > On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:41 AM, DavidOwen wrote: > >> >> >> >> In my post I forgot to mention that I abandoned my atn tacker (anybody want >> it cheap?) because I race enough that I just can¹t make myself furl the genoa >> before I hoist the chute. Even single-handed cruising I hoist the chute and >> then drop or furl the genoa ‹ and the reverse prior to douse. >> >> Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | >> Calendar >> MARKETPLACE >> From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods >> <ma_grp_160.gif> >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) >> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format >> to Traditional >> Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe >> Recent Activity >> 5 >> New Members >> 36 >> New Photos >> 1 >> New Links >> Visit Your Group >> Yahoo! News >> Fashion News >> What's the word on >> fashion and style? >> Yahoo! Finance >> It's Now Personal >> Guides, news, >> advice & more. >> Group Charity >> Loans that >> change lives >> Kiva.org >> . >> >> <serv.gif> >> >

Fred, Can¹t find the darn thing in the garage, which would be step #1. Then I remembered talk of loaning it to another Cal buddy, but apparently that never happened either. So... First I have to find it then decide if I owe it to anyone else. Sorry for the confusion. I¹ll update later. Wilkie On 1/13/09 11:21 AM, "Fred Haas" <ol… [at] seanet.com> wrote: > Wilke, > What's your definition of cheap? I sail Nemesis almost exclusively > single-handed, and would like to try one of those with my conventional > spinnakers. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > > ol… [at] seatnet.com > On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:41 AM, DavidOwen wrote: > >> >> >> >> In my post I forgot to mention that I abandoned my atn tacker (anybody want >> it cheap?) because I race enough that I just can¹t make myself furl the genoa >> before I hoist the chute. Even single-handed cruising I hoist the chute and >> then drop or furl the genoa ‹ and the reverse prior to douse. >> >> Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | >> Calendar >> MARKETPLACE >> From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods >> <ma_grp_160.gif> >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) >> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format >> to Traditional >> Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe >> Recent Activity >> 5 >> New Members >> 36 >> New Photos >> 1 >> New Links >> Visit Your Group >> Yahoo! News >> Fashion News >> What's the word on >> fashion and style? >> Yahoo! Finance >> It's Now Personal >> Guides, news, >> advice & more. >> Group Charity >> Loans that >> change lives >> Kiva.org >> . >> >> <serv.gif> >> >

"of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." Standing by in Tacoma... Fred On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:48 PM, DavidOwen wrote: > > > Fred, > > Can’t find the darn thing in the garage, which would be step #1. > Then I remembered talk of loaning it to another Cal buddy, but > apparently that never happened either. So... > > First I have to find it then decide if I owe it to anyone else. > Sorry for the confusion. I’ll update later. > > Wilkie >

Mike, I raced the Chgo-Mac race last year in the cruising division on a Newport 30. We had 2 cruising asyms, tacked to the headstay chainplate. It was my observation that until the wind moved well aft that we did as well or better with the 150 genoa. No science, just my opinion. Not shared by the captain, 'course he bought them for the race, Regards, David Dobbs --- On Sat, 1/10/09, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:05 PM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Rogers, Christopher C." <chris.rogers@ ...> wrote: > > Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea > of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. > > since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be > looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? There are several ways to do this. In reading about Peter Rebovich's Bermuda wins with the Cal 40 I was struck by a comment that they used asymmetrical spinnakers and tacked them to the bow. They did not use a pole at all, if I read that right. I think the piece I saw was in Scuttlebutt. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Happy New Year > > > Chris Rogers >

I'd agree with that. Although you _can_ sail upwind keeping the asym full if you pull the tack down hard, I would not choose to go that way. On the 2-27, the 150 did better till the wind was well abaft the beam. The exception to that rule was in very light air, when the 150 was just too heavy. Then the asym was better (I think) even with the wind as much as 10 degrees before. But when racing in very light air, I think it would be better to switch to a light genoa or other appropriate sail. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of david dobbs Sent: Tue 1/13/2009 10:47 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker(Mike K) Mike, I raced the Chgo-Mac race last year in the cruising division on a Newport 30. We had 2 cruising asyms, tacked to the headstay chainplate. It was my observation that until the wind moved well aft that we did as well or better with the 150 genoa. No science, just my opinion. Not shared by the captain, 'course he bought them for the race, Regards, David Dobbs --- On Sat, 1/10/09, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Asymetrical Cruising Spinnaker To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:05 PM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Rogers, Christopher C." <chris.rogers@ ...> wrote: > > Thinking about getting downwind sails for a Cal 2-29. I like the idea > of the asym chute, particularly when shorthanded. > > since my budget requires I shop used, any idea on what size I should be > looking for? Any info/experience on rigigng a boat for this? There are several ways to do this. In reading about Peter Rebovich's Bermuda wins with the Cal 40 I was struck by a comment that they used asymmetrical spinnakers and tacked them to the bow. They did not use a pole at all, if I read that right. I think the piece I saw was in Scuttlebutt. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Happy New Year > > > Chris Rogers >

Ain¹t it the truth, brother....... Wilkie On 1/13/09 4:55 PM, "Fred Haas" <ol… [at] seanet.com> wrote: > "of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." Standing by in > Tacoma... > Fred > On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:48 PM, DavidOwen wrote: > >> >> >> Fred, >> >> Can¹t find the darn thing in the garage, which would be step #1. Then I >> remembered talk of loaning it to another Cal buddy, but apparently that never >> happened either. So... >> >> First I have to find it then decide if I owe it to anyone else. Sorry for >> the confusion. I¹ll update later. >> >> Wilkie >> >