Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal.

We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto a plane. I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. Jack Cal 31

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@> wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 >

Mike, I did a little research, the Yankee boat we passed in the Swiftsure, "Damn Yankee" was a Yankee 38 owned by Jim Thurman. I recall that as the wind built on the spinnaker run, she became very unstable, and started a rolling action. Jim at the helm, was spinning the wheel back and forth trying to stay under the spinnaker. The Cal 40 was completely solid under this condition and began to surf. The Yankee just dug in deeper and deeper. DY was a beautiful boat, with a "Woodie Woodpecker" smoking a flaming cigar as her logo. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:38 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@> wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 >

We surfed the Cal 20 pegging the 12 knot meter. Conditions were following breaking seas at about 4-6' and a 25 knot plus southerly. Departed from Avalon wing n wing with wisker pole. Catalina - LA light in about 2hrs and 10 min. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: mtkennedy1 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@> wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3786 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > Mike, I did a little research, the Yankee boat we passed in the Swiftsure, "Damn Yankee" was a Yankee 38 owned by Jim Thurman. > > I recall that as the wind built on the spinnaker run, she became very unstable, and started a rolling action. Jim at the helm, was spinning the wheel back and forth trying to stay under the spinnaker. The Cal 40 was completely solid under this condition and began to surf. The Yankee just dug in deeper and deeper. > > DY was a beautiful boat, with a "Woodie Woodpecker" smoking a flaming cigar as her logo. There were a couple of lighter Yankee 38s. One was Ghost, which was sunk in the Panama Canal when it was squished by a ship during transit. Another was Firelock and there may have been a third. The early ones were all overbuilt and heavy as hell. I did take my boat through a hurricane in the 1977 La Paz Race. We were sailing the whole time with a #4 jib and no main and racing while most of the fleet was hove to. It was indestructible but too heavy to go down wind in anything over 25 knots. It got really squirrely. We laid it down in a jibe-broach after a wild hour with a storm chute in 35 to 40 knots. It was the IOR shape. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

The Yankee 38 is essentially the same as a Catalina 38? Quite a few of them still raced in Southern Cal, it was the former Congressional Cup racer. There is a dedicated trophy for fastest Catalina 38 down the coast in the annual Marina del Rey to San Diego Race. They are still a very successful coastal racer. It is well known that Bill Lapworth despised the IOR rules for the sort of rule breaker boats they created...ugly too! Jerry --- On Wed, 1/21/09, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:13 AM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > Mike, I did a little research, the Yankee boat we passed in the Swiftsure, "Damn Yankee" was a Yankee 38 owned by Jim Thurman. > > I recall that as the wind built on the spinnaker run, she became very unstable, and started a rolling action. Jim at the helm, was spinning the wheel back and forth trying to stay under the spinnaker. The Cal 40 was completely solid under this condition and began to surf. The Yankee just dug in deeper and deeper. > > DY was a beautiful boat, with a "Woodie Woodpecker" smoking a flaming cigar as her logo. There were a couple of lighter Yankee 38s. One was Ghost, which was sunk in the Panama Canal when it was squished by a ship during transit. Another was Firelock and there may have been a third. The early ones were all overbuilt and heavy as hell. I did take my boat through a hurricane in the 1977 La Paz Race. We were sailing the whole time with a #4 jib and no main and racing while most of the fleet was hove to. It was indestructible but too heavy to go down wind in anything over 25 knots. It got really squirrely. We laid it down in a jibe-broach after a wild hour with a storm chute in 35 to 40 knots. It was the IOR shape. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

S&S classic IOR race design. The Catalina 38 used the molds when Yankee went bust. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 The Yankee 38 is essentially the same as a Catalina 38? Quite a few of them still raced in Southern Cal, it was the former Congressional Cup racer. There is a dedicated trophy for fastest Catalina 38 down the coast in the annual Marina del Rey to San Diego Race. They are still a very successful coastal racer. It is well known that Bill Lapworth despised the IOR rules for the sort of rule breaker boats they created...ugly too! Jerry --- On Wed, 1/21/09, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:13 AM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > Mike, I did a little research, the Yankee boat we passed in the Swiftsure, "Damn Yankee" was a Yankee 38 owned by Jim Thurman. > > I recall that as the wind built on the spinnaker run, she became very unstable, and started a rolling action. Jim at the helm, was spinning the wheel back and forth trying to stay under the spinnaker. The Cal 40 was completely solid under this condition and began to surf. The Yankee just dug in deeper and deeper. > > DY was a beautiful boat, with a "Woodie Woodpecker" smoking a flaming cigar as her logo. There were a couple of lighter Yankee 38s. One was Ghost, which was sunk in the Panama Canal when it was squished by a ship during transit. Another was Firelock and there may have been a third. The early ones were all overbuilt and heavy as hell. I did take my boat through a hurricane in the 1977 La Paz Race. We were sailing the whole time with a #4 jib and no main and racing while most of the fleet was hove to. It was indestructible but too heavy to go down wind in anything over 25 knots. It got really squirrely. We laid it down in a jibe-broach after a wild hour with a storm chute in 35 to 40 knots. It was the IOR shape. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

The Catalina 38 is a sloop-rigged<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop> sailboat manufactured by Catalina Yachts<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalina_Yachts> from 1977 to 1990, with a total of 366 hulls produced. It was designed by the well known yacht designers Sparkman & Stevens. It's capsize ratio is a solid 1.87, displacement of 16265lb.The original boat was designed by Sparkman and Stephens to be built as a one-off racing design. The hull form was then purchased by the Yankee Boat Company in Marina del Rey, California. They built approximately 30 Yankee 38's before the business failed. The Yankee 38 had a shorter mast, single spreaders, and a longer boom. It had a 7 foot draft and a skeg-hung rudder. It had more of a traditional look with a deck house and smaller ports. The interior was not as light or roomy, with a pilot berth built into the starboard side of the cabin. There is a Yankee 38 named Bullet berthed in Shelton, WA. Also, a Catalina 38 owner reported that an infamous Yankee 38 called Damn Yankee can be found in Olympia, WA as well. It is a well known boat (hull #4 or 5) and can be found next to his Catalina 38, "Cyrena"! Frank Butler of Catalina Yachts purchased the molds from Yankee, and started building our boat. He wasn't content with redesigning the interior and giving it a Catalina deck. He put a taller mast, shorter boom, and moved the rudder and made it a balanced spade design for faster tacking. He also, so the story goes, called Sparkman and Stephens for permission to advertise it as a Sparkman and Stephens design. It is said that they asked for a royalty way beyond what he was willing to pay and he politely refused. He made the Catalina 38 a faster boat, and as a result for years it replaced the Cal 40 as the official Congressional Cup boat, one of the top match racing regattas in the world. It was, in turn, replaced by the Capri 37, also made by Catalina Yachts . If you ever see a strange looking Catalina 38 with a single spreader rig and a longer boom, it is hull number one. Also, a few 38's were steered with a tiller, but it was quickly determined that it was a little more of a handful with a tiller, so all thereafter were built with a wheel. It is possible that all the tillers have since been replaced with wheels. The original power plants, Atomic four gasoline engines, were replaced with 3 cylinder Universal diesels. A fascinating article on the racing configuration of the Catalina 38 can be found in the 8th edition of Royce's Sailing Illustrated. (Please contact Phil Gay if you have any additional information our history.) (c) 2006 - Catalina 38 Association Designed and maintained by Charles Finn From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 S&S classic IOR race design. The Catalina 38 used the molds when Yankee went bust. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 The Yankee 38 is essentially the same as a Catalina 38? Quite a few of them still raced in Southern Cal, it was the former Congressional Cup racer. There is a dedicated trophy for fastest Catalina 38 down the coast in the annual Marina del Rey to San Diego Race. They are still a very successful coastal racer. It is well known that Bill Lapworth despised the IOR rules for the sort of rule breaker boats they created...ugly too! Jerry --- On Wed, 1/21/09, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:13 AM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > Mike, I did a little research, the Yankee boat we passed in the Swiftsure, "Damn Yankee" was a Yankee 38 owned by Jim Thurman. > > I recall that as the wind built on the spinnaker run, she became very unstable, and started a rolling action. Jim at the helm, was spinning the wheel back and forth trying to stay under the spinnaker. The Cal 40 was completely solid under this condition and began to surf. The Yankee just dug in deeper and deeper. > > DY was a beautiful boat, with a "Woodie Woodpecker" smoking a flaming cigar as her logo. There were a couple of lighter Yankee 38s. One was Ghost, which was sunk in the Panama Canal when it was squished by a ship during transit. Another was Firelock and there may have been a third. The early ones were all overbuilt and heavy as hell. I did take my boat through a hurricane in the 1977 La Paz Race. We were sailing the whole time with a #4 jib and no main and racing while most of the fleet was hove to. It was indestructible but too heavy to go down wind in anything over 25 knots. It got really squirrely. We laid it down in a jibe-broach after a wild hour with a storm chute in 35 to 40 knots. It was the IOR shape. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Years ago I had a Cal-25 and was sailing in lake Erie in flat seas and moderate winds when a line squall came through with winds measured by the boat nearest me at 52 kts. (The CG measured 78 kts gusts about 20 miles from me) With a full main and a 130 genoa a Cal-25 will plane -- not surf. The bow wave moved back to the companion way and was higher than the deck. It was on helluva ride! Which I had a knot meter John Boyce Gotcha Again Cal 227 #650 _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal We surfed the Cal 20 pegging the 12 knot meter. Conditions were following breaking seas at about 4-6' and a 25 knot plus southerly. Departed from Avalon wing n wing with wisker pole. Catalina - LA light in about 2hrs and 10 min. Mark From: mtkennedy1 <mailto:mt… [at] cox.net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@> wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3786 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. <http://www.eset.com> com

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. > The only people who go out in a small boat in 40 knots on purpose are 16 year olds. I knew I had grown up when my dad and I went out to go sailing one day. We powered down the Saginaw River and into Saginaw Bay and the wind was blowing down the bay from the NE, the long-fetch direction (also head-on until we beat out farther into the bay). We were bouncing around and Dad said "you know, this is too much like work." And I agreed. Old age was upon me. Chris Campbell

... and have no financial responsibility for the craft. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:20 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs -tabbing removal. mtkennedy1 wrote: Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. The only people who go out in a small boat in 40 knots on purpose are 16 year olds. I knew I had grown up when my dad and I went out to go sailing one day. We powered down the Saginaw River and into Saginaw Bay and the wind was blowing down the bay from the NE, the long-fetch direction (also head-on until we beat out farther into the bay). We were bouncing around and Dad said "you know, this is too much like work." And I agreed. Old age was upon me. Chris Campbell

Fun story but should it have read ".... in lake Erie in flat lakes .... "?? :-). p.s. I grew up West of Cleveland. My folks still live their and they have a powerboat up in Cawtawba and i get there from time to time. From: John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:16:16 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal Years ago I had a Cal-25 and was sailing in lake Erie in flat seas and moderate winds when a line squall came through with winds measured by the boat nearest me at 52 kts. (The CG measured 78 kts gusts about 20 miles from me) With a full main and a 130 genoa a Cal-25 will plane -- not surf. The bow wave moved back to the companion way and was higher than the deck. It was on helluva ride! Which I had a knot meter John Boyce Gotcha Again Cal 227 #650 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal We surfed the Cal 20 pegging the 12 knot meter. Conditions were following breaking seas at about 4-6' and a 25 knot plus southerly. Departed from Avalon wing n wing with wisker pole. Catalina - LA light in about 2hrs and 10 min. Mark From: mtkennedy1 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_ Boats%40yahoogro ups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@ > wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3786 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > The Yankee 38 is essentially the same as a Catalina 38? > Quite a few of them still raced in Southern Cal, it was the former > Congressional Cup racer. Yankee Yachts closed down in the late 70s due to several factors. One was the new emission control laws in California that drove many manufacturers out of the state. When they closed, everything was auctioned off and Frank Butler bought the Yankee 38 mold. He had never built anything larger than the 30 at that point. He laid out a new deck mold and built the Catalina 38 hulls without ever paying any royalties to S&S. As a result, he is not popular with the original designers but I don't think he cares. Anyway, the Cat 38 is a descendant, possibly illegitimate, of the Yankee 38. By the way, John Shoemaker did not declare bankruptcy as he was wealthy from other sources. Had he been cheaper, his boats might have been faster. The Swan 38 is a sister ship of the Yankee 38 and is very similar in appearance with the small wedge cabin. Neither looks much like the Catalina 38. The Yankee had a great interior but the cockpit wasn't very comfortable with low backrests. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal Fun story but should it have read ".... in lake Erie in flat lakes .... "?? :-). p.s. I grew up West of Cleveland. My folks still live their and they have a powerboat up in Cawtawba and i get there from time to time. _____ From: John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:16:16 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal Years ago I had a Cal-25 and was sailing in lake Erie in flat seas and moderate winds when a line squall came through with winds measured by the boat nearest me at 52 kts. (The CG measured 78 kts gusts about 20 miles from me) With a full main and a 130 genoa a Cal-25 will plane -- not surf. The bow wave moved back to the companion way and was higher than the deck. It was on helluva ride! Which I had a knot meter John Boyce Gotcha Again Cal 227 #650 _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal We surfed the Cal 20 pegging the 12 knot meter. Conditions were following breaking seas at about 4-6' and a 25 knot plus southerly. Departed from Avalon wing n wing with wisker pole. Catalina - LA light in about 2hrs and 10 min. Mark From: mtkennedy1 <mailto:mt… [at] cox.net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com<mailto:Cal_ Boats%40yahoogro ups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@ > wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3786 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. <http://www.eset.com/> com

John Boyce wrote: > > If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake People who haven't sailed on the Great Lakes don't know what "square waves" are. Or, for that matter, high-frequency, high-amplitude sine waves. They're used to the low-frequency versions. In sailor terms, it's the difference between short-period and long-period waves. If you want to get banged around, sail on the Great Lakes in a storm. Ted Turner learned that the hard way. It doesn't necessarily make us better people than the salt-water sailors, but it makes us dry off faster when we get soaked. Maybe we smell better too. Chris Campbell > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

interesting comparison of Cal 40 Polars verses Yankee 38. The highlighted (negative) numbers are where the polars indicate the Cal 40 is slower than a Yankee 38, in knots. Top row is True Wind Speed (TWS), first column is True Wind Angle (TWA). In the Northwest the Yankee 38 rates 131 PHRF, whereas the Cal 40 (mine) rates 135 PHRF. 6 8 10 12 14 16 20 52 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 60 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 75 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 90 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.1 110 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.1 120 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.1 135 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 150 0.2 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 Just for fun I compared the Cal 40 verses the "Tubby Cruiser" Cal 46-2. Not as expected, the Cal 40 is slower than the Cal 46 in most conditions, once the 46 gets enough wind to "fire-up" TWA 6 8 10 12 14 16 20 52 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.5 0.3 0.1 0.1 60 0.7 0.6 0.3 0.0 -0.1 -0.2 -0.2 75 0.6 0.3 -0.1 -0.2 -0.3 -0.3 -0.4 90 0.4 0.1 -0.2 -0.3 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 110 0.4 0.1 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.5 120 0.4 0.2 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.4 135 0.3 0.3 0.0 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.4 150 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.0 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > The Yankee 38 is essentially the same as a Catalina 38? > Quite a few of them still raced in Southern Cal, it was the former > Congressional Cup racer. Yankee Yachts closed down in the late 70s due to several factors. One was the new emission control laws in California that drove many manufacturers out of the state. When they closed, everything was auctioned off and Frank Butler bought the Yankee 38 mold. He had never built anything larger than the 30 at that point. He laid out a new deck mold and built the Catalina 38 hulls without ever paying any royalties to S&S. As a result, he is not popular with the original designers but I don't think he cares. Anyway, the Cat 38 is a descendant, possibly illegitimate, of the Yankee 38. By the way, John Shoemaker did not declare bankruptcy as he was wealthy from other sources. Had he been cheaper, his boats might have been faster. The Swan 38 is a sister ship of the Yankee 38 and is very similar in appearance with the small wedge cabin. Neither looks much like the Catalina 38. The Yankee had a great interior but the cockpit wasn't very comfortable with low backrests. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > The Catalina 38 is a sloop-rigged<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop> sailboat manufactured by Catalina Yachts<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalina_Yachts> from 1977 to 1990, with a total of 366 hulls produced. It was designed by the well known yacht designers Sparkman & Stevens. It's capsize ratio is a solid 1.87, displacement of 16265lb.The original boat was designed by Sparkman and Stephens to be built as a one-off racing design. The hull form was then purchased by the Yankee Boat Company in Marina del Rey, California. They built approximately 30 Yankee 38's before the business failed. The Yankee 38 had a shorter mast, single spreaders, and a longer boom. It had a 7 foot draft and a skeg-hung rudder. It had more of a traditional look with a deck house and smaller ports. The interior was not as light or roomy, with a pilot berth built into the starboard side of the cabin. There is a Yankee 38 named Bullet berthed in Shelton, WA. Bullet is hull #1 and raced in the One Ton Worlds in Australia. Whimsey Tres won the Whitney Series a couple of times in the 70s. I think Whimsey was hull # 2 or 3. I preferred the Yankee interior as it has pilot berths and a very nice galley for use underway. The quarter berths are also very well done. > snipped > The original power plants, Atomic four gasoline engines, were replaced with 3 cylinder Universal diesels. The original power plants were four cylinder Westerbeke diesels. We had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > John Boyce wrote: > > > > If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake > > > > People who haven't sailed on the Great Lakes don't know what "square > waves" are. Or, for that matter, high-frequency, high-amplitude sine > waves. They're used to the low-frequency versions. In sailor terms, > it's the difference between short-period and long-period waves. If you > want to get banged around, sail on the Great Lakes in a storm. Ted > Turner learned that the hard way. It doesn't necessarily make us better I know about the square waves as I did a Port Huron to Mac race in 1978 on a Tartan 37. A front came through and that is one of my few times being sea sick. The only remedy was to stay topside and steer all night. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > people than the salt-water sailors, but it makes us dry off faster when > we get soaked. Maybe we smell better too. > > Chris Campbell > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ** > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >

Lets not forget the shallows in the Sea Of Cortez, out of nowwhere 10' breaking shoal about 5 miles out from Mission De Loreto...very scarrrrrrrrrry. Steep close together and out of know where. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal John Boyce wrote: If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake People who haven't sailed on the Great Lakes don't know what "square waves" are. Or, for that matter, high-frequency, high-amplitude sine waves. They're used to the low-frequency versions. In sailor terms, it's the difference between short-period and long-period waves. If you want to get banged around, sail on the Great Lakes in a storm. Ted Turner learned that the hard way. It doesn't necessarily make us better people than the salt-water sailors, but it makes us dry off faster when we get soaked. Maybe we smell better too. Chris Campbell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3787 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I was just razzing you; that said, i've spent a fair amount of time on lake erie. From: John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:25:34 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal Fun story but should it have read ".... in lake Erie in flat lakes .... "?? :-). p.s. I grew up West of Cleveland. My folks still live their and they have a powerboat up in Cawtawba and i get there from time to time. From: John Boyce <jecyob@gmail. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:16:16 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal Years ago I had a Cal-25 and was sailing in lake Erie in flat seas and moderate winds when a line squall came through with winds measured by the boat nearest me at 52 kts. (The CG measured 78 kts gusts about 20 miles from me) With a full main and a 130 genoa a Cal-25 will plane -- not surf. The bow wave moved back to the companion way and was higher than the deck. It was on helluva ride! Which I had a knot meter John Boyce Gotcha Again Cal 227 #650 From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:12 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal We surfed the Cal 20 pegging the 12 knot meter. Conditions were following breaking seas at about 4-6' and a 25 knot plus southerly. Departed from Avalon wing n wing with wisker pole. Catalina - LA light in about 2hrs and 10 min. Mark From: mtkennedy1 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > We have two surfing boats, a Cal "Roaring" 40 and a Cal 9.2. Both are Surfer Girls. > > Top speed known on a 40 is 25 knots (Stan Honey's Illusion & Peter ? Olympian). our top surf is 24.6. Knots. > > I would think your Lapworth Cal should be able to get out and move, wind and waves req'd. Our 9.2 (30 feet) has the top speed of 18, but without big seas maybe 13 is the top spot. Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. They were going great guns until they wiped out. Massive energy is where you find it. I can tell you that a Yankee 38 will NOT surf, however, even with 40 knots. I've been there. It wasn't pretty. 12 knots max, then disaster. I even have movie footage just before the jibe broach. That was about 100 miles off the coast of Baja, half way to Cabo. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:49:42 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_ Boats%40yahoogro ups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@ > wrote: > The more you allow a hull to flex, the more energy it takes to get onto > a plane. > > I don't know which Cal you have, but mine will need a massive amount of > energy to get it to plane, flex or no flex. > > Jack > Cal 31 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3786 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

And one more.... The Gulf of Mexico, (GOM), is shallow in many places and generates "square" waves also. We have enjoyed the Sea of Cortez square waves, but they don't compare to the GOM. Crossing from Pensacola to Tampa Bay, rhumb line, you rarely get in water over 50' deep. Bobbie and I always joked that if our Cal 46 sank, we could just climb up the mast and await rescue. Trying to bash into these seas is not pleasant and on a few occasions we have done the 180. WTH, Satori is a Pleasure Craft! Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 & 25, Homeport Pensacola --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:25 PM Lets not forget the shallows in the Sea Of Cortez, out of nowwhere 10' breaking shoal about 5 miles out from Mission De Loreto...very scarrrrrrrrrry. Steep close together and out of know where. Mark From: Chris Campbell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal John Boyce wrote: If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake People who haven't sailed on the Great Lakes don't know what "square waves" are. Or, for that matter, high-frequency, high-amplitude sine waves. They're used to the low-frequency versions. In sailor terms, it's the difference between short-period and long-period waves. If you want to get banged around, sail on the Great Lakes in a storm. Ted Turner learned that the hard way. It doesn't necessarily make us better people than the salt-water sailors, but it makes us dry off faster when we get soaked. Maybe we smell better too. Chris Campbell . __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3787 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Then there's that rough patch of water east of Manomy Island which nearly swallowed the Mayflower after it had successfully crossed the Atlantic Ocean when it had made landfall and was on its way south to the Hudson River, they say it's sunk quite a few ships over the years, more than the cape off the Carolinas ...? Jerry --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Surfing your Cal, Now Square Waves To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:40 AM And one more.... The Gulf of Mexico, (GOM), is shallow in many places and generates "square" waves also. We have enjoyed the Sea of Cortez square waves, but they don't compare to the GOM. Crossing from Pensacola to Tampa Bay, rhumb line, you rarely get in water over 50' deep. Bobbie and I always joked that if our Cal 46 sank, we could just climb up the mast and await rescue. Trying to bash into these seas is not pleasant and on a few occasions we have done the 180. WTH, Satori is a Pleasure Craft! Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 & 25, Homeport Pensacola --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <masconsult@cox. net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <masconsult@cox. net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:25 PM Lets not forget the shallows in the Sea Of Cortez, out of nowwhere 10' breaking shoal about 5 miles out from Mission De Loreto...very scarrrrrrrrrry. Steep close together and out of know where. Mark From: Chris Campbell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Surfing your Cal John Boyce wrote: If you sailed on "Lake" Erie you know that it ain't no lake People who haven't sailed on the Great Lakes don't know what "square waves" are. Or, for that matter, high-frequency, high-amplitude sine waves. They're used to the low-frequency versions. In sailor terms, it's the difference between short-period and long-period waves. If you want to get banged around, sail on the Great Lakes in a storm. Ted Turner learned that the hard way. It doesn't necessarily make us better people than the salt-water sailors, but it makes us dry off faster when we get soaked. Maybe we smell better too. Chris Campbell . __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3787 (20090121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > interesting comparison of Cal 40 Polars verses Yankee 38. > > The highlighted (negative) numbers are where the polars indicate the > Cal 40 is slower than a Yankee 38, in knots. Could you re-post this? For some reason, there is a Yahoo add obscuring the left side of the first chart, as received here. That seems to happen occasionally. Chris Campbell > > Top row is True Wind Speed (TWS), first column is True Wind Angle (TWA). > > In the Northwest the Yankee 38 rates 131 PHRF, whereas the Cal 40 > (mine) rates 135 PHRF. > > * * *6* *8* *10* *12* *14* *16* *20* > *52* 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 > *60* 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > *75* 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 > *90* 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.1 > *110* 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.1 > *120* 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.1 > *135* 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 > *150* 0.2 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 > > > > > Just for fun I compared the Cal 40 verses the "Tubby Cruiser" Cal > 46-2. Not as expected, the Cal 40 is slower than the Cal 46 in most > conditions, once the 46 gets enough wind to "fire-up" > > > *TWA* *6* *8* *10* *12* *14* *16* *20* > *52* 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.5 0.3 0.1 0.1 > *60* 0.7 0.6 0.3 0.0 -0.1 -0.2 -0.2 > *75* 0.6 0.3 -0.1 -0.2 -0.3 -0.3 -0.4 > *90* 0.4 0.1 -0.2 -0.3 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 > *110* 0.4 0.1 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.5 > *120* 0.4 0.2 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.4 > *135* 0.3 0.3 0.0 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.4 > *150* 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.0 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *mtkennedy1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:18 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Re: Damn Yankee - Yankee 38 > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > > > The Yankee 38 is essentially the same as a Catalina 38? > > Quite a few of them still raced in Southern Cal, it was the former > > Congressional Cup racer. > > Yankee Yachts closed down in the late 70s due to several factors. One > was the new emission control laws in California that drove many > manufacturers out of the state. When they closed, everything was > auctioned off and Frank Butler bought the Yankee 38 mold. He had never > built anything larger than the 30 at that point. He laid out a new > deck mold and built the Catalina 38 hulls without ever paying any > royalties to S&S. As a result, he is not popular with the original > designers but I don't think he cares. Anyway, the Cat 38 is a > descendant, possibly illegitimate, of the Yankee 38. > > By the way, John Shoemaker did not declare bankruptcy as he was > wealthy from other sources. Had he been cheaper, his boats might have > been faster. > > The Swan 38 is a sister ship of the Yankee 38 and is very similar in > appearance with the small wedge cabin. Neither looks much like the > Catalina 38. The Yankee had a great interior but the cockpit wasn't > very comfortable with low backrests. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM >

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > I know about the square waves as I did a Port Huron to Mac race in > 1978 on a Tartan 37. A front came through and that is one of my few > times being sea sick. The only remedy was to stay topside and steer > all night. > Chris is knocking on wood because he's going to say that he's never been seasick (yet). Most of my sailing in really big seas on the lakes has been on our local schooner. She has obligations all over in the summertime so we have to keep on a schedule. Remember, the word "weatherly" is not used in the same sentence as "cargo schooner." In the old days, time was cheap so they sailed to weather when that's where they were going, and it just took a while. Now, if we have to be at a festival, showing up on time is mandatory. Powering head-on into big seas is an interesting experience. You lack the steadying effect of sail area. It's up and down, up and down, all day or night long. What's really interesting is to watch the rig. On the schooner, the lower and top masts and the booms and gaffs are all solid pine. There's a lot of mass, and as you head up a wave, all that mass overhead accelerates backward as the bow rises. Then on the other side it all has to stop and accelerate forward as the bow falls. It goes on wave after wave. You come to respect the strength of the rig via its multiple components. The standing rigging is galvanized wire with deadeyes and lanyards on the shrouds and turnbuckles on the forestays and triatics. To keep the food down, I use the same remedy--stay on deck and do something, or when I just have to have some sleep, then I head directly below, do not pass go, and immediately lie down in my berth and close the eyes. Chris Campbell > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > I know about the square waves as I did a Port Huron to Mac race in > > 1978 on a Tartan 37. A front came through and that is one of my few > > times being sea sick. The only remedy was to stay topside and steer > > all night. I didn't mean to say I immune to seasickness like my ex-wife was or Mike Jr is. I used to take marazine the first few days of long races, then I was OK. Once I had to fix the bow running light in a race after the wind had died and the sea was still sloppy. I got so sick I had to lie down down for a while. I got kind of woozy trying to navigate in the hurricane. I finally gave it up and slept on the sails. I did have a lot of trouble with those short period waves on Lake Huron once the front came through. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. > > > > > > The only people who go out in a small boat in 40 knots on purpose are 16 > year olds. Actually, big of breeze can still be a lot of fun in your 40's. Depends on the boat (J24's are almost indestructable but not comfortable). The difference now is that I want a shower, a nice dinner and a comfortable bed afterward.

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > I didn't mean to say I immune to seasickness like my ex-wife was or > Mike Jr is. I used to take marazine the first few days of long races, > then I was OK. Once I had to fix the bow running light in a race after > the wind had died and the sea was still sloppy. I got so sick I had to > lie down down for a while. > I've been queasy working on the Cal 20 sitting on her mooring. This is in "seas" of perhaps 6 inches. Too much time staring at turnbuckles, or varnishing pads for the cam cleats, or (worst of all) painting and such down below, and even a little motion sneaks up on me. It's amazing. My prevention of choice out in the big stuff has been scopolamine patches, but kiddos, remember ol' uncle Chris's big admonition: ALWAYS WASH YOUR HANDS AFTER APPLYING THE PATCH, just as the instructions tell you. If you don't, the regert will last all day. Chris Campbell

michaelkennedy05 wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. > > > > > > > > > > > The only people who go out in a small boat in 40 knots on purpose are > 16 > > year olds. > > Actually, big of breeze can still be a lot of fun in your 40's. > Depends on the boat (J24's are almost indestructable but not > comfortable). The difference now is that I want a shower, a nice > dinner and a comfortable bed afterward. > I'm fully acquainted on a personal level with masochism, having had my sea kayak in the Great Lakes for the last 139 consecutive months. But no, you're right, it's fun to go out and zip around in a good breeze. In the summer when we have a good north wind my Cal 20 may be the only other boat on our Bay except for the local schooners. But not in 40 knots. It's to scary getting in and out of the mooring field. I don't like banging up my own boat but it's even less admirable to damage somebody else's. Maybe OK with a crew but nobody else will go sailing with me then. Chris Campbell > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > I didn't mean to say I immune to seasickness like my ex-wife was or > > Mike Jr is. I used to take marazine the first few days of long races, > > then I was OK. Once I had to fix the bow running light in a race after > > the wind had died and the sea was still sloppy. I got so sick I had to > > lie down down for a while. > > > > > > > > > > I've been queasy working on the Cal 20 sitting on her mooring. This is > in "seas" of perhaps 6 inches. Too much time staring at turnbuckles, or > varnishing pads for the cam cleats, or (worst of all) painting and such > down below, and even a little motion sneaks up on me. It's amazing. > > My prevention of choice out in the big stuff has been scopolamine > patches, but kiddos, remember ol' uncle Chris's big admonition: ALWAYS > WASH YOUR HANDS AFTER APPLYING THE PATCH, just as the instructions tell > you. If you don't, the regert will last all day. A friend's wife ended up with a CAT scan of her brain because she had rubbed her eye after applying a patch. It dilated her pupil on that side for hours. When she complained of blurred vision, she got examined and then had a CAT scan because they were worried about a brain tumor. Wash your hands AND remember that you applied a scope patch. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > My prevention of choice out in the big stuff has been scopolamine > > patches, but kiddos, remember ol' uncle Chris's big admonition: ALWAYS > > WASH YOUR HANDS AFTER APPLYING THE PATCH, just as the instructions tell > > you. If you don't, the regert will last all day. > > A friend's wife ended up with a CAT scan of her brain because she had > rubbed her eye after applying a patch. It dilated her pupil on that > side for hours. When she complained of blurred vision, she got > examined and then had a CAT scan because they were worried about a > brain tumor. > > Wash your hands AND remember that you applied a scope patch. > In my case, the dilation was instantaneous and occurred just after I had applied the patch, so there was no doubt about cause and effect and only a residual embarrassment at having been so stupid. But that is a condition I can tolerate, after repeated exposure (the embarrassment over stupidity, that it). The instructions are very clear although perhaps they should say "Many dimwits fail to wash their hands and then they touch their eye, causing blurred vision. This means you." Chris Campbell > >

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Why not fix vs remove: Bulkhead tabbing repairs - tabbing removal. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:48 AM michaelkennedy05 wrote: --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@ ...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > Mike Jr, at the age of 16, had a J 24 out in 40 knots. > > > > > > The only people who go out in a small boat in 40 knots on purpose are 16 > year olds. Actually, big of breeze can still be a lot of fun in your 40's. Depends on the boat (J24's are almost indestructable but not comfortable) . The difference now is that I want a shower, a nice dinner and a comfortable bed afterward. I'm fully acquainted on a personal level with masochism, having had my sea kayak in the Great Lakes for the last 139 consecutive months. But no, you're right, it's fun to go out and zip around in a good breeze. In the summer when we have a good north wind my Cal 20 may be the only other boat on our Bay except for the local schooners. But not in 40 knots. It's to scary getting in and out of the mooring field. I don't like banging up my own boat but it's even less admirable to damage somebody else's. Maybe OK with a crew but nobody else will go sailing with me then. Chris Campbell Awe shucks, Chris! I'd go out with you, if I were up there, but... what about those killer snails and man eating lampray eels I've heard about? The snails can immediately attach themselves to your cockpit drains and sink your boat, and the lamprey eels, when your boat sinks from under you and your treading water, will attach themselves to your body like vorachious pirhanas and suck the life juices out of you? Sounds scary. I'd rather take my chances with the broaching Grey Whales and Great White Sharks out here. It least death will come more quickly. Jerry

I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. We managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk Skip Allen's "Wildflower." I had scopolamine in my system the whole trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some vivid, beautiful hallucinations. I was driving this 50 sailboat right through three story Victorian houses that were parked on the waves. The detail was amazing right down to the gingerbread eave trim and gargoyles on the ridges. I knew I was hallucinating but the strong urge to veer port or starboard to avoid collision was strong the whole 4 hours. It was memorable. This months Practical Sailor has a review on seasickness meds and scopolamine was NOT a "Recommended Best Buy." I'll try ginger next time. In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > My prevention of choice out in the big stuff has been scopolamine > > > patches, but kiddos, remember ol' uncle Chris's big admonition: ALWAYS > > > WASH YOUR HANDS AFTER APPLYING THE PATCH, just as the instructions tell > > > you. If you don't, the regert will last all day. > > > > A friend's wife ended up with a CAT scan of her brain because she had > > rubbed her eye after applying a patch. It dilated her pupil on that > > side for hours. When she complained of blurred vision, she got > > examined and then had a CAT scan because they were worried about a > > brain tumor. > > > > Wash your hands AND remember that you applied a scope patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my case, the dilation was instantaneous and occurred just after I had > applied the patch, so there was no doubt about cause and effect and only > a residual embarrassment at having been so stupid. But that is a > condition I can tolerate, after repeated exposure (the embarrassment > over stupidity, that it). The instructions are very clear although > perhaps they should say "Many dimwits fail to wash their hands and then > they touch their eye, causing blurred vision. This means you." > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

Dan wrote: > > I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. We > managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk > Skip Allen's "Wildflower." I had scopolamine in my system the whole > trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some > vivid, beautiful hallucinations. > Gee, Dan, now this is going to become a drug of choice among the high school set and I won't be able to buy it any more. We ought to keep this a secret. Most of these concoctions work mostly because of the placebo effect, I think: by taking them, we feel relieved from worry about sea sickness and so we don't get sick. When I was a kid, I'd take Dramamine, an OTC pill, to prevent motion sickness in air travel. Mind you, the planes never bumped around more than a few moments, but the worry about using the barf bag was a powerful one. Taking the pill eased my mind. The Scop patch seems to have the same effect. I always remember one time I took the car ferry across Lake Michigan. One woman was sick before the boat left the dock. There was no motion at all, but she was convinced she'd be sick so she was. Certainly there is true motion sickness, and I feel it if I'm disconnected from the horizon on a boat or when reading in a moving car. But there's also the expectation-induced illness, the self-monitoring that begins when we worry that something might happen, and the various cures affect this very well. Chris Campbell

Dan, I grew up in one of those Victorian houses. Last time I looked she wasn't there. It gone, covered over, English gardens, gargoyles and all, by a sprawling brick pseudo Georgian garden apartments (this is in Plainfield NJ). When my dad passed away, his ashes were spread in the Pacific Ocean. Anyway, thanks for the post; it's grand to know Dad's living in style out there in our old home on the storm tossed sea! PS: No I don't think you were hallucinating at all. Maybe I am, tho. Jerry --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Dan <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dan <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Surfing your Cal To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:59 AM I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. We managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk Skip Allen's "Wildflower. " I had scopolamine in my system the whole trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some vivid, beautiful hallucinations. I was driving this 50 sailboat right through three story Victorian houses that were parked on the waves. The detail was amazing right down to the gingerbread eave trim and gargoyles on the ridges. I knew I was hallucinating but the strong urge to veer port or starboard to avoid collision was strong the whole 4 hours. It was memorable. This months Practical Sailor has a review on seasickness meds and scopolamine was NOT a "Recommended Best Buy." I'll try ginger next time. In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@ ...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > My prevention of choice out in the big stuff has been scopolamine > > > patches, but kiddos, remember ol' uncle Chris's big admonition: ALWAYS > > > WASH YOUR HANDS AFTER APPLYING THE PATCH, just as the instructions tell > > > you. If you don't, the regert will last all day. > > > > A friend's wife ended up with a CAT scan of her brain because she had > > rubbed her eye after applying a patch. It dilated her pupil on that > > side for hours. When she complained of blurred vision, she got > > examined and then had a CAT scan because they were worried about a > > brain tumor. > > > > Wash your hands AND remember that you applied a scope patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my case, the dilation was instantaneous and occurred just after I had > applied the patch, so there was no doubt about cause and effect and only > a residual embarrassment at having been so stupid. But that is a > condition I can tolerate, after repeated exposure (the embarrassment > over stupidity, that it). The instructions are very clear although > perhaps they should say "Many dimwits fail to wash their hands and then > they touch their eye, causing blurred vision. This means you." > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > When my dad passed away, his ashes were spread in the Pacific Ocean. > We split my Dad's ashes between Lake Michigan, where he sailed as a kid, and Lake Huron, where he sailed as an adult (and a bunch of other places that he enjoyed, too). We took a whole day visiting sites and doing a bit of surreptitious ash-planting all over the Lake Michigan scenes of his exploits. It made a good way to remember him and laugh about good memories. I recommend it if you've got a pot of ashes of somebody who enjoyed life. For the other ones, the dumpster will do, but most sailors are the kind of folks we want to remember, aren't they? Chris Campbell > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <saltybob2@...> wrote: > > I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. We > managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk > Skip Allen's "Wildflower." I had scopolamine in my system the whole > trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some > vivid, beautiful hallucinations. I was driving this 50 sailboat right > through three story Victorian houses that were parked on the waves. > The detail was amazing right down to the gingerbread eave trim and > gargoyles on the ridges. I knew I was hallucinating but the strong > urge to veer port or starboard to avoid collision was strong the > whole 4 hours. It was memorable. > This months Practical Sailor has a review on seasickness meds and > scopolamine was NOT a "Recommended Best Buy." I'll try ginger next > time. I would recommend Marazine next time. I used to have a pharmacy make up a combination of ephedrine and something else but ephedrine is now a big deal to the DEA and may not be available. The theory was that your inner ear got swollen from the motion of fluid around hair cells and the decongestant reduced the swelling. That is a well know side effect of scope for some people. I once saw a young woman go completely nuts during labor from getting scope. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <saltybob2@...> wrote: > > I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. We > managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk > Skip Allen's "Wildflower." I had scopolamine in my system the whole > trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some > vivid, beautiful hallucinations. I was driving this 50 sailboat right > through three story Victorian houses that were parked on the waves. > The detail was amazing right down to the gingerbread eave trim and > gargoyles on the ridges. I knew I was hallucinating but the strong > urge to veer port or starboard to avoid collision was strong the > whole 4 hours. It was memorable. > This months Practical Sailor has a review on seasickness meds and > scopolamine was NOT a "Recommended Best Buy." I'll try ginger next > time. I would recommend Marazine next time. I used to have a pharmacy make up a combination of ephedrine and something else but ephedrine is now a big deal to the DEA and may not be available. The theory was that your inner ear got swollen from the motion of fluid around hair cells and the decongestant reduced the swelling. That is a well know side effect of scope for some people. I once saw a young woman go completely nuts during labor from getting scope. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > That is a well know side effect of scope for some people. I once saw a > young woman go completely nuts during labor from getting scope. > So I guess it's not advised to give birth on a boat during high seas? One more advantage to being male. Chris Campbell > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > That is a well know side effect of scope for some people. I once saw a > > young woman go completely nuts during labor from getting scope. > > > > > > > > So I guess it's not advised to give birth on a boat during high seas? > > One more advantage to being male. > > Chris Campbell Wasn't Warwick Tompkins Jr (Commodore) born aboard his parents schooner ? Maybe it was calm. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > >

We have had the very best luck with Stugeron, an antihistamine that turns off the vomit center. We have had the pressure point wrist doo-dads, electric shock watches, Dramamine, ginger, scopolamine etc. Some of the oddest crew problems were with Scopolamine, usually either a stupor, or hallucination as side effects. I does also seem to help prevent Sea sickness, but I would not say that it is a guarantee. With all systems and meds, the first time you try them out. do it days before you need them, and try them out at home, to see what they do to you. As I have never - ever been sea sick, here's my system... eat-eat-eat, always nibble on something. Drink-drink-drink, keep your fluids moving, pee clear! (no alcohol or acidy stuff), Gatorade the best. use peripheral vision, staring at something while moving messes with your brain. Keep busy mentally, look into the future, drive or trim actively, work on strategy. sing a song. Monitor Body temps, avoid being too hot or cold, I prefer to be a little cold, and I like lots of fresh air. Protect eyes from bright light, Polarized glasses and a hat with an underside dark brim. Avoid sunburn to head; face, bald spot, back of neck and top of ears. When I do start feeling a bit crappy, usually because its a dark cold and rough night, drink more Gatorade or sugar cola and start telling jokes! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Surfing your Cal --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dan" <saltybob2@...> wrote: > > I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. We > managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk > Skip Allen's "Wildflower." I had scopolamine in my system the whole > trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some > vivid, beautiful hallucinations. I was driving this 50 sailboat right > through three story Victorian houses that were parked on the waves. > The detail was amazing right down to the gingerbread eave trim and > gargoyles on the ridges. I knew I was hallucinating but the strong > urge to veer port or starboard to avoid collision was strong the > whole 4 hours. It was memorable. > This months Practical Sailor has a review on seasickness meds and > scopolamine was NOT a "Recommended Best Buy." I'll try ginger next > time. I would recommend Marazine next time. I used to have a pharmacy make up a combination of ephedrine and something else but ephedrine is now a big deal to the DEA and may not be available. The theory was that your inner ear got swollen from the motion of fluid around hair cells and the decongestant reduced the swelling. That is a well know side effect of scope for some people. I once saw a young woman go completely nuts during labor from getting scope. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > > > Some of the oddest crew problems were with Scopolamine, usually either > a stupor, or hallucination as side effects. Wow, now I can blame my lack of acuity on something. "I'm not usually this stupid, it must be the Scopolamine." > > eat-eat-eat, always nibble on something. > Drink-drink-drink, keep your fluids moving, pee clear! ( Apparently Scopolamine can have an adverse effect on peeing, for those of us with misbehaving prostate glands. I take pills so I can pee, and yet the Scop seems not to have affected my peeing. Just be warned, for those of you that have impaired flow--it might make things worse. Best to try it out before you're at sea. > > When I do start feeling a bit crappy, usually because its a dark cold > and rough night, drink more Gatorade or sugar cola and start telling > jokes! There are two kinds of crew mates. One kind gets all whiny and pitiful. The other kind puts some effort into being active and cheerful. I know what kind I'd rather sail with, so I also know what kind to be when things get rough. Chris Campbell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

Here's what I use and should've given you that day... On Jan 23, 2009, at 17:44 , <ti… [at] ch2m.com> <ti… [at] ch2m.com > wrote: > We have had the very best luck with Stugeron, an antihistamine that > turns off the vomit center. > > We have had the pressure point wrist doo-dads, electric shock > watches, Dramamine, ginger, scopolamine etc. > > Some of the oddest crew problems were with Scopolamine, usually > either a stupor, or hallucination as side effects. > I does also seem to help prevent Sea sickness, but I would not say > that it is a guarantee. > > With all systems and meds, the first time you try them out. do it > days before you need them, and try them out at home, to see what > they do to you. > > As I have never - ever been sea sick, here's my system... > > eat-eat-eat, always nibble on something. > Drink-drink-drink, keep your fluids moving, pee clear! (no alcohol > or acidy stuff), Gatorade the best. > use peripheral vision, staring at something while moving messes > with your brain. > Keep busy mentally, look into the future, drive or trim actively, > work on strategy. sing a song. > Monitor Body temps, avoid being too hot or cold, I prefer to be a > little cold, and I like lots of fresh air. > Protect eyes from bright light, Polarized glasses and a hat with an > underside dark brim. > Avoid sunburn to head; face, bald spot, back of neck and top of ears. > > When I do start feeling a bit crappy, usually because its a dark > cold and rough night, drink more Gatorade or sugar cola and start > telling jokes! > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:59 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Surfing your Cal > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <saltybob2@...> wrote: > > > > I just finished an offshore delivery and used scopolamine patches. > We > > managed to sail into two gales over 6 days. (Same storms that sunk > > Skip Allen's "Wildflower." I had scopolamine in my system the whole > > trip. I had the trick on the last night out and began having some > > vivid, beautiful hallucinations. I was driving this 50 sailboat > right > > through three story Victorian houses that were parked on the waves. > > The detail was amazing right down to the gingerbread eave trim and > > gargoyles on the ridges. I knew I was hallucinating but the strong > > urge to veer port or starboard to avoid collision was strong the > > whole 4 hours. It was memorable. > > This months Practical Sailor has a review on seasickness meds and > > scopolamine was NOT a "Recommended Best Buy." I'll try ginger next > > time. > > I would recommend Marazine next time. I used to have a pharmacy make > up a combination of ephedrine and something else but ephedrine is now > a big deal to the DEA and may not be available. The theory was that > your inner ear got swollen from the motion of fluid around hair cells > and the decongestant reduced the swelling. > > That is a well know side effect of scope for some people. I once saw a > young woman go completely nuts during labor from getting scope. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > >