Cal 28 lower shroud loose

While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower) leeward shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in the marina) and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27 neighbour has exactly the same issue. Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any suggestions, or do they all do that? Thanks Kevin

I am no expert, but if you look at the Cal 28 manual posted on my site, I believe it states the shrouds are to be somewhat lose. Here is the link; see page 6: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf - Show quoted text - --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <svbillied@...> wrote: > > While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower) leeward > shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains > tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in the marina) > and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27 neighbour has > exactly the same issue. > Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any > suggestions, or do they all do that? > Thanks > Kevin >

"loose" --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I am no expert, but if you look at the Cal 28 manual posted on my > site, I believe it states the shrouds are to be somewhat lose. Here > is the link; see page 6: > > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf > - Show quoted text - > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <svbillied@> wrote: > > > > While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower) leeward > > shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains > > tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in the marina) > > and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27 neighbour has > > exactly the same issue. > > Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any > > suggestions, or do they all do that? > > Thanks > > Kevin > > >

I don't think it's an issue, Kevin. The 28 and the 25 have similar geometry of sticks, I believe. I know some 25s who swear by leaving the lowers loose even at rest. Just check to see if the mast is in column under load on a tack, and if it is, just make sure your turnbuckles are not turning when the shroud is loose (either pins or nuts on the ends - my technique). I assume you get the looseness on both tacks? Mast may be sagging over a bit (in column). It takes very little for shrouds to be loose or tight. You will see it does not take many turns on the buckle to go from loose to tight. Hope some of this makes sense. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:34 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 lower shroud loose While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower) leeward shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in the marina) and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27 neighbour has exactly the same issue. Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any suggestions, or do they all do that? Thanks Kevin ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Wish I could find a manual like this for the Cal Cruising 36, or perhaps even the Cal Cruising 35. it would be interesting to see what theysay about mast tuning. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: br… [at] stirlinglaw.comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:44:13 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 lower shroud loose "loose"--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote:>> I am no expert, but if you look at the Cal 28 manual posted on my> site, I believe it states the shrouds are to be somewhat lose. Here> is the link; see page 6:> > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf> - Show quoted text -> > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <svbillied@> wrote:> >> > While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower)leeward > > shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains > > tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in themarina) > > and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27neighbour has > > exactly the same issue. > > Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any > > suggestions, or do they all do that?> > Thanks> > Kevin> >>

Here are a few more manuals.\: http://www.ewmanchester.com/CalSailboats.html --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, r good <my1972ih@...> wrote: > > > Wish I could find a manual like this for the Cal Cruising 36, or perhaps even the Cal Cruising 35. it would be interesting to see what theysay about mast tuning. > Reggie > > > > To: Cal_Boats@...: bruce@...: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:44:13 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 lower shroud loose > > > > "loose"--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@> wrote:>> I am no expert, but if you look at the Cal 28 manual posted on my> site, I believe it states the shrouds are to be somewhat lose. Here> is the link; see page 6:> > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf> - Show quoted text -> > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <svbillied@> wrote:> >> > While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower)leeward > > shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains > > tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in themarina) > > and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27neighbour has > > exactly the same issue. > > Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any > > suggestions, or do they all do that?> > Thanks> > Kevin> >> >

Reg, on a CC36 in Florida, if the mast does not fall down at the dock, and the icemaker works, the shrouds are fine. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:38 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 lower shroud loose Wish I could find a manual like this for the Cal Cruising 36, or perhaps even the Cal Cruising 35. it would be interesting to see what theysay about mast tuning. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: br… [at] stirlinglaw.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:44:13 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 lower shroud loose "loose" --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> , "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I am no expert, but if you look at the Cal 28 manual posted on my > site, I believe it states the shrouds are to be somewhat lose. Here > is the link; see page 6: > > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf> > - Show quoted text - > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> , "Kevin" <svbillied@> wrote: > > > > While beating to windward on either tack, the inner (ie lower) leeward > > shroud on my 1969 Cal 28 is very slack, although the outer remains > > tight. The rigger says the inners are tight enough (when in the marina) > > and doesn't recommend making them any tighter. A Cal 2-27 neighbour has > > exactly the same issue. > > Should they be tightened, anything specific to be checked, any > > suggestions, or do they all do that? > > Thanks > > Kevin > > >

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > I am no expert, but if you look at the Cal 28 manual posted on my > site, I believe it states the shrouds are to be somewhat lose. Here > is the link; see page 6: > > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf > <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/calboats/cal28.pdf> > I'm catching up on e-mails but I went to the manual link and they state that the mast should not hook to windward. If the lowers are too loose, relative to the uppers, that's what's going to happen. They state a preference for the masthead falling off slightly to leeward. It's the relative tightness of uppers and lowers that affects this more than absolute tension. The manual also warns about "bar tight" rigs. Most of our old boats were not built to the engineering standards that allow modern racers to do lots of sail-shape things with the standing rigging. It might be worth checking the structural integrity of your mast step/chainplate portions to make sure you're not getting excessive motion when the rig is under stress. Chris Campbell > > - >