Re:CAL 39, was: New file uploaded to Cal_Boats

Chris C., the first CAL 39 model was a COMPLETELY different boat from the CAL 40 (or even the later 39s). There were a few CAL 37s that were built as I understand by plugging part of the CAL 40 mold, but the 39 was a totally new Lapworth Design, with a keel more like the CAL 27 (pop-top), T/2 and T/4 than the "typical" CAL underbody. My Parents have just finished reading "SLOOP", as has one of my sailing friends, I hope to find time to read it soon! It is even more interesting to those of us in this area since all the places mentioned are close to home! I went to college only a mile or less from the saw mill in Dartmouth, MA where he bought some of his wood, regularly drive by the Falmouth lumber yard, and often visit (by car) Quissett Harbor. Another good book (at least for me..) is "Logs of the Dead Pirates Society" by Randall Peffer. It is a series of stories that take place on a small (55') schooner doing oceanography classes for students on Buzzards Bay. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'Day DS II former co-owner of"NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 Find the perfect flag pole to display your most cherished flag. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1vt3jLTwG3zLh3KZ9X7JRMRAVqD74hvMtWpGPrzezlNAprw/

Rodney G Johnson wrote: > > > My Parents have just finished reading "SLOOP", as has one of my > sailing friends, I hope to find time to read it soon! It is even more > interesting to those of us in this area since all the places mentioned > are close to home! I went to college only a mile or less from the saw > mill in Dartmouth, MA where he bought some of his wood, regularly > drive by the Falmouth lumber yard, and often visit (by car) Quissett > Harbor. The book made me jealous of having attractive sailing waters (and of having ample time to mess around in boats instead of working for a living). Now I don't mean to disparage my own area, which is lovely, but the opportunities for short-range picturesque cruising are more limited here--less topography. And I shouldn't disparage my job, which pays the sailing bills, but it would be nicer to be able to spend summer months toiling over a boat project than sitting in a dull office every day. I could smell the fresh breeze and hear the marine sounds and feel the boat heel and accelerate. Good book. Chris Campbell >

On Friday 13 February 2009 12:29:47 Chris Campbell wrote: > And I shouldn't disparage my job, which > pays the sailing bills, but it would be nicer to be able to spend summer > months toiling over a boat project than sitting in a dull office every > day. I could smell the fresh breeze and hear the marine sounds and feel > the boat heel and accelerate. Good book. Isnt that's what good literature is supposed to do? Spur us on? You sail out of Traverse Bay no. The one and only time I sailed in that area with my nephew in law (greenest skipper I ever met) on a rented Beneteau 32 and almost got killed, it was the scenary that kept my spirits up. Charleviox was particularly interesting, and the further north we wandered (never did make it to Mackinaw) the countryside reminded me of northern Ontario, which actually is just across the border. I completely agree with you that the sailing season unfortunately is far to short up hear. We launch in May most years and haulout by Oct 15. That gives you realistically a 5 month season at the best of times. Not bad but to short if you consider that wind and temp reduce the number of days you can actually be on the water. To get around this problem I just visited the old boat on its mooring as often as I could and on several evenings when conditions were poor, just chilled out, brought along the mp3 player, made some Turkish coffee with Halva and Dates and just watched the sun go down. Learned this combo in the mid east where I worked for a while. Pending on how strong you make the coffee and if you add cardamon or not, its got quite the kick to it. In fact, I now start every sailing day with a small demi cup and then I'm good to go. Eyes wide open to say the least..:) Best -- /ch

Chris h wrote: > > > > Isnt that's what good literature is supposed to do? Spur us on? > Absolutely. This was a book I had trouble putting down. The author has the best sense of place and atmosphere, or at least he evoked the kind of atmosphere that I like. > > > You sail out of Traverse Bay no. The one and only time I sailed in > that area > with my nephew in law (greenest skipper I ever met) on a rented > Beneteau 32 > and almost got killed, it was the scenary that kept my spirits up. > Charleviox > was particularly interesting, and the further north we wandered (never > did > make it to Mackinaw) the countryside reminded me of northern Ontario, > which > actually is just across the border. > We are pretty here, but if you sail north and turn right to go under the Mackinaw Bridge, you're on the way to the North Channel, which owes nothing to any place in terms of absolute gorgeousness and steal-your-heart memories. It's just concentrated heaven. > > > I completely agree with you that the sailing season unfortunately is > far to > short up hear. We launch in May most years and haulout by Oct 15. That > gives > you realistically a 5 month season at the best of times. > That's my season for the marina-stored boat. but the Cal 20 lies on a mooring, and it can start getting hairy out there in late Sept. so I haul it them. Besides, the days get so short that I can't go sailing after work. Malcom Gladwell's book, _Outliers_, argues that our school calendar with its extended summer vacation is a cultural artifact that's harmful to substantial learning, but I wish our whole society got summer vacations. The worst part of being an adult is having to work all summer. We northerners have a special affection for the sweet season of summer because it is so wonderful and so short. Somebody on the radio last night discussed New Orleans and how that society is not organized around time and money like the rest of the country. It's about time for friends, and enjoying the moment. Makes sense to me, but please note that I still show up at work every day. It's a nasty habit but hard to break. Chris Campbell > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Rodney G Johnson <rjohnson24@...> wrote: > > Chris C., the first CAL 39 model was a COMPLETELY different boat from the > CAL 40 (or even the later 39s). There were a few CAL 37s that were built > as I understand by plugging part of the CAL 40 mold, but the 39 was a > totally new Lapworth Design, with a keel more like the CAL 27 (pop-top), > T/2 and T/4 than the "typical" CAL underbody. There are three versions of the 40, four if you count the one flat top that was built for himself by Willis Boyd and named "Rocking Chair." There is the original 40 that was actually designed to be 39 feet long but Jack Jensen wanted it to 40 for marketing purposes. A few of the 40s that were shipped to the east coast (I think they are all east coast boats) were later modified. I think Thunderbird was the first one. Derecktor's yard modified them. Roger Fortin told me that they actually did it wrong and only took off 18 inches leaving a reverse transom. They had asked Lapworth and he designed the changes. I think the idea was to improve light air performance and reduce pitching in choppy water.Here is one of them out of the water in Virginia. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/554310897/ Note the boomkin and reverse transom. You might also note that the prop is in an aperture in the keel. This mod put the engine in the cabin forward and involved a modified drive. Note also that it has a trim tab on the keel. These were quickly outlawed. The west coast 37 had the mold plugged and was 3 feet shorter. It had no lazarette. The stern was just aft of the cockpit. It had a plumb transom. Most of them had bowsprits but no boomkin. Here is one that has been restored: http://www.fastisfun.com/listings/cal37/Cal37photos.html I understand it burned from a dehumidifier malfunction. I don't know how bad the damage was. Note the plumb transom. The Cal 39 was an entirely different boat with a IOR design. Anyway, that's the story as I understand it. Fin might have more comments. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Hay Chris, give the Cal groupe the streight skinney on Northern Lower Michigan life style and being a Lawyer why I WENT FISHING< I WENT HUNTING, I WAS BUSY AT THE SMELT RUN, are all valad excuses to miss a court date except for capital cases and these may be postponed if the judge is comited to one of the above activities!! From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:CAL 39, was: New file uploaded to Cal_Boats Rodney G Johnson wrote: My Parents have just finished reading "SLOOP", as has one of my sailing friends, I hope to find time to read it soon! It is even more interesting to those of us in this area since all the places mentioned are close to home! I went to college only a mile or less from the saw mill in Dartmouth, MA where he bought some of his wood, regularly drive by the Falmouth lumber yard, and often visit (by car) Quissett Harbor. The book made me jealous of having attractive sailing waters (and of having ample time to mess around in boats instead of working for a living).? Now I don't mean to disparage my own area, which is lovely, but the opportunities for short-range picturesque cruising are more limited here--less topography.? And I shouldn't disparage my job, which pays the sailing bills, but it would be nicer to be able to spend summer months toiling over a boat project than sitting in a dull office every day.? I could smell the fresh breeze and hear the marine sounds and feel the boat heel and accelerate.? Good book. Chris Campbell ?

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Rodney G Johnson <rjohnson24@...> wrote: > > > > Chris C., the first CAL 39 model was a COMPLETELY different boat > from the > > CAL 40 (or even the later 39s). There were a few CAL 37s that were built > > as I understand by plugging part of the CAL 40 mold, but the 39 was a > > totally new Lapworth Design, with a keel more like the CAL 27 (pop-top), > > T/2 and T/4 than the "typical" CAL underbody. > > There are three versions of the 40, four if you count the one flat top > that was built for himself by Willis Boyd and named "Rocking Chair." > There is the original 40 that was actually designed to be 39 feet long > but Jack Jensen wanted it to 40 for marketing purposes. A few of the > 40s that were shipped to the east coast (I think they are all east > coast boats) were later modified. I think Thunderbird was the first > one. Derecktor's yard modified them. Roger Fortin told me that they > actually did it wrong and only took off 18 inches leaving a reverse > transom. They had asked Lapworth and he designed the changes. I think > the idea was to improve light air performance and reduce pitching in > choppy water.Here is one of them out of the water in Virginia. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/554310897/ > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/554310897/> > /Spyke,/ the local boat, has a much nicer boomkin--a more substantial welded stainless device, going from memory now. The harbor is iced up so I can't get in there in the kayak. Maybe I'll drive over and walk around. I haven't seen /Spyke/ hauled because she's bubbled and doesn't spend much time out of the water. The boat's is good shape. I'll try to snap a photo to post. Chris Campbell > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

mo… [at] aol.com wrote: > > Hay Chris, give the Cal groupe the streight skinney on Northern Lower > Michigan life style and being a Lawyer why I WENT FISHING< I WENT > HUNTING, I WAS BUSY AT THE SMELT RUN, are all valad excuses > Geez, I haven't seen a smelt run in years. They got into the Great Lakes just south of here at Crystal Lake--accidental release, and they spread all over the lakes. When I was a little kid, the next-door neighbor had a cottage on Saginaw Bay and dipped smelt each year. It was a big deal and one night my dad woke me up so we could go out with Karl for the smelt run. Of course, none showed up that night, but for a little kid it was all exciting anyway. Karl was a lawyer and a former judge, a guy who knew enough to take the time to wander along the shoreline on a good afternoon and gather driftwood to cut up for his wood furnace, or to get out there when the smelt were running (or supposed to be). He'd come home in the afternoon in his old Plymouth station wagon, load the dog in the car, and drive out to the cottage. He was a genuine character and eventually I figured out that it's the characters that we remember and the others that we forget, so who did I want to be like? Chris Campbell > >

On Friday 13 February 2009 13:27:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > We are pretty here, but if you sail north and turn right to go under the > Mackinaw Bridge, you're on the way to the North Channel, which owes > nothing to any place in terms of absolute gorgeousness and > steal-your-heart memories. It's just concentrated heaven. Shhh...people will discover it..:) If you venture further you should also check out the 30 Thousand Islands Region around Parry Sound. Its perfect CAL 20 water, bring at least 2 anchors and an hard dingy if you can. The rocks are dam sharp. Endless coves, endless Islands, endless little bays with 8 ft wide entrances but plenty deep. GPS and depth sounder are not to be omitted. Zoom in and out of this link and you see what I mean. Amazing small boat water and a kayaker's paradise. Just watch out for the rattlesnakes. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Midland+ON&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.240201,68.291016&ie=UTF8&ll=45.0997,-80.069733&spn=0.338311,0.533524&t=h&z=11 <Snipped all good stuff for brevity and full agreement> > Makes sense to me, but please note > that I still show up at work every day. It's a nasty habit but hard to > break. You have my complete respect. -- /ch

Chris h wrote: > > On Friday 13 February 2009 13:27:45 Chris Campbell wrote: > > > We are pretty here, but if you sail north and turn right to go under the > > Mackinaw Bridge, you're on the way to the North Channel, which owes > > nothing to any place in terms of absolute gorgeousness and > > steal-your-heart memories. It's just concentrated heaven. > > Shhh...people will discover it..:) > > If you venture further you should also check out the 30 Thousand Islands > Region around Parry Sound. Its perfect CAL 20 water, bring at least 2 > anchors > and an hard dingy if you can. The rocks are dam sharp. Endless coves, > endless > Islands, endless little bays with 8 ft wide entrances but plenty deep. > GPS > and depth sounder are not to be omitted. > > Zoom in and out of this link and you see what I mean. Amazing small > boat water > and a kayaker's paradise. Just watch out for the rattlesnakes. > I did sail out of Penetanguishene on the schooner a few years ago. I bought a memoir by a woman who lived in the islands with her husband in the 20s as caretakers--a remote and isolated world in the winter. Lots of interesting stories. One of the great good fortunes of my life is living among the Great Lakes. Chris Campbell > > > <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Midland+ON&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.240201,68.291016&ie=UTF8&ll=45.0997,-80.069733&spn=0.338311,0.533524&t=h&z=11> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Rodney G Johnson <rjohnson24@> wrote: > > > snipped > > > /Spyke,/ the local boat, has a much nicer boomkin--a more substantial > welded stainless device, going from memory now. The harbor is iced up > so I can't get in there in the kayak. Maybe I'll drive over and walk > around. I haven't seen /Spyke/ hauled because she's bubbled and doesn't > spend much time out of the water. The boat's is good shape. I'll try > to snap a photo to post. I'd like a photo as I don't have one for the book, which one day soon will appear at Giantkillercal40.com. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mooserent7447@... wrote: > > > > Hay Chris, give the Cal groupe the streight skinney on Northern Lower > > Michigan life style and being a Lawyer why I WENT FISHING< I WENT > > HUNTING, I WAS BUSY AT THE SMELT RUN, are all valad excuses > > > > > > > > Geez, I haven't seen a smelt run in years. I didn't even know they had legs. Sorry, Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Well my nose runs and smelt yesterday... so maybe it's inversely possible? dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re:CAL 39, was: New file uploaded to Cal_Boats --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mooserent7447@... wrote: > > > > Hay Chris, give the Cal groupe the streight skinney on Northern Lower > > Michigan life style and being a Lawyer why I WENT FISHING< I WENT > > HUNTING, I WAS BUSY AT THE SMELT RUN, are all valad excuses > > > > > > > > Geez, I haven't seen a smelt run in years. I didn't even know they had legs. Sorry, Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Rodney G Johnson <rjohnson24@> wrote: > > > > > snipped > > > > > > > /Spyke,/ the local boat, has a much nicer boomkin--a more substantial > > welded stainless device, going from memory now. The harbor is iced up > > so I can't get in there in the kayak. Maybe I'll drive over and walk > > around. I haven't seen /Spyke/ hauled because she's bubbled and > doesn't > > spend much time out of the water. The boat's is good shape. I'll try > > to snap a photo to post. > > I'd like a photo as I don't have one for the book, which one day soon > will appear at Giantkillercal40.com. > As she left, my secretary reminded me that we have Monday off. I'll try to get over there and see if I can get a good photo. Chris Campbell > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > > > mooserent7447@... wrote: > > > > > > Hay Chris, give the Cal groupe the streight skinney on Northern Lower > > > Michigan life style and being a Lawyer why I WENT FISHING< I WENT > > > HUNTING, I WAS BUSY AT THE SMELT RUN, are all valad excuses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geez, I haven't seen a smelt run in years. > > I didn't even know they had legs. > We midwesterners develop a certain immunity to California humor. Chris > >

Chris, You have it right, we northern folks have a real defined idea about the seasons. We actually have them, and have to plan our lives around them. We have to adjust to the weather conditions. It gives you a different perspective. I spent the last 2 days trimming my 2 apple trees; Feb is the month to do that, before the sap starts rising. Almost all our snow has melted, but we should get a couple inches tonight, not enough to be able to xc ski, just enough to run the snow blower. The Cal has a tarp, checked it last week, it's okay, spent some time with the boatyard guys trading gossip, other owners drift in and out and trade stories. Makes you realize that you are part of a very small sub-culture. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:CAL 39, was: New file uploaded to Cal_Boats To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 12:27 PM Chris h wrote: Isnt that's what good literature is supposed to do? Spur us on? Absolutely. This was a book I had trouble putting down. The author has the best sense of place and atmosphere, or at least he evoked the kind of atmosphere that I like. You sail out of Traverse Bay no. The one and only time I sailed in that area with my nephew in law (greenest skipper I ever met) on a rented Beneteau 32 and almost got killed, it was the scenary that kept my spirits up. Charleviox was particularly interesting, and the further north we wandered (never did make it to Mackinaw) the countryside reminded me of northern Ontario, which actually is just across the border. We are pretty here, but if you sail north and turn right to go under the Mackinaw Bridge, you're on the way to the North Channel, which owes nothing to any place in terms of absolute gorgeousness and steal-your-heart memories.. It's just concentrated heaven. I completely agree with you that the sailing season unfortunately is far to short up hear. We launch in May most years and haulout by Oct 15. That gives you realistically a 5 month season at the best of times. That's my season for the marina-stored boat. but the Cal 20 lies on a mooring, and it can start getting hairy out there in late Sept. so I haul it them. Besides, the days get so short that I can't go sailing after work. Malcom Gladwell's book, Outliers, argues that our school calendar with its extended summer vacation is a cultural artifact that's harmful to substantial learning, but I wish our whole society got summer vacations. The worst part of being an adult is having to work all summer. We northerners have a special affection for the sweet season of summer because it is so wonderful and so short. Somebody on the radio last night discussed New Orleans and how that society is not organized around time and money like the rest of the country. It's about time for friends, and enjoying the moment. Makes sense to me, but please note that I still show up at work every day. It's a nasty habit but hard to break. Chris Campbell

Timm, The smelt were introduced in the Great lakes by some moron, they loved it reproduced like crazy, and fishermen caught them, etc. Then come the alewives, herring type fish which choose to die during June and July in great numbers on our beaches. Nasty. Okay, the DNR folks get a bright idea to put salmon in the lakes to eat the alewives. Bingo, now we have a sportfishing industry catching salmon. Well, the salmon do a real good job, and now we have no more smelt, no more alewives, and the salmon are looking for food. When we mess with Mother Nature we never know what we'll get. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Fri, 2/13/09, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re:CAL 39, was: New file uploaded to Cal_Boats To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:01 PM Well my nose runs and smelt yesterday... so maybe it's inversely possible? dEmO From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:59 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re:CAL 39, was: New file uploaded to Cal_Boats --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@ ...> wrote: > > mooserent7447@ ... wrote: > > > > Hay Chris, give the Cal groupe the streight skinney on Northern Lower > > Michigan life style and being a Lawyer why I WENT FISHING< I WENT > > HUNTING, I WAS BUSY AT THE SMELT RUN, are all valad excuses > > > > > > > > Geez, I haven't seen a smelt run in years. I didn't even know they had legs. Sorry, Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

david dobbs wrote: > > spent some time with the boatyard guys trading gossip, other owners > drift in and out and trade stories. Makes you realize that you are > part of a very small sub-culture. > Ha! You need to wander over toward the iceboat guys, the real hardcore group...talk about a small subculture. As a cruiser with an elderly boat and not a racer (I can't think fast enough about right of way rules when going 40 mph), I just hang out on the fringe and listen. And these are just the local hard-core. The serious racers will go anywhere. The North Americans were set for Rhode Island but weather was bad so it was rescheduled for Torch Lake, just north of me here in Michigan, and the weather was bad, so somebody said they went farther west, Wisconsin or something. They'll drive hundreds of miles to sail for a couple days. This is not mainstream stuff and it makes us summer sailors seem like a huge market. Chris Campbell > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

david dobbs wrote: > > Timm, > The smelt were introduced in the Great lakes by some moron, they loved > it reproduced like crazy, and fishermen caught them, etc. Then come > the alewives, herring type fish which choose to die during June and > July in great numbers on our beaches. Nasty. Okay, the DNR folks get > a bright idea to put salmon in the lakes to eat the alewives. Bingo, > now we have a sportfishing industry catching salmon. Well, the salmon > do a real good job, and now we have no more smelt, no more alewives, > and the salmon are looking for food. When we mess with Mother Nature > we never know what we'll get. > The alewife thing is strange. They came up the seaway and through the Welland Canal and were a huge food source, as you note, for the salmon that were stocked to control them. But the population crash isn't apparently due to over-predation by salmon. It's probably related to the other recent invaders, zebra and quagga mussels. The alewives were pretty fragile--even in the spring a slight disturbance in ambient temp or oxygen caused 'em to die off. They're dropping precipitously even in east coast areas: http://ecosystems.mbl.edu/news/alewife_story.htm. A Chicago newspaper says: "The alewife population -- and the die-offs -- have been drastically reduced in recent years because of state-stocked salmon that eat the oily, bony fish, /and the influx of invasive zebra mussels, which eat the algae that are at the base of the alewife food chain/." (Emphasis added). The mussels, zebra and quagga, are just zapping the base of the aquatic food chain. Last week I saw a video showing mussels at 190 feet--in natural light! The water is clearer now because of the mussel filtering of the native plankton. The same videos showed Cladophera, that nasty algae that dies off and washes up on the beach and rots, as deep as that too. The other thing the videos showed was the huge abundance of round gobies, the invading fish. They are dense on the bottom of the lakes. Chris Campbell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chris, It was actually looking to be Long Island. About 3 days before it was supposed to start, Long Island was out and it was set to be somewhere the in the west, ended up being Torch Lake. They got the worlds off then the conditions deteriorated for the NA's so they wend to Oshkosh. It sounds like by the time they got there that lake had deteriorated so they ended up on Green Bay at the MI, WI border (can't remember the exact location but right on the state line). I was hoping they were going to stay in the east as I wanted to go, not to race but just to look at really good boats since I really need to make a hull and stop dragging the 88# lopsided hull around. Bob Ellison Cal 2-27 #637 DN 5436 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Chris C: Summer david dobbs wrote: spent some time with the boatyard guys trading gossip, other owners drift in and out and trade stories. Makes you realize that you are part of a very small sub-culture. Ha! You need to wander over toward the iceboat guys, the real hardcore group...talk about a small subculture. As a cruiser with an elderly boat and not a racer (I can't think fast enough about right of way rules when going 40 mph), I just hang out on the fringe and listen. And these are just the local hard-core. The serious racers will go anywhere. The North Americans were set for Rhode Island but weather was bad so it was rescheduled for Torch Lake, just north of me here in Michigan, and the weather was bad, so somebody said they went farther west, Wisconsin or something. They'll drive hundreds of miles to sail for a couple days. This is not mainstream stuff and it makes us summer sailors seem like a huge market. Chris Campbell ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chris, Yeah, we thought the Zebra mussels were bad but the Quaggas are even worse, the water is so clear you can see the bottom sometimes to 20 feet. This has changed the environment so radically that I'm not sure that anyone knows where it's going. Then there's the Asian carp on the verge of entering the Great Lakes. That's enough depression for one day. Regards, Dave Dobbs --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] dEmO, smelt > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 12:55 PM > david dobbs wrote: > > > > Timm, > > The smelt were introduced in the Great lakes by some > moron, they loved it reproduced like crazy, and fishermen > caught them, etc. Then come the alewives, herring type fish > which choose to die during June and July in great numbers on > our beaches. Nasty. Okay, the DNR folks get a bright idea > to put salmon in the lakes to eat the alewives. Bingo, now > we have a sportfishing industry catching salmon. Well, the > salmon do a real good job, and now we have no more smelt, no > more alewives, and the salmon are looking for food. When we > mess with Mother Nature we never know what we'll get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The alewife thing is strange. They came up the seaway and > through the Welland Canal and were a huge food source, as > you note, for the salmon that were stocked to control them. > But the population crash isn't apparently due to > over-predation by salmon. It's probably related to the > other recent invaders, zebra and quagga mussels. The > alewives were pretty fragile--even in the spring a slight > disturbance in ambient temp or oxygen caused 'em to die > off. > > They're dropping precipitously even in east coast > areas: http://ecosystems.mbl.edu/news/alewife_story.htm. > > A Chicago newspaper says: "The alewife population -- > and the die-offs -- have been drastically reduced in recent > years because of state-stocked salmon that eat the oily, > bony fish, /and the influx of invasive zebra mussels, which > eat the algae that are at the base of the alewife food > chain/." (Emphasis added). > > The mussels, zebra and quagga, are just zapping the base of > the aquatic food chain. Last week I saw a video showing > mussels at 190 feet--in natural light! The water is clearer > now because of the mussel filtering of the native plankton. > The same videos showed Cladophera, that nasty algae that > dies off and washes up on the beach and rots, as deep as > that too. The other thing the videos showed was the huge > abundance of round gobies, the invading fish. They are > dense on the bottom of the lakes. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > /Spyke,/ the local boat, has a much nicer boomkin--a more substantial > > welded stainless device, going from memory now. The harbor is iced up > > so I can't get in there in the kayak. Maybe I'll drive over and walk > > around. I haven't seen /Spyke/ hauled because she's bubbled and > doesn't > > spend much time out of the water. The boat's is good shape. I'll try > > to snap a photo to post. > > I'd like a photo as I don't have one for the book, which one day soon > will appear at Giantkillercal40.com. > I snapped several photos and tried sending them from my home computer but they all bounced back. Don't know what the problem is. Is your spam filter overactive? Chris Campbell > > > > _ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

Bob Ellison wrote: > > I really need to make a hull and stop dragging the 88# lopsided hull > around. Me too! Problem is, it's either iceboat sailing season, when it's too late to build a new one, or spring outfitting/summer sailing season, when I don't spend a lot of time in the shop. My old-style hull is heavy but it's also sturdy, having survived three teenagers blasting over big ice ridges on Saginaw Bay (Lake Huron). The leading edge of the runner plank is all beat up. But the only casualty in all the years has been the original mast, which exploded one day after sailing on a lake with lots of slush at ice joints. You couldn't see them because of snow but they would slow the boat down abruptly, loading the mast forward suddenly. Apparently it didn't like that. It would be nice to have a light boat that would be easier to load on top the truck (and that would be a bit speedier). Chris Campbell DN # 373

david dobbs wrote: > > > Chris, > Yeah, we thought the Zebra mussels were bad but the Quaggas are even > worse, the water is so clear you can see the bottom sometimes to 20 feet. > I grew up and keep a boat on Saginaw Bay, on Michigan's eastern side. It's a very large, shallow bay with lots of agricultural runoff and thus lots of nutrients. It's usually the color of pea soup in the summer. If you can see the bottom you're about knee-deep. In the boat, if you see the bottom, you're aground. One day about 10 years ago my father and I were out for the first sail of the season and I looked over and there was the bottom. It was a genuine "Oh s__t" moment but we were still moving. The sounder told me we had water. An improvised lead line showed the sounder was working. We were in 13 feet. I had never--NEVER-- seen the bottom in the Bay in 13 feet. Last summer, later (and usually greener) in the season I saw it again. Chris Campbell > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 2/17/2009 7:07 AM >

I don't think so. I have a junk filter but it doesn't reject things. Maybe the files were too big for your ISP. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Feb 17, 2009, at 6:15 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > mtkennedy1 wrote: > >> >> > >> > /Spyke,/ the local boat, has a much nicer boomkin--a more >> substantial >> > welded stainless device, going from memory now. The harbor is >> iced up >> > so I can't get in there in the kayak. Maybe I'll drive over and >> walk >> > around. I haven't seen /Spyke/ hauled because she's bubbled and >> doesn't >> > spend much time out of the water. The boat's is good shape. I'll >> try >> > to snap a photo to post. >> >> I'd like a photo as I don't have one for the book, which one day soon >> will appear at Giantkillercal40.com. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I snapped several photos and tried sending them from my home > computer but they all bounced back. Don't know what the problem > is. Is your spam filter overactive? > > Chris Campbell >> >> >> > > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > I don't think so. I have a junk filter but it doesn't reject things. > Maybe the files were too big for your ISP. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 Chris: Why not load them up to the Yahoo photos here on the Cal page and we can all enjoy them. Thanks Bud

sailingbuds wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> > wrote: > > > > I don't think so. I have a junk filter but it doesn't reject things. > > Maybe the files were too big for your ISP. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris: > > Why not load them up to the Yahoo photos here on the Cal page and we > can all enjoy them. Thanks > Will do. Later today. Gotta go and fight a parking ticket. I'm ignoring the old axiom about the lawyer who represents himself. Chris > > >