14 Days on the Erie Canal was: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.)

I remember my grammar school class was taught to sing "14 days on the Erie Canal" but I can't remember how the tune goes. I can see that would take half a month, all by itself! Does that site give you a list of companies with mule teams to tow your boat? Probably one mule would suffice. Jerry PS BTW.. I wonder if kids are taught these songs anymore, like "I dream of Jenny with the Light Brown Hair" and "....Camptown races..five miles long...Some body bet on the Mare...uh oh I think I'm dating myself. I understand many school districts have eliminated Music Teachers all together, so save money and .....well..we can't talk about polluhticks here. We conclude with a chorus of "Blow the man down" and "what do you do with a drunkin' sailor?" --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote: From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> Subject: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 1:25 PM On Tuesday 10 February 2009 15:22:26 rshowarth@yahoo. com wrote: > No more free anchoring in the locks? That is what I heard through the grapevine. Now if you go to the New York & Erie Canal page they tell you that you may tie up below the docks overnight to pass through in the morning. Perhaps the canal is too full when the referenced party transitted so you had to stay at local moorings/marinas. To the best of my understanding you are not allowed to anchor at will anymore but the definitive source is here: (with a tel number) http://www.nyscanal s.gov/ http://www.nyscanal s.gov/contact/ index.html Wrt to your questions about the great loop, its part of it pending your route. As I know it the Great Lakes portion takes you into Lake Michigan at Chicago, then over to Mackinaw, then Manitoulin Island (undiscovered jewel of the great lakes especially the north channel) down into Lake Huron into Lake St.Clair to Lake Erie. Up the Welland Canal into Lake Ontario, past Kingston (Int'l Olympic Class sailboat training grounds) through the 1000 Islands (gorgeous waters) and out the St,Lawrence to Montreal, Quebec City. Past Quebec City the waters get brackish and the marine life changes: whales, belugas etc. This dumps you eventually into the Gulf of St. Lawrence where there is much to explore. The route then turns south through the Canadian Maritime Provinces and into US waters in Main This section of the route is usually described in reverse. Me thinks this is cause most folks do this via power boats. The prevailing winds however are from the west (W, NW, NNW) in the summer and the flow of the water is towards the Atlantic. So you really don't want to be going against both the currents and the wind for some 2000 miles. Some break it up into three sections unless your a full timer: The Great Lakes portion, the coastal portion and the Mississippi portions. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Great_loop http://www.greatloo p.com/topic. asp?pid=1 HTH's /ch

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 17:53:19 Gerald Sobel wrote: > I remember my grammar school class was taught to sing "14 days on the Erie > Canal" but I can't remember how the tune goes. I can see that would take > half a month, all by itself! Yup. For a delivery trip that we planned with friend from Main to Kingston ON Canada, we estimated that it would take approx 30 days with the winds in our favor and approx $2500-$2700 US in costs mostly in mooring/marina/canal fees. At that price its cheaper to ship a vessel from Main to Lake Ontario US side (ie: Sacketts Harbor for example) and sail her home, a short day sail, across the lake. Total time, two days. if the weather is good. About 1/100 of the fun. Will have to save those adventures for when I win the lottery, retire or change my line of work. Hay now that's an idea..:) -- /ch

Low bridge! Everybody down! Does that mean you have to unstep your mast to get through the Erie Canal, or have they fixed that since the inception of that song? From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:53:19 PM Subject: 14 Days on the Erie Canal was: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.) I remember my grammar school class was taught to sing "14 days on the Erie Canal" but I can't remember how the tune goes. I can see that would take half a month, all by itself! Does that site give you a list of companies with mule teams to tow your boat? Probably one mule would suffice. Jerry PS BTW.. I wonder if kids are taught these songs anymore, like "I dream of Jenny with the Light Brown Hair" and "....Camptown races..five miles long...Some body bet on the Mare...uh oh I think I'm dating myself. I understand many school districts have eliminated Music Teachers all together, so save money and .....well..we can't talk about polluhticks here. We conclude with a chorus of "Blow the man down" and "what do you do with a drunkin' sailor?" --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> wrote: From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> Subject: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 1:25 PM On Tuesday 10 February 2009 15:22:26 rshowarth@yahoo. com wrote: > No more free anchoring in the locks? That is what I heard through the grapevine. Now if you go to the New York & Erie Canal page they tell you that you may tie up below the docks overnight to pass through in the morning. Perhaps the canal is too full when the referenced party transitted so you had to stay at local moorings/marinas. To the best of my understanding you are not allowed to anchor at will anymore but the definitive source is here: (with a tel number) http://www.nyscanal s.gov/ http://www.nyscanal s.gov/contact/ index.html Wrt to your questions about the great loop, its part of it pending your route. As I know it the Great Lakes portion takes you into Lake Michigan at Chicago, then over to Mackinaw, then Manitoulin Island (undiscovered jewel of the great lakes especially the north channel) down into Lake Huron into Lake St.Clair to Lake Erie. Up the Welland Canal into Lake Ontario, past Kingston (Int'l Olympic Class sailboat training grounds) through the 1000 Islands (gorgeous waters) and out the St,Lawrence to Montreal, Quebec City. Past Quebec City the waters get brackish and the marine life changes: whales, belugas etc. This dumps you eventually into the Gulf of St. Lawrence where there is much to explore. The route then turns south through the Canadian Maritime Provinces and into US waters in Main This section of the route is usually described in reverse. Me thinks this is cause most folks do this via power boats. The prevailing winds however are from the west (W, NW, NNW) in the summer and the flow of the water is towards the Atlantic. So you really don't want to be going against both the currents and the wind for some 2000 miles. Some break it up into three sections unless your a full timer: The Great Lakes portion, the coastal portion and the Mississippi portions. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Great_loop http://www.greatloo p.com/topic. asp?pid=1 HTH's /ch

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 20:14:39 Lord Nougat wrote: > Low bridge! Everybody down! > Does that mean you have to unstep your mast to get through the Erie Canal, > or have they fixed that since the inception of that song? As far as I know the bridges are now all either lift, tilt or twist. However you need to meet a schedule. Here's an interactive map that lays out the entire system; http://www.nyscanals.gov/maps/index.html Enjoy. Mules are optional. -- /ch

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 20:20:10 Chris h wrote: Sorry, hit the send button too fast. Was looking at the canals on the CDN side. The NY State system requires you drop your mast for any reasonable sized vessel. http://www.nyscanals.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html -- /ch

Jerry: Back when rocks were still soft, some of us used to sing that song along with Pete Seager. I found a web site with the lyrics and a sound clip. Not nearly as good as Pete but it helped refresh the memory banks. http://www.songsforteaching.com/folk/eriecanal.htm Cheers, Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > I remember my grammar school class was taught to sing "14 days on the Erie Canal" but I can't remember how the tune goes. I can see that would take half a month, all by itself! Does that site give you a list of companies with mule teams to tow your boat? Probably one mule would suffice. > Jerry ><SNIP>

Mast comes down in Albany and back up in Oswego (or Buffalo if you go the entire length). No lift bridges, I thinks it's about a 20' clearance. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: 14 Days on the Erie Canal was: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.) On Tuesday 10 February 2009 20:14:39 Lord Nougat wrote: > Low bridge! Everybody down! > Does that mean you have to unstep your mast to get through the Erie Canal, > or have they fixed that since the inception of that song? As far as I know the bridges are now all either lift, tilt or twist. However you need to meet a schedule. Here's an interactive map that lays out the entire system; http://www.nyscanals.gov/maps/index.html Enjoy. Mules are optional. -- /ch

The state set a requirement that the road bed be 20 feet above the water, however the railroads realized that there was no requirement for structure above the water so they built their bridges upside down with the superstructure under the bridge. This keeps the clearance significantly less than 20 feet. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellison Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:25 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 14 Days on the Erie Canal was: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.)  Mast comes down in Albany and back up in Oswego (or Buffalo if you go the entire length). No lift bridges, I thinks it's about a 20' clearance. Bob From: Chris h <mailto:ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: 14 Days on the Erie Canal was: Re: Trip from Cape Cod? was:RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20(Chris H.) On Tuesday 10 February 2009 20:14:39 Lord Nougat wrote: > Low bridge! Everybody down! > Does that mean you have to unstep your mast to get through the Erie Canal, > or have they fixed that since the inception of that song? As far as I know the bridges are now all either lift, tilt or twist. However you need to meet a schedule. Here's an interactive map that lays out the entire system; http://www.nyscanal <http://www.nyscanals.gov/maps/index.html> s.gov/maps/index.html Enjoy. Mules are optional. -- /ch