16 messages2009-02-19 12:51 UTCthrough 2009-02-20 13:48 UTC
Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Michael McElhaney2009-02-19 12:51 UTC
Hi All!
We just received the following email and thought We'd let you know that
Reggie and Barb's Cruising Cal 36, /Submit,/ will be out for an hour or
two representing the sailing community in celebrating Pensacola's 450th
Birthday.(Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her
scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the
cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring. Arrggh!).
We'll post pics. (Thanks Reggie and Barb) :-)
Mike and Beth
As you may be aware the King and Queen of Spain will be visiting
Pensacola in
> honor of the 450th Birthday Celebration later this week. It has been
> requested by the organizers of CELEBRATE Pensacola to have as
many boats on
> the water as possible on the morning of Thursday, February 19th,
2009 between
> the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon. The boats should gather
around the
> northern end of Pensacola Bay by the Plaza de Luna area (where
the Bayfront
> Audtitorium was located) for a sail by boating salute to the
Royal couple
> (who are avid boating enthusiasts).
>
>
>
> Please send out a request to your sailing and boating members to
join the
> celebration by representing Pensacola's boating community and
welcoming King
> Juan Carlos I and Queen Sofia to our piece of boating paradise.
Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Joe DeMers2009-02-19 12:58 UTC
----- Mike and Beth said -
Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring.
SNIP -
This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on the winch island, if possible.
Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a bathtub drain.
Joe DeMers
Sound Marine Diesel LLC
www.soundmarinediesel.com
Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel (Joe)
Michael McElhaney2009-02-19 13:55 UTC
Joe,
That is one of the million things on my to-do list. I'm playing more and
more with the idea of going hybrid instead. It just chaps my hide every
time I fire up the motor either on the boat or the car. I feel like I
should be waving a Saudi flag! But, of course, it comes down to what we
can afford at the time. Right now we are trying to get enough to make
the toe-rails not leak (she needs nothing short of the /Conquest/
treatment). Thanks for the heads-up though. I read your posts with
interest since you have much more experience with diesels than I do.
Remind me to tell you about our smoking 4.107 and 16x16 prop... again,
Arrgh! I do love our boat and all she represents though. Are we masochists?
Mike
Joe DeMers wrote:
>
>
>
> *----- Mike and Beth said -
>
> *
> *Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her
> scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the
> cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring. *
> **
> SNIP -
> This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a
> place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on
> the winch island, if possible.
>
> Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a
> bathtub drain.
>
> *Joe DeMers
> Sound Marine Diesel LLC
> **www.soundmarinediesel.com* <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>
>
>
Hybrid systems [ was Water in fuel (Joe)
Joe DeMers2009-02-19 14:02 UTC
Thanks for your response, Mike.
Beta Marine has just put on the market a hybrid system. I have seen the sales literature, but have no pricing. Hopefully, they will be available in the US soon.
Joe DeMers
Sound Marine Diesel LLC
www.soundmarinediesel.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael McElhaney
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel (Joe)
Joe,
That is one of the million things on my to-do list. I'm playing more and more with the idea of going hybrid instead. It just chaps my hide every time I fire up the motor either on the boat or the car. I feel like I should be waving a Saudi flag! But, of course, it comes down to what we can afford at the time. Right now we are trying to get enough to make the toe-rails not leak (she needs nothing short of the Conquest treatment). Thanks for the heads-up though. I read your posts with interest since you have much more experience with diesels than I do. Remind me to tell you about our smoking 4.107 and 16x16 prop... again, Arrgh! I do love our boat and all she represents though. Are we masochists?
Mike
Joe DeMers wrote:
----- Mike and Beth said -
Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring.
SNIP -
This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on the winch island, if possible.
Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a bathtub drain.
Joe DeMers
Sound Marine Diesel LLC
www.soundmarinediesel.com
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
r good2009-02-19 14:21 UTC
hope it is mor than an hour or two. enjoy! blow the cobwebs off her!
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: mi… [at] wahini.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:51:38 -0600
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Hi All!
We just received the following email and thought We'd let you know that Reggie and Barb's Cruising Cal 36, Submit, will be out for an hour or two representing the sailing community in celebrating Pensacola's 450th Birthday.(Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring. Arrggh!).
We'll post pics. (Thanks Reggie and Barb) :-)
Mike and Beth
As you may be aware the King and Queen of Spain will be visiting Pensacola in
> honor of the 450th Birthday Celebration later this week. It has been
> requested by the organizers of CELEBRATE Pensacola to have as many boats on
> the water as possible on the morning of Thursday, February 19th, 2009 between
> the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon. The boats should gather around the
> northern end of Pensacola Bay by the Plaza de Luna area (where the Bayfront
> Audtitorium was located) for a sail by boating salute to the Royal couple
> (who are avid boating enthusiasts).
>
>
>
> Please send out a request to your sailing and boating members to join the
> celebration by representing Pensacola's boating community and welcoming King
> Juan Carlos I and Queen Sofia to our piece of boating paradise.
RE: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel (Joe)
r good2009-02-19 14:24 UTC
Masochists? yes! dontcha just love it?
Did you mean the Mariposa treatment?
Reggie
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: mi… [at] wahini.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:55:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel (Joe)
Joe,
That is one of the million things on my to-do list. I'm playing more and more with the idea of going hybrid instead. It just chaps my hide every time I fire up the motor either on the boat or the car. I feel like I should be waving a Saudi flag! But, of course, it comes down to what we can afford at the time. Right now we are trying to get enough to make the toe-rails not leak (she needs nothing short of the Conquest treatment). Thanks for the heads-up though. I read your posts with interest since you have much more experience with diesels than I do. Remind me to tell you about our smoking 4.107 and 16x16 prop... again, Arrgh! I do love our boat and all she represents though. Are we masochists?
Mike
Joe DeMers wrote:
----- Mike and Beth said -
Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring.
SNIP -
This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on the winch island, if possible.
Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a bathtub drain.
Joe DeMers
Sound Marine Diesel LLC
www.soundmarinediesel.com
Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Michael Kennedy2009-02-19 16:05 UTC
On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Joe DeMers wrote:
>
>
> ----- Mike and Beth said -
>
> Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her
> scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the
> cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring.
>
> SNIP -
> This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a
> place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on the
> winch island, if possible.
>
> Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a
> bathtub drain.
The easiest place to relocate it in a 40 would probably be a cockpit
seat. That's a good point although I have been thinking of raising it
a bit by putting it in the middle of a teak strip.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
>
> Joe DeMers
> Sound Marine Diesel LLC
> www.soundmarinediesel.com
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Masochists (was Water in fuel)
Michael McElhaney2009-02-19 19:16 UTC
Hurts so good! But I have to wonder "Why?" at times. Also, I was
referring to the detailed pics and descriptions on Mr. Kennedy's website
for /Conquest/ (I can't think of the address off the top of my head, but
I'm sure he'll oblige us once again with that info.) . I think
/Mariposa/ went through the same trauma as well.
Mike
r good wrote:
>
> Masochists? yes! dontcha just love it?
>
> Did you mean the /Mariposa/ treatment?
>
> Reggie
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> From: mi… [at] wahini.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:55:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel (Joe)
>
> Joe,
> That is one of the million things on my to-do list. I'm playing more
> and more with the idea of going hybrid instead. It just chaps my hide
> every time I fire up the motor either on the boat or the car. I feel
> like I should be waving a Saudi flag! But, of course, it comes down to
> what we can afford at the time. Right now we are trying to get enough
> to make the toe-rails not leak (she needs nothing short of the
> /Conquest/ treatment). Thanks for the heads-up though. I read your
> posts with interest since you have much more experience with diesels
> than I do. Remind me to tell you about our smoking 4.107 and 16x16
> prop... again, Arrgh! I do love our boat and all she represents
> though. Are we masochists?
> Mike
> .
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Chris Campbell2009-02-19 19:28 UTC
Michael Kennedy wrote:
>
>
> The easiest place to relocate it in a 40 would probably be a cockpit
> seat. That's a good point although I have been thinking of raising it
> a bit by putting it in the middle of a teak strip.
>
What came to mind immediately was sitting in a slick of diesel fuel.
What fun.
I still remember the day when I was entering the Saginaw River alone in
my other boat. The wind was straight down the river; I was powering in
and thinking how I depend on the outboard in a situation like that, and
as soon as the thought came to mind the outboard went on strike. Sails
were furled/anchor rode was not shackled to anchor/boat was blowing
toward range light tower and very shallow water. Big mess. I finally
noted that the outboard was out of gas and began transferring gas from
the spare can into the motor's tank, in the cockpit and without a
funnel. This was 24:1 outboard gas, all oily, and the scene was not
pretty. Lots of slipping & sliding & bad odor & bad language.
So do think about what it will be like if the diesel tank burps onto the
cockpit seat while you're filling. Having closely approximated that
phenomenon, I can imagine it vividly.
To set the scene properly, you must understand that as I was flailing
about with half-unfurled main, anchor rode half uncoiled, gas tanks all
over, and drifting out of the channel, the town's fussiest sailor, its
oldest old salt, came down the river in his last boat, a Cal of about 30
feet, and gave me that look. It's the look you give some hopelessly
incompetent neophyte who ought to be taking up golf or pinochle.
Chris Campbell
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Patrick Fiega2009-02-19 19:51 UTC
One of the previous owners of my Cal 40 relocated it to the starboard deck, aft of the wench pedestal, near the toe rail but raised it on a piece of teak. This was done when the old fuel tank was removed and replaced during an engine refit. Seems to work well for me.
From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:28:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Michael Kennedy wrote:
The easiest place to relocate it in a 40 would probably be a cockpit
seat. That's a good point although I have been thinking of raising it
a bit by putting it in the middle of a teak strip.
What came to mind immediately was sitting in a slick of diesel fuel.
What fun.
I still remember the day when I was entering the Saginaw River alone in
my other boat. The wind was straight down the river; I was powering in
and thinking how I depend on the outboard in a situation like that, and
as soon as the thought came to mind the outboard went on strike. Sails
were furled/anchor rode was not shackled to anchor/boat was blowing
toward range light tower and very shallow water. Big mess. I finally
noted that the outboard was out of gas and began transferring gas from
the spare can into the motor's tank, in the cockpit and without a
funnel. This was 24:1 outboard gas, all oily, and the scene was not
pretty. Lots of slipping & sliding & bad odor & bad
language.
So do think about what it will be like if the diesel tank burps onto
the cockpit seat while you're filling. Having closely approximated
that phenomenon, I can imagine it vividly.
To set the scene properly, you must understand that as I was flailing
about with half-unfurled main, anchor rode half uncoiled, gas tanks all
over, and drifting out of the channel, the town's fussiest sailor, its
oldest old salt, came down the river in his last boat, a Cal of about
30 feet, and gave me that look. It's the look you give some hopelessly
incompetent neophyte who ought to be taking up golf or pinochle.
Chris Campbell
Re: Masochists (was Water in fuel)
mtkennedy12009-02-19 19:53
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael McElhaney <mike@...> wrote:
>
> Hurts so good! But I have to wonder "Why?" at times. Also, I was
> referring to the detailed pics and descriptions on Mr. Kennedy's
website
> for /Conquest/ (I can't think of the address off the top of my head,
but
> I'm sure he'll oblige us once again with that info.) . I think
> /Mariposa/ went through the same trauma as well.
> Mike
The web page is http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67
I also have more photos on http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/
Eventually, I'll get them together.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Masochists (was Water in fuel)
Chris Campbell2009-02-19 20:40 UTC
mtkennedy1 wrote:
>
> --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Michael McElhaney <mike@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hurts so good! But I have to wonder "Why?" at times. Also, I was
> > referring to the detailed pics and descriptions on Mr. Kennedy's
> website
> > for /Conquest/ (I can't think of the address off the top of my head,
> but
> > I'm sure he'll oblige us once again with that info.) . I think
> > /Mariposa/ went through the same trauma as well.
> > Mike
>
> The web page is http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67
> <http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=67>
>
Wow, nice boat, nice write-up, good taste in boat aesthetics. You're a
patient man. The results make it worthwhile, probably, but you must
have been eager to get it done. We in Michigan have these annual
periods of enforced idleness so we're used to waiting to go sailing.
Chris Campbell
> .
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Michael McElhaney2009-02-19 23:37 UTC
Ours has been raised onto a teak strip in the distant past but the
leaves clogged the scuppers so bad that the water was still almost 2
inches above the fill. The trees are strange here; the oaks dump their
leaves in the spring and grow new ones over the summer. I've never seen
the like before. I need to replace the fill anyway since it still says
"gas" on it and she hasn't had the original Gray marine in there for
quite some time. She was upgraded with a Perkins a long time ago by a PO.
Mike
Michael Kennedy wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Joe DeMers wrote:
>
>
>> ----- Mike and Beth said -
>>
>> Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her
>> scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the
>> cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring.
>>
>> SNIP -
>> This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a
>> place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on the
>> winch island, if possible.
>>
>> Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a
>> bathtub drain.
>>
>
> The easiest place to relocate it in a 40 would probably be a cockpit
> seat. That's a good point although I have been thinking of raising it
> a bit by putting it in the middle of a teak strip.
>
> Mike Kennedy
> Conquest Cal 40 # 96
>
>
>> Joe DeMers
>> Sound Marine Diesel LLC
>> www.soundmarinediesel.com
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
r good2009-02-20 00:11 UTC
sometimes PO's do good things!
Reggie
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: mi… [at] wahini.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:37:53 -0600
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Ours has been raised onto a teak strip in the distant past but the leaves clogged the scuppers so bad that the water was still almost 2 inches above the fill. The trees are strange here; the oaks dump their leaves in the spring and grow new ones over the summer. I've never seen the like before. I need to replace the fill anyway since it still says "gas" on it and she hasn't had the original Gray marine in there for quite some time. She was upgraded with a Perkins a long time ago by a PO.
Mike
Michael Kennedy wrote:
On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Joe DeMers wrote:
----- Mike and Beth said -
Our Cal-40 just got a bad dose of water in the fuel when her
scuppers clogged with leaves and the water rose to 2 inches in the
cockpit and over the fuel-fill with the old o-ring.
SNIP -
This is why we recommend relocating the fuel fill deck plate to a
place where it will not have standing water over it. Place it on the
winch island, if possible.
Having a fuel fill located in the cockpit sole reminds me of a
bathtub drain.
The easiest place to relocate it in a 40 would probably be a cockpit
seat. That's a good point although I have been thinking of raising it
a bit by putting it in the middle of a teak strip.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
Joe DeMers
Sound Marine Diesel LLC
www.soundmarinediesel.com
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
Lord Nougat2009-02-20 09:04 UTC
I fear that if my wench hears about that, she'll want a pedestal too!
If it means more sailing time for me, she'll get that pedestal.
From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:51:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by Spanish King and Queen
One of the previous owners of my Cal 40 relocated it to the starboard deck, aft of the wench pedestal, near the toe rail but raised it on a piece of teak. This was done when the old fuel tank was removed and replaced during an engine refit. Seems to work well for me.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Wench Pedestal (was Water in fuel )
Michael McElhaney2009-02-20 13:48 UTC
I put my wench on the pedestal right away. She handles the lines better
from there. :-)
Lord Nougat wrote:
> I fear that if my wench hears about that, she'll want a pedestal too!
> If it means more sailing time for me, she'll get that pedestal.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com>
> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:51:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Water in fuel [was Pensacola Visit by
> Spanish King and Queen
>
> One of the previous owners of my Cal 40 relocated it to the starboard
> deck, aft of the wench pedestal, near the toe rail but raised it on a
> piece of teak. This was done when the old fuel tank was removed and
> replaced during an engine refit. Seems to work well for me.
>
>