2-34 with Beta

Dan I installed a 25hp Beta in my 2-34. It was a piece of cake. I installed a battle-ship hatch (heavy/thick SS) and a large doubler in the cockpit soul first. Engine now goes straight in and out though the hatch. I did the entire engine R&R in the water. Beta made up a direct replacement mount that fit perfect on my engine mount stringers. ($400 extra) My boat had a R-30 Fairyman. What a improvement! I think the new engine and trans is about 200 lbs lighter. No mods to the interior. If I were going to do a second one, I guess I could do it in about 5 days. It took me about 10 trips and about 20 days to complete. I live about 100 miles from the boat, that part wasn't fun. I did haul to install a new shaft and 3 blade Max prop. Most likely you will have to change prop. If you want I can take pictures when your ready. Chuck Second Fiddle 2-34 hull #252 Ventura Ca

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote: > Dan > I installed a 25hp Beta in my 2-34. It was a piece of cake. > <SNIP> Chuck Second Fiddle 2-34 hull #252 Ventura Ca Chuck: Bless you! You gave some comfort and hope to an old heart. I already have a hatch in the cockpit sole, installed by the P.O. I can imagine it being just big enough but will measure when I get back next weekend. I live 125 miles from her so my practical work hours are limited. If I don't have to cut teak it juts might be simlper than I feared. Thanks for the comments. You pix are always welcome. This is one fine group. Dan S/V Sound Discovery 34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa

I'm interested in seaworthy and "Reggie" worthy ports to instral in my cockpit sole. Any info and suggestions woudl be greatly appreciated. FYI: Reggie worthy means being able to support me plus what I may carry; say 400lbs minimum. (I carry a heavy load!) Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: sa… [at] yahoo.comDate: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:49:49 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2-34 with Beta --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote:> Dan> I installed a 25hp Beta in my 2-34. It was a piece of cake. > <SNIP>ChuckSecond Fiddle2-34 hull #252 Ventura CaChuck: Bless you! You gave some comfort and hope to an old heart. I already have a hatch in the cockpit sole, installed by the P.O. I can imagine it being just big enough but will measure when I get back next weekend. I live 125 miles from her so my practical work hours are limited. If I don't have to cut teak it juts might be simlper than I feared. Thanks for the comments. You pix are always welcome. This is one fine group.DanS/V Sound Discovery34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa

sorry. forgot to change subjects. mea maxima culpa Reginald To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: my… [at] hotmail.comDate: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:31:12 -0700Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2-34 with Beta I'm interested in seaworthy and "Reggie" worthy ports to instral in my cockpit sole. Any info and suggestions woudl be greatly appreciated. FYI: Reggie worthy means being able to support me plus what I may carry; say 400lbs minimum. (I carry a heavy load!)Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: sa… [at] yahoo.comDate: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:49:49 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2-34 with Beta --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote:> Dan> I installed a 25hp Beta in my 2-34. It was a piece of cake. > <SNIP>ChuckSecond Fiddle2-34 hull #252 Ventura CaChuck: Bless you! You gave some comfort and hope to an old heart. I already have a hatch in the cockpit sole, installed by the P.O. I can imagine it being just big enough but will measure when I get back next weekend. I live 125 miles from her so my practical work hours are limited. If I don't have to cut teak it juts might be simlper than I feared. Thanks for the comments. You pix are always welcome. This is one fine group.DanS/V Sound Discovery34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa

Dan, You can do this job. I repowered my Cal 2-34 several years ago mostly by myself. I had a little help lifting the engine out of the pickup truck and on to a dolly. I put a Yanmar 3GM30FV in to replace the tired old Westerbeke. Just follow the rule "measure twice, cut once" and you'll be fine. By the way, I know what you mean about being a ways from the boat. At the time my boat was in Port Hadlock, WA and I was living about 30 miles from the CA border. That's a 1000 miles round trip to work on the boat! Tom --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Dan <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Dan <sa… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2-34 with Beta > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 7:49 AM > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox > <lennoxchuck@...> > wrote: > > > Dan > > I installed a 25hp Beta in my 2-34. It was a piece of > cake. > > > <SNIP> > Chuck > Second Fiddle > 2-34 hull #252 Ventura Ca > > Chuck: > Bless you! You gave some comfort and hope to an old heart. > I already > have a hatch in the cockpit sole, installed by the P.O. I > can imagine > it being just big enough but will measure when I get back > next > weekend. I live 125 miles from her so my practical work > hours are > limited. If I don't have to cut teak it juts might be > simlper than I > feared. Thanks for the comments. You pix are always > welcome. > This is one fine group. > Dan > S/V Sound Discovery > 34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Reggie I got mine hatch though Hamilton Marine online. http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/4,224.html The link shows a hatch 24X24. I think mine is 30X24. Super strong and nice finish. I fabbed up and added a 1/4 inch doubler (frame) under the soul. I wanted the soul to be as strong as before. If I were to buy another Cal boat the first thing I would do is add a hatch to gain acess to engine and fuel tank. I can now work on the engine with both hands at the same time. Best mod I have done to date. Chuck --- On Mon, 2/9/09, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2-34 with Beta To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 8:31 AM I'm interested in seaworthy and "Reggie" worthy ports to instral in my cockpit sole. Any info and suggestions woudl be greatly appreciated. FYI: Reggie worthy means being able to support me plus what I may carry; say 400lbs minimum. (I carry a heavy load!) Reggie To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: saltybob2@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:49:49 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2-34 with Beta --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@ ...> wrote: > Dan > I installed a 25hp Beta in my 2-34. It was a piece of cake. > <SNIP> Chuck Second Fiddle 2-34 hull #252 Ventura Ca Chuck: Bless you! You gave some comfort and hope to an old heart. I already have a hatch in the cockpit sole, installed by the P.O. I can imagine it being just big enough but will measure when I get back next weekend. I live 125 miles from her so my practical work hours are limited. If I don't have to cut teak it juts might be simlper than I feared. Thanks for the comments. You pix are always welcome. This is one fine group. Dan S/V Sound Discovery 34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa

With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

Mike, I get attached to cars and mechanical things. I have owned my Cal 33 for 22 years and the Yanmar 3GM that powers it is the only inboard marine engine I have ever owned. That being said, it is by far the most faithful engine I have ever owned when you include cars, lawn mowers, motorcycles, outboard motors, etc. I have started this engine when it was 10 degrees outside and it has never failed to start and run well no matter what the conditions. It powered me through 36 foot seas without fail even though we went through violent changes of angle at the peaks of waves (before I was brave enough to pull a two foot section of jib out and keep our angle of heel to leeward all the time!) The longest it has run continuously has been 14 hours and it is smooth and quiet when underway. I suppose that the kind of faith that I have in this engine could be called love, but I prefer to think of it as respect! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 7:03:07 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer. I think the Beta/Kubotas with the TD gear are the best for smaller boats. I love my Perkins 4-236 in our Cal 46. I installed it when new, 1987, have almost 4,000 hours on it with basic maintenance. If I were to replace "Ma Perkins" it would be with a Cummins, which is Made in America. I refuse to work on the newer Yanmars, the older ones are okay. Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending litigation. I just sold a 24HP Pisces, which is an Isuzu marinized by a Dutch firm. I think Pisces has closed, so manifold, heat exchanger and expansion tank replacement could be a problem. Parts for the Isuzu are easy to obtain. Tom, (Who has an opinion) Cal 46 & Cal 25 w/ 8HP Yamaha OB --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:03 PM With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

Donald Dutton wrote: > Mike, > > I get attached to cars and mechanical things. I do too. Part of it is just that dumb loyalty to devices that have protected us from disaster or disappointment. Part of it is appreciation for things that are well designed and well executed. The first outboard motor I ever ran was a 1938 Johnson 1 cyl., 2 hp device that my Dad bought used sometime around the time I was born. It still runs. You put gas in, push the little primer pump, wrap the starter rope, give a yank or two, and off it goes. It's not very efficient, of course, compared with modern ones, but we have made engineering progress in the last 70 years, haven't we? Chris Campbell

Tom Vandiver wrote: > > Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, > plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer. > These are classic examples of good products--things that were well designed and well built. Not flashy, not exotic, just plain dependable devices. I drive around in a 4 cylinder Ford Ranger, a nice basic device that carries me dependably and inexpensively. It doesn't impress anybody but me, which is just fine since I'm the one that has to pay for gas and if I'm looking to impress I'll drive the old Mustang or sail my Cal 20. > > > > Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending > litigation. > It also helps to be acquainted with lousy products, the ones that are poorly engineered or that suffer from decisions by accountants, so we can appreciate the good ones even more. Chris Campbell > > > >

i'd love to hear the detail on the hurth as one of the boats i've been looking at has a ZF25A which i think is a hurth. And thanks to everyone who pitched in on the lovable engines question. From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:33:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer. I think the Beta/Kubotas with the TD gear are the best for smaller boats. I love my Perkins 4-236 in our Cal 46. I installed it when new, 1987, have almost 4,000 hours on it with basic maintenance. If I were to replace "Ma Perkins" it would be with a Cummins, which is Made in America. I refuse to work on the newer Yanmars, the older ones are okay. Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending litigation. I just sold a 24HP Pisces, which is an Isuzu marinized by a Dutch firm. I think Pisces has closed, so manifold, heat exchanger and expansion tank replacement could be a problem. Parts for the Isuzu are easy to obtain. Tom, (Who has an opinion) Cal 46 & Cal 25 w/ 8HP Yamaha OB --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:03 PM With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

believe it or not, I love the VIRE 7 in my T/2! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: r_… [at] yahoo.comDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:06:42 -0800Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines i'd love to hear the detail on the hurth as one of the boats i've been looking at has a ZF25A which i think is a hurth. And thanks to everyone who pitched in on the lovable engines question. From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:33:22 AMSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer.I think the Beta/Kubotas with the TD gear are the best for smaller boats. I love my Perkins 4-236 in our Cal 46. I installed it when new, 1987, have almost 4,000 hours on it with basic maintenance. If I were to replace "Ma Perkins" it would be with a Cummins, which is Made in America.I refuse to work on the newer Yanmars, the older ones are okay.Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending litigation.I just sold a 24HP Pisces, which is an Isuzu marinized by a Dutch firm. I think Pisces has closed, so manifold, heat exchanger and expansion tank replacement could be a problem. Parts for the Isuzu are easy to obtain.Tom, (Who has an opinion) Cal 46 & Cal 25 w/ 8HP Yamaha OB--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com>Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable enginesTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comDate: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:03 PM With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

For small outboards (CAL 25 style), the Nissan 8 2-stroke was the best I ever had. Modern 4-stroke small outboards are POS (as a famous man on this list once acronymed). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:27 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines believe it or not, I love the VIRE 7 in my T/2! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: r_… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:06:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines i'd love to hear the detail on the hurth as one of the boats i've been looking at has a ZF25A which i think is a hurth. And thanks to everyone who pitched in on the lovable engines question. From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:33:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer. I think the Beta/Kubotas with the TD gear are the best for smaller boats. I love my Perkins 4-236 in our Cal 46. I installed it when new, 1987, have almost 4,000 hours on it with basic maintenance. If I were to replace "Ma Perkins" it would be with a Cummins, which is Made in America. I refuse to work on the newer Yanmars, the older ones are okay. Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending litigation. I just sold a 24HP Pisces, which is an Isuzu marinized by a Dutch firm. I think Pisces has closed, so manifold, heat exchanger and expansion tank replacement could be a problem. Parts for the Isuzu are easy to obtain. Tom, (Who has an opinion) Cal 46 & Cal 25 w/ 8HP Yamaha OB --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:03 PM With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

I'm running a Yamaha T9.9 High Thrust 4 stroke on my 1968 Cal 25. It is a quality engine. I used to run a Nissan 8 for years but it was so noisy... it really weared on the patience after a few hours. This 4 stroke yamaha is so quite it just purrs. One issue is that if handled poorly, it can over power the boat. Rebuilding my motor mount consisted of 'wrapping' it in stainless steel ( I need to make it about 2" higher to keep the motor out of oncoming swells). I throttle up gently, and in rough seas I back off of full throttle. And it's essential to not use the motor in the locked down position.... incase you throw it in reverse with too much forward boat speed... I think it just might take the whole transom off! It's also a bit heavy to remove and store inside the boat... so I've resorted to leaving it out. But otherwise it's a really quiet motor that pushes the boat really fast... about 7 knots. Starts every time... which I need for crossing shipping lanes. Wouldn't trade it for anything! From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:27:05 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines For small outboards (CAL 25 style), the Nissan 8 2-stroke was the best I ever had. Modern 4-stroke small outboards are POS (as a famous man on this list once acronymed). Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:27 AM To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines believe it or not, I love the VIRE 7 in my T/2! Reggie To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:06:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines i'd love to hear the detail on the hurth as one of the boats i've been looking at has a ZF25A which i think is a hurth. And thanks to everyone who pitched in on the lovable engines question. From: Tom Vandiver <bshmarine@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:33:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer. I think the Beta/Kubotas with the TD gear are the best for smaller boats. I love my Perkins 4-236 in our Cal 46. I installed it when new, 1987, have almost 4,000 hours on it with basic maintenance. If I were to replace "Ma Perkins" it would be with a Cummins, which is Made in America. I refuse to work on the newer Yanmars, the older ones are okay. Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending litigation. I just sold a 24HP Pisces, which is an Isuzu marinized by a Dutch firm. I think Pisces has closed, so manifold, heat exchanger and expansion tank replacement could be a problem. Parts for the Isuzu are easy to obtain. Tom, (Who has an opinion) Cal 46 & Cal 25 w/ 8HP Yamaha OB --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:03 PM With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

I agree on the 2 cylinder 4 strokes. I have a lady friend with a CAL 25 with the engine you mentioned, and it is all the things you describe - quiet, reliable, powerful. However, it is not removable without a gantry. I once removed this engine from the boat by myself to take in for maintenance. Almost had to check in to the hospital. Had to build a special plank for her to board the boat (boat is stern in at a floating dock) since there are no finger piers at the dock, and the one cannot climb aboard the boat when the engine is raised. On the racing CAL 25s, we take the engines off and put them below to race (and also put them below at the dock to extend their lifetime and provide easier dock access). Therefore a lighter engine is needed. Old two cylinder two strokes worked great. The one cylinder 4 strokes are 50 lbs (or so) lighter than 2 cylinder 4 strokes but they are noisy and they rattle like crazy. Mine even throws itself into gear sometimes because it vibrates the shift into forward. Anything sitting on the cockpit seats will rattle. I took it back to the place I bought it, and the response was "They are like that". I have CAL 25 friends with similar experiences. This is the POS I was referring to. All that said, the fuel economy is amazingly good. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Whirled Peas Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines I'm running a Yamaha T9.9 High Thrust 4 stroke on my 1968 Cal 25. It is a quality engine. I used to run a Nissan 8 for years but it was so noisy... it really weared on the patience after a few hours. This 4 stroke yamaha is so quite it just purrs. One issue is that if handled poorly, it can over power the boat. Rebuilding my motor mount consisted of 'wrapping' it in stainless steel ( I need to make it about 2" higher to keep the motor out of oncoming swells). I throttle up gently, and in rough seas I back off of full throttle. And it's essential to not use the motor in the locked down position... incase you throw it in reverse with too much forward boat speed... I think it just might take the whole transom off! It's also a bit heavy to remove and store inside the boat... so I've resorted to leaving it out. But otherwise it's a really quiet motor that pushes the boat really fast... about 7 knots. Starts every time... which I need for crossing shipping lanes. Wouldn't trade it for anything! From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:27:05 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines For small outboards (CAL 25 style), the Nissan 8 2-stroke was the best I ever had. Modern 4-stroke small outboards are POS (as a famous man on this list once acronymed). Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com <http://s.com/> ] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:27 AM To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines believe it or not, I love the VIRE 7 in my T/2! Reggie To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:06:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines i'd love to hear the detail on the hurth as one of the boats i've been looking at has a ZF25A which i think is a hurth. And thanks to everyone who pitched in on the lovable engines question. From: Tom Vandiver <bshmarine@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:33:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines Atomic Fours are lovable $$$$. I rebuild and sell several each year, plus have 11 stored ready to be rebuilt for some fortunate sailer. I think the Beta/Kubotas with the TD gear are the best for smaller boats. I love my Perkins 4-236 in our Cal 46. I installed it when new, 1987, have almost 4,000 hours on it with basic maintenance. If I were to replace "Ma Perkins" it would be with a Cummins, which is Made in America. I refuse to work on the newer Yanmars, the older ones are okay. Hurth/ZF gears are a POS. Details on request, not on this list pending litigation. I just sold a 24HP Pisces, which is an Isuzu marinized by a Dutch firm. I think Pisces has closed, so manifold, heat exchanger and expansion tank replacement could be a problem. Parts for the Isuzu are easy to obtain. Tom, (Who has an opinion) Cal 46 & Cal 25 w/ 8HP Yamaha OB --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] loveable engines To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:03 PM With the fascinating discussion of nursing the atomic 4 along for years and some expressed love for beta engines on the thread, i thought i would ask: what engines do sailboat owners love? and may I prompt the discussion by asking, has anyone heard of a Pisces and is that engine loveable?

Hey Dan, Where do you keep Discovery? Nemesis lives at TYC, and often competes in CYCT "Windseekers" events. It's a fun, low pressure series with all kinds of events. Give it a try sometime. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Feb 9, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Dan wrote: > This is one fine group. > Dan > S/V Sound Discovery > 34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa

Fred: Thanks for the invite! We keep our boat across the Bay and East of you at Delin Docks, slip A-15. We have crewed in Windseekers on the Hollbrooks' C&C 39 off and on the last few years. Next week I'll be crewing on Fred Krietz' Solveral. I'll watch for Nemisis and maybe see you before or after the race. (We will be leaving from Tyee #4) Cheers, Dan S/V Sound Discovery 34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Fred Haas <oldrower@...> wrote: > > Hey Dan, > Where do you keep Discovery? Nemesis lives at TYC, and often competes > in CYCT "Windseekers" events. It's a fun, low pressure series with all > kinds of events. Give it a try sometime. > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > On Feb 9, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Dan wrote: > > > This is one fine group. > > Dan > > S/V Sound Discovery > > 34 Mk-lll, Tacoma, Wa >