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OK again, I found the Glen Wilson article, and it had the "Let's Go Sailing FAQ" attached, so it must have been his drafting. I have attached it as a WordPerfect document. Chris Campbell The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Let's Go Sailing FAQ.wpd

Lol! I love the part about having all that emergency equipment that has never had to be used yet! Also the term "deck potato" is greatly amusing, and likely to be taken as less of an offense as "rail meat" seems to be, for some reason. Funny, it seems the sailing newbs always worry about "the boat tipping over"; explaining about the keel and all that has assuaged many an unfounded fear aboard our wee boat. The temporary marriages are a hoot as well, but next thing you know they'll be wanting the skipper to perform bar mitzvahs, catochisms, baptisms, and divorces! Also, wow... word perfect - that's a blast from the past. You lawyers will never let wordperfect go! Thx for this great document! After editing it to taste, I'm printing some out for sure. Jean-Louis Fallon From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 2:19:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Emailing: Let's Go Sailing FAQ.wpd OK again, I found the Glen Wilson article, and it had the "Let's Go Sailing FAQ" attached, so it must have been his drafting. I have attached it as a WordPerfect document. Chris Campbell The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Let's Go Sailing FAQ.wpd

My bride is a published author! http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf page 54 Reggie

Wow! Your new boat is gorgeous; it must be very difficult to be so far from her. Also, your bride is a good writer. -Jean-Louis From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: Ace <as… [at] rmlh.com>; NFYC Ray and Anita Verlage <rv… [at] gmail.com>; NFYC Bev Thornton <be… [at] gov.ab.ca>; NFYC Dick Graf <ea… [at] aboutmontana.net>; NFYC Doug Thornton <do… [at] thorntonfinancialstrategies.com>; li… [at] yahoo.com; NFYC Susan Lewis <su… [at] centurytel.net>; Matt Thompson <st… [at] hotmail.com>; mi… [at] celticnaut.org; sa… [at] hotmail.com; so… [at] sailforfreedom.com; re… [at] insurance-solutions.biz Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 6:29:16 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL articles My bride is a published author! http://www.southwin dsmagazine. com/pdfs/ southwindsfebrua ry2009.pdf page 54 Reggie

Nice article from Barbara. I miss you guys. Wilkie On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Lord Nougat wrote: > > Wow! Your new boat is gorgeous; it must be very difficult to be so > far from her. > Also, your bride is a good writer. > > > -Jean-Louis > > From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Cc: Ace <as… [at] rmlh.com>; NFYC Ray and Anita Verlage <rv… [at] gmail.com > >; NFYC Bev Thornton <be… [at] gov.ab.ca>; NFYC Dick Graf <ea… [at] aboutmontana.net > >; NFYC Doug Thornton <do… [at] thorntonfinancialstrategies.com>; li… [at] yahoo.com > ; NFYC Susan Lewis <su… [at] centurytel.net>; Matt Thompson <st… [at] hotmail.com > >; mi… [at] celticnaut.org; sa… [at] hotmail.com; so… [at] sailforfreedom.com > ; re… [at] insurance-solutions.biz > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 6:29:16 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL articles > > > My bride is a published author! > > http://www.southwin dsmagazine. com/pdfs/ southwindsfebrua ry2009.pdf > > page 54 > > Reggie > > > >

Hello fellow Cal-listers, have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks... Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately....) Any knowledgeable input appreciated, Sabine Cal 3-30 "Estrella" formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st)

Talk to Dave at this place http://www.vannessengineering.com/ before you give up on your atomic 4. I have a 50 year old Gray Marine 4 that he helps me keep going. Worst case, when mine gives out I will get a rebuilt from him for much less than repower. Allen --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@...> wrote: > > Hello fellow Cal-listers, > > have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks... > > Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately....) > > Any knowledgeable input appreciated, > > Sabine > > Cal 3-30 "Estrella" > > formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" > (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st) >

also talk with Tom Vandiver on this list Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.comDate: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:04:13 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Talk to Dave at this place http://www.vannessengineering.com/ before you give up on your atomic 4. I have a 50 year old Gray Marine 4 that he helps me keep going. Worst case, when mine gives out I will get a rebuilt from him for much less than repower.Allen--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@...> wrote:>> Hello fellow Cal-listers,> > have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks...> > Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately....)> > Any knowledgeable input appreciated,> > Sabine> > Cal 3-30 "Estrella"> > formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" > (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st)>

Has anyone re powered with a Beta Marine engine and, if so, what was your experience like? Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: "xhpspd" <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:04:13 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Talk to Dave at this place http://www.vannessengineering.com/ before you give up on your atomic 4. I have a 50 year old Gray Marine 4 that he helps me keep going. Worst case, when mine gives out I will get a rebuilt from him for much less than repower. Allen --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@...> wrote: > > Hello fellow Cal-listers, > > have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks... > > Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately....) > > Any knowledgeable input appreciated, > > Sabine > > Cal 3-30 "Estrella" > > formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" > (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st) >

i repowered with a beta marine diesel... and it has been the best upgrade to the boat i have made.. i had a marine mechanic do the work so i didnt have to deal with all the hassle of vibrations, ect.... i opted for the 13.5 hp model and added a beefed up alternator to charged the dual battery set up i have. these engines are made to replace old atomic 4's.. cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

Sabine, I'll add my voice to those encouraging to to struggle forward with your Atomic Bomb until a diesel repower is feasible. Converting a 12,000+ lb. (yes it is, trust me) sailboat to outboard power is going to be costly, and ultimately unsatisfactory, to say nothing of esthetically unpleasant. You have better alternatives, many of which have been pointed out since your posting yesterday. They may require creativity, and will certainly necessitate spending as few boatyard bucks as possible, but in the long run, you'll be a happier person. Ultimately, a diesel repower, as I did with Nemesis in 2000, might be your best solution, but if it is not feasible, it is not feasible. I spent as much on Nemesis' repower as I did to purchase the boat. While I love the results, I now know I could have achieved the same end for a bunch less money, and that I could probably have patched the GrayMarine Sea Scout 25 back together for even less. Take the two grand that you will wind up spending on the outboard set-up, and the labor you will spend on the rigging and re-rigging, you are well on your way to keeping the Atomic chugging along. A functioning, even less than perfectly, inboard engine will be more satisfactory in the long run than a jury rigged outboard. My experience, as with most on this list, is that if I had to spend boatyard dollars, I couldn't afford to be in the hobby. By that I don't mean that I never spend them, but that I try to keep them to a minimum by either doing my own work, or trading out either my labor or boat time in lieu of having the yard do anything that I could do. I have had the good fortune to have a small network of talented friends help guide me through many projects I might never have accomplished otherwise. Case in point, over the summer I upgraded the original Signet instruments to new and used Navmans that we acquired over eBay. Fiver, who was a contributer to this list, helped with the installation, which included both repair of the bulkhead and wiring of the instruments. We didn't get the windpoint hooked up at that time because of the need to pull the mast. In December I broke one of the original spreaders (dry rot), which brought the issue to a head. $15 worth of spruce and some time with a belt sander, and I am almost ready to install the new spreaders. While the boat was disabled, we pulled the mast, using the yacht club's crane, and ran the wiring for the new instrument down the mast. I think we had about $400 in instruments, and another $300 in materials for the whole project. Boatyard fees, $7.00 to use the crane. BTW, the spreaders will get four or five coats of varnish, and then have their tops coated with white Brightsides paint. The white really slows down the UV, and the clear varnish on the bottoms helps keep Nemesis the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. Over the past 15 years I have done a great deal of work on my 3-30. There is much more to be done. If I can be of any help to you and Estrella, please let me know. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 6, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Sabine Faulhaber wrote: > Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my > Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is > finally starting to show its age...

Thanks Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Eric Jackson <er… [at] mac.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:08:45 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices i repowered with a beta marine diesel... and it has been the best upgrade to the boat i have made.. i had a marine mechanic do the work so i didnt have to deal with all the hassle of vibrations, ect.... i opted for the 13.5 hp model and added a beefed up alternator to charged the dual battery set up i have. these engines are made to replace old atomic 4's.. cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

Fred What did you install? How much did it cost? How could you have saved money? Thanks Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Fred Haas <ol… [at] seanet.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:17:04 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Sabine, I'll add my voice to those encouraging to to struggle forward with your Atomic Bomb until a diesel repower is feasible. Converting a 12,000+ lb. (yes it is, trust me) sailboat to outboard power is going to be costly, and ultimately unsatisfactory, to say nothing of esthetically unpleasant. You have better alternatives, many of which have been pointed out since your posting yesterday. They may require creativity, and will certainly necessitate spending as few boatyard bucks as possible, but in the long run, you'll be a happier person. Ultimately, a diesel repower, as I did with Nemesis in 2000, might be your best solution, but if it is not feasible, it is not feasible. I spent as much on Nemesis' repower as I did to purchase the boat. While I love the results, I now know I could have achieved the same end for a bunch less money, and that I could probably have patched the GrayMarine Sea Scout 25 back together for even less. Take the two grand that you will wind up spending on the outboard set-up, and the labor you will spend on the rigging and re-rigging, you are well on your way to keeping the Atomic chugging along. A functioning, even less than perfectly, inboard engine will be more satisfactory in the long run than a jury rigged outboard. My experience, as with most on this list, is that if I had to spend boatyard dollars, I couldn't afford to be in the hobby. By that I don't mean that I never spend them, but that I try to keep them to a minimum by either doing my own work, or trading out either my labor or boat time in lieu of having the yard do anything that I could do. I have had the good fortune to have a small network of talented friends help guide me through many projects I might never have accomplished otherwise. Case in point, over the summer I upgraded the original Signet instruments to new and used Navmans that we acquired over eBay. Fiver, who was a contributer to this list, helped with the installation, which included both repair of the bulkhead and wiring of the instruments. We didn't get the windpoint hooked up at that time because of the need to pull the mast. In December I broke one of the original spreaders (dry rot), which brought the issue to a head. $15 worth of spruce and some time with a belt sander, and I am almost ready to install the new spreaders. While the boat was disabled, we pulled the mast, using the yacht club's crane, and ran the wiring for the new instrument down the mast. I think we had about $400 in instruments, and another $300 in materials for the whole project. Boatyard fees, $7.00 to use the crane. BTW, the spreaders will get four or five coats of varnish, and then have their tops coated with white Brightsides paint. The white really slows down the UV, and the clear varnish on the bottoms helps keep Nemesis the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. Over the past 15 years I have done a great deal of work on my 3-30. There is much more to be done. If I can be of any help to you and Estrella, please let me know. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 6, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Sabine Faulhaber wrote: > Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my > Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is > finally starting to show its age...

Reggie & Barbara, I enjoyed the article and the photo of your boat. I sure would like to see more of the boat. Your Cal 36 is in Forida, mine is in Anacortes, Hmmn? Anacortes is only nine and half hours from western Montana, Hmmn? I wonder what the cheapest flight to Pensacola costs, Hmmn?? It looks like Good Old Boat magazine is going to do a feature story on my Cal 25. Don't know when yet, but the photos left last week. You guys should post a photo album of your boat on our Cal group. Then mine won't be the only Cal Crusiing 36 on the site. Hey members! I'm new to the site and would like to see more of you posting your boat photos.I posted both my boats Sognare and Sinfonietta several weeks ago. I'm thinking about submitting more Cal boat articles to magazines does anyone know of some unique Cals I maybe able to write about? Magazines don't pay great but the $ helps contribute to upkeep or slip fees. Chris Roberts From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: Ace <as… [at] rmlh.com>; NFYC Ray and Anita Verlage <rv… [at] gmail.com>; NFYC Bev Thornton <be… [at] gov.ab.ca>; NFYC Dick Graf <ea… [at] aboutmontana.net>; NFYC Doug Thornton <do… [at] thorntonfinancialstrategies.com>; li… [at] yahoo.com; NFYC Susan Lewis <su… [at] centurytel.net>; Matt Thompson <st… [at] hotmail.com>; mi… [at] celticnaut.org; sa… [at] hotmail.com; so… [at] sailforfreedom.com; re… [at] insurance-solutions.biz Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 7:29:16 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL articles My bride is a published author! http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf page 54 Reggie

I repowered my 2-29 with a Beta Marine engine and it was a great experience. Joe DeMers is extremely helpful. If you have questions about repowering with a Beta Marine, He is the man. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, Wa From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:04 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Has anyone re powered with a Beta Marine engine and, if so, what was your experience like? Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _____ From: "xhpspd" Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:04:13 -0000 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Talk to Dave at this place http://www.vannessengineering.com/ before you give up on your atomic 4. I have a 50 year old Gray Marine 4 that he helps me keep going. Worst case, when mine gives out I will get a rebuilt from him for muc h less than repower. Allen --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@...> wrote: > > Hello fellow Cal-listers, > > have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks... > > Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately....) > > Any knowledgeable input appreciated, > > Sabine > > Cal 3-30 "Estrella" > > formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" > (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st) >

Chris, Your boat is gorgeous and the photos are great! Keep up the good work. Wilkie On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > > Reggie & Barbara, > I enjoyed the article and the photo of your boat. I sure would like > to see more of the boat. Your Cal 36 is in Forida, mine is in > Anacortes, Hmmn? > Anacortes is only nine and half hours from western Montana, Hmmn? I > wonder what the cheapest flight to Pensacola costs, Hmmn?? > It looks like Good Old Boat magazine is going to do a feature story > on my Cal 25. Don't know when yet, but the photos left last week. > You guys should post a photo album of your boat on our Cal group. > Then mine won't be the only Cal Crusiing 36 on the site. > Hey members! I'm new to the site and would like to see more of you > posting your boat photos.I posted both my boats Sognare and > Sinfonietta several weeks ago. > I'm thinking about submitting more Cal boat articles to magazines > does anyone know of some unique Cals I maybe able to write about? > Magazines don't pay great but the $ helps contribute to upkeep or > slip fees. > Chris Roberts > > > > From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Cc: Ace <as… [at] rmlh.com>; NFYC Ray and Anita Verlage <rv… [at] gmail.com > >; NFYC Bev Thornton <be… [at] gov.ab.ca>; NFYC Dick Graf <ea… [at] aboutmontana.net > >; NFYC Doug Thornton <do… [at] thorntonfinancialstrategies.com>; li… [at] yahoo.com > ; NFYC Susan Lewis <su… [at] centurytel.net>; Matt Thompson <st… [at] hotmail.com > >; mi… [at] celticnaut.org; sa… [at] hotmail.com; so… [at] sailforfreedom.com > ; re… [at] insurance-solutions.biz > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 7:29:16 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL articles > > > My bride is a published author! > > http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf > > page 54 > > Reggie > > > > >

Hi Sabine, There are a few people left on the list who refuse to give up on the A 4's. I still have mine installed. It had a new exhaust added before I bought Out Patient. My only woes have been fuel, keep the gas clean and replace the ignition with an eletronic one. I have not had any other problems. What is the matter with yours? Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 1:45 AM Hello fellow Cal-listers, have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks... Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately. ...) Any knowledgeable input appreciated, Sabine Cal 3-30 "Estrella" formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st)

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Eric Jackson <ericjacksonphoto@...> wrote: i repowered with a beta marine diesel... and it has been the best upgrade to the boat i have made.. i had a marine mechanic do the work so i didnt have to deal with all <SNIP> Eric: I've been planning on a Beta Marine re-power too. Commercial real estate is swirling down the bowl with the rest of the economy right now, so I'll need to wait a bit longer. In the mean time, it appears that my 34 Mk lll will require major surgery to complete the project. Did you have to remove the galley cabinetry to remove/install the new engine? How long did the project take your mechanic? Cheers, Dan >

Read, I installed a Universal 25 XPB, which came with a Hurth 50 transmission. The engine , which is a 25 hp marinized Kubota 3 cylinder, has been fabulous. I believe this is one of the engines that Beta uses. The Hurth, which is rated well below the output of the engine, has ben a POS. We replaced it at 100 hours, and it is showing signs of slippage at 800. I have converted it to full synthetic fluid, which is changed at least every 100 hours. I chose the more powerful, for a 3-30, engine because I had an incident where I couldn't get around a buoy in 30 knots of wind and some current with my 25 hp gas engine. Not wanting to be caught in a similar situation again, the extra $500 or so for some redundant horsepower seemed reasonable. I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm. I would probably have the same engine again, only the Beta version, which is more easily serviced, and has to have a better tranny. In 2000 dollars, I spent about $6000 on the engine, and a little more than that on the installation. I paid the engine supplier to do the complete removal and installation, doing only the bilge clean up myself. Through naivete, I did not get a firm quote on the install, and got hammered on the price. The job did include new through hulls, including exhaust, fuel tank, and muffler, but it was still overly expensive. I could have saved money by doing my own dismantling and removal of the old engine. There is no magic involved in that, just labor hours, which at that time may have been 50 or 60 bucks apiece. Similarly, I could have done the fuel tank job myself. Had I spec'd the tank, I would have had it made with both a gauge and a couple of clean-out ports. The cost would have been minimal at the time. I believe I would still have contracted the basic installation, but would have been far more alert to the costs. Paying full tilt retail for every nut, bolt and screw can get old fast, especially when you are paying the installer to chase them. With Fiver's help, we probably could have done the installation completely without outside labor. Even without that, I could have traded my time at $0 for the installer's in many cases. A day at $50 per hour is $400. Half a day to pull the tank, half a day to install the new one; two or three days to dismantle and pull the old engine; more or less uncontrolled billing of the installer's time; it adds up pretty fast. I probably could have recruited casual labor, ie. yacht club members or moonlighting technicians, to help me get through the actual installation at far less than the installer's pricing, but I would have had to trade the savings for both added risk and added time off the water. At the point in my life where I was in 2000, that trade-off probably wouldn't have worked as well as it would today, If you're contemplating an adventure like this, I'd surely talk to Joe DeMers, and others on the list. A little strategery"" can help you both minimize your cost and avoid climbing that damned learning curve from the bottom rung. Keep Smiling, Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:31 AM, rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: > Fred > > What did you install? > > How much did it cost? > > How could you have saved money? > >

The Universal 25 XPB is actually a Kubota D1005 engine. There are 2 versions of this engine. Universal uses the cheaper 26hp @ 3000 rpm engine. Beta Marine uses the 28hp @ 3600 rpm engine. The HBW 50 / ZF 5M transmission with 2:1 reduction ratio is rated for 27hp @ 3000 rpm. Obviously, there is minimal reserve strength in this unit when driven by a 26hp engine. Beta Marine did have ZF transmissions as standard for several years. However, after poor results with these units, Beta Marine switched to Technodrive / Twin Disc as standard. These transmissions are simple, robust, and trouble free. Some will directly replace ZF units. Fred Haas said the following - "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? The engine will, when correctly installed and operated, provide greatly increased boat performance and extended life if allowed to operate in the recommended rpm range. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Haas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Read, I installed a Universal 25 XPB, which came with a Hurth 50 transmission. The engine , which is a 25 hp marinized Kubota 3 cylinder, has been fabulous. I believe this is one of the engines that Beta uses. The Hurth, which is rated well below the output of the engine, has ben a POS. We replaced it at 100 hours, and it is showing signs of slippage at 800. I have converted it to full synthetic fluid, which is changed at least every 100 hours. I chose the more powerful, for a 3-30, engine because I had an incident where I couldn't get around a buoy in 30 knots of wind and some current with my 25 hp gas engine. Not wanting to be caught in a similar situation again, the extra $500 or so for some redundant horsepower seemed reasonable. I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm. I would probably have the same engine again, only the Beta version, which is more easily serviced, and has to have a better tranny. In 2000 dollars, I spent about $6000 on the engine, and a little more than that on the installation. I paid the engine supplier to do the complete removal and installation, doing only the bilge clean up myself. Through naivete, I did not get a firm quote on the install, and got hammered on the price. The job did include new through hulls, including exhaust, fuel tank, and muffler, but it was still overly expensive. I could have saved money by doing my own dismantling and removal of the old engine. There is no magic involved in that, just labor hours, which at that time may have been 50 or 60 bucks apiece. Similarly, I could have done the fuel tank job myself. Had I spec'd the tank, I would have had it made with both a gauge and a couple of clean-out ports. The cost would have been minimal at the time. I believe I would still have contracted the basic installation, but would have been far more alert to the costs. Paying full tilt retail for every nut, bolt and screw can get old fast, especially when you are paying the installer to chase them. With Fiver's help, we probably could have done the installation completely without outside labor. Even without that, I could have traded my time at $0 for the installer's in many cases. A day at $50 per hour is $400. Half a day to pull the tank, half a day to install the new one; two or three days to dismantle and pull the old engine; more or less uncontrolled billing of the installer's time; it adds up pretty fast. I probably could have recruited casual labor, ie. yacht club members or moonlighting technicians, to help me get through the actual installation at far less than the installer's pricing, but I would have had to trade the savings for both added risk and added time off the water. At the point in my life where I was in 2000, that trade-off probably wouldn't have worked as well as it would today, If you're contemplating an adventure like this, I'd surely talk to Joe DeMers, and others on the list. A little strategery"" can help you both minimize your cost and avoid climbing that damned learning curve from the bottom rung. Keep Smiling, Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:31 AM, rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: Fred What did you install? How much did it cost? How could you have saved money? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. 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Fred- Thank you for the detailed reply. This is just what I was looking for. Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Fred Haas <ol… [at] seanet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 12:22:40 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Read, I installed a Universal 25 XPB, which came with a Hurth 50 transmission. The engine , which is a 25 hp marinized Kubota 3 cylinder, has been fabulous. I believe this is one of the engines that Beta uses. The Hurth, which is rated well below the output of the engine, has ben a POS. We replaced it at 100 hours, and it is showing signs of slippage at 800. I have converted it to full synthetic fluid, which is changed at least every 100 hours. I chose the more powerful, for a 3-30, engine because I had an incident where I couldn't get around a buoy in 30 knots of wind and some current with my 25 hp gas engine. Not wanting to be caught in a similar situation again, the extra $500 or so for some redundant horsepower seemed reasonable. I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm. I would probably have the same engine again, only the Beta version, which is more easily serviced, and has to have a better tranny. In 2000 dollars, I spent about $6000 on the engine, and a little more than that on the installation. I paid the engine supplier to do the complete removal and installation, doing only the bilge clean up myself. Through naivete, I did not get a firm quote on the install, and got hammered on the price. The job did include new through hulls, including exhaust, fuel tank, and muffler, but it was still overly expensive. I could have saved money by doing my own dismantling and removal of the old engine. There is no magic involved in that, just labor hours, which at that time may have been 50 or 60 bucks apiece. Similarly, I could have done the fuel tank job myself. Had I spec'd the tank, I would have had it made with both a gauge and a couple of clean-out ports. The cost would have been minimal at the time. I believe I would still have contracted the basic installation, but would have been far more alert to the costs. Paying full tilt retail for every nut, bolt and screw can get old fast, especially when you are paying the installer to chase them. With Fiver's help, we probably could have done the installation completely without outside labor. Even without that, I could have traded my time at $0 for the installer's in many cases. A day at $50 per hour is $400. Half a day to pull the tank, half a day to install the new one; two or three days to dismantle and pull the old engine; more or less uncontrolled billing of the installer's time; it adds up pretty fast. I probably could have recruited casual labor, ie. yacht club members or moonlighting technicians, to help me get through the actual installation at far less than the installer's pricing, but I would have had to trade the savings for both added risk and added time off the water. At the point in my life where I was in 2000, that trade-off probably wouldn't have worked as well as it would today, If you're contemplating an adventure like this, I'd surely talk to Joe DeMers, and others on the list. A little strategery"" can help you both minimize your cost and avoid climbing that damned learning curve from the bottom rung. Keep Smiling, Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:31 AM, rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: > Fred > > What did you install? > > How much did it cost? > > How could you have saved money? > >

My Cal 29 was repowered with a Beta Marine BD722 (20HP) after having an Atomic 4 in 2004. It works great and is very smooth and quiet. I think that it is over kill and should have been the BZ482 (14HP). It is lighter and I am sure would have had plenty of power for this boat. I also have the Hurth 50 transmission and am having to replace it with another one a friend had sitting around. From what I have read people aren't very happy with these. I can't say because I have only had the boat for a little over a year if the transmission was old or just crappy. I hope to not have to keep working on the transmission as it isn't the easiest thing to get to. Anybody know how to get the bell housing off?? Scott 74 Cal 29 _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:06 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices The Universal 25 XPB is actually a Kubota D1005 engine. There are 2 versions of this engine. Universal uses the cheaper 26hp @ 3000 rpm engine. Beta Marine uses the 28hp @ 3600 rpm engine. The HBW 50 / ZF 5M transmission with 2:1 reduction ratio is rated for 27hp @ 3000 rpm. Obviously, there is minimal reserve strength in this unit when driven by a 26hp engine. Beta Marine did have ZF transmissions as standard for several years. However, after poor results with these units, Beta Marine switched to Technodrive / Twin Disc as standard. These transmissions are simple, robust, and trouble free. Some will directly replace ZF units. Fred Haas said the following - "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? The engine will, when correctly installed and operated, provide greatly increased boat performance and extended life if allowed to operate in the recommended rpm range. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedies <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> el.com From: Fred Haas <mailto:ol… [at] seanet.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Read, I installed a Universal 25 XPB, which came with a Hurth 50 transmission. The engine , which is a 25 hp marinized Kubota 3 cylinder, has been fabulous. I believe this is one of the engines that Beta uses. The Hurth, which is rated well below the output of the engine, has ben a POS. We replaced it at 100 hours, and it is showing signs of slippage at 800. I have converted it to full synthetic fluid, which is changed at least every 100 hours. I chose the more powerful, for a 3-30, engine because I had an incident where I couldn't get around a buoy in 30 knots of wind and some current with my 25 hp gas engine. Not wanting to be caught in a similar situation again, the extra $500 or so for some redundant horsepower seemed reasonable. I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm. I would probably have the same engine again, only the Beta version, which is more easily serviced, and has to have a better tranny. In 2000 dollars, I spent about $6000 on the engine, and a little more than that on the installation. I paid the engine supplier to do the complete removal and installation, doing only the bilge clean up myself. Through naivete, I did not get a firm quote on the install, and got hammered on the price. The job did include new through hulls, including exhaust, fuel tank, and muffler, but it was still overly expensive. I could have saved money by doing my own dismantling and removal of the old engine. There is no magic involved in that, just labor hours, which at that time may have been 50 or 60 bucks apiece. Similarly, I could have done the fuel tank job myself. Had I spec'd the tank, I would have had it made with both a gauge and a couple of clean-out ports. The cost would have been minimal at the time. I believe I would still have contracted the basic installation, but would have been far more alert to the costs. Paying full tilt retail for every nut, bolt and screw can get old fast, especially when you are paying the installer to chase them. With Fiver's help, we probably could have done the installation completely without outside labor. Even without that, I could have traded my time at $0 for the installer's in many cases. A day at $50 per hour is $400. Half a day to pull the tank, half a day to install the new one; two or three days to dismantle and pull the old engine; more or less uncontrolled billing of the installer's time; it adds up pretty fast. I probably could have recruited casual labor, ie. yacht club members or moonlighting technicians, to help me get through the actual installation at far less than the installer's pricing, but I would have had to trade the savings for both added risk and added time off the water. At the point in my life where I was in 2000, that trade-off probably wouldn't have worked as well as it would today, If you're contemplating an adventure like this, I'd surely talk to Joe DeMers, and others on the list. A little strategery"" can help you both minimize your cost and avoid climbing that damned learning curve from the bottom rung. Keep Smiling, Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:31 AM, rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: Fred What did you install? How much did it cost? How could you have saved money? _____ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 12:00 AM

You will first need to disconnect the trans from the prop shaft and slide the shaft aft. Also disconnect the shift cable at the trans. Now remove the fasteners holding the aft flexible engine mounts to the engine bed. Place a piece of plywood under, and in contact with, the oil pan, and lift the engine slightly using a scissors jack. The bellhousing has a series of capscrews and bolts around it's circumference, including the 2 starter mounting screws. The transmission / bellhousing assembly can now be slid aft and removed from the boat. Inspect the transmission spline for wear. Use grease on the spline when reassembling. You might want to consider upgrading the Hurth with a Technodrive transmission. Unlike the Hurth, which uses a stack of clutches, the Tehnodrive uses a cone clutch, which is much simpler and more robust, and therefore more reliable. It's an easy replacement. Contact me off list for details and pricing. Je… [at] mindspring.com Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cyphers To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices My Cal 29 was repowered with a Beta Marine BD722 (20HP) after having an Atomic 4 in 2004. It works great and is very smooth and quiet. I think that it is over kill and should have been the BZ482 (14HP). It is lighter and I am sure would have had plenty of power for this boat. I also have the Hurth 50 transmission and am having to replace it with another one a friend had sitting around. From what I have read people aren't very happy with these. I can't say because I have only had the boat for a little over a year if the transmission was old or just crappy. I hope to not have to keep working on the transmission as it isn't the easiest thing to get to. Anybody know how to get the bell housing off?? Scott 74 Cal 29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:06 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices The Universal 25 XPB is actually a Kubota D1005 engine. There are 2 versions of this engine. Universal uses the cheaper 26hp @ 3000 rpm engine. Beta Marine uses the 28hp @ 3600 rpm engine. The HBW 50 / ZF 5M transmission with 2:1 reduction ratio is rated for 27hp @ 3000 rpm. Obviously, there is minimal reserve strength in this unit when driven by a 26hp engine. Beta Marine did have ZF transmissions as standard for several years. However, after poor results with these units, Beta Marine switched to Technodrive / Twin Disc as standard. These transmissions are simple, robust, and trouble free. Some will directly replace ZF units. Fred Haas said the following - "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? The engine will, when correctly installed and operated, provide greatly increased boat performance and extended life if allowed to operate in the recommended rpm range. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Haas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Read, I installed a Universal 25 XPB, which came with a Hurth 50 transmission. The engine , which is a 25 hp marinized Kubota 3 cylinder, has been fabulous. I believe this is one of the engines that Beta uses. The Hurth, which is rated well below the output of the engine, has ben a POS. We replaced it at 100 hours, and it is showing signs of slippage at 800. I have converted it to full synthetic fluid, which is changed at least every 100 hours. I chose the more powerful, for a 3-30, engine because I had an incident where I couldn't get around a buoy in 30 knots of wind and some current with my 25 hp gas engine. Not wanting to be caught in a similar situation again, the extra $500 or so for some redundant horsepower seemed reasonable. I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm. I would probably have the same engine again, only the Beta version, which is more easily serviced, and has to have a better tranny. In 2000 dollars, I spent about $6000 on the engine, and a little more than that on the installation. I paid the engine supplier to do the complete removal and installation, doing only the bilge clean up myself. Through naivete, I did not get a firm quote on the install, and got hammered on the price. The job did include new through hulls, including exhaust, fuel tank, and muffler, but it was still overly expensive. I could have saved money by doing my own dismantling and removal of the old engine. There is no magic involved in that, just labor hours, which at that time may have been 50 or 60 bucks apiece. Similarly, I could have done the fuel tank job myself. Had I spec'd the tank, I would have had it made with both a gauge and a couple of clean-out ports. The cost would have been minimal at the time. I believe I would still have contracted the basic installation, but would have been far more alert to the costs. Paying full tilt retail for every nut, bolt and screw can get old fast, especially when you are paying the installer to chase them. With Fiver's help, we probably could have done the installation completely without outside labor. Even without that, I could have traded my time at $0 for the installer's in many cases. A day at $50 per hour is $400. Half a day to pull the tank, half a day to install the new one; two or three days to dismantle and pull the old engine; more or less uncontrolled billing of the installer's time; it adds up pretty fast. I probably could have recruited casual labor, ie. yacht club members or moonlighting technicians, to help me get through the actual installation at far less than the installer's pricing, but I would have had to trade the savings for both added risk and added time off the water. At the point in my life where I was in 2000, that trade-off probably wouldn't have worked as well as it would today, If you're contemplating an adventure like this, I'd surely talk to Joe DeMers, and others on the list. A little strategery"" can help you both minimize your cost and avoid climbing that damned learning curve from the bottom rung. Keep Smiling, Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:31 AM, rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: Fred What did you install? How much did it cost? How could you have saved money? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 12:00 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 12:00 AM

see more of the boat.........in pictures or in person? We could certainly work on some boat time swaps! Anacortes and the islands appeal to us. approx $550 post a photo album? would be happy to but don't know how to! how do you get paid for writing an article? Barbara didn't.......at least I don't THINK she did! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ml… [at] yahoo.comDate: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:19:08 -0800Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL articles Reggie & Barbara, I enjoyed the article and the photo of your boat. I sure would like to see more of the boat. Your Cal 36 is in Forida, mine is in Anacortes, Hmmn? Anacortes is only nine and half hours from western Montana, Hmmn? I wonder what the cheapest flight to Pensacola costs, Hmmn?? It looks like Good Old Boat magazine is going to do a feature story on my Cal 25. Don't know when yet, but the photos left last week. You guys should post a photo album of your boat on our Cal group. Then mine won't be the only Cal Crusiing 36 on the site. Hey members! I'm new to the site and would like to see more of you posting your boat photos.I posted both my boats Sognare and Sinfonietta several weeks ago. I'm thinking about submitting more Cal boat articles to magazines does anyone know of some unique Cals I maybe able to write about? Magazines don't pay great but the $ helps contribute to upkeep or slip fees. Chris Roberts From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com>To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comCc: Ace <as… [at] rmlh.com>; NFYC Ray and Anita Verlage <rv… [at] gmail.com>; NFYC Bev Thornton <be… [at] gov.ab.ca>; NFYC Dick Graf <ea… [at] aboutmontana.net>; NFYC Doug Thornton <do… [at] thorntonfinancialstrategies.com>; li… [at] yahoo.com; NFYC Susan Lewis <su… [at] centurytel.net>; Matt Thompson <st… [at] hotmail.com>; mi… [at] celticnaut.org; sa… [at] hotmail.com; so… [at] sailforfreedom.com; re… [at] insurance-solutions.bizSent: Friday, February 6, 2009 7:29:16 PMSubject: [Cal_Boats] CAL articlesMy bride is a published author! http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf page 54 Reggie

Lord Nougat wrote: > Lol! I love the part about having all that emergency equipment that > has never had to be used yet! Also the term "deck potato" is greatly > amusing, and likely to be taken as less of an offense as "rail meat" > seems to be, for some reason. Funny, it seems the sailing newbs always > worry about "the boat tipping over"; explaining about the keel and all > that has assuaged many an unfounded fear aboard our wee boat. One advantage of having an old boat is that you can say "this boat has been sailing for x years and it has never tipped over," and then explain a bit of the physics of it. Problem is, most people live in a world that is horizontal and vertical, and both of those remain the same at all times. When horizontal is moving toward vertical, they get nervous. > > Thx for this great document! After editing it to taste, I'm printing > some out for sure. I edited it and printed it too. The important thing is that it makes the skipper look organized and aware of what the new folks might be concerned about, so they'll be inclined to ask more questions instead of fretting secretly. Chris Campbell > >

r good wrote: > > > My bride is a published author! > > http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf > <http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf> > Can you send a link to something shorter? I can't download it--the computer just keeps working but no luck. Chris Campbell > > > >

Sabine Faulhaber wrote: > I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. My only caution is to consider what you'll use power for. Transom-mounted outboards are more likely to lift out of the water from boat motion in seas, so if you anticipate using power in big seas, this is not such a good idea. And putting a heavy 4-stroke outboard way back there also gets more weight in the ends, where you don't want it, and may affect boat motion. There are some Atomic 4 specialists out there, people who can provide parts and replacements. One advertises regularly in _Good Old Boat_ magazine, Don Moyer, I think. If you get your old engine running, then you'll keep your prop in the water and the weight where it was intended to be. Chris Campbell

Fred Haas wrote: > My experience, as with most on this list, is that if I had to spend > boatyard dollars, I couldn't afford to be in the hobby. By that I > don't mean that I never spend them, but that I try to keep them to a > minimum by either doing my own work, or trading out either my labor or > boat time in lieu of having the yard do anything that I could do. Good advice. It's how a lot of us can afford to sail our boats. > BTW, the spreaders will get four or five coats of varnish, and then > have their tops coated with white Brightsides paint. The white really > slows down the UV, and the clear varnish on the bottoms helps keep > Nemesis the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. I did this too, after reading about it on this list. I refinished the spreaders and added white enamel on top after a couple coats of varnish. The white reflects and keeps 'em cool. You don't see it from deck. Chris Campbell >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > r good wrote: My bride is a published author! http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf Can you send a link to something shorter? I can't download it--the computer just keeps working but no luck. > Chris Campbell Unfortunately Chris the pdf file link is the entire magazine. So you will need a fast computer and a fast connection. page 53 is where the article starts. She writes well, it's worth the read (Good job Barbara). If they have the original draft somewhere, maybe they could email you the file, or you will have to visit your local library and try their connection. Take a cd and burn it so you can take it with you to read at your leisure. The entire magazine is worth the read by the way. Bud

(See attached file: Cal.pdf) Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 02/09/2009 09:08:07 AM: > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > > > r good wrote: > My bride is a published author! > > > http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/pdfs/southwindsfebruary2009.pdf > > Can you send a link to something shorter? I can't download it--the > computer just keeps working but no luck. > > > Chris Campbell - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************

dan, i removed the old atomic 4 by myself.. i unbolted and chained the engine. lifted it out with the topping lift.. i would winch it up a bit and then go down and check on it.. had to get it up and then help it over the lip of the engine compartment before i could swing it through the companionway.. sorta scary thinking if something failed and the whole thing could fall through the bottom of your boat.. but i had no problems at all.. got it out and into the cockpit and landed it on two 2"x4" laying across the cockpit. sold the thing on ebay in a few days.. pick-up only.. i didnt remove any existing walls of the engine compartment.. i did replace everything though.. fuel tank, filters all lines.. once the mechanic showed up, he got the new engine in in two days. he had to come up once in advance to measure the stringer heights and make new spacers for the stringers.. i couldnt be happier... cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. On Feb 8, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Dan wrote: > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Eric Jackson <ericjacksonphoto@...> > wrote: > i repowered with a beta marine diesel... and it has been the best > upgrade to the boat i have made.. > i had a marine mechanic do the work so i didnt have to deal with all > <SNIP> > Eric: I've been planning on a Beta Marine re-power too. Commercial > real > estate is swirling down the bowl with the rest of the economy right > now, so I'll need to wait a bit longer. > In the mean time, it appears that my 34 Mk lll will require major > surgery to complete the project. Did you have to remove the galley > cabinetry to remove/install the new engine? How long did the project > take your mechanic? > > Cheers, > Dan > > > > > >

st… [at] us.ul.com wrote: > > > /(See attached file: Cal.pdf)/ > > > Hey, nice article! Nice boat! Chris Campbell

Joe, Perhaps I misstated. I can get 3000 rpm out of the engine, but at that point I am indicating 7+ knots, and am stern down and throwing a wake to make a board surfer happy. At one point, in a fit of stupidity induced by the Customs Service I ran this way for 30+ minutes. Unfortunately that was the time my bilge pump through hull loosened up, and I had several hundred gallons of water to bail. That was after the guy at the Customs dock told me I needn't have pressed, that even though they said they closed at 5:00, they never left until 6:00. Our tax dollars at work! At 2000 rpm on flat water, I am indicating just over 6 knots, which seems about right for my 25' waterline. Puget Sound, on a hot summer day, might indicate 58 degrees water temp. I have never seen the temp gauge above 160, even after the aforementioned blast. I have not physically checked the gear ratio, but the 15 x 12 Michigan 2 blade was spec'd by the local guru and seems good to me. I have side towed an incapacitated Bagliner, and even then felt that I had strong acceleration when needed. While I'd like to avoid the thought, I will be contacting you offline for your input on replacement transmissions. Forewarned is forearmed. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > Fred Haas said the following - > "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of > the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." > > The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the > transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted > above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". > This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will > also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at > a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. > > The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and > wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated > horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. > > May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct > investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] > and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? >

As an owner of a Cal 3-30 with the Atomic 4, I would strongly suggest rebuilding the engine with help from Moyer Marine. My boat is 34 yrs young and going strong. regards Dale --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:45 AM Hello fellow Cal-listers, have not been very active on the list lately other than reading other peoples' postings due to many other commitments but wanted to get some input from more experienced folks... Recently I have been having some engine woes with the Atomic 4 on my Cal 3-30 - I will spare you the details and just remark that it is finally starting to show its age... So I had to start thinking of alternate propulsion strategies. Since a diesel re-power is currently not within budgetary reach I have been thinking about a transom mounted outboard for the interim. I am currently trying to make up my mind between a reasonably light-weight 6HP 4 stroke (<60 #s) that would live part of the time in the lazarette and come out when needed - and the other alternative being a used (2000 model) 15HP 4stroke (on the far side of 100 #s, with electric start). Anybody have any input on the 2 choices? Also looking for some thoughts on the mounting part - somewhat less than straightforward due to the rudder position on the Cal 3-30 (not your typical Cal spade rudder unfortunately. ...) Any knowledgeable input appreciated, Sabine Cal 3-30 "Estrella" formerly also Cal 1-25 "Night and Day" (just found a very appreciative first time boat-owner, who I will be passing her on to on March 1st)

Never been a lawyer, but the day I have to use Microsoft Word will be the day I sell my PC and buy a Mac!! Finally, a file that I received and was able to open directly and it looks the same as when you sent it!! WordPerfect is King! On to FAQ's -- I always discuss going forward with newbies. I require that they ask permission before going forward so that I can tell them which side of the boat to walk on and can delay them if I am about to tack thus keeping them from having to come aft and go back forward again in short order! I've saved the file and will add the going forward part and use it for future guests! Thanks, Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 5:00:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Emailing: Let's Go Sailing FAQ.wpd Lol! I love the part about having all that emergency equipment that has never had to be used yet! Also the term "deck potato" is greatly amusing, and likely to be taken as less of an offense as "rail meat" seems to be, for some reason. Funny, it seems the sailing newbs always worry about "the boat tipping over"; explaining about the keel and all that has assuaged many an unfounded fear aboard our wee boat. The temporary marriages are a hoot as well, but next thing you know they'll be wanting the skipper to perform bar mitzvahs, catochisms, baptisms, and divorces! Also, wow... word perfect - that's a blast from the past. You lawyers will never let wordperfect go! Thx for this great document! After editing it to taste, I'm printing some out for sure. Jean-Louis Fallon From: Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 2:19:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Emailing: Let's Go Sailing FAQ.wpd OK again, I found the Glen Wilson article, and it had the "Let's Go Sailing FAQ" attached, so it must have been his drafting. I have attached it as a WordPerfect document. Chris Campbell The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Let's Go Sailing FAQ.wpd

Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Haas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Joe, Perhaps I misstated. I can get 3000 rpm out of the engine, but at that point I am indicating 7+ knots, and am stern down and throwing a wake to make a board surfer happy. ***** That confirms my point, below. The problem is this - the boat is WAY overpowered. 16hp to 20 hp would be plenty of power for this boat. At one point, in a fit of stupidity induced by the Customs Service I ran this way for 30+ minutes. Unfortunately that was the time my bilge pump through hull loosened up, and I had several hundred gallons of water to bail. That was after the guy at the Customs dock told me I needn't have pressed, that even though they said they closed at 5:00, they never left until 6:00. Our tax dollars at work! At 2000 rpm on flat water, I am indicating just over 6 knots, which seems about right for my 25' waterline. **** Again, the engine is lugging, and will result in a shortened service life . Puget Sound, on a hot summer day, might indicate 58 degrees water temp. I have never seen the temp gauge above 160, even after the aforementioned blast. I have not physically checked the gear ratio, but the 15 x 12 Michigan 2 blade was spec'd by the local guru and seems good to me. ***** The prop needs to be changed to 10 pitch. This will make the engine operate closer to it's correct rpm range. I have side towed an incapacitated Bagliner, and even then felt that I had strong acceleration when needed. While I'd like to avoid the thought, I will be contacting you offline for your input on replacement transmissions. Forewarned is forearmed. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: Fred Haas said the following - "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 12:00 AM

Do I understand that, like central air conditioners for houses, diesel boat engines must be appropriately sized for the weight and size boat? Does every engine have an optimal running rpm? Thanks Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: "Joe DeMers" <je… [at] mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:25:36 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Prop recommendations [ was Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Haas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Joe, Perhaps I misstated. I can get 3000 rpm out of the engine, but at that point I am indicating 7+ knots, and am stern down and throwing a wake to make a board surfer happy. ***** That confirms my point, below. The problem is this - the boat is WAY overpowered. 16hp to 20 hp would be plenty of power for this boat. At one point, in a fit of stupidity induced by the Customs Service I ran this way for 30+ minutes. Unfortunately that was the time my bilge pump through hull loosened up, and I had several hundred gallons of water to bail. That was after the guy at the Customs dock told me I needn't have pressed, that even though they said they closed at 5:00, they never left until 6:00. Our tax dollars at work! At 2000 rpm on flat water, I am indicating just over 6 knots, which seems about right for my 25' waterline. **** Again, the engine is lugging, and will result in a shortened service life . Puget Sound, on a hot summer day, might indicate 58 degrees water temp. I have never seen the temp gauge above 160, even after the aforementioned blast. I have not physically checked the gear ratio, but the 15 x 12 Michigan 2 blade was spec'd by the local guru and seems good to me. ***** The prop needs to be changed to 10 pitch. This will make the engine operate closer to it's correct rpm range. I have side towed an incapacitated Bagliner, and even then felt that I had strong acceleration when needed. While I'd like to avoid the thought, I will be contacting you offline for your input on replacement transmissions. Forewarned is forearmed. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: Fred Haas said the following - "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 12:00 AM

Marine Diesel engines must be correctly sized for the anticipated duty cycle. This means the load must be matched to the engine. Too much load means the engine will be overtaxed and will not live long. Too little load and you have wasted $ on too much horsepower for the application. Also, the engine will be operating at less than it's designed load, which will shorten engine life. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: rs… [at] yahoo.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Prop recommendations [ was Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Do I understand that, like central air conditioners for houses, diesel boat engines must be appropriately sized for the weight and size boat? Does every engine have an optimal running rpm? Thanks Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Joe DeMers" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:25:36 -0500 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Prop recommendations [ was Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Haas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices Joe, Perhaps I misstated. I can get 3000 rpm out of the engine, but at that point I am indicating 7+ knots, and am stern down and throwing a wake to make a board surfer happy. ***** That confirms my point, below. The problem is this - the boat is WAY overpowered. 16hp to 20 hp would be plenty of power for this boat. At one point, in a fit of stupidity induced by the Customs Service I ran this way for 30+ minutes. Unfortunately that was the time my bilge pump through hull loosened up, and I had several hundred gallons of water to bail. That was after the guy at the Customs dock told me I needn't have pressed, that even though they said they closed at 5:00, they never left until 6:00. Our tax dollars at work! At 2000 rpm on flat water, I am indicating just over 6 knots, which seems about right for my 25' waterline. **** Again, the engine is lugging, and will result in a shortened service life . Puget Sound, on a hot summer day, might indicate 58 degrees water temp. I have never seen the temp gauge above 160, evenafter the aforementioned blast. I have not physically checked the gear ratio, but the 15 x 12 Michigan 2 blade was spec'd by the local guru and seems good to me. ***** The prop needs to be changed to 10 pitch. This will make the engine operate closer to it's correct rpm range. I have side towed an incapacitated Bagliner, and even then felt that I had strong acceleration when needed. While I'd like to avoid the thought, I will be contacting you offline for your input on replacement transmissions. Forewarned is forearmed. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: Fred Haas said the following - "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at around 2000 rpm." Th engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed to cool the engine. The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: 1/30/200 12:00 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1930 - Release Date: 2/2/2009 7:51 AM

The 2GM20 Yanmar hits Rack Point at 3,600 RPM but is recommended to cruise at 2,800 to 3,000 RPM. (close to hull speed for me) Yanmar claims that this is optimal for engine life. I run a Martec 14Dx12P prop on a CAL 9.2, 7,000 lbs displacement. When I crank the engine over 2,900 RPM, I really dont get much of an increase in hull speed, but I do get an increase in fuel consumption. Load is required to gt the engine to the correct operation temp , thermostat as well, and the correct RPM determines the degree of complete burn/ combustion of the diesel fuel. rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: > Do I understand that, like central air conditioners for houses, diesel > boat engines must be appropriately sized for the weight and size boat? > > Does every engine have an optimal running rpm? > > Thanks > > > > Read S. Howarth > 305 Kenwood Drive > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > 856-857-4140 > rs… [at] yahoo.com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: "Joe DeMers" > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:25:36 -0500 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Prop recommendations [ was Beta Marine vrs > Universal engines [ was Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices > > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fred Haas <mailto:ol… [at] seanet.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta Marine vrs Universal engines [ was > Atomic 4 engine woes Cal 3-30, outboard choices > > Joe, > Perhaps I misstated. I can get 3000 rpm out of the engine, but at > that point I am indicating 7+ knots, and am stern down and > throwing a wake to make a board surfer happy. > > ***** That confirms my point, below. The problem is this - the > boat is WAY overpowered. 16hp to 20 hp would be plenty of power > for this boat. > > At one point, in a fit of stupidity induced by the Customs > Service I ran this way for 30+ minutes. Unfortunately that was the > time my bilge pump through hull loosened up, and I had several > hundred gallons of water to bail. That was after the guy at the > Customs dock told me I needn't have pressed, that even though they > said they closed at 5:00, they never left until 6:00. Our tax > dollars at work! > > At 2000 rpm on flat water, I am indicating just over 6 knots, > which seems about right for my 25' waterline. > > **** Again, the engine is lugging, and will result in a shortened > service life . > > Puget Sound, on a hot summer day, might indicate 58 degrees water > temp. I have never seen the temp gauge above 160, even after the > aforementioned blast. I have not physically checked the gear > ratio, but the 15 x 12 Michigan 2 blade was spec'd by the local > guru and seems good to me. > > ***** The prop needs to be changed to 10 pitch. This will make the > engine operate closer to it's correct rpm range. > > I have side towed an incapacitated Bagliner, and even then felt > that I had strong acceleration when needed. > While I'd like to avoid the thought, I will be contacting you > offline for your input on replacement transmissions. > > Forewarned is forearmed. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > Fred Haas said the following - > "I must say that I very much enjoy the quiet and smooth > operation of the 3 cylinder engine, which makes hull speed at > around 2000 rpm." > > The engine should be able to reach close to 3000 rpm when the > transmission is shifted into "ahead". Operating the engine as > noted above will lead to shortened engine life, as the engine > is "lugging". This is similar to driving your car around town > in 5th gear. It will also contribute to overheating, as the > raw water pump is operating at a much lower rpm than is needed > to cool the engine. > > The boat will also have a tendency to slow when encountering > wind and wave, as the engine is not being allowed to develop > it's rated horsepower. At 2000 rpm the engine is making 18hp. > > May I suggest the transmission ratio be checked by direct > investigation [ some ZF units were shipped with incorrect data > tags ] and the prop diameter and pitch be corrected? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16 - Release Date: > 1/30/2009 12:00 AM > >