Was surfing your CAL, now: Square waves

Jerry, I think you mean "MONOMOY Island"? It stretches out from the "elbow" of Cape Cod, near Chatham and is definitely a navigation hazard at times. Great place to go and observe seals, and of course the fishing is pretty good in the rips. The island is a wildlife preserve, and the latest problem is that the "island" has rejoined the mainland (shifting sands) and so now the coyotes can walk out and feast on the piping plover chicks.......one side says kill the coyotes.....the other side says let nature deal with it......even if it threatens the precious plovers! Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 DS II (previous co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285) Protect your home before it is too late. Click here for homeowner insurance information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Pphixql1SHKBKo2AwQkTF0qeCHbsCZEDVSACN8TXxzSwwO/

Coyotes???..Coyotes?? You mean our California Coyotes have made it out to the east coast? I grew up in the foothills of the Watchung Mountains in New Jersey, I don't remember any coyotes, wolves, or, for that matter mountain lions. Maybe we can ship some out, Fedex? We need to counterbalance the decimation of wild life on going in Alaska, with them hunters flying around and strafing the poor critters. Be-in this is a A- political site I kin't name no names, but you kin see her..that culprit... on Youtube courtesy of laugh-in.(hee-haw!) Maybe theys can do a little surreptishus dredging, that way, at least, the doggies will have to swim out there to fetch their dinner. Heck, maybe even sail out there... Coyotes being resourcefull and such. Maybe we could get some of them to join the group?? Jerry --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rodney G Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> wrote: From: Rodney G Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Was surfing your CAL, now: Square waves To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:00 AM Jerry, I think you mean "MONOMOY Island"? It stretches out from the "elbow" of Cape Cod, near Chatham and is definitely a navigation hazard at times. Great place to go and observe seals, and of course the fishing is pretty good in the rips. The island is a wildlife preserve, and the latest problem is that the "island" has rejoined the mainland (shifting sands) and so now the coyotes can walk out and feast on the piping plover chicks...... .one side says kill the coyotes..... the other side says let nature deal with it......even if it threatens the precious plovers! Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 DS II (previous co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285) ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Protect your home before it is too late. Click here for homeowner insurance information.

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Coyotes???..Coyotes?? > You mean our California Coyotes have made it out to the east coast? > The word "ubiquitous" was made for coyotes. A map of their range found via Google covers the entire US (Hawaii not included). You folks in California can't claim sole possession. I wish we could train our Michigan variety to eat more deer, which are sprouting like weeds and [sailing content notice] leap in front of our vehicles when pulling our sailboats on their trailers. I think they're pretty cool critters. One was hunting in a meadow in Yellowstone once in view of where we stood. Trot, trot, trot, pause, POUNCE. Repeat sequence. We humans are lucky that we do not eat raw rodents. Or cooked ones, I suppose, although I have had muskrat and it was just fine. Chris Campbell > >

Chris, I too would like more coyotes, the damn deer are eating my evergreens and leaving their scat all over my yard. No, I don't live in the boonies, it's urban but I live near woods and streams. My wife finally defeated them last summer; they used to raid her vegetable garden, jumping over the fence, munching her swiss chard, etc. She got some fabric that she stretches across the garden, from fence to fence. It lets the sun in but the deer don't seem to like it. We'll see how it works this summer. No sailing content but we have Strictly Sail starting Thursday at Navy Pier. Come on down! Regards, David Dobbs --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Coyotees? Was surfing your CAL, now: Square waves > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 3:18 PM > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > Coyotes???..Coyotes?? > > You mean our California Coyotes have made it out to > the east coast? > > > > > > The word "ubiquitous" was made for coyotes. A > map of their range found via Google covers the entire US > (Hawaii not included). You folks in California can't > claim sole possession. I wish we could train our Michigan > variety to eat more deer, which are sprouting like weeds and > [sailing content notice] leap in front of our vehicles when > pulling our sailboats on their trailers. I think > they're pretty cool critters. One was hunting in a > meadow in Yellowstone once in view of where we stood. Trot, > trot, trot, pause, POUNCE. Repeat sequence. We humans are > lucky that we do not eat raw rodents. Or cooked ones, I > suppose, although I have had muskrat and it was just fine. > > Chris Campbell > > > >

david dobbs wrote: > > Chris, > I too would like more coyotes, the damn deer are eating my evergreens > and leaving their scat all over my yard. No, I don't live in the > boonies, it's urban but I live near woods and streams. My wife finally > defeated them last summer; they used to raid her vegetable garden, > jumping over the fence, munching her swiss chard, etc. She got some > fabric that she stretches across the garden, from fence to fence. It > lets the sun in but the deer don't seem to like it. We'll see how it > works this summer. > In the last decade they have become especially pesky over on the Lake Huron side where I grew up. One neighbor who grows tomatoes has been using that fine plastic mesh to good effect. I use it now for a lot of flowers. My little cottage had a patch of "golden glow," a big yellow perennial, that had been there for over 50 years. Suddenly it disappeared. They started eating my white pines, too. So the flowers get a wrap of the plastic mesh, and the white pines get surrounded in the winter with chicken wire. Next summer all the annuals will get their own chicken wire fences. I tried planting ones that they hadn't eaten before but then their tastes adapt. The fencing is a pain in the butt, and it looks ugly too. I vote for extermination and keep hoping that some truly virulent deer disease will come along and reduce their populations to historically appropriate levels. Chris

Okay, this is a bit far afield and I do not intend to offend anyone, but... -Our forefathers and mothers enjoyed venison as a meal. -the exodus from the farms and decreased subsitence hunting has increased the deer population -down here in the South, we sail, fish, hunt and eat what we catch and/or kill -since I have some physical challenges that prevent me hunting deer, friends help -we recently had a "boat turning" party where we served "Bambi Chili" and a bunch of Good Ole Boys showed up to help. -as was our custom in SoCal, we made holiday tamales, this year with venison Too many deer - Is that a problem? Y'all want our recipes? Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 25 & 46, Bayou Chico, FL --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Coyotees? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:26 AM david dobbs wrote: Chris, I too would like more coyotes, the damn deer are eating my evergreens and leaving their scat all over my yard. No, I don't live in the boonies, it's urban but I live near woods and streams. My wife finally defeated them last summer; they used to raid her vegetable garden, jumping over the fence, munching her swiss chard, etc. She got some fabric that she stretches across the garden, from fence to fence. It lets the sun in but the deer don't seem to like it. We'll see how it works this summer. In the last decade they have become especially pesky over on the Lake Huron side where I grew up. One neighbor who grows tomatoes has been using that fine plastic mesh to good effect. I use it now for a lot of flowers. My little cottage had a patch of "golden glow," a big yellow perennial, that had been there for over 50 years. Suddenly it disappeared. They started eating my white pines, too. So the flowers get a wrap of the plastic mesh, and the white pines get surrounded in the winter with chicken wire. Next summer all the annuals will get their own chicken wire fences. I tried planting ones that they hadn't eaten before but then their tastes adapt. The fencing is a pain in the butt, and it looks ugly too. I vote for extermination and keep hoping that some truly virulent deer disease will come along and reduce their populations to historically appropriate levels. Chris

Tom, When I was in college one of my fraternity brothers went off dear hunting in Pennsylvania, and brought back venison for Sophie... "you can eating now"... our German cook prepared. Much like in the movie "The Deer Hunter" he, an ROTC army guy, went off to Vietnam, where he promptly fell into a punji pit but some how survived. Whether or not he survived the war to go back to hunting deer I do not know. We think we have a serious buyer for our Bill Lapworth designed Schock Endeavor 26, would you believe, an experienced sailor celebrating his 50th birthday, much as I did in '97 when I bought "Shpritz"? He says he doesn't plan on racing his boat, but...we'll see. Goodie! Maybe he can join our VMF club and I can have another boat to whip my tuchas on Tuesday evenings. Hey, any boat owners in Marina del Rey hiding out? You should be joining this club and racing with us. First race is first Tuesday evening after day light savings starts. Speaking of racing, we had our first Venture MacGregor Fleet meeting of 2009 Thursday and I got presented with a nice trophy, seems I missed our Holiday Party in 2007 and our race chairman finally remembered to bring the trophies to the meeting. Wooowie! Jerry, Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 6:55 PM Okay, this is a bit far afield and I do not intend to offend anyone, but... -Our forefathers and mothers enjoyed venison as a meal. -the exodus from the farms and decreased subsitence hunting has increased the deer population -down here in the South, we sail, fish, hunt and eat what we catch and/or kill -since I have some physical challenges that prevent me hunting deer, friends help -we recently had a "boat turning" party where we served "Bambi Chili" and a bunch of Good Ole Boys showed up to help. -as was our custom in SoCal, we made holiday tamales, this year with venison Too many deer - Is that a problem? Y'all want our recipes? Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 25 & 46, Bayou Chico, FL --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Coyotees? To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:26 AM david dobbs wrote: Chris, I too would like more coyotes, the damn deer are eating my evergreens and leaving their scat all over my yard. No, I don't live in the boonies, it's urban but I live near woods and streams. My wife finally defeated them last summer; they used to raid her vegetable garden, jumping over the fence, munching her swiss chard, etc. She got some fabric that she stretches across the garden, from fence to fence. It lets the sun in but the deer don't seem to like it. We'll see how it works this summer. In the last decade they have become especially pesky over on the Lake Huron side where I grew up. One neighbor who grows tomatoes has been using that fine plastic mesh to good effect. I use it now for a lot of flowers. My little cottage had a patch of "golden glow," a big yellow perennial, that had been there for over 50 years. Suddenly it disappeared. They started eating my white pines, too. So the flowers get a wrap of the plastic mesh, and the white pines get surrounded in the winter with chicken wire. Next summer all the annuals will get their own chicken wire fences. I tried planting ones that they hadn't eaten before but then their tastes adapt. The fencing is a pain in the butt, and it looks ugly too. I vote for extermination and keep hoping that some truly virulent deer disease will come along and reduce their populations to historically appropriate levels. Chris

Tom Vandiver wrote: > > Okay, this is a bit far afield and I do not intend to offend anyone, > but... > -Our forefathers and mothers enjoyed venison as a meal. > -the exodus from the farms and decreased subsitence hunting has > increased the deer population > -down here in the South, we sail, fish, hunt and eat what we catch > and/or kill > -since I have some physical challenges that prevent me hunting deer, > friends help > -we recently had a "boat turning" party where we served "Bambi Chili" > and a bunch of Good Ole Boys showed up to help. > -as was our custom in SoCal, we made holiday tamales, this year with > venison > Too many deer - Is that a problem? > Well, yes, it is a problem. When "deer exclusion areas" are set up, all sorts of native plants emerge, plants that do not appear elsewhere any more because the deer eat them right away. Basically, the population is disproportionate. At least here in the Great Lakes area, certain species have burgeoned beyond balance. Deer, gulls, double-crested cormorants. Like the Norway Rat, they have found a good fit with humans or the environment that we have created. I've no objection to venison as food. I've got three parcels of it in my freezer now, gifts from a neighbor. The more hunters the better. But there aren't enough, and a good number of them are pretty lazy--griping when the DNR banned baiting, moaning about deer population numbers when they can't shoot one within 100 feet of where they parked their truck on the side of the road. My Dad, a hunter of the old school (he hunted, he didn't "harvest") would roll over in his grave at the notion of shooting Bambi over a pile of apples or sugar beets. He stopped hunting in late middle age but he sailed almost until he died. Maybe if some sailmaker found a way to use deer hide for sails, we'd be able to depress that poulation some.... Chris Campbell > > >

Hey Chris, Instead of deerskin sails, how about buckskin bimini's??? I see a business plan in my future. Anyone here know the UV rating of deer hide? Michael Well, yes, it is a problem. When "deer exclusion areas" are set up, all sorts of native plants emerge, plants that do not appear elsewhere any more because the deer eat them right away. Basically, the population is disproportionate. At least here in the Great Lakes area, certain species have burgeoned beyond balance. Deer, gulls, double-crested cormorants. Like the Norway Rat, they have found a good fit with humans or the environment that we have created. I've no objection to venison as food. I've got three parcels of it in my freezer now, gifts from a neighbor. The more hunters the better. But there aren't enough, and a good number of them are pretty lazy--griping when the DNR banned baiting, moaning about deer population numbers when they can't shoot one within 100 feet of where they parked their truck on the side of the road. My Dad, a hunter of the old school (he hunted, he didn't "harvest") would roll over in his grave at the notion of shooting Bambi over a pile of apples or sugar beets. He stopped hunting in late middle age but he sailed almost until he died. Maybe if some sailmaker found a way to use deer hide for sails, we'd be able to depress that poulation some.... Chris Campbell

Michael D wrote: > Hey Chris, > > Instead of deerskin sails, how about buckskin bimini's??? Did you say buckskin bikinis? Chris

Chris, Yes, I see real potential here: buckskin bimini's AND buckskin bikini's. Both good for the environment too! Let's not forget the free bag of venison jerkey that is included with each order. Michael From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:47:03 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) Michael D wrote: Hey Chris, Instead of deerskin sails, how about buckskin bimini's??? Did you say buckskin bikinis? Chris

How about using Cormorant tail feathers for tell tails on the side stays as that might be the way to eradicate them down here on Lake Erie as they are decimating the small islands and disrupting the fish populations.They have destroyed the vegetation on the East side of West Sister Island and at times resemble locust swarms as they migrate from place to place.Has anyone ever tried using them as a food sorce? From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 9:47 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) Michael D wrote: Hey Chris, Instead of deerskin sails, how about buckskin bimini's??? Did you say buckskin bikinis? Chris

UV rated high enough to be used as material for minimal swim suits Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: md… [at] yahoo.comDate: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:01:40 -0800Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) Hey Chris,Instead of deerskin sails, how about buckskin bimini's??? I see a business plan in my future. Anyone here know the UV rating of deer hide?Michael Well, yes, it is a problem. When "deer exclusion areas" are set up, all sorts of native plants emerge, plants that do not appear elsewhere any more because the deer eat them right away.Basically, the population is disproportionate. At least here in the Great Lakes area, certain species have burgeoned beyond balance. Deer, gulls, double-crested cormorants. Like the Norway Rat, they have found a good fit with humans or the environment that we have created. I've no objection to venison as food. I've got three parcels of it in my freezer now, gifts from a neighbor. The more hunters the better. But there aren't enough, and a good number of them are pretty lazy--griping when the DNR banned baiting, moaning about deer population numbers when they can't shoot one within 100 feet of where they parked their truck on the side of the road. My Dad, a hunter of the old school (he hunted, he didn't "harvest") would roll over in his grave at the notion of shooting Bambi over a pile of apples or sugar beets. He stopped hunting in late middle age but he sailed almost until he died. Maybe if some sailmaker found a way to use deer hide for sails, we'd be able to depress that poulation some....Chris Campbell

mo… [at] aol.com wrote: > > How about using Cormorant tail feathers for tell tails on the side > stays as that might be the way to eradicate them down here on Lake > Erie as they are decimating the small islands and disrupting the fish > populations.They have destroyed the vegetation on the East side of > West Sister Island and at times resemble locust swarms as they migrate > from place to place.Has anyone ever tried using them as a food sorce? > Most of us prefer to get our fish first-hand, not second-hand. The cormorants fall into the "Ick, fishy tasty" realm, as I understand it. The usual pattern for an invading species is to rapidly increase in population to a peak and then crash, and finally to stabilize at some intermediate population level. Cormorants are not true invaders, in that they were present historically in the Great Lakes and then declined, but it may be that they have reached that peak/crash stage. Around here, the local Indian tribe with jurisdiction over a local island that the cormorants had taken over got federal permission to reduce the population. They used a high-powered air gun, a very accurate one, and shot a bunch. There are various egg-oiling programs too. These seem to have had some effect in stabilizing the populations. That's what I've seen in news reports, but not in the form of hard data. My other boat is in a place with a dredged shipping channel from the river mouth. The dredge spoils have gone to a contained (surrounded by dikes) disposal area for the last 50 years to isolate contaminants from the surrounding waters. It has formed an island. A few years ago the little woods of cottonwoods that had grown up at one end started dying. I assumed that it was from the cormorants that were roosting there, but it turns out that they had dumped a new layer of dredge spoils and it smothered the root systems of the trees. The birds do have that nasty effect of killing their roost trees from the acidity of their droppings. For a while they were perching on masts and spreaders of boats in my Cal's mooring field, but for some reason they preferred other boats. It gave me another reason to love my Cal 20. I got to watch the other folks scrub their decks and emit bad words. But somebody broke off my Windex pointer and bent the index tabs mid-summer, and it may have been a cormorant trying to perch at the masthead. Chris Campbell > > >

Here in Los Angeles, we've found that Herons and occasionally Pelicans like perching on our Cal20's boom, at least long enough to leave us a little something to remember them by - or not so little, as the case can be. From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:18:30 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) mooserent7447@ aol.com wrote: How about using Cormorant tail feathers for tell tails on the side stays as that might be the way to eradicate them down here on Lake Erie as they are decimating the small islands and disrupting the fish populations. They have destroyed the vegetation on the East side of West Sister Island and at times resemble locust swarms as they migrate from place to place.Has anyone ever tried using them as a food sorce? Most of us prefer to get our fish first-hand, not second-hand. The cormorants fall into the "Ick, fishy tasty" realm, as I understand it. The usual pattern for an invading species is to rapidly increase in population to a peak and then crash, and finally to stabilize at some intermediate population level. Cormorants are not true invaders, in that they were present historically in the Great Lakes and then declined, but it may be that they have reached that peak/crash stage. Around here, the local Indian tribe with jurisdiction over a local island that the cormorants had taken over got federal permission to reduce the population. They used a high-powered air gun, a very accurate one, and shot a bunch. There are various egg-oiling programs too. These seem to have had some effect in stabilizing the populations. That's what I've seen in news reports, but not in the form of hard data. My other boat is in a place with a dredged shipping channel from the river mouth. The dredge spoils have gone to a contained (surrounded by dikes) disposal area for the last 50 years to isolate contaminants from the surrounding waters. It has formed an island. A few years ago the little woods of cottonwoods that had grown up at one end started dying. I assumed that it was from the cormorants that were roosting there, but it turns out that they had dumped a new layer of dredge spoils and it smothered the root systems of the trees. The birds do have that nasty effect of killing their roost trees from the acidity of their droppings. For a while they were perching on masts and spreaders of boats in my Cal's mooring field, but for some reason they preferred other boats. It gave me another reason to love my Cal 20. I got to watch the other folks scrub their decks and emit bad words. But somebody broke off my Windex pointer and bent the index tabs mid-summer, and it may have been a cormorant trying to perch at the masthead. Chris Campbell

Lord Nougat wrote: > Here in Los Angeles, we've found that Herons and occasionally Pelicans > like perching on our Cal20's boom, at least long enough to leave us a > little something to remember them by - or not so little, as the case > can be. Last summer there was an egret that took up residence in the marina where I keep my other boat. Egrets are usually wading birds: they have long legs and they stand in the water, spearing dinner by darting their heads down at the prey. This past summer, one of them figured out that he could catch more by standing on the dock and plunging into the water and flying away, pelican-like. I didn't even think about how this represented atypical behavior until somebody else pointed out that wading birds don't usually engage in plunging behavior in water of such depth, where they cannot stand. Luckily, he didn't try perching on my boat.... Chris Campbell > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **

Lord Nougat, While moored in San Leandro we had a neighbor's boat that had CD's tied to a line and pulled to the masthead. One end was tied at the bow, the other at the stern. Spacing of CD's held by 1/8" nylon line was every four feet. We did the same and the messes on the deck stopped altogether. Try it, it works! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:02:15 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) Here in Los Angeles, we've found that Herons and occasionally Pelicans like perching on our Cal20's boom, at least long enough to leave us a little something to remember them by - or not so little, as the case can be. From: Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:18:30 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) mooserent7447@ aol.com wrote: How about using Cormorant tail feathers for tell tails on the side stays as that might be the way to eradicate them down here on Lake Erie as they are decimating the small islands and disrupting the fish populations. They have destroyed the vegetation on the East side of West Sister Island and at times resemble locust swarms as they migrate from place to place.Has anyone ever tried using them as a food sorce? Most of us prefer to get our fish first-hand, not second-hand. The cormorants fall into the "Ick, fishy tasty" realm, as I understand it. The usual pattern for an invading species is to rapidly increase in population to a peak and then crash, and finally to stabilize at some intermediate population level. Cormorants are not true invaders, in that they were present historically in the Great Lakes and then declined, but it may be that they have reached that peak/crash stage. Around here, the local Indian tribe with jurisdiction over a local island that the cormorants had taken over got federal permission to reduce the population. They used a high-powered air gun, a very accurate one, and shot a bunch. There are various egg-oiling programs too. These seem to have had some effect in stabilizing the populations. That's what I've seen in news reports, but not in the form of hard data. My other boat is in a place with a dredged shipping channel from the river mouth. The dredge spoils have gone to a contained (surrounded by dikes) disposal area for the last 50 years to isolate contaminants from the surrounding waters. It has formed an island. A few years ago the little woods of cottonwoods that had grown up at one end started dying. I assumed that it was from the cormorants that were roosting there, but it turns out that they had dumped a new layer of dredge spoils and it smothered the root systems of the trees. The birds do have that nasty effect of killing their roost trees from the acidity of their droppings. For a while they were perching on masts and spreaders of boats in my Cal's mooring field, but for some reason they preferred other boats. It gave me another reason to love my Cal 20. I got to watch the other folks scrub their decks and emit bad words. But somebody broke off my Windex pointer and bent the index tabs mid-summer, and it may have been a cormorant trying to perch at the masthead. Chris Campbell

I have had lots of Pelican experience...We lived at the tide pools, where I rescued my first one with a broken wing. I straightened it out, put a splint and tape, fed fresh caught fish daily. 6 mo later I threw him up in the air and he circled the house 2xs before he took off. Since, I have had a pelican land on the top of my cal 20 mast 2x while sailing back and forth between Cabrillo beach and 22nd street and last, I got seriously nailed on the top back side of my head ewwww.... I still do the pelican count as the California Brown with a wing span of 6.5' fly by the house. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales (Chris) Lord Nougat wrote: Here in Los Angeles, we've found that Herons and occasionally Pelicans like perching on our Cal20's boom, at least long enough to leave us a little something to remember them by - or not so little, as the case can be. Last summer there was an egret that took up residence in the marina where I keep my other boat. Egrets are usually wading birds: they have long legs and they stand in the water, spearing dinner by darting their heads down at the prey. This past summer, one of them figured out that he could catch more by standing on the dock and plunging into the water and flying away, pelican-like. I didn't even think about how this represented atypical behavior until somebody else pointed out that wading birds don't usually engage in plunging behavior in water of such depth, where they cannot stand. Luckily, he didn't try perching on my boat.... Chris Campbell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3804 (20090127) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Tom, Yeah, it's still a problem. I live in Cook county, which is the most urban county in Illinois,(Please, no Rod jokes, we just fired him today), and you can't hunt here. Bambi and friends wag their tails at us and go about their business. We have some Forest Preserves where the county hires bow hunters to cull deer after dark. But for the most part they are protected unless they tangle with a car. I just spent a week skiing in the UP and saw very few deer tracks there. Go figure. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? Now Venison stew, chili, tamales > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 8:55 PM > Okay, this is a bit far afield and I do not intend to offend > anyone, but... > -Our forefathers and mothers enjoyed venison as a meal. > -the exodus from the farms and decreased subsitence hunting > has increased the deer population > -down here in the South, we sail, fish, hunt and eat what > we catch and/or kill > -since I have some physical challenges that prevent me > hunting deer, friends help > -we recently had a "boat turning" party where we > served "Bambi Chili" and a bunch of Good Ole Boys > showed up to help. > -as was our custom in SoCal, we made holiday tamales, this > year with venison > Too many deer - Is that a problem? > > Y'all want our recipes? > > Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 25 & 46, Bayou Chico, FL > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Chris Campbell > <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Coyotees? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > david dobbs wrote: > > > Chris, > I too would like more coyotes, the damn deer are eating my > evergreens and leaving their scat all over my yard. No, I > don't live in the boonies, it's urban but I live > near woods and streams. My wife finally defeated them last > summer; they used to raid her vegetable garden, jumping over > the fence, munching her swiss chard, etc. She got some > fabric that she stretches across the garden, from fence to > fence. It lets the sun in but the deer don't seem to > like it. We'll see how it works this summer. > > > > > > > > > > In the last decade they have become especially pesky over > on the Lake Huron side where I grew up. One neighbor who > grows tomatoes has been using that fine plastic mesh to good > effect. I use it now for a lot of flowers. My little > cottage had a patch of "golden glow," a big yellow > perennial, that had been there for over 50 years. Suddenly > it disappeared. They started eating my white pines, too. > So the flowers get a wrap of the plastic mesh, and the white > pines get surrounded in the winter with chicken wire. Next > summer all the annuals will get their own chicken wire > fences. I tried planting ones that they hadn't eaten > before but then their tastes adapt. The fencing is a pain > in the butt, and it looks ugly too. I vote for > extermination and keep hoping that some truly virulent deer > disease will come along and reduce their populations to > historically appropriate levels. > > Chris

david dobbs wrote: > > > I just spent a week skiing in the UP and saw very few deer tracks > there. Go figure. > As winter gets on, with deeper snow, they huddle in deer yards in cedar swamps. It's warmer and there's food. They hold on until things start blooming in your yard in the spring. Chris Campbell > >

Try spraying your plants with fox urine from a feed supply store. We left the brush in our backyard to the deer in New Jersey and sprayed the azaleas etc. with fox urine and it kept our gardens from being touched by the deer. I also tested human urine a few times when having a cold beer while barbecuing on the back patio and that seemed to work well also!! Don't tell my wife, please! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:21:04 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Was Coyotees? (Tom) david dobbs wrote: > > > I just spent a week skiing in the UP and saw very few deer tracks > there. Go figure. > As winter gets on, with deeper snow, they huddle in deer yards in cedar swamps. It's warmer and there's food. They hold on until things start blooming in your yard in the spring. Chris Campbell > >