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Greets: Well after three years and I don't know how many months, I'm finally the proud owner of 20 feet of CAL for less then 400 bucks complete with sails. Thanks to all for the inspiration, listening to my bantering questions and what not else. It was Rodney G. J's post of 2009-01-07 that I revisited a few weeks back that led to this purchase. So its all his fault. While a distraction from selling the house, researching cruising vessels with the eventual purchase of a 30-35 coastal cruiser all coming down the pipe, its nice to have a simple boat, sail ready and just go and relax once the spring comes. Basically its a gift and one that I could not turn down. The other rationalization is of course sail training. Woohooo....me's drive'n a CAL. Well in the spring at least when I pick it up. Considered sailing it home from Cape Cod via New York, Hudson and Erie Canal system...that thought lasted all of ten minutes. Will use the trailer instead..:) -- /ch

how could anyone not buy a boat that cute! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comCC: cl… [at] charterinternet.com; rj… [at] juno.comFrom: ch… [at] magma.caDate: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:50:01 -0500Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Greets:Well after three years and I don't know how many months, I'm finally the proud owner of 20 feet of CAL for less then 400 bucks complete with sails.Thanks to all for the inspiration, listening to my bantering questions and what not else. It was Rodney G. J's post of 2009-01-07 that I revisited a few weeks back that led to this purchase. So its all his fault. While a distraction from selling the house, researching cruising vessels with the eventual purchase of a 30-35 coastal cruiser all coming down the pipe, its nice to have a simple boat, sail ready and just go and relax once the spring comes. Basically its a gift and one that I could not turn down. The other rationalization is of course sail training.Woohooo....me's drive'n a CAL. Well in the spring at least when I pick it up. Considered sailing it home from Cape Cod via New York, Hudson and Erie Canal system...that thought lasted all of ten minutes. Will use the trailer instead..:) -- /ch

Is it in as good shape as it looks? Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:50:01 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cc: Chris Campbell<cl… [at] charterinternet.com>; Rodney G Johnson<rj… [at] juno.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Greets: Well after three years and I don't know how many months, I'm finally the proud owner of 20 feet of CAL for less then 400 bucks complete with sails. Thanks to all for the inspiration, listening to my bantering questions and what not else. It was Rodney G. J's post of 2009-01-07 that I revisited a few weeks back that led to this purchase. So its all his fault. While a distraction from selling the house, researching cruising vessels with the eventual purchase of a 30-35 coastal cruiser all coming down the pipe, its nice to have a simple boat, sail ready and just go and relax once the spring comes. Basically its a gift and one that I could not turn down. The other rationalization is of course sail training. Woohooo....me's drive'n a CAL. Well in the spring at least when I pick it up. Considered sailing it home from Cape Cod via New York, Hudson and Erie Canal system...that thought lasted all of ten minutes. Will use the trailer instead..:) -- /ch

On Monday 09 February 2009 17:42:42 rs… [at] yahoo.com wrote: > Is it in as good shape as it looks? It was bought site unseen so will know in the spring when I pick it up. If you look at the time stamp on the file i thinks its been sitting since 12-Oct-06 outside. At that price price however I did not want it to go into a landfill where it was destined. I will probably get my friend to buy it (for the same price) from me and then teach him how to sail at our local sailing club. He's got a young'n as well who is old enough now to get his hands dirty on this boat. That way I get to use it, at will..:) All I know is that its intact with "reasonable" sails and CAL 20 parts are cheap. But that's the beauty of these vessels. I'm sure the standing rigging is toast. What its like below decks, if the deck is solid or not, all are unknowns but all are non issues as far as I'm concerned, as it doesn't take much to rebuild these little beauties as documented here: http://homepage.mac.com/bear33/PhotoAlbum14.html I really appreciated when people put their work on line. Rebuild a CS-22 based on a similar site from a shipwright in Nova Scotia. Once it was done and sold I called him up to thank him and we both had a good laugh on what a pain in the butt it was to refurbish the 800 lbs drop keel blade. Nice boat, silly design. The folks at the Maritime Academy were exceptionally nice people to deal with and maintain a listing of donated boats that are all subject to offer. http://www.maritime.edu/l2.cfm?page=132 You may consider this a recommendation..:) -- /ch

r good wrote: > > how could anyone not buy a boat that cute! > You've heard me say this before, but every time I row away from my mooring, /every time/, there's a grin of pleasure on my face when I look back at my little boat. As man-made objects go, sailboats generally represent the quality of perfection about as closely as anything else does. These are devices that combine form and function so well--except for maybe some of those space-ship Hunters--that they please the eye greatly. Somehow the Cal 20 pleases my eye even more than usual. Maybe it's because I know how nicely she sails, and that sister vessels have crossed the Atlantic and 2,100 miles of the Pacific. Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch

Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Chris h wrote: > > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue > (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with > svGluckspilz with > two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it > captures > my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom > kinda > like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it > means a > good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. > Somewhere I read that when you think of a name, it's important to consider how easy it will be to pronounce it and understand it over the VHF. I can hear it now... "Third Street bridge tender, Third Street bridge tender, this is the sailing vessel Gluckspiltz. Over." "Vessel hailing the Third Street bridge tender, this is the bridge tender, what is the name of your vessel? Over." At this point, the skipper is _thinking_ "you stupid @#$%&**!!!, it's Gluckspiltz," but of course he's too polite to say that, so he just says, "Third Street bridge tender, this is the sailing vessel Gluckspiltz, that's Gluckspiltz as in lucky mushroom. Over." And then the bridge tender is thinking, "lucky mushroom my ass, it's one of those funny mushrooms for sure," but he's too polite to say that, so he says "OK, sailing vessel Mushroom, the Third Street bridge opens in 10 minutes. Over." Also consider the increased cost of applying a name to the transom when it has 10 letters. Chris Campbell > > >

Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of > Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü > since the name is so long. > So when you're hailing the bridge tender, do you holler out "This is the sailing vessel umlaut-U?" Chris Campbell > > > >

Our vessel, "Quantum Evolution," contains 16 letters and is rarely understood by bridge tenders. We have never had a problem gaining an opening, however, and have simply become prepared to spell the name after the usual return hail from the tender. We have never had a derogatory response from a tender. We had three bridges to clear going from Tampa Bay to Sarasota Bay and most of the tenders who worked there would usually strike up a short conversation about the meaning of the name and would leave us with a very friendly feeling after the conversation! The tenders in New Jersey at the entrance to Morgan Creek simply put a post-it note on the desk with the boat name spelling correctly noted as we passed through that bridge almost weekly. In addition, it is quite fun to go to the registry of documented vessels and be listed as the sole proprietor of the name "Quantum Evolution" as opposed to the 1000's of "Southern Comforts" and "Mistress." I think people who take the time to develop a unique name for their boat have a better experience with other boaters since they almost always have an easy start to a conversation -- "Whatever lead you to naming your boat XXXXX?" After we answer the question -- a geologist married to a biologist who moved directly from a 19' open daysailer/racer to a 33' inboard SV the conversants always know more about us and have a warmer feeling for who we are as mariners. As proof positive, "Gluckspiltz" has already sparked an open conversation that has made us have a thorough understanding of how the owner feels about both his boat and his relationship to boating. I think it is a great choice for a name! Besides, I like the look of the transom of our boat with a name that spans the entire stern from port to starboard -- it adds to the beauty of the vessel -- and as an expense ranks way down below many other things we all know we have to do such as bottom paint, maintaining varnish, replacing running rigging, etc., etc. Donald Dutton "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20:23 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Chris h wrote: So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. Somewhere I read that when you think of a name, it's important to consider how easy it will be to pronounce it and understand it over the VHF. I can hear it now... "Third Street bridge tender, Third Street bridge tender, this is the sailing vessel Gluckspiltz. Over." "Vessel hailing the Third Street bridge tender, this is the bridge tender, what is the name of your vessel? Over." At this point, the skipper is thinking "you stupid @#$%&**!!!, it's Gluckspiltz, " but of course he's too polite to say that, so he just says, "Third Street bridge tender, this is the sailing vessel Gluckspiltz, that's Gluckspiltz as in lucky mushroom. Over." And then the bridge tender is thinking, "lucky mushroom my ass, it's one of those funny mushrooms for sure," but he's too polite to say that, so he says "OK, sailing vessel Mushroom, the Third Street bridge opens in 10 minutes. Over." Also consider the increased cost of applying a name to the transom when it has 10 letters. Chris Campbell

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 11:25:47 Read Howarth wrote: > For the short term: > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing > I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since > the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? If you are racing then that is one option. Best to joint the cal20.com forums as its the home site for the class association. Lots of talent wrt CAL-20 on the list and in that part of the States. See http://www.cal20.com and register on the site. Then check out the fleets to find one near you. Grab the manual from here to get you orientated. http://www.ewind.com/user/sfcal20/cal20-owners-manual.pdf Good info here as well, and I believe the rigger actually worked for Jensone Marine at one time: http://www.sealsspars.com/classy20footer.html Parts are abundant from several sources: http://www.sealsspars.com/c20catalog.html being them major supplier In the Bay Area and perhaps in S CAL as well there are several specialty shops that work on prepping CAL-20's just for the racing scene. As on this list they are very helpfull folks. Wrt to California cruising grounds, This is a question best asked to folks on this list from that particular part of the country. In located close to Lake Ontario so no where even close..:) -- /ch

Donald Dutton wrote: > Our vessel, "Quantum Evolution," contains 16 letters and is rarely > understood by bridge tenders. We have never had a problem gaining an > opening, however, and have simply become prepared to spell the name > after the usual return hail from the tender. We have never had a > derogatory response from a tender. I was really kidding, but I have a little bit of experience with unusual names since my other boat came to us as "Baker's Dozen," in honor of her hull no. of 13. By the time we came up with something more imposing, we were used to "Baker's Dozen." Besides, the name was epoxied on the transom by the previous owners and did not come off until she got painted 15 years later. The name is not difficult, but those not informed as to the meaning of a baker's dozen just assume that I'm named Baker and this is my 12th boat. Chris Campbell

Thank you I like that anodized aluminium bridge for consolodating the control lines above the hatch on Steve Seals' site. In the Mariner some use a magic box underneath the same spot after running the lines under the deck. While it keeps the topside clean I think I like the Cal bridge better. Also, no holes in the deck. Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 11:25:47 Read Howarth wrote: > For the short term: > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing > I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since > the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? If you are racing then that is one option. Best to joint the cal20.com forums as its the home site for the class association. Lots of talent wrt CAL-20 on the list and in that part of the States. See http://www.cal20. com and register on the site. Then check out the fleets to find one near you. Grab the manual from here to get you orientated. http://www.ewind. com/user/ sfcal20/cal20- owners-manual. pdf Good info here as well, and I believe the rigger actually worked for Jensone Marine at one time: http://www.sealsspa rs.com/classy20f ooter.html Parts are abundant from several sources: http://www.sealsspa rs.com/c20catalo g.html being them major supplier In the Bay Area and perhaps in S CAL as well there are several specialty shops that work on prepping CAL-20's just for the racing scene. As on this list they are very helpfull folks. Wrt to California cruising grounds, This is a question best asked to folks on this list from that particular part of the country. In located close to Lake Ontario so no where even close..:) -- /ch

The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

For some reason, this makes me think of a picture I saw of Donna Lange on her boat... let's see, I bet I can find it... There, now it's attached. Now, as everyone knows, her boat's name is Inspired Insanity, but it never fails to amuse me looking at that pic how it can appear her boat's name is "Inspired Virgin" from Insanity Islands! Yeah, I know, that's just infantile - but I'm from the insanity islands and so find such silliness amusing. From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Our vessel, "Quantum Evolution," contains 16 letters and is rarely understood by bridge tenders. We have never had a problem gaining an opening, however, and have simply become prepared to spell the name after the usual return hail from the tender. We have never had a derogatory response from a tender. We had three bridges to clear going from Tampa Bay to Sarasota Bay and most of the tenders who worked there would usually strike up a short conversation about the meaning of the name and would leave us with a very friendly feeling after the conversation! The tenders in New Jersey at the entrance to Morgan Creek simply put a post-it note on the desk with the boat name spelling correctly noted as we passed through that bridge almost weekly. In addition, it is quite fun to go to the registry of documented vessels and be listed as the sole proprietor of the name "Quantum Evolution" as opposed to the 1000's of "Southern Comforts" and "Mistress." I think people who take the time to develop a unique name for their boat have a better experience with other boaters since they almost always have an easy start to a conversation -- "Whatever lead you to naming your boat XXXXX?" After we answer the question -- a geologist married to a biologist who moved directly from a 19' open daysailer/racer to a 33' inboard SV the conversants always know more about us and have a warmer feeling for who we are as mariners. As proof positive, "Gluckspiltz" has already sparked an open conversation that has made us have a thorough understanding of how the owner feels about both his boat and his relationship to boating. I think it is a great choice for a name! Besides, I like the look of the transom of our boat with a name that spans the entire stern from port to starboard -- it adds to the beauty of the vessel -- and as an expense ranks way down below many other things we all know we have to do such as bottom paint, maintaining varnish, replacing running rigging, etc., etc. Donald Dutton "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20:23 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Chris h wrote: So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. Somewhere I read that when you think of a name, it's important to consider how easy it will be to pronounce it and understand it over the VHF. I can hear it now... "Third Street bridge tender, Third Street bridge tender, this is the sailing vessel Gluckspiltz. Over." "Vessel hailing the Third Street bridge tender, this is the bridge tender, what is the name of your vessel? Over." At this point, the skipper is thinking "you stupid @#$%&**!!!, it's Gluckspiltz, " but of course he's too polite to say that, so he just says, "Third Street bridge tender, this is the sailing vessel Gluckspiltz, that's Gluckspiltz as in lucky mushroom. Over." And then the bridge tender is thinking, "lucky mushroom my ass, it's one of those funny mushrooms for sure," but he's too polite to say that, so he says "OK, sailing vessel Mushroom, the Third Street bridge opens in 10 minutes. Over." Also consider the increased cost of applying a name to the transom when it has 10 letters. Chris Campbell

Yep, Catalina is about it in the Los Angeles area. I pretty much go exclusively to Catalina to get in my sailing time. Great island with alot of variety. Avalon is hard to get a mooring in... you cannot get a spot on the weekends, only mid-week. Two Harbors is the destination for sailors. I generally prefer dropping anchor in my favorite spots. San Pedro (Los Angeles Harbor) is the closest harbor to Catalina- I make the channel crossing in 4 hours. Must be prepared to deal with heavy shipping traffic (avoid the fog!) Previously had my boat in Huntington Harbor, that was a 6 hour crossing.. Marina Del Rey... well you're probably looking at 8 hours. San Pedro is very industrial and the boat get's sooty within 3 days from the pollution- cheapest dock space in So Cal. But otherwise a pretty harbor with huge boats.. Marina Del Ray is the expensive LA professional harbor... but the worst location for heading to Catalina. Oxnard is nice and you could target the other Channel Islands there. Catalina I believe is the only Island with various degrees of civilization, all other islands are pretty remote I think, but I've only been to Anacapa aside from Catalina. For longer cruising you can head towards Ensenada Mexico. There is the Newport to Ensenada Race every spring... some boats whip it out in like 24 hours, most take 2-3 days of sailing to get there. And that's downwind. Coming back North is tough (alot of people trailer). I've always wanted to take off and cruise Baja for a season... that's what the hard core cruisers do. Big game fish too. Beautiful extremely remote desert environment... with some small towns along the way to the final destination Cabo San Lucas. Roughly a 2000 mile journey I believe. Just waiting to get laid off from my job... then I'll pack my bags and vamos! From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps..com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Cal 20- cheap and small. Older flush top Cal 25- most efficient cabin layout of any boat that size- very versatile and roomy. Fit's cheaper 25' dock spaces. 25' boat automatically covered under home owners insurance.. Pretty affordable to maintain, especially with a partner. Cal 27- big boat in a small package... standing head room unless you're a basketball player. Catalina 28- super sweet boats... the ones with the galley across the companion way area look like an awsome layout. Gotta deal with inboard motors on the 27 and 28. But bigger boats require bigger hardware and deeper pockets. ofcourse I'm refering to all the vintage models above... wouldn't waste my money on a new boat, bigger's better! http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/ From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

There are many great places in the lee of Catalina. For example Little Gibraltar or Whites Landing (Long Point) to many to mention. On the mainland the best kept little secret is Portuguese Bend/Inspiration Point. For a quick last minute over night the Oil island in Long Beach. There are also plenty of Harbors to visit up and down the coast. If you are considering San Pedro area marinas. You will want to be in Holiday Harbor/Cabrillo Marina. There are no soot problems anymore, since the (Coal) Ore Loader terminal was moved to Terminal Island a few years ago. The Sailing here is as good as it gets. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Whirled Peas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Yep, Catalina is about it in the Los Angeles area. I pretty much go exclusively to Catalina to get in my sailing time. Great island with alot of variety. Avalon is hard to get a mooring in... you cannot get a spot on the weekends, only mid-week. Two Harbors is the destination for sailors. I generally prefer dropping anchor in my favorite spots. San Pedro (Los Angeles Harbor) is the closest harbor to Catalina- I make the channel crossing in 4 hours. Must be prepared to deal with heavy shipping traffic (avoid the fog!) Previously had my boat in Huntington Harbor, that was a 6 hour crossing. Marina Del Rey... well you're probably looking at 8 hours. San Pedro is very industrial and the boat get's sooty within 3 days from the pollution- cheapest dock space in So Cal. But otherwise a pretty harbor with huge boats. Marina Del Ray is the expensive LA professional harbor... but the worst location for heading to Catalina. Oxnard is nice and you could target the other Channel Islands there. Catalina I believe is the only Island with various degrees of civilization, all other islands are pretty remote I think, but I've only been to Anacapa aside from Catalina. For longer cruising you can head towards Ensenada Mexico. There is the Newport to Ensenada Race every spring... some boats whip it out in like 24 hours, most take 2-3 days of sailing to get there. And that's downwind. Coming back North is tough (alot of people trailer). I've always wanted to take off and cruise Baja for a season... that's what the hard core cruisers do. Big game fish too. Beautiful extremely remote desert environment... with some small towns along the way to the final destination Cabo San Lucas. Roughly a 2000 mile journey I believe. Just waiting to get laid off from my job... then I'll pack my bags and vamos! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis -----Original Message----- From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3846 (20090211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Speaking of spreadsheet-Thanks Now I just need someone to chime in on the larger boats. Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:50:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Cal 20- cheap and small. Older flush top Cal 25- most efficient cabin layout of any boat that size- very versatile and roomy. Fit's cheaper 25' dock spaces. 25' boat automatically covered under home owners insurance. Pretty affordable to maintain, especially with a partner. Cal 27- big boat in a small package... standing head room unless you're a basketball player. Catalina 28- super sweet boats... the ones with the galley across the companion way area look like an awsome layout. Gotta deal with inboard motors on the 27 and 28. But bigger boats require bigger hardware and deeper pockets. ofcourse I'm refering to all the vintage models above... wouldn't waste my money on a new boat, bigger's better! http://www.stirling law.com/cal28/ From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new.. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

mark Thanks I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic stories. Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as long as the fleet is very active. For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:52:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) There are many great places in the lee of Catalina. For example Little Gibraltar or Whites Landing (Long Point) to many to mention. On the mainland the best kept little secret is Portuguese Bend/Inspiration Point. For a quick last minute over night the Oil island in Long Beach. There are also plenty of Harbors to visit up and down the coast. If you are considering San Pedro area marinas. You will want to be in Holiday Harbor/Cabrillo Marina. There are no soot problems anymore, since the (Coal) Ore Loader terminal was moved to Terminal Island a few years ago. The Sailing here is as good as it gets. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: Whirled Peas To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Yep, Catalina is about it in the Los Angeles area. I pretty much go exclusively to Catalina to get in my sailing time. Great island with alot of variety. Avalon is hard to get a mooring in... you cannot get a spot on the weekends, only mid-week. Two Harbors is the destination for sailors. I generally prefer dropping anchor in my favorite spots. San Pedro (Los Angeles Harbor) is the closest harbor to Catalina- I make the channel crossing in 4 hours. Must be prepared to deal with heavy shipping traffic (avoid the fog!) Previously had my boat in Huntington Harbor, that was a 6 hour crossing. Marina Del Rey... well you're probably looking at 8 hours. San Pedro is very industrial and the boat get's sooty within 3 days from the pollution- cheapest dock space in So Cal. But otherwise a pretty harbor with huge boats. Marina Del Ray is the expensive LA professional harbor... but the worst location for heading to Catalina. Oxnard is nice and you could target the other Channel Islands there. Catalina I believe is the only Island with various degrees of civilization, all other islands are pretty remote I think, but I've only been to Anacapa aside from Catalina. For longer cruising you can head towards Ensenada Mexico. There is the Newport to Ensenada Race every spring... some boats whip it out in like 24 hours, most take 2-3 days of sailing to get there. And that's downwind. Coming back North is tough (alot of people trailer). I've always wanted to take off and cruise Baja for a season... that's what the hard core cruisers do. Big game fish too. Beautiful extremely remote desert environment. .. with some small towns along the way to the final destination Cabo San Lucas. Roughly a 2000 mile journey I believe. Just waiting to get laid off from my job... then I'll pack my bags and vamos! From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3846 (20090211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

What happened to spell check? Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:08:14 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) mark Thanks I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic stories. Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as long as the fleet is very active. For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:52:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) There are many great places in the lee of Catalina. For example Little Gibraltar or Whites Landing (Long Point) to many to mention. On the mainland the best kept little secret is Portuguese Bend/Inspiration Point. For a quick last minute over night the Oil island in Long Beach. There are also plenty of Harbors to visit up and down the coast. If you are considering San Pedro area marinas. You will want to be in Holiday Harbor/Cabrillo Marina. There are no soot problems anymore, since the (Coal) Ore Loader terminal was moved to Terminal Island a few years ago. The Sailing here is as good as it gets. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: Whirled Peas To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Yep, Catalina is about it in the Los Angeles area. I pretty much go exclusively to Catalina to get in my sailing time. Great island with alot of variety. Avalon is hard to get a mooring in... you cannot get a spot on the weekends, only mid-week. Two Harbors is the destination for sailors. I generally prefer dropping anchor in my favorite spots. San Pedro (Los Angeles Harbor) is the closest harbor to Catalina- I make the channel crossing in 4 hours. Must be prepared to deal with heavy shipping traffic (avoid the fog!) Previously had my boat in Huntington Harbor, that was a 6 hour crossing. Marina Del Rey... well you're probably looking at 8 hours. San Pedro is very industrial and the boat get's sooty within 3 days from the pollution- cheapest dock space in So Cal. But otherwise a pretty harbor with huge boats. Marina Del Ray is the expensive LA professional harbor... but the worst location for heading to Catalina. Oxnard is nice and you could target the other Channel Islands there. Catalina I believe is the only Island with various degrees of civilization, all other islands are pretty remote I think, but I've only been to Anacapa aside from Catalina. For longer cruising you can head towards Ensenada Mexico. There is the Newport to Ensenada Race every spring... some boats whip it out in like 24 hours, most take 2-3 days of sailing to get there. And that's downwind. Coming back North is tough (alot of people trailer). I've always wanted to take off and cruise Baja for a season... that's what the hard core cruisers do. Big game fish too. Beautiful extremely remote desert environment. .. with some small towns along the way to the final destination Cabo San Lucas. Roughly a 2000 mile journey I believe. Just waiting to get laid off from my job... then I'll pack my bags and vamos! From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3846 (20090211)__________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Whirled Peas wrote: > Cal 20- cheap and small. It would be more polite to say "inexpensive and small." And if you're talking about me, it's more polite to say "frugal" or "expenditure challenged" than cheap, although I confess to both. I can take the slight but my poor boat is embarrassed. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@...> wrote: > > mark > > Thanks > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic stories. > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as long as the fleet is very active. > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > Read > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@... You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program using Cal 20s that are club owned. Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least as convenient as Marina Del Rey. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

CAL 36 came in the original"racinig" version and then a cruising version with a raised salon. I believe the 35 started out as a Cruising version with raised salon and later was available without raised salon, but could be wrong. Reggie CAL 27 T/2 "Knot Ready" CAL Cruising 36 "Submit" have T-shirts which are monogramed "Knot Ready to Submit" To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: rs… [at] yahoo.comDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:02:57 -0800Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. HowarthMoorestown, New Je… [at] yahoo.com From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PMSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s!Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AMSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. HowarthMoorestown, New Jerseyrshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AMSubject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long.CheersCharlieAnnapolis-----Original Message-----From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris hSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AMTo: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote:Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. --/ch------------ --------- --------- ------Yahoo! Groups Links

Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 16:36:45 mtkennedy1 wrote: Just out of interest, where does the 39 fit into the product line and time scale of things. -- /ch

longer than the 40, built after the 40 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ch… [at] magma.caDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:54:04 -0500Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 16:36:45 mtkennedy1 wrote:Just out of interest, where does the 39 fit into the product line and time scale of things. -- /ch

Patrick Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? If so, which one is more desireable? What engine did it come with? What should the engine be replaced with? What equipment should you look for? What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. What structural problems should you look for? Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? Read Read Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Patrick And since you live aboard, what do you find necessary in a liveaboard? Thanks R Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: rs… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:22:28 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? If so, which one is more desireable? What engine did it come with? What should the engine be replaced with? What equipment should you look for? What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. What structural problems should you look for? Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? Read Read Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:17:38 r good wrote: > longer than the 40, Ha???? > built after the 40 OK....a little more detail would be interesting conversation Regards and thanks -- /ch

oops sorry!! I meant sophisticatingly economical in a large boat sinking economy ;) From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:34:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Whirled Peas wrote: Cal 20- cheap and small. It would be more polite to say "inexpensive and small." And if you're talking about me, it's more polite to say "frugal" or "expenditure challenged" than cheap, although I confess to both. I can take the slight but my poor boat is embarrassed. Chris Campbell

If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ch… [at] magma.caDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:28:41 -0500Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:17:38 r good wrote:> longer than the 40,Ha????> built after the 40 OK....a little more detail would be interesting conversationRegards and thanks-- /ch

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

Read, Enough room to move and not go crazy. Shower, usable galley (stove/oven), microwave, refrigeration, storage, captains berth that can fit a couple comfortably. I have a Bristol 30 that was ok for about a year, however it was very tight when I had multiple people on board. I like to cruise and race with friends, I like to have the ability to race with five or six friends and still have enough space to sleep (The Cal 40 could really sleep 7 or 8). The Cal 40 can do this very well and yet sail very fast. It is hard to tell you how this boat can sail, lets just say, when you set the sails and make your adjustments, you can almost forget the helm. I have done this many times, have walked away from the helm for long periods of time until the sails start to tell me that course adjustments are needed (Sometimes 30-45 minutes). I have removed the center table from my Cal, it opened up the salon quite well and gives it a more roomy feel. I seldom dine below deck and when I do the weather is nasty. I do miss the swivel tray however the space is well worth the sacrifice. I am currently taking it through a full restoration and my sailing will be limited until I replace the mast step. I have many projects on going such as deck/cabin top paint....top side paint....interior woodwork...the list is on going. I have had this boat for over a year now and have sailed it extensively until the past month. I really love the way it sails....space down below is great, however the sailing ability is awesome. The items that I will be adding before setting off to cruise will be a watermaker. The Cal 40 only has about 40 gallons of fresh water storage...not enough for lengthy cruises. Patrick From: "rs… [at] yahoo.com" <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:27:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick And since you live aboard, what do you find necessary in a liveaboard? Thanks R Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: rshowarth@yahoo. com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:22:28 +0000 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? If so, which one is more desireable? What engine did it come with? What should the engine be replaced with? What equipment should you look for? What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. What structural problems should you look for? Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? Read Read Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ch… [at] magma.caDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote:> If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came> in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. ReggieSo in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:26:50 r good wrote: > from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of > around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. So why does the 40 get all the attention then....not wanting to offend anyone, just wanting to understand. -- /ch

Read, I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. There were not many changes but a few minor ones. The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a month). The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous ways. Let me know if you have anyother questions. Patrick From: "rs… [at] yahoo.com" <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? If so, which one is more desireable? What engine did it come with? What should the engine be replaced with? What equipment should you look for? What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. What structural problems should you look for? Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? Read Read Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:34:07 Chris h wrote: OK I get it....looked at the numbers and the 40 is more impressive. The 39 is still a nice boat however as well. -- /ch

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris h <chris123@...> wrote: > > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 16:36:45 mtkennedy1 wrote: > > Just out of interest, where does the 39 fit into the product line and time > scale of things. I didn't write the question but will try an answer. The 39 was Lapworth's attempt to deal with the IOR. The IOR made the 40 noncompetitive because the rating went so high. The early IOR boats used a couple of quirks in the rule to lower rating. One was the girth measurement which could be finagled by adding tumblehome or even bumps, as a lot of east coast Pearsons did right after the rule came out. I can remember looking at Pearson 36s and 39s with obvious bumps glued on that were almost a foot high. It had to be slow but they were trying anything. A couple of 40s were seriously modified, especially George Thorsen's Arianna, which added a bustle and a bowsprit. The 39 is larger inside because of the greater beam and is a bigger boat than the 40. George Griffith got the #1 hull again and said he wished he had kept his 40. The 39 won its class in Transpac one year but was never the winner the 40 was. It took a while to learn what was fast in the IOR and that wasn't it. Doug Peterson and Ron Holland came along a few years later and showed everybody what to do. All those early IOR boats had excessive weather helm but I haven't sailed a 39 so don't know how it did. I had a Yankee 38, essentially the S&S one ton design and very much like the Swan 38. It was a handful downwind in a breeze (I see someone signed up for Transpac this year with a Catalina 38 and don't envy them) and had a lot of weather helm upwind. You had to sail the boat flat and that meant going down in sail area early. The 39 has not held its value as well and there are nice boats around pretty cheap right now. It should be a nice cruising boat. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > -- > /ch >

Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: chris123@magma. ca Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

The CAL 40 is THE classic that made Bill Lapworth famous (some of the other models did not hurt, either). However, the CAL 40 interior is rather spartan for cruising purposes. The CAL 39 is longer (yes!) and beamier than the 40 and has a more cruiserly interior. The boat is also raced often. The "racing" CAL 36 looks just like a 40 with the butt cut off (rig also different), so the interior space is almost the same. Many 40s have been modified in many ways as far as interior goes. Hard to say if there is a "standard" interior any more. Mine is probably pretty close. there is no embedded dining table. Table folds down from the bulkhead (sort of). Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:22 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? If so, which one is more desireable? What engine did it come with? What should the engine be replaced with? What equipment should you look for? What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. What structural problems should you look for? Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? Read Read Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com <http://bah.com/> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com <http://cal20.com/> , etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, rshowarth@... wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/sets/72157600368863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... There are several photo albums on the Cal site. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: r good <my1972ih@...> > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. > > > ________________________________ > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > From: chris123@magma. ca > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie > > So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of > which are rather amazing vessels. > > -- > /ch >

The flush deck "White Squall" is an amazing modification...thanks for the link. From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:03:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, rshowarth@.. . wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 9030851@N08/ sets/72157600368 863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistor y.org/?page_ id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > >

Hey! The Cal 40 is the yacht that changed boat design. There is something magic about "Grandpa's Sled", sorta like Shelby Cobras. Compared to modern designs they are antiquated and "slow" but the heart beats faster in many when one is spotted. Of the approximately 130 produced, the reputation is phenomenal, and still building. Cal 40's are fairly austere, with racing bunks, and perform with a solid, safe confidence. Because it was built with no ribs in the hull, the sole is many inches lower than modern yachts. This keeps the cabin top low, with relatively low freeboard making it a "low-rider", a very pleasing to the eye graceful lady of the sea. Really there is only one Cal 40 model, with some factory variants. There were a few with bow sprits, one (reported) ketch, some with different ports (Wings), one with a Cal 25 Flat-top (White Squall), and then there was the Cal 37, a Cal 40 with the ass end lopped off, probably a plug in the mold. The "Standard Engine" was a Gray Marine gas engine, but it is reported that some diesels were also installed. Cal 39's are rated faster, and maybe sail faster, but really did not gain the mystery of the 40. They are much nicer layouts, favoring living on the boat and cruising. 39's are complete and modern. The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer. 46's can kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. The "ultimate" (fastest-best cruiser) Cal is probably the Cal 48... with great speed, and massive interior cruising space. So very few of these were made, which is a shame... I have not seen one in person. Humbly submitted, dEmO Cal 40 #94 California Girl Cal 9.2 #66 Freewind Cal 20 #871? Culo Bagnato From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://ps.com> From: chris123@magma. ca Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:47:42 mtkennedy1 wrote: > The 39 has not held its value as well and there are nice boats around > pretty cheap right now. It should be a nice cruising boat. Thanks for the detailed review. Out of interest, what is considered cheap for a 39. Based on what Ive read by way of comparison on this list its approx 50K for CAL-40, Best regards and thanks -- /ch

Mike, your boat is for sail, yes? how does one check the beam under the mast step? I've only seen one CAL 40 and the beam looks to be enclosed in fiberglass. From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:03:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, rshowarth@... wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/sets/72157600368863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

oops. i meant to say "sale" not "sail". From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:31:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Mike, your boat is for sail, yes? how does one check the beam under the mast step? I've only seen one CAL 40 and the beam looks to be enclosed in fiberglass. From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:03:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, rshowarth@... wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/sets/72157600368863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

The fiberglass that covers the mast step beam is just a quarter of an inch shell. You can best see the steel mast step by pulling out the port and starboard bench berths and looking directly at the beam. You can also see it by looking at it in the head, just to the right of the head is where the port shroud rod connects. In my experience, the port side was worse due to the head and shower that keeps the beam moist in that area. Here are some photo's of what my mast beam looked like...pretty nasty. From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:31:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Mike, your boat is for sail, yes? how does one check the beam under the mast step? I've only seen one CAL 40 and the beam looks to be enclosed in fiberglass. From: mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@cox. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:03:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, rshowarth@.. . wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 9030851@N08/ sets/72157600368 863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistor y.org/?page_ id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Chris, what you meant to say was "a petite, but powerful, boat for the expenditure challenged individual". Or did you just mean "cheap and small"? I agree with WP on the CAL 25 space, but it is lateral. Just don't stand up (or in the v-berth sit-up) too fast. On some of them, the pop top works. Not on mine. But the hatch slides beautifully. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:35 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Whirled Peas wrote: Cal 20- cheap and small. It would be more polite to say "inexpensive and small." And if you're talking about me, it's more polite to say "frugal" or "expenditure challenged" than cheap, although I confess to both. I can take the slight but my poor boat is embarrassed. Chris Campbell

hmmm. looks expensive. Is the failure rate of these beams 100%, meaning they all have to be replaced at some point? Is any replacement metal good enough to live in the same conditions as the old beam and yet not suffer the same fate? From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The fiberglass that covers the mast step beam is just a quarter of an inch shell. You can best see the steel mast step by pulling out the port and starboard bench berths and looking directly at the beam. You can also see it by looking at it in the head, just to the right of the head is where the port shroud rod connects. In my experience, the port side was worse due to the head and shower that keeps the beam moist in that area. Here are some photo's of what my mast beam looked like...pretty nasty. From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:31:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Mike, your boat is for sail, yes? how does one check the beam under the mast step? I've only seen one CAL 40 and the beam looks to be enclosed in fiberglass. From: mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@cox. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:03:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, rshowarth@.. . wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 9030851@N08/ sets/72157600368 863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistor y.org/?page_ id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I understand the later models did not suffer from the same problem. I am not sure if they started to treat the steel or changed the steel makeup in the later models. Mine was built in 1968 and have a friend that owns the last hull built, his does not suffer the same fate. I am replacing the mast step with a step made from 316 stainless. The way I figure, if the original step lasted 40 years in just untreated steel, I should be ok from here on out. From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) hmmm. looks expensive. Is the failure rate of these beams 100%, meaning they all have to be replaced at some point? Is any replacement metal good enough to live in the same conditions as the old beam and yet not suffer the same fate? From: Patrick Fiega <pfiega@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The fiberglass that covers the mast step beam is just a quarter of an inch shell. You can best see the steel mast step by pulling out the port and starboard bench berths and looking directly at the beam. You can also see it by looking at it in the head, just to the right of the head is where the port shroud rod connects. In my experience, the port side was worse due to the head and shower that keeps the beam moist in that area. Here are some photo's of what my mast beam looked like...pretty nasty. From: Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:31:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Mike, your boat is for sail, yes? how does one check the beam under the mast step? I've only seen one CAL 40 and the beam looks to be enclosed in fiberglass. From: mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@cox. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:03:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, rshowarth@.. . wrote: > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on the centerline, a good mod. > > If so, which one is more desireable? Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 9030851@N08/ sets/72157600368 863071/ Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > What engine did it come with? Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > What should the engine be replaced with? I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our restoration here: http://abriefhistor y.org/?page_ id=67 > > What equipment should you look for? Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > What structural problems should you look for? Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor had one. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Chris, spend it now or later. The CAL 40 is a $100K boat. Buy one cheap and spend repair money, or buy a rehabbed one and spend less. Figure you will end up around $100K to have a boat in good shape. Cheers, I Guess Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:47:42 mtkennedy1 wrote: > The 39 has not held its value as well and there are nice boats around > pretty cheap right now. It should be a nice cruising boat. Thanks for the detailed review. Out of interest, what is considered cheap for a 39. Based on what Ive read by way of comparison on this list its approx 50K for CAL-40, Best regards and thanks -- /ch ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Charlie, I would disagree. I will have 50k invested when things are done and that includes replacement of A/C, Watermaker, mast step, mast rebuild, sails and paint from top to bottom. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:42:27 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 $$$ (Chris H) Chris, spend it now or later. The CAL 40 is a $100K boat. Buy one cheap and spend repair money, or buy a rehabbed one and spend less. Figure you will end up around $100K to have a boat in good shape. Cheers, I Guess Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:58 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:47:42 mtkennedy1 wrote: > The 39 has not held its value as well and there are nice boats around > pretty cheap right now. It should be a nice cruising boat. Thanks for the detailed review. Out of interest, what is considered cheap for a 39. Based on what Ive read by way of comparison on this list its approx 50K for CAL-40, Best regards and thanks -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Good luck with your layoff man, I just got mine, and I just go for pleasant daysails between sending out resumes and then obsessively checking my email for responses. From: Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:34:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Yep, Catalina is about it in the Los Angeles area. I pretty much go exclusively to Catalina to get in my sailing time. Great island with alot of variety. Avalon is hard to get a mooring in... you cannot get a spot on the weekends, only mid-week. Two Harbors is the destination for sailors. I generally prefer dropping anchor in my favorite spots. San Pedro (Los Angeles Harbor) is the closest harbor to Catalina- I make the channel crossing in 4 hours. Must be prepared to deal with heavy shipping traffic (avoid the fog!) Previously had my boat in Huntington Harbor, that was a 6 hour crossing. Marina Del Rey... well you're probably looking at 8 hours. San Pedro is very industrial and the boat get's sooty within 3 days from the pollution- cheapest dock space in So Cal. But otherwise a pretty harbor with huge boats. Marina Del Ray is the expensive LA professional harbor... but the worst location for heading to Catalina. Oxnard is nice and you could target the other Channel Islands there. Catalina I believe is the only Island with various degrees of civilization, all other islands are pretty remote I think, but I've only been to Anacapa aside from Catalina. For longer cruising you can head towards Ensenada Mexico. There is the Newport to Ensenada Race every spring... some boats whip it out in like 24 hours, most take 2-3 days of sailing to get there. And that's downwind. Coming back North is tough (alot of people trailer). I've always wanted to take off and cruise Baja for a season... that's what the hard core cruisers do. Big game fish too. Beautiful extremely remote desert environment. .. with some small towns along the way to the final destination Cabo San Lucas. Roughly a 2000 mile journey I believe. Just waiting to get laid off from my job... then I'll pack my bags and vamos! From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

They're getting almost giddy about making our side of the basin look like yours. From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:36:45 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@. ..> wrote: > > mark > > Thanks > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic stories. > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as long as the fleet is very active. > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > Read > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@.. . You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program using Cal 20s that are club owned. Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least as convenient as Marina Del Rey. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > Hey! > > The Cal 40 is the yacht that changed boat design. There is something > magic about "Grandpa's Sled", sorta like Shelby Cobras. Compared to > modern designs they are antiquated and "slow" but the heart beats > faster in many when one is spotted. Of the approximately 130 > produced, the reputation is phenomenal, and still building. Yup. > > Cal 40's are fairly austere, with racing bunks, and perform with a > solid, safe confidence. Because it was built with no ribs in the > hull, the sole is many inches lower than modern yachts. This keeps > the cabin top low, with relatively low freeboard making it a "low- > rider", a very pleasing to the eye graceful lady of the sea. Agreed. > > Really there is only one Cal 40 model, with some factory variants. > There were a few with bow sprits, one (reported) ketch, some with > different ports (Wings), one with a Cal 25 Flat-top (White Squall), > and then there was the Cal 37, a Cal 40 with the ass end lopped off, > probably a plug in the mold. The "Standard Engine" was a Gray Marine > gas engine, but it is reported that some diesels were also installed. There are two 37 versions. One was the east coast version in which Cal 40s were modified, mostly by Derecktor's yard which cut the stern off and left a reverse transom. Examples are Thunderbird, after they won Bermuda, and Windquest. The west coast 37s were factory built with the mold plugged. The east coast version is actually a 38 since only 18 inches was removed. Also, Thunderbird and Windquest, plus Intrepid II, a west coast 37, had an engine mod with the prop in an aperture in the keel and the engine in mid-cabin. > > Cal 39's are rated faster, and maybe sail faster, but really did not > gain the mystery of the 40. They are much nicer layouts, favoring > living on the boat and cruising. 39's are complete and modern. They are bigger inside. I saw a Chaote 40 next to the Cal 40 while we had it in the yard a couple of years ago. The Choate 40 was huge compared to the Cal 40. > > The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer. 46's can > kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and > light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and > space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is > the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the > original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. Agreed. The first 46 was Fram, a custom boat that was later copied by Lapworth and Jensen. > > The "ultimate" (fastest-best cruiser) Cal is probably the Cal 48... > with great speed, and massive interior cruising space. So very few > of these were made, which is a shame... I have not seen one in person. I looked at one thinking of buying it the weekend of my 60th birthday. that was 11 years ago. It is an odd layout with a small aft cabin that is not very accessible. That is the 48: http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/8645 The best cruiser is the 43 which I almost bought before I bought the 40. It is huge inside with a nice aft cabin. This is the one we almost bought: http://www.sailingtexas.com/scal43a.html The owner had ruined it by bolting chain plates on the outside of the hull. I think it has been sold since. That boat has circumnavigated. The 48 is said to be wet and isn't that much bigger inside but it is beautiful. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96. > > Humbly submitted, > > dEmO > > Cal 40 #94 California Girl > Cal 9.2 #66 Freewind > Cal 20 #871? Culo Bagnato > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:49 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be > interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 > owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... > > From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings > of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > From: chris123@magma. ca > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the > 39 came > > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. > Reggie > > So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 > both of > which are rather amazing vessels. > > -- > /ch > > > >

On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Mike Taylor wrote: > > Mike, your boat is for sail, yes? > > how does one check the beam under the mast step? I've only seen one > CAL 40 and the beam looks to be enclosed in fiberglass. You can cut an inspection port, as I did, in the forward side of the threshold. It is also visible in the head under the toilet and under the stbd settee bunk if it is pulled out. The best way is to use a flexible scope but the areas that fail are mostly visible if you look under the toilet and in the hanging locker and under the settee bunk. Mine is for sale at a pretty high price as everything has been fixed. I won't be heartbroken if nobody buys it. I figure the only buyer would be someone who wants to take a 40 in Transpac next summer. The asking price is about 2/3 of what I have in it. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:03:27 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, rshowarth@... wrote: > > > > Patrick > > > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > There is a settee version but most are the traditional two pilot > berth, two settee berth layout. A few have been customized. One I saw > in Vancouver a few years ago had the galley redone with the sink on > the centerline, a good mod. > > > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > Personal choice. The unique one is White Squall, which has a flat deck > like the 25. I have a few photos on my photo site: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/sets/72157600368863071/ > > Feel free to look at the pics of our boat. > > > > > What engine did it come with? > > Most came with a Gray Marine gas engine. Some later ones may have had > a diesel but small diesels were rare in the 60s. > > > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > I have a Yanmar 3 YM which is about ideal. I have photos of our > restoration here: > > http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67 > > > > > > What equipment should you look for? > > Rigging should be less than 10 years old. The rest just depends on the > history of the boat because they are all 40 years old. > > > > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > The beam under the mast step. That needs to be checked. > > > > > What structural problems should you look for? > > Ditto. Plus rot in the deck plywood core. > > > > > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an > article on this? > > There have been several. Sailing had one and I think Practical Sailor > had one. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > > > Read > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Mike Taylor wrote: > > hmmm. looks expensive. > > Is the failure rate of these beams 100%, meaning they all have to be > replaced at some point? Is any replacement metal good enough to live > in the same conditions as the old beam and yet not suffer the same > fate? I haven't replaced mine and it looks OK. I have a couple of photos on the web site. I agree that the port end is the most susceptible to corrosion from urine in the head. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > >

Bob Perry wrote a cool article in Sailing magazine: http://www.sailingmagazine.net/perry_cal40.html From: "rs… [at] yahoo.com" <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:22:28 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? If so, which one is more desireable? What engine did it come with? What should the engine be replaced with? What equipment should you look for? What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. What structural problems should you look for? Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? Read Read Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. Wheee Dogggie From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Thank you for your comments Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. Regards Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris H- Thank you for your posts I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? For the short term: However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) End of story till spring. -- /ch ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

The Cal 40 is like Marilyn Monroe and the 39 is like that hot chick at work. It's just not fair to compare them. From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:34:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:26:50 r good wrote: > from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of > around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. So why does the 40 get all the attention then....not wanting to offend anyone, just wanting to understand. -- /ch

For some reason there are a bunch of 39s in our marina lately. I'll take their pictures and post them just for you. Also, it's an excuse for me to perv at them a little more! From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:48:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Very good information. ... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... From: r good <my1972ih@hotmail. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: chris123@magma. ca Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

Thu, 2/12/09, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: " The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer.." 46's can > kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and > light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and > space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is > the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the > original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. Agreed. The first 46 was Fram, a custom boat that was later copied by Lapworth and Jensen.***A few years back, I saw Fram in Long Beach, CA. I do not know about hull #2. I still have Cal 46, hull #3, that I bought from Jack Jensen's estate in 1983.After 26 years, we still love Satori. The perfect boat for us.A local mag, "Southwinds Sailing" is requesting owners reviews of their boats. If ours is printed, will send details.Tom & Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 #3, Cal 25 #737

Patrick Thanks the infamous mast step This is just the kind of information I was looking for. What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a recore? Read --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > Read, > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a month). > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous ways. > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > Patrick > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "rshowarth@..." rshowarth@... > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > What engine did it come with? > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > What equipment should you look for? > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? > > > Read > > > > > > > > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > 305 Kenwood Drive > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > 856-857-4140 > rshowarth@yahoo. com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ________________________________ > From: Patrick Fiega > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > Read, > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. > > > Wheee Dogggie > > > ________________________________ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Thank you for your comments > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. > > Regards > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris H- > > Thank you for your posts > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? > > For the short term: > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. > > Cheers > Charlie > Annapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > End of story till spring. > > -- > /ch > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Chris, what you meant to say was "a petite, but powerful, boat for the > expenditure challenged individual". Or did you just mean "cheap and > small"? I hold that "small" is a term of approbation in boats. Chris Campbell >

What are the differences in the layouts of the Original, the Mark 2 and Mark 3? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:44:26 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Cal 40, Now Cal 46 love affair Thu, 2/12/09, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@cox. net> wrote: " The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer.." 46's can > kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and > light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and > space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is > the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the > original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. Agreed. The first 46 was Fram, a custom boat that was later copied by Lapworth and Jensen. ***A few years back, I saw Fram in Long Beach, CA. I do not know about hull #2. I still have Cal 46, hull #3, that I bought from Jack Jensen's estate in 1983. After 26 years, we still love Satori. The perfect boat for us. A local mag, "Southwinds Sailing" is requesting owners reviews of their boats. If ours is printed, will send details. Tom & Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 #3, Cal 25 #737

Read, I personally have not seen a problem with the decks. Considering the way everything was bedded down over the last 40 years, I really should have deck problems...but I do not. I am currently pulling everything up off the decks, painting, epoxying and rebedding. Patrick From: Read <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:31:37 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks the infamous mast step This is just the kind of information I was looking for. What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a recore? Read --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > Read, > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a month). > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous ways. > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > Patrick > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "rshowarth@. .." rshowarth@.. . > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > What engine did it come with? > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > What equipment should you look for? > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? > > > Read > > > > > > > > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > 305 Kenwood Drive > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > 856-857-4140 > rshowarth@yahoo. com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Patrick Fiega > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > Read, > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. > > > Wheee Dogggie > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Thank you for your comments > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. > > Regards > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris H- > > Thank you for your posts > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? > > For the short term: > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. > > Cheers > Charlie > Annapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > End of story till spring. > > -- > /ch > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Do the 40s have balsa core decks? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:44:04 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, I personally have not seen a problem with the decks. Considering the way everything was bedded down over the last 40 years, I really should have deck problems...but I do not. I am currently pulling everything up off the decks, painting, epoxying and rebedding. Patrick From: Read <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:31:37 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks the infamous mast step This is just the kind of information I was looking for. What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a recore? Read --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > Read, > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a month). > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous ways. > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > Patrick > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "rshowarth@. .." rshowarth@.. . > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > What engine did it come with? > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > What equipment should you look for? > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? > > > Read > > > > > > > > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > 305 Kenwood Drive > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > 856-857-4140 > rshowarth@yahoo. com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Patrick Fiega > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > Read, > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. > > > Wheee Dogggie > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Thank you for your comments > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. > > Regards > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris H- > > Thank you for your posts > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? > > For the short term: > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. > > Cheers > Charlie > Annapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > End of story till spring. > > -- > /ch > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

This might be a good question for Mike K. however what I have seen it appears to be fiberglass over plywood. Everything I have dug into I see sheets of plywood with a thick layer of fiberglass on top. I might be wrong but that is what I am looking at right now. From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:51:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Do the 40s have balsa core decks? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Patrick Fiega <pfiega@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:44:04 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, I personally have not seen a problem with the decks. Considering the way everything was bedded down over the last 40 years, I really should have deck problems...but I do not. I am currently pulling everything up off the decks, painting, epoxying and rebedding. Patrick From: Read <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:31:37 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks the infamous mast step This is just the kind of information I was looking for. What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a recore? Read --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > Read, > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a month). > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous ways. > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > Patrick > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "rshowarth@. .." rshowarth@.. . > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > What engine did it come with? > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > What equipment should you look for? > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? > > > Read > > > > > > > > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > 305 Kenwood Drive > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > 856-857-4140 > rshowarth@yahoo. com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Patrick Fiega > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > Read, > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. > > > Wheee Dogggie > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Thank you for your comments > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. > > Regards > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris H- > > Thank you for your posts > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? > > For the short term: > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. > > Cheers > Charlie > Annapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > End of story till spring. > > -- > /ch > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Thanks Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:05:07 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) This might be a good question for Mike K. however what I have seen it appears to be fiberglass over plywood. Everything I have dug into I see sheets of plywood with a thick layer of fiberglass on top. I might be wrong but that is what I am looking at right now. From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:51:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Do the 40s have balsa core decks? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Patrick Fiega <pfiega@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:44:04 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read, I personally have not seen a problem with the decks. Considering the way everything was bedded down over the last 40 years, I really should have deck problems...but I do not. I am currently pulling everything up off the decks, painting, epoxying and rebedding. Patrick From: Read <rshowarth@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:31:37 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Patrick Thanks the infamous mast step This is just the kind of information I was looking for. What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a recore? Read --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > Read, > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a month). > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous ways. > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > Patrick > > > > >________________________________ > From: "rshowarth@. .." rshowarth@.. . > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > What engine did it come with? > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > What equipment should you look for? > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an article on this? > > > Read > > > > > > > > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > 305 Kenwood Drive > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > 856-857-4140 > rshowarth@yahoo. com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >________________________________ > From: Patrick Fiega > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > Read, > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her go. > > > Wheee Dogggie > > >________________________________ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Thank you for your comments > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and performance. > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great liveaboard. > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast the baots. > > Regards > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > >________________________________ > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on earth". > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, so you'll be set. > > > > >________________________________ > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris H- > > Thank you for your posts > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo racing is possible. > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 or 40 in it. > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very lmited as far as interest? > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San Juan Islands.? > > For the short term: > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > >________________________________ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü since the name is so long. > > Cheers > Charlie > Annapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > End of story till spring. > > -- > /ch > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Read Howarth wrote: > > Do the 40s have balsa core decks? They are plywood. Balsa core came along later. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > > From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:44:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Read, > > I personally have not seen a problem with the decks. Considering > the way everything was bedded down over the last 40 years, I really > should have deck problems...but I do not. I am currently pulling > everything up off the decks, painting, epoxying and rebedding. > > Patrick > > From: Read <rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:31:37 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > > Thanks > > > the infamous mast step > > > > This is just the kind of information I was looking for. > > What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a > recore? > > > Read > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > > > Read, > > > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat > that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board > about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. > There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step > and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a > number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not > stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most > Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that > is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it > replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can > have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 > stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to > pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a > month). > > > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and > holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous > ways. > > > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: "rshowarth@. .." rshowarth@.. . > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Patrick > > > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > > > What engine did it come with? > > > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > > > What equipment should you look for? > > > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an > article on this? > > > > > > Read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > 305 Kenwood Drive > > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > > 856-857-4140 > > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Patrick Fiega > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > Read, > > > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love > the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I > have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very > forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the > Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the > wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. > Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If > you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her > go. > > > > > > Wheee Dogggie > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Thank you for your comments > > > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at > SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and > performance. > > > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great > liveaboard. > > > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version > like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? > Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast > the baots. > > > > Regards > > > > Read > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We > cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. > I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and > get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat > partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San > Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each > and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on > earth". > > > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, > so you'll be set. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Chris H- > > > > Thank you for your posts > > > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have > Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo > racing is possible. > > > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 > or 40 in it. > > > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very > lmited as far as interest? > > > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to > recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would > want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San > Juan Islands.? > > > > For the short term: > > > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of > club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less > initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of > Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü > since the name is so long. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou > ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I > retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals > downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer > organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line > discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little > darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those > ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the > fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother > tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with > svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough > pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to > a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in > English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck > charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this > little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > > > End of story till spring. > > > > -- > > /ch > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Read S. Howarth 305 Kenwood Drive Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 856-857-4140 rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:27:53 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Read Howarth wrote: > > Do the 40s have balsa core decks? They are plywood. Balsa core came along later. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > > From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:44:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Read, > > I personally have not seen a problem with the decks. Considering > the way everything was bedded down over the last 40 years, I really > should have deck problems...but I do not. I am currently pulling > everything up off the decks, painting, epoxying and rebedding. > > Patrick > > From: Read <rshowarth@yahoo. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:31:37 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Patrick > > > Thanks > > > the infamous mast step > > > > This is just the kind of information I was looking for. > > What about the decks? Do they have a Balsa core? Usually need a > recore? > > > Read > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Patrick Fiega <pfiega@...> wrote: > > > > Read, > > > > I am unsure of the original engine configuration as I have a boat > that was repowered in 1996 with a 50 hp Yanmar. I have been on board > about 6 other Cal 40's and the configuration was all very similar. > There were not many changes but a few minor ones. > > > > The big issues that I have encountered is the infamous mast step > and some weak bulkheads. The boat that I have was neglected for a > number of years which caused some woodwork issues but that does not > stop me from sailing. The mast step was made of steel and in most > Cal 40's (and other Cal's also) it has rusted out to the point that > is making me very nervous. I will not sail this boat again until it > replaced, making this my very next project. I have found that I can > have the mast step made in steel for about 1600.00 and in 316 > stainless for about 2,600.00. It will take me about two weeks to > pull and replace it (In boat time that means it will take at least a > month). > > > > The only other issues that I can see is fresh water storage and > holding tank size. All of these issues can be dealt with in numerous > ways. > > > > Let me know if you have anyother questions. > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: "rshowarth@. .." rshowarth@.. . > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:22:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Patrick > > > > Thanks for the reply. Now that is an endorsement! > > > > Did the Cal 40 come in different cabin configurations? > > > > If so, which one is more desireable? > > > > What engine did it come with? > > > > What should the engine be replaced with? > > > > What equipment should you look for? > > > > What weaknesses should you look for in a survey. > > > > What structural problems should you look for? > > > > > > Sorry, looking for everything at once. Did any magazine write an > article on this? > > > > > > Read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > 305 Kenwood Drive > > Moorestown, New Jersey 08057 > > 856-857-4140 > > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >________________________________ > > From: Patrick Fiega > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > Read, > > > > You just can't beat the Cal 40. I purchased mine and fell in love > the first time the sails went up. It sails better then any boat I > have ever been on. The ease of sailing is almost unbelievable, very > forgiving and yet fast. I am sailing when most of my friends in the > Galveston Bay area are motoring due to lack of wind yet when the > wind is ripping it is a great ride. > > > > I live aboard my Cal40 and find it to be a very comfortable life. > Have had other boats before this one and really enjoy the layout. If > you can find one, I recommend you latch on to her and never let her > go. > > > > > > Wheee Dogggie > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Thank you for your comments > > > > Wet never bothered me, especially if the air temperature is at > SoCal temps. Now I just need a Cal 20 with trailer at Chris H's level. > > > > So far it seems to me the Cal 40 is the king for size and > performance. > > > > The Cal 46 looks extremely comfortable and would make a great > liveaboard. > > > > The Cal 36, do I have this right?, comes in a cruising version > like a smaller Cal 46 and a racing/cruising version like a small 40? > Or is it a Cal 35 that is a smaller Cal 40? > > > > I need someone with an excel spreadsheet top compare and contrast > the baots. > > > > Regards > > > > Read > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:14:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > The only wetter boat I've sailed than a Cal 20 was a Capri 14. We > cruise our little boat to Catalina all the time; weather allowing. > I'm sure with a "real" cruising boat, that trip would be a snap and > get tiresome - but then we have lots of other islands too; my boat > partner has been wanting to try a nice voyage visiting Catalina, San > Clemente, and then San Nicolas islands, dropping the hook at each > and enjoying what some have called "the most beautiful place on > earth". > > > > Get a Cal 20, they're way cooler than Harbor 20s! > > Of course, if you end up with a Cal 40, that's like the ultimate, > so you'll be set. > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Read Howarth rshowarth@yahoo. com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:25:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Chris H- > > > > Thank you for your posts > > > > I sail a Mariner here in New Jersey. > > > > I may be moving to the Los Angeles area. > > > > I have been interested in Harbor 20s as a replacement as they have > Fleets in the area and do not race with Spinnakers. Also, solo > racing is possible. > > > > I have joined this site because I feel my future may have a Cal 36 > or 40 in it. > > > > Is it true that cruising areas in Southern California is very > lmited as far as interest? > > > > I am told that other than Catalina Island there is little to > recommend the local weekend cruising grounds. Sounds like I would > want to live aboard a cruising boat in LA or keep one near the San > Juan Islands.? > > > > For the short term: > > > > However, I can see a Cal 20 would likely provide me the fun of > club racing I so much enjoy now with my Mariner, and at much less > initial cost since the Harbor 20s are relatively new. > > > > Are the Cal 20s dry sailed? > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:45:25 AM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > > > > Chris, One of my CAL 25s is named Fahrvergnügen ("The Pleasure of > Driving" from the old Volks ads). My mainsail cover logo is indeed Ü > since the name is so long. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou > ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris h > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:21 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL-20 > > > > On Monday 09 February 2009 18:07:59 Chris h wrote: > > > > Last issue on this boat and then she's been put to bed till I > retrieve her in the spring. Everything has been sorted. Manuals > downloaded (amazingly detailed), supplier lists collected, trailer > organized, joined cal-20 forums on cal20.com, etc etc. > > > > The last issue was coming up with a name. In an off line > discussion with Chris C, we were both commenting on what little > darlings these boats were, things of beauty. So I played with those > ideas came up with nothing that was not too corny for me or the > fellow who will propably end up with this boat. > > > > So looked at a German English dictionary as German is my mother > tongue (haven't had a chance to use it in years) and came up with > svGluckspilz with two dots over the "u" While its a tough > pronunciation in English, it captures my sentiments on this boat to > a tee. A Gluckspiltz is a lucky mushroom kinda like a shamrock in > English, as a literal translation. In slang, it means a good luck > charm and/or lucky bugger. I guess I got really lucky with this > little gem. Denaming and naming ceremonies can be such fun..:) > > > > End of story till spring. > > > > -- > > /ch > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Michael Kennedy wrote: > On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Read Howarth wrote: > > >> Do the 40s have balsa core decks? >> > > They are plywood. Balsa core came along later. > > My other boat, built in the Netherlands in 1961, has balsa cored decks, so the technology was available. Plywood was less expensive, a bit heavier, but serviceable if you keep the water out. Chris Campbell

Why not state the Cal 40 raised deck "White Squall" has a Cal 28 Flat-top, rather than a Cal 25? After all, the Cal 28 was the proto-type for the Cal 40 spade rudder, according to a Lapworth interview that appeared in Sailjazz. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Hey! The Cal 40 is the yacht that changed boat design. There is something magic about "Grandpa's Sled", sorta like Shelby Cobras. Compared to modern designs they are antiquated and "slow" but the heart beats faster in many when one is spotted. Of the approximately 130 produced, the reputation is phenomenal, and still building. Cal 40's are fairly austere, with racing bunks, and perform with a solid, safe confidence. Because it was built with no ribs in the hull, the sole is many inches lower than modern yachts. This keeps the cabin top low, with relatively low freeboard making it a "low-rider", a very pleasing to the eye graceful lady of the sea. Really there is only one Cal 40 model, with some factory variants. There were a few with bow sprits, one (reported) ketch, some with different ports (Wings), one with a Cal 25 Flat-top (White Squall), and then there was the Cal 37, a Cal 40 with the ass end lopped off, probably a plug in the mold. The "Standard Engine" was a Gray Marine gas engine, but it is reported that some diesels were also installed. Cal 39's are rated faster, and maybe sail faster, but really did not gain the mystery of the 40. They are much nicer layouts, favoring living on the boat and cruising. 39's are complete and modern. The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer. 46's can kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. The "ultimate" (fastest-best cruiser) Cal is probably the Cal 48... with great speed, and massive interior cruising space. So very few of these were made, which is a shame... I have not seen one in person. Humbly submitted, dEmO Cal 40 #94 California Girl Cal 9.2 #66 Freewind Cal 20 #871? Culo Bagnato ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: chris123@magma. ca Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

The Cal 40 raised deck "White Squall" has a Cal 28 Flat-top whose spade rudder was the prototype for the Cal 40 line. now that's fixed! :-) Actually I am not familiar with most Cal models, and am aware of the C20 flat top as I have one, and the C25 Flat top, as Charlie has a number of them. mea culpa - as my Cal learning process continues. As before, Humbly submitted. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Why not state the Cal 40 raised deck "White Squall" has a Cal 28 Flat-top, rather than a Cal 25? After all, the Cal 28 was the proto-type for the Cal 40 spade rudder, according to a Lapworth interview that appeared in Sailjazz. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Hey! The Cal 40 is the yacht that changed boat design. There is something magic about "Grandpa's Sled", sorta like Shelby Cobras. Compared to modern designs they are antiquated and "slow" but the heart beats faster in many when one is spotted. Of the approximately 130 produced, the reputation is phenomenal, and still building. Cal 40's are fairly austere, with racing bunks, and perform with a solid, safe confidence. Because it was built with no ribs in the hull, the sole is many inches lower than modern yachts. This keeps the cabin top low, with relatively low freeboard making it a "low-rider", a very pleasing to the eye graceful lady of the sea. Really there is only one Cal 40 model, with some factory variants. There were a few with bow sprits, one (reported) ketch, some with different ports (Wings), one with a Cal 25 Flat-top (White Squall), and then there was the Cal 37, a Cal 40 with the ass end lopped off, probably a plug in the mold. The "Standard Engine" was a Gray Marine gas engine, but it is reported that some diesels were also installed. Cal 39's are rated faster, and maybe sail faster, but really did not gain the mystery of the 40. They are much nicer layouts, favoring living on the boat and cruising. 39's are complete and modern. The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer. 46's can kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. The "ultimate" (fastest-best cruiser) Cal is probably the Cal 48... with great speed, and massive interior cruising space. So very few of these were made, which is a shame... I have not seen one in person. Humbly submitted, dEmO Cal 40 #94 California Girl Cal 9.2 #66 Freewind Cal 20 #871? Culo Bagnato From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://ps.com> From: chris123@magma. ca Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote: > If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came > in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. Reggie So in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > > > mea culpa - as my Cal learning process continues. > > As before, Humbly submitted. > > dEmO Hey, isn't this the grand thing about sailing? It makes us all humble. Not fawning or obsequious, but genuinely aware of our own shortcomings. There's that big storm that let us know how powerless we are, or the winch handle or clevis pin that hopped overboard, or the anchor that dragged. These are things that I've read about, mind you, and certainly not the kind of things that made me humble (I'm not going to admit what those are). And every time I puff myself up with all the knowledge I've gained and figure that I'm the greatest gift to sailing, I encounter somebody else with vastly more knowledge who makes me wish I hadn't gone shooting off my mouth. We can go on learning forever, which makes it an interesting undertaking. Chris Campbell > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **

The T/2 has a flat top foredeck. significantly different than the foredeck of the 27 poptop. The T/2 looks like a flat top 28 with a pilothouse. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ti… [at] ch2m.comDate: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:14:07 -0700Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 The Cal 40 raised deck "White Squall" has a Cal 28 Flat-top whose spade rudder was the prototype for the Cal 40 line. now that's fixed! :-) Actually I am not familiar with most Cal models, and am aware of the C20 flat top as I have one, and the C25 Flat top, as Charlie has a number of them. mea culpa - as my Cal learning process continues. As before, Humbly submitted. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce StirlingSent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:02 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Why not state the Cal 40 raised deck "White Squall" has a Cal 28 Flat-top, rather than a Cal 25? After all, the Cal 28 was the proto-type for the Cal 40 spade rudder, according to a Lapworth interview that appeared in Sailjazz. -----Original Message-----From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:24 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Hey! The Cal 40 is the yacht that changed boat design. There is something magic about "Grandpa's Sled", sorta like Shelby Cobras. Compared to modern designs they are antiquated and "slow" but the heart beats faster in many when one is spotted. Of the approximately 130 produced, the reputation is phenomenal, and still building. Cal 40's are fairly austere, with racing bunks, and perform with a solid, safe confidence. Because it was built with no ribs in the hull, the sole is many inches lower than modern yachts. This keeps the cabin top low, with relatively low freeboard making it a "low-rider", a very pleasing to the eye graceful lady of the sea. Really there is only one Cal 40 model, with some factory variants. There were a few with bow sprits, one (reported) ketch, some with different ports (Wings), one with a Cal 25 Flat-top (White Squall), and then there was the Cal 37, a Cal 40 with the ass end lopped off, probably a plug in the mold. The "Standard Engine" was a Gray Marine gas engine, but it is reported that some diesels were also installed. Cal 39's are rated faster, and maybe sail faster, but really did not gain the mystery of the 40. They are much nicer layouts, favoring living on the boat and cruising. 39's are complete and modern. The Cal 46, is a "tubby" pilothouse cruiser, stealth racer. 46's can kick the Cal 40's butt in a downwind race, they suffer upwind and light air. But wow, what a cruising platform. Massive amenities and space that are not found on almost any modern yacht. My favorite is the original Cruising Cal 46, the mark 2 & 3 are lovely, but the original has the layout that makes the most sense to me. The "ultimate" (fastest-best cruiser) Cal is probably the Cal 48... with great speed, and massive interior cruising space. So very few of these were made, which is a shame... I have not seen one in person. Humbly submitted, dEmO Cal 40 #94 California Girl Cal 9.2 #66 Freewind Cal 20 #871? Culo Bagnato From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick FiegaSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:49 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Very good information.... I have never seen a Cal 39 but would be interested in seeing some information and photo's...Any Cal 39 owners out there? I think we need some Cal 39 shouts... From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com>To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:26:50 PMSubject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) from ratings I've seen, the 39-1 and 40 were neck and neck. ratings of around 115. The 36 is significantly slower, 155 range. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.comFrom: chris123@magma. caDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:51:55 -0500Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:46:16 r good wrote:> If I recall correctly, the 40 is 39'4" and the 39 is 39' 8". the 39 came> in several versions, later models haveing mor cruising amenities. ReggieSo in terms of performance how does she fit in with the 40 and 36 both of which are rather amazing vessels. -- /ch

Mike- Do you have a web site for them? "You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club" Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:36:45 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@. ..> wrote: > > mark > > Thanks > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic stories. > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as long as the fleet is very active. > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > Read > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@.. . You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program using Cal 20s that are club owned. Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least as convenient as Marina Del Rey. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Mike- Never mind Google got it. For some reason my search on copernic did not find them. Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:29:21 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Mike- Do you have a web site for them? "You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club" Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@cox. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:36:45 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@. ..> wrote: > > mark > > Thanks > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic stories. > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as long as the fleet is very active. > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > Read > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@.. . You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program using Cal 20s that are club owned. Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least as convenient as Marina Del Rey. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

On Feb 14, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Read Howarth wrote: > > Mike- > > Do you have a web site for them? Here is California Yacht Marina which is in Wilmington, in the back part of the harbor http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/California.Yacht.Marina.310-834-7916 Cabrillo Marina is where my boat is: http://www.tripsailor.com/pois/6360461-marina-cabrillo-marina-a-california-yacht-marina The yacht Club is here: http://www.layc.org/tp42/Default.asp?ID=126715 The marinas don't have very good web sites but there are maps so you can find them. I think slips are opening up now because of economic problems. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > "You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club" > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > > From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:36:45 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@. ..> > wrote: > > > > mark > > > > Thanks > > > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not > sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and > Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic > stories. > > > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as > long as the fleet is very active. > > > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > > > Read > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@.. . > > You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be > involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week > and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of > about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can > be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not > as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program > using Cal 20s that are club owned. > > Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least > as convenient as Marina Del Rey. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > >

Read: The MECCA for Cal 20 racing is ABYC. Very very competitive, and very large fleet. LAYC is great, and the new marina will be nice, but the real racing for Cal 20's is another few joes south. And yes, the traffic in LA really is that bad. Mike Kennedy Jr. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@...> wrote: > > Mike- > > Never mind Google got it. > > For some reason my search on copernic did not find them. > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:29:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Mike- > > Do you have a web site for them? > > "You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club" > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@cox. net> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:36:45 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@ ..> wrote: > > > > mark > > > > Thanks > > > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not > sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and > Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic > stories. > > > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as > long as the fleet is very active. > > > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > > > Read > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@ . > > You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be > involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week > and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of > about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can > be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not > as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program > using Cal 20s that are club owned. > > Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least > as convenient as Marina Del Rey. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

Mike- Thanks for the follow up. If I have the time to make the trip further south, Alamitos looks like the place for Cal 20 racing. LAYC certainly looks nice, but I do not see much about Cal 20s or small one design racing on their site. I get the feeling larger boats may be more at home there. Well I will have to get the lay of the land when I relocate. I feel I can start by offerinig myself as crew at a number of clubs first. Again, Thank you, Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: michaelkennedy05 <mi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:20:22 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) Read: The MECCA for Cal 20 racing is ABYC. Very very competitive, and very large fleet. LAYC is great, and the new marina will be nice, but the real racing for Cal 20's is another few joes south. And yes, the traffic in LA really is that bad. Mike Kennedy Jr. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@. ..> wrote: > > Mike- > > Never mind Google got it. > > For some reason my search on copernic did not find them. > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@.. . > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@. ..> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:29:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > Mike- > > Do you have a web site for them? > > "You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club" > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@ cox. net> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:36:45 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL-20 Name (Chris H) > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@ ..> wrote: > > > > mark > > > > Thanks > > > > I may be living just north of LA and working in Culver City so not > sure what makes sense for a yacht club or marina yet. > > > > I can see where the significant fleeets are for the Cal 20s and > Harbor 20s, Also everyone scares the H out of me with their traffic > stories. > > > > Obviously for weekday bneeer can racing , the closer the better, as > long as the fleet is very active. > > > > For docking or mooring a cruising boat. affordable is better. > > > > Read > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@ . > > You might think about LA Harbor and LA Yacht Club. The club will be > involved in the new marina that has broken ground (water?) this week > and will open in 2011. The club will have about 170 slips, out of > about 600 new ones. The club also has moorings at the island that can > be reserved in summer and there is a nice racing program, albeit not > as active as when I joined in 1977. There is a small junior program > using Cal 20s that are club owned. > > Access to the harbor is down the Harbor ( 110) freeway and is at least > as convenient as Marina Del Rey. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Read Howarth <rshowarth@...> wrote: > > Mike- > > Thanks for the follow up. > > If I have the time to make the trip further south, Alamitos looks like the place for Cal 20 racing. > > LAYC certainly looks nice, but I do not see much about Cal 20s or small one design racing on their site. I get the feeling larger boats may be more at home there. > > Well I will have to get the lay of the land when I relocate. > > I feel I can start by offerinig myself as crew at a number of clubs first. Alamitos Bay is much more into small boat racing than the other clubs. LAYC right now is pretty much cruising as they had to move out of the old facility about 10 years ago when the port took it over. They had been there 100 years until then. When the new marina is built in about two years, the club will gets its launch facilities and dry storage back. Then there should be a return of small boat racing. Mike Kennedy Sr Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Again, > > Thank you, > > Read > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@...