RE: Crawfish Predation was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (John)

Yes John, If you imported them Louisiana Crawfish to gobble up the mussels, you'd have to import boat loads of Cajuns to eat them. Silver lining is think of all them Carnivals, Zydeco Music Festivales, and all that spicy Gumbo you'd have to eat. You'd end up top predator yourself, before you knew it! Why then Canada might have another French Province to contend with and it could rekindle the French and Indian wars, the British would have to figure out how to refloat their first rate Man-0-War square rigger currently sunk in the muck in Lake Ontario dating back to the war of 1812...ah ha, presto, sailing content! Jerry --- On Wed, 2/18/09, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> Subject: RE: Snail Predation was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:28 PM No thanks on the crawfish from what I've heard about the number of zebra mussels we'd be up to our keels in crawfish within a short period of time and then we'd have to import something else. The water treatment plants have solved most of their problems by adding chlorine directly at their intakes. The Zebra mussels seem to be able to handle cold water alright it's when it gets over 135 that they die off. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:17 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Snail Predation was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) Well, out of curiosity, and...the fact that I am among the first graduates, in 1968, of the renamed in 1964, College of Agriculture and ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES, of Rutgers university, and therefore my duty, I looked up Zebra and Quagga snail predators. Seems that crawfish love'em, and birds will eat them too. The crawfish eat up to 100 of the little varmints a day, but aren't making any headway in controling them. I did read something about the mussels filtering out pollution and improving water quality, and providing fertilizer for aquatic grasses, (yes an letting light reach greater depths), which then foul props. Billions are being spent clearing water pipes in municipal water systems and power plants. See what did I tell you about being cheaper to station armed guards at launching ramps? In any case I can see that keeping pipes clean, repowering boats with burned up engines from clogged cooling systems, should keep some manpower employed. I wonder how acidification affects mussel shells? The Quagga mussels were brought here from Russia and the Ukraine (so much for the economic benefits of the end of the Cold war), so they are worse than the Zebras, they can withstand harsher climate conditions. I wonder what the Russians and such do about these mussels. Do they at least have a recipe for them? Now if we can genetically engineer some giant, man eating crawfish. Or at least super crawfish that eat more than 100...gag... mussels a day? Jerry --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 3:51 PM Wow, I'm glad you mentioned that! I'm so used to hearing "Windows and Mac compatible" that I just discount whatever is being talked about, unless I REALLY want to try to make it work under wine. From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:35:26 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) On Monday 16 February 2009 23:29:29 John Boyce wrote: Based on your post and as I seem to be out of touch with this issue, found a good source for water levels in the great lakes and misc data. Like NOAA stuff more then USGCorEng data. See if interested; Detailed data http://www.glerl. noaa.gov/ wr/ahps/curfcst/ link_mic99. html General data http://www.glerl. noaa.gov/ data/now/ wlevels/levels. html If your using some form of GIS system to track water and wind levels then the upper link also provides data in WMF format which is really nice. Sailing content: Best "free software" as in access to source code and available at no cost for reading grib files is called zyGrib from France. Available in english and supports Windows and Mac as well. Primarily a linux application that has now been ported to multiplatform usage. See: http://www.zygrib. org/index. php?page= abstract_ en -- /ch

Buckwheat Zydeco will be in Annapolis on March 5th. Amazing how this list amalgamates this great land (and seas) of ours. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Crawfish Predation was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (John) Yes John, If you imported them Louisiana Crawfish to gobble up the mussels, you'd have to import boat loads of Cajuns to eat them. Silver lining is think of all them Carnivals, Zydeco Music Festivales, and all that spicy Gumbo you'd have to eat. You'd end up top predator yourself, before you knew it! Why then Canada might have another French Province to contend with and it could rekindle the French and Indian wars, the British would have to figure out how to refloat their first rate Man-0-War square rigger currently sunk in the muck in Lake Ontario dating back to the war of 1812...ah ha, presto, sailing content! Jerry --- On Wed, 2/18/09, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> Subject: RE: Snail Predation was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:28 PM No thanks on the crawfish from what I've heard about the number of zebra mussels we'd be up to our keels in crawfish within a short period of time and then we'd have to import something else. The water treatment plants have solved most of their problems by adding chlorine directly at their intakes. The Zebra mussels seem to be able to handle cold water alright it's when it gets over 135 that they die off. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:17 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Snail Predation was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) Well, out of curiosity, and...the fact that I am among the first graduates, in 1968, of the renamed in 1964, College of Agriculture and ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES, of Rutgers university, and therefore my duty, I looked up Zebra and Quagga snail predators. Seems that crawfish love'em, and birds will eat them too. The crawfish eat up to 100 of the little varmints a day, but aren't making any headway in controling them. I did read something about the mussels filtering out pollution and improving water quality, and providing fertilizer for aquatic grasses, (yes an letting light reach greater depths), which then foul props. Billions are being spent clearing water pipes in municipal water systems and power plants. See what did I tell you about being cheaper to station armed guards at launching ramps? In any case I can see that keeping pipes clean, repowering boats with burned up engines from clogged cooling systems, should keep some manpower employed. I wonder how acidification affects mussel shells? The Quagga mussels were brought here from Russia and the Ukraine (so much for the economic benefits of the end of the Cold war), so they are worse than the Zebras, they can withstand harsher climate conditions. I wonder what the Russians and such do about these mussels. Do they at least have a recipe for them? Now if we can genetically engineer some giant, man eating crawfish. Or at least super crawfish that eat more than 100...gag... mussels a day? Jerry --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 3:51 PM Wow, I'm glad you mentioned that! I'm so used to hearing "Windows and Mac compatible" that I just discount whatever is being talked about, unless I REALLY want to try to make it work under wine. From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:35:26 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Giant man eating goldfish (Chris) On Monday 16 February 2009 23:29:29 John Boyce wrote: Based on your post and as I seem to be out of touch with this issue, found a good source for water levels in the great lakes and misc data. Like NOAA stuff more then USGCorEng data. See if interested; Detailed data http://www.glerl. noaa.gov/ wr/ahps/curfcst/ link_mic99. html <http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/wr/ahps/curfcst/link_mic99.html> General data http://www.glerl. noaa.gov/ data/now/ wlevels/levels. html <http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/now/wlevels/levels.html> If your using some form of GIS system to track water and wind levels then the upper link also provides data in WMF format which is really nice. Sailing content: Best "free software" as in access to source code and available at no cost for reading grib files is called zyGrib from France. Available in english and supports Windows and Mac as well. Primarily a linux application that has now been ported to multiplatform usage. See: http://www.zygrib. org/index. php?page= abstract_ en <http://www.zygrib.org/index.php?page=abstract_en> -- /ch