15 messages2009-02-17 19:56 UTCthrough 2009-02-20 21:02 UTC
Mainsail Reefing.
david dobbs2009-02-17 19:56 UTC
Guys,
I am looking for suggestions on how to set up single line reefing for my main. I went to Harken's website, but they don't recommend it for anything over 150 sq.ft. I saw some photos on a discussion board that looked like a larger boat that had a block attached at each reef point. That seems workable to me, has anyone other suggestions, or experience with something that works that is different?
Thanks,
David Dobbs Cal29 411
RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
Rick Lobb2009-02-17 20:27 UTC
David,
I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works great! I could send you
photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter, so there is nothing
to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom end and runs up
through the aft grommet back down to a block on the boom, forward along the
boom through a turning block on the forward end, up through the forward reef
grommet, down through a deck turning block and back to a spinlock on the
deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process entirely from the cockpit.
Rick Lobb
Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea"
Bellingham,WA
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Of david dobbs
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To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
Guys,
I am looking for suggestions on how to set up single line reefing for my
main. I went to Harken's website, but they don't recommend it for anything
over 150 sq.ft. I saw some photos on a discussion board that looked like a
larger boat that had a block attached at each reef point. That seems
workable to me, has anyone other suggestions, or experience with something
that works that is different?
Thanks,
David Dobbs Cal29 411
RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(Rick)
david dobbs2009-02-17 22:32 UTC
Rick,
What size line do you use and how do you handle the luff clew? On my boat I have the Strong track system and I have to open the gate and let 3 or 4 sail slugs down in order to secure the tack reef cringle to the hook.
Dave
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Rick Lobb <lr… [at] qwest.net> wrote:
> From: Rick Lobb <lr… [at] qwest.net>
> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 2:27 PM
> David,
>
>
>
> I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works great!
> I could send you
> photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter, so
> there is nothing
> to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom end
> and runs up
> through the aft grommet back down to a block on the boom,
> forward along the
> boom through a turning block on the forward end, up through
> the forward reef
> grommet, down through a deck turning block and back to a
> spinlock on the
> deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process entirely
> from the cockpit.
>
>
>
> Rick Lobb
>
> Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea"
>
> Bellingham,WA
>
>
>
> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of david dobbs
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:57 AM
> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
>
>
>
>
> Guys,
> I am looking for suggestions on how to set up single line
> reefing for my
> main. I went to Harken's website, but they don't
> recommend it for anything
> over 150 sq.ft. I saw some photos on a discussion board
> that looked like a
> larger boat that had a block attached at each reef point.
> That seems
> workable to me, has anyone other suggestions, or experience
> with something
> that works that is different?
>
> Thanks,
> David Dobbs Cal29 411
RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(Dave)
Rick Lobb2009-02-17 22:43 UTC
Dave,
I'll have to check the line size, I don't recall off the top of my head. I
also have the Strong track system and don't open the gate as I just use the
tension from the reef line, which seems to be enough at the luff.
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of david dobbs
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:32 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(Rick)
Rick,
What size line do you use and how do you handle the luff clew? On my boat I
have the Strong track system and I have to open the gate and let 3 or 4 sail
slugs down in order to secure the tack reef cringle to the hook.
Dave
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Rick Lobb <lr… [at] qwest.net
<mailto:lrichard7%40qwest.net> > wrote:
> From: Rick Lobb <lr… [at] qwest.net <mailto:lrichard7%40qwest.net> >
> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 2:27 PM
> David,
>
>
>
> I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works great!
> I could send you
> photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter, so
> there is nothing
> to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom end
> and runs up
> through the aft grommet back down to a block on the boom,
> forward along the
> boom through a turning block on the forward end, up through
> the forward reef
> grommet, down through a deck turning block and back to a
> spinlock on the
> deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process entirely
> from the cockpit.
>
>
>
> Rick Lobb
>
> Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea"
>
> Bellingham,WA
>
>
>
> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
> Of david dobbs
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:57 AM
> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:cal_boats%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
>
>
>
>
> Guys,
> I am looking for suggestions on how to set up single line
> reefing for my
> main. I went to Harken's website, but they don't
> recommend it for anything
> over 150 sq.ft. I saw some photos on a discussion board
> that looked like a
> larger boat that had a block attached at each reef point.
> That seems
> workable to me, has anyone other suggestions, or experience
> with something
> that works that is different?
>
> Thanks,
> David Dobbs Cal29 411
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
Chris h2009-02-17 22:43 UTC
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
> David,
>
>
>
> I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works great! I could send you
> photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter, so there is nothing
> to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom end and runs up
> through the aft grommet back down to a block on the boom, forward along the
> boom through a turning block on the forward end, up through the forward
> reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and back to a spinlock on
> the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process entirely from the
> cockpit.
There is a page on line that explain one particular setup"
http://www.mariposasailing.com/boom.html
--
/ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
Sailor2009-02-17 22:52 UTC
David
I sail a 26' Norwalk Islands Sharpie, cat ketch, designed by Bruce Kirby with a big roachy full batten sails on an unstayed masts. (I also have a Cal 27 in Annapolis For Sale cheap, but that's another story).
With the Sharpie, the main mast is so far forward and the bow so narrow that single line jiffy reefing is essential. The main sail is about 250sq.ft. and has three reef points.
The description that follows is the generally same for all three reefs, except for alternating sides of the boom. For reference I will assume that we are starting reef #1 on the stbd side as we face fwd.
A strap-eye is mounted on the stbd side of the boom to position the fixed end of the reef line. The strap-eye is positioned aft of where the leach cringle position will be after reefing, so the pull of the leach line is directed aft to flatten the new "foot" of the sail in its reefed position.
The reef line is fixed with a figure of eight knot in the strap-eye, and then reeved through the first reef leach cringle (stdb to port) and down to a turning block mounted on the port side boom, opposite the strap-eye. (aft pull again). The reef line then passes forward along the port side of the boom to another turning block on the port side of the boom near the gooseneck. This fwd turning block should give the reef line a straight run from the aft turning block and straight up to the first luff reef cringle.
Some additional fairleads on the boom along the way are helpful to keep the slack reefing lines neat and to keep from sweeping any unsuspecting guests off the deck as you tack.
Have your sailmaker build some strops from sufficiently high strength webbing and SS rings. The rings must be larger in diameter than the diameter of the luff reef cringle. One ring on each side of the sail connected through the cringle by the webbing strop. Vary the length of the strop (reef #1 vs #2 vs #3 etc.) to accommodate the bunched up sail, batten cars, battens etc that are progressively being gathered at the gooseneck/boom/mast junction with each successive reef.
Shackle a block on the strop/ring on the port side of the sail. Reeve the reef line from the port side gooseneck/boom turning block through the block on the strop. Reeve the reef line from aft to fwd and then down to another turning block mounted on the side of the mast at gooseneck height but fwd of the gooseneck, port side. You want the pull of the line to be fwd to flatten the foot.
Drop the reef line down and reeve through a block positioned at the aft base of the mast and then pass the reef line aft through what ever fairleads are required to a stopper in the cockpit.
Repeat for reefs #2, #3 etc.
Friction is your enemy with this system. use quality components (Harken blocks or equivalent) properly sized for the loads, with the smallest diameter color coded line that is appropriate for load, stoppers and winch.
It is helpful to layout the system first with a helper and string making sure runs are fair and straight or checking for chafe points. However, once you get it set up......It is slick!
My reefing drill is quick and easy 1.) ease the main sheet, 2.) head up to take pressure off the main, 3.) ease the main vang, 4.) drop the main halyard to pre-dertermined mark for reef #1, 5.) take up reef line #1 on winch, to pre-determined position 6.) visual check 7.) sheet-in and take off.
I hope this is helpful.
Rick Wright
s/v ANNIE
Davis Creek, MD
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 2:56 PM
Guys,
I am looking for suggestions on how to set up single line reefing for my main. I went to Harken's website, but they don't recommend it for anything over 150 sq.ft. I saw some photos on a discussion board that looked like a larger boat that had a block attached at each reef point. That seems workable to me, has anyone other suggestions, or experience with something that works that is different?
Thanks,
David Dobbs Cal29 411
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
david dobbs2009-02-17 23:51 UTC
Chris,
That's Wilkie's Cal. You will notice that the picture showing the tack cringle is not a #1 reef cringle, it's a flattening reef. Haven't heard from David recently so he may be off line, but I think he would confirm that.
Regards,
DD
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote:
> From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 4:43 PM
> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
> > David,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works
> great! I could send you
> > photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter,
> so there is nothing
> > to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom
> end and runs up
> > through the aft grommet back down to a block on the
> boom, forward along the
> > boom through a turning block on the forward end, up
> through the forward
> > reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and
> back to a spinlock on
> > the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process
> entirely from the
> > cockpit.
>
> There is a page on line that explain one particular
> setup"
> http://www.mariposasailing.com/boom.html
>
> --
> /ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
DavidOwen2009-02-18 06:02 UTC
Rick,
Nice narrative of a simple and effective single line reef system.
It's pretty much identical to the one that I used on Mariposa, my Cal
2-29. The addition of blocks and the strops and rings
make a real improvement. As you point out, the friction is a real
problem. I got by without the blocks for a few years, but in very
high winds it was really a struggle to overcome.
I am using a traditional reefing system at present, as per having a
full crew most of the time racing, but I plan to re-rig the single
line and will use the blocks as you indicate.
I am intrigues with your Sharpie. What a gorgeous boat.
David "Wilkie" Owen
On Feb 17, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Sailor wrote:
>
> David
>
> I sail a 26' Norwalk Islands Sharpie, cat ketch, designed by Bruce
> Kirby with a big roachy full batten sails on an unstayed masts. (I
> also have a Cal 27 in Annapolis For Sale cheap, but that's another
> story).
>
> With the Sharpie, the main mast is so far forward and the bow so
> narrow that single line jiffy reefing is essential. The main sail is
> about 250sq.ft. and has three reef points.
>
> The description that follows is the generally same for all three
> reefs, except for alternating sides of the boom. For reference I
> will assume that we are starting reef #1 on the stbd side as we face
> fwd.
>
> A strap-eye is mounted on the stbd side of the boom to position the
> fixed end of the reef line. The strap-eye is positioned aft of where
> the leach cringle position will be after reefing, so the pull of the
> leach line is directed aft to flatten the new "foot" of the sail in
> its reefed position.
>
> The reef line is fixed with a figure of eight knot in the strap-eye,
> and then reeved through the first reef leach cringle (stdb to port)
> and down to a turning block mounted on the port side boom, opposite
> the strap-eye. (aft pull again). The reef line then passes forward
> along the port side of the boom to another turning block on the port
> side of the boom near the gooseneck. This fwd turning block should
> give the reef line a straight run from the aft turning block and
> straight up to the first luff reef cringle.
>
> Some additional fairleads on the boom along the way are helpful to
> keep the slack reefing lines neat and to keep from sweeping any
> unsuspecting guests off the deck as you tack.
>
> Have your sailmaker build some strops from sufficiently high
> strength webbing and SS rings. The rings must be larger in diameter
> than the diameter of the luff reef cringle. One ring on each side of
> the sail connected through the cringle by the webbing strop. Vary
> the length of the strop (reef #1 vs #2 vs #3 etc.) to accommodate
> the bunched up sail, batten cars, battens etc that are progressively
> being gathered at the gooseneck/boom/mast junction with each
> successive reef.
>
> Shackle a block on the strop/ring on the port side of the sail.
> Reeve the reef line from the port side gooseneck/boom turning block
> through the block on the strop. Reeve the reef line from aft to fwd
> and then down to another turning block mounted on the side of the
> mast at gooseneck height but fwd of the gooseneck, port side. You
> want the pull of the line to be fwd to flatten the foot.
>
> Drop the reef line down and reeve through a block positioned at the
> aft base of the mast and then pass the reef line aft through what
> ever fairleads are required to a stopper in the cockpit.
>
> Repeat for reefs #2, #3 etc.
>
> Friction is your enemy with this system. use quality components
> (Harken blocks or equivalent) properly sized for the loads, with the
> smallest diameter color coded line that is appropriate for load,
> stoppers and winch.
>
> It is helpful to layout the system first with a helper and string
> making sure runs are fair and straight or checking for chafe points.
> However, once you get it set up......It is slick!
>
> My reefing drill is quick and easy 1.) ease the main sheet, 2.) head
> up to take pressure off the main, 3.) ease the main vang, 4.) drop
> the main halyard to pre-dertermined mark for reef #1, 5.) take up
> reef line #1 on winch, to pre-determined position 6.) visual check
> 7.) sheet-in and take off.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Rick Wright
> s/v ANNIE
> Davis Creek, MD
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 2:56 PM
>
>
> Guys,
> I am looking for suggestions on how to set up single line reefing
> for my main. I went to Harken's website, but they don't recommend it
> for anything over 150 sq.ft. I saw some photos on a discussion board
> that looked like a larger boat that had a block attached at each
> reef point. That seems workable to me, has anyone other suggestions,
> or experience with something that works that is different?
>
> Thanks,
> David Dobbs Cal29 411
>
>
>
> <2005 10-17 ANNIE @ St Michaels v2.JPG>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
DavidOwen2009-02-18 06:49 UTC
David Dobbs is correct. The cringle in my photo is actually the
cunningham -- sort of confusing as I look at it again. A closer look
shows the reefing lines going up to the reefing cringle (and back)
just forward of the cunningham line.
This system worked really well for me as pictured except the first
time that I needed to pull in the second reef. Then I had a real
struggle because it was blowing like stink (thus the second reef) and
the frictions were tough to overcome. I determined at that point to
add dog-bones (strops with D-rings) and blocks as Rick talks about in
his excellent description below.
Rick, Your Sharpie is drop dead gorgeous, by the way. A really neat
looking boat. I love , and trailerable.
David
>
> Chris,
> That's Wilkie's Cal. You will notice that the picture showing the
> tack cringle is not a #1 reef cringle, it's a flattening reef.
> Haven't heard from David recently so he may be off line, but I think
> he would confirm that.
>
> Regards,
> DD
>
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 4:43 PM
> > On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works
> > great! I could send you
> > > photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter,
> > so there is nothing
> > > to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom
> > end and runs up
> > > through the aft grommet back down to a block on the
> > boom, forward along the
> > > boom through a turning block on the forward end, up
> > through the forward
> > > reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and
> > back to a spinlock on
> > > the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process
> > entirely from the
> > > cockpit.
> >
> > There is a page on line that explain one particular
> > setup"
> > http://www.mariposasailing.com/boom.html
> >
> > --
> > /ch
>
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.
Chris Campbell2009-02-18 14:21 UTC
Sailor wrote:
>
>
>
> The description that follows is the generally same for all three
> reefs, except for alternating sides of the boom. For reference I will
> assume that we are starting reef #1 on the stbd side as we face fwd.
>
Rick:
This is a wonderfully clear description of rigging for single-line
reefing. Many times when I read descriptions like this, my mind starts
reeling after the first sentence. This one was precise and plain.
Maybe it helps that I knew what you were describing, but I think even
somebody who had never seen a single reef system could visualize it.
Good job.
Chris Campbell
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Re: Mainsail Reefing.(David)
xhpspd2009-02-18 16:20
I thought I would add to this. I don't use single line reefing but I
did find that if I take the line back to the far aft part of the boom,
through the cringle, then to a block on the boom much forward of where
the block would otherwise be that left a place for the sail to flop
when reefed and it didn't get all crunched up between the two sides of
the reefing line. With one line pulling almost straight back the
other needs to pull almost straight down to get the same resultant
force on the clew new clew.
For those not wanting single line reefing, I changed what I do at the
luff and have a line with a reef hook on it attached to the mast. it
is much easier to put this hook through the cringle than it is to
force the cringle over a fixed hook.
Mine is an L-36 and not a Cal-29 so ymmv.
Allen
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, DavidOwen <wilkie@...> wrote:
>
>
> David Dobbs is correct. The cringle in my photo is actually the
> cunningham -- sort of confusing as I look at it again. A closer
look
> shows the reefing lines going up to the reefing cringle (and back)
> just forward of the cunningham line.
>
> This system worked really well for me as pictured except the first
> time that I needed to pull in the second reef. Then I had a real
> struggle because it was blowing like stink (thus the second reef)
and
> the frictions were tough to overcome. I determined at that point to
> add dog-bones (strops with D-rings) and blocks as Rick talks about
in
> his excellent description below.
>
> Rick, Your Sharpie is drop dead gorgeous, by the way. A really neat
> looking boat. I love , and trailerable.
>
> David
>
>
> >
> > Chris,
> > That's Wilkie's Cal. You will notice that the picture showing the
> > tack cringle is not a #1 reef cringle, it's a flattening reef.
> > Haven't heard from David recently so he may be off line, but I
think
> > he would confirm that.
> >
> > Regards,
> > DD
> >
> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chris h <chris123@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Chris h <chris123@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 4:43 PM
> > > On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works
> > > great! I could send you
> > > > photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter,
> > > so there is nothing
> > > > to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom
> > > end and runs up
> > > > through the aft grommet back down to a block on the
> > > boom, forward along the
> > > > boom through a turning block on the forward end, up
> > > through the forward
> > > > reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and
> > > back to a spinlock on
> > > > the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process
> > > entirely from the
> > > > cockpit.
> > >
> > > There is a page on line that explain one particular
> > > setup"
> > > http://www.mariposasailing.com/boom.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > /ch
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
Rick Wright2009-02-20 17:02 UTC
David
Thank you for your kind words re: our NIS-26 ANNIE. She was designed by Bruce Kirby as part of a series of NIS Sharpies (18', 23', 26', 31' and 43'). Our boat was built in 1986 by Jespersen Boat builders in Canada (hull #1) and sailed and raced by Bruce in Long Island sound for many years.
Bruce never designed a slow boat and so her speed and manners match her good looks. The cat ketch rig, as designed by Kirby, is a delight to sail. She is obviously easy to tack ("Honey, would you crank in the Jenny a little faster ...Please!) She is also fast, weatherly, will self steer for extended periods in any sort of a breeze fwd of the beam, moves well in light air, and goes like a bat in heavy air.
My friend Robert Ayliffe sailed his NIS-23 from Australia to Hobart Tasmania and at at one point, the GPS clocked a speed of +16kts (!) over the ground, running down wind. He said on that same trip they never had any green water over the bow nor any water make it into the cockpit. Remarkable boats.(www.nisboats.com).
ANNIE is on the Chesapeake Bay, eastern shore of Maryland and you are welcome to join us for a sail anytime.
ANNIE is also reluctantly For Sale, as we are looking for a larger cat ketch for some extended cruising.
Very best regards
Rick Wright
s/v ANNIE
Davis Creek, MD
--- On Wed, 2/18/09, DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> wrote:
From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:49 AM
David Dobbs is correct. The cringle in my photo is actually the cunningham -- sort of confusing as I look at it again. A closer look shows the reefing lines going up to the reefing cringle (and back) just forward of the cunningham line.
This system worked really well for me as pictured except the first time that I needed to pull in the second reef. Then I had a real struggle because it was blowing like stink (thus the second reef) and the frictions were tough to overcome. I determined at that point to add dog-bones (strops with D-rings) and blocks as Rick talks about in his excellent description below.
Rick, Your Sharpie is drop dead gorgeous, by the way. A really neat looking boat. I love , and trailerable.
David
Chris,
That's Wilkie's Cal. You will notice that the picture showing the tack cringle is not a #1 reef cringle, it's a flattening reef. Haven't heard from David recently so he may be off line, but I think he would confirm that.
Regards,
DD
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> wrote:
> From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca>
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 4:43 PM
> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
> > David,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works
> great! I could send you
> > photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter,
> so there is nothing
> > to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom
> end and runs up
> > through the aft grommet back down to a block on the
> boom, forward along the
> > boom through a turning block on the forward end, up
> through the forward
> > reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and
> back to a spinlock on
> > the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process
> entirely from the
> > cockpit.
>
> There is a page on line that explain one particular
> setup"
> http://www.mariposa sailing.com/ boom.html
>
> --
> /ch
Cat Ketch (was) Mainsail Reefing.(Rick)
DavidOwen2009-02-20 18:01 UTC
Rick,
Anyone who has had the blast of sailing a Laser knows Bruce's design
heritage, but I lived in Seattle for a couple of years and was
desparately trying to hook up with a San Juan 24 but was on an extreme
budget at the time and ended up with a Kent Ranger 24 which was a lot
of fun.
I know of Jespersen's reputation for quality from being a long time
subscriber to Wooden Boat Magazine. At one time I was buying lottery
tickets in the hope of commissioning them to build me a cold molded
ketch.
As for the Cat Ketch rig, I experienced the joy of sailing one last
spring, when we did the Newport to Ensenada race on Per Curtiss'
Freedom 44. With the wind at 120 degrees we went wing on wing with a
huge nylon staysail between the masts and passed everything in our
class. The main boom gooseneck was designed so that the sail could be
run forward of the beam.
Per (a long standing Cal list member and co-founder of the CCCCC)
bought the boat from the east coast, where it had won the Newport to
Bahama race more than once.
I would certainly love to sail with you, but you'll undoubtedly sell
her before I can shoe-horn another trip east into my schedule.
Best,
David "Wilkie" Owen
On Feb 20, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Rick Wright wrote:
>
> David
> Thank you for your kind words re: our NIS-26 ANNIE. She was designed
> by Bruce Kirby as part of a series of NIS Sharpies (18', 23', 26',
> 31' and 43'). Our boat was built in 1986 by Jespersen Boat builders
> in Canada (hull #1) and sailed and raced by Bruce in Long Island
> sound for many years.
>
> Bruce never designed a slow boat and so her speed and manners match
> her good looks. The cat ketch rig, as designed by Kirby, is a
> delight to sail. She is obviously easy to tack ("Honey, would you
> crank in the Jenny a little faster ...Please!) She is also fast,
> weatherly, will self steer for extended periods in any sort of a
> breeze fwd of the beam, moves well in light air, and goes like a bat
> in heavy air.
>
> My friend Robert Ayliffe sailed his NIS-23 from Australia to Hobart
> Tasmania and at at one point, the GPS clocked a speed of +16kts (!)
> over the ground, running down wind. He said on that same trip they
> never had any green water over the bow nor any water make it into
> the cockpit. Remarkable boats.(www.nisboats.com).
>
> ANNIE is on the Chesapeake Bay, eastern shore of Maryland and you
> are welcome to join us for a sail anytime.
>
> ANNIE is also reluctantly For Sale, as we are looking for a larger
> cat ketch for some extended cruising.
>
> Very best regards
>
> Rick Wright
> s/v ANNIE
> Davis Creek, MD
>
> --- On Wed, 2/18/09, DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com>wrote:
> From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:49 AM
>
>
> David Dobbs is correct. The cringle in my photo is actually the
> cunningham -- sort of confusing as I look at it again. A closer
> look shows the reefing lines going up to the reefing cringle (and
> back) just forward of the cunningham line.
>
> This system worked really well for me as pictured except the first
> time that I needed to pull in the second reef. Then I had a real
> struggle because it was blowing like stink (thus the second reef)
> and the frictions were tough to overcome. I determined at that
> point to add dog-bones (strops with D-rings) and blocks as Rick
> talks about in his excellent description below.
>
> Rick, Your Sharpie is drop dead gorgeous, by the way. A really neat
> looking boat. I love , and trailerable.
>
> David
>
>
>>
>> Chris,
>> That's Wilkie's Cal. You will notice that the picture showing the
>> tack cringle is not a #1 reef cringle, it's a flattening reef.
>> Haven't heard from David recently so he may be off line, but I
>> think he would confirm that.
>>
>> Regards,
>> DD
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chris h <chris123@magma. ca> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Chris h <chris123@magma. ca>
>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
>> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com
>> > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 4:43 PM
>> > On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
>> > > David,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works
>> > great! I could send you
>> > > photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter,
>> > so there is nothing
>> > > to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom
>> > end and runs up
>> > > through the aft grommet back down to a block on the
>> > boom, forward along the
>> > > boom through a turning block on the forward end, up
>> > through the forward
>> > > reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and
>> > back to a spinlock on
>> > > the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process
>> > entirely from the
>> > > cockpit.
>> >
>> > There is a page on line that explain one particular
>> > setup"
>> > http://www.mariposa sailing.com/ boom.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > /ch
>>
>
>
>
>
Islands out - Daysailing in ...
. .2009-02-20 18:46 UTC
Hi David,
well it turns out Rick did not like the weather enough to go out to the islands this weekend ...
Are you still up for an afternoon sail?
Sabine
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
ld… [at] comcast.net2009-02-20 21:02 UTC
Rick: Are you on Davis Creek off the Chester River near Rock Hall?
Les Hester
3-29#1005
Bay Breeze
Swan Creek, Md
From: "Rick Wright" <ke… [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:02:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
David
Thank you for your kind words re: our NIS-26 ANNIE. She was designed by Bruce Kirby as part of a series of NIS Sharpies (18', 23', 26', 31' and 43'). Our boat was built in 1986 by Jespersen Boat builders in Canada (hull #1) and sailed and raced by Bruce in Long Island sound for many years.
Bruce never designed a slow boat and so her speed and manners match her good looks. The cat ketch rig, as designed by Kirby, is a delight to sail. She is obviously easy to tack (" Honey, would you crank in the Jenny a little faster ...Please !) She is also fast, weatherly, will self steer for extended periods in any sort of a breeze fwd of the beam, moves well in light air, and goes like a bat in heavy air.
My friend Robert Ayliffe sailed his NIS-23 from Australia to Hobart Tasmania and at at one point, the GPS clocked a speed of +16kts (!) over the ground, running down wind. He said on that same trip they never had any green water over the bow nor any water make it into the cockpit. Remarkable boats.( www.nisboats.com ).
ANNIE is on the Chesapeake Bay, eastern shore of Maryland and you are welcome to join us for a sail anytime.
ANNIE is also reluctantly For Sale , as we are looking for a larger cat ketch for some extended cruising.
Very best regards
Rick Wright
s/v ANNIE
Davis Creek, MD
--- On Wed, 2/18/09, DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> wrote:
From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:49 AM
David Dobbs is correct. The cringle in my photo is actually the cunningham -- sort of confusing as I look at it again. A closer look shows the reefing lines going up to the reefing cringle (and back) just forward of the cunningham line.
This system worked really well for me as pictured except the first time that I needed to pull in the second reef. Then I had a real struggle because it was blowing like stink (thus the second reef) and the frictions were tough to overcome. I determined at that point to add dog-bones (strops with D-rings) and blocks as Rick talks about in his excellent description below.
Rick, Your Sharpie is drop dead gorgeous, by the way. A really neat looking boat. I love , and trailerable.
David
Chris,
That's Wilkie's Cal. You will notice that the picture showing the tack cringle is not a #1 reef cringle, it's a flattening reef. Haven't heard from David recently so he may be off line, but I think he would confirm that.
Regards,
DD
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chris h < chris123@magma. ca > wrote:
> From: Chris h < chris123@magma. ca >
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Reefing.(David)
> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 4:43 PM
> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:27:06 Rick Lobb wrote:
> > David,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have single line reefing on my 2-29 and it works
> great! I could send you
> > photos, but everything is off the boat for the winter,
> so there is nothing
> > to see. The line ties off at the port side of the boom
> end and runs up
> > through the aft grommet back down to a block on the
> boom, forward along the
> > boom through a turning block on the forward end, up
> through the forward
> > reef grommet, down through a deck turning block and
> back to a spinlock on
> > the deck at the cockpit. I can do the reef process
> entirely from the
> > cockpit.
>
> There is a page on line that explain one particular
> setup"
> http://www.mariposa sailing.com/ boom.html
>
> --
> /ch