Stuffing Size

Anybody know offhand the packing material size for a Cal 31? Thanks, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Nope, but even if you do get a figure, I'd still have an assortment of sizes just in case. You can always return the ones you don't use. When I did mine a few years ago, the gland would only hold one or two wraps. Not the recommended 3. None the less, it still worked fine. Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: John <st… [at] embarqmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:46:54 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size Anybody know offhand the packing material size for a Cal 31? Thanks, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Mine was 3/16". I was able to get 3 layers in. I used teflon packing that I ordered online. My boat was out of the water at the time, so I was able to size the layers on the portion of the shaft outside the boat, thus saving some contortions. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 "Kat's Cradle" Magothy River Chesapeake Bay From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size Anybody know offhand the packing material size for a Cal 31? Thanks, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Thanks. I thought it was 3/16" but wasn't quite sure. And I'll definitely take Dave's advice on having multiple sizes available. John S. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:29 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size (John) Mine was 3/16". I was able to get 3 layers in. I used teflon packing that I ordered online. My boat was out of the water at the time, so I was able to size the layers on the portion of the shaft outside the boat, thus saving some contortions. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 "Kat's Cradle" Magothy River Chesapeake Bay From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size Anybody know offhand the packing material size for a Cal 31? Thanks, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Concur with multiple sizes, you can almost always take back un-opened sizes not used. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size (Dave B., Harleigh) Thanks. I thought it was 3/16" but wasn't quite sure. And I'll definitely take Dave's advice on having multiple sizes available. John S. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:29 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size (John) Mine was 3/16". I was able to get 3 layers in. I used teflon packing that I ordered online. My boat was out of the water at the time, so I was able to size the layers on the portion of the shaft outside the boat, thus saving some contortions. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 "Kat's Cradle" Magothy River Chesapeake Bay From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size Anybody know offhand the packing material size for a Cal 31? Thanks, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Hello Everyone, Here are some photos taken from the Fort Lauderdale to Key West race, January 14-15. My wife and I crewed on "Sempre Amantes" a 42 foot Hunter Passage. We finished 3rd place with an elapsed time of just over 23 hours. After dark the spinnaker exploded; about 10 minutes before we planned to douse it. FYI, spinnakers do come down a lot easier in heavy wind when they are in pieces. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77841&l=54a2e&id=573217072 --or-- http://tinyurl.com/c8e56n Enjoy, --Michael--

Michael D wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Here are some photos taken from the Fort Lauderdale to Key West race, > January 14-15. My wife and I crewed on "Sempre Amantes" a 42 foot > Hunter Passage. We finished 3rd place with an elapsed time of just > over 23 hours. Beats working, no? But it does look like you had some cold weather--maybe the temp dipped into the 50s? Meanwhile, the rest of us have to work for a living, and our Bay froze over last night--a rare event in the last decade, and earlier than usual when it does happen. And we see it as a hot spell when the temp gets into the upper 20s. Chris Campbell

Don't forget to alternate the seams so the water doesn't get a straight shot into the bilge... Harleigh Ewell wrote: > > Mine was 3/16". I was able to get 3 layers in. I used teflon packing > that I ordered online. My boat was out of the water at the time, so I > was able to size the layers on the portion of the shaft outside the > boat, thus saving some contortions. > > > > Harleigh Ewell > > Cal 31 "Kat's Cradle" > > Magothy River > > Chesapeake Bay > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *John > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:47 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Stuffing Size > > > > Anybody know offhand the packing material size for a Cal 31? > > Thanks, > John Stacklyn > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > Shell Point, FL > > > >

I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas

Kevin O wrote: > I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the > winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL > If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona I thought Lake Mead had dried up? Drying up is perhaps the desert equivalent of ice--it interrupts the sailing. Our Bay is freezing for the first time in 6 years. Into the 1960s, it would freeze 9 out of ten years but the rate has declined since. Records extend back into the 19th century. Apparently this is one of few such freeze-date data sets in the world, and it shows that global warming is not just a problem of measurement technique. As the guy on the radio said this morning, "you can't fool ice." It's either cold enough for a sustained period to freeze, or it isn't. And in the last few decades, it hasn't been, more often than not. I think it's really cool to have such a great winter but it may interrupt my sea kayaking record of 139 consecutive months on the Great Lakes if I can't launch the kayak. Chris Campbell

WOW, that is some beautiful scenery to float past. What is the body of water that you are on? My wife is flying to Vegas next week on business and we don't gamble so I would like her to check this out if she gets a chance. I also understand there is some great hiking in the State Park to the Southwest of Vegas. Last time we were in Vegas was in 1986 preparing to raft down the Grand Canyon -- something every boater should do if they get the chance. Eight glorious days on the water. We went during rowing season when the outboards are banned so it is almost like sailing with the quiet and the pristine water (that chills your beer in 10 minutes in a mesh bag under the raft!) that drifts in the flats and rages in numerous rapids. My experience rowing my dinghy put me in the driver's seat through two Class II rapids. What a thrill!! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:56:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter Sailing I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas

Don, While you're waiting for Kevin to respond, here are some more pics of what goes on out there in the desert. Lake Mead is the second largest man-made lake in the world and has a lot of coves and bays. There is always a hidey-hole available somewhere. As for the sailing, its pretty intense since the winds shift from all directions at variable speeds. There is the Lake Mead Sailing Club <http://lakemeadsailingclub.org/> for the non-racers and the Nevada Yacht Club <http://www.nevadayachtclub.com/wordpress/> for the racers. Since it is fresh water, you don't have to worry about being part of the food chain when you go swimming. In the summer the heat is brutal so you spend a lot of time floating from the back of your boat. Raft-ups are a blast too. /Kona/ (Kevin and Carolyn) make awesome rum drinks... I don't remember what they were though... Cal-25 Soulmate by Middle Point Cal-25 Soulmate motoring Slow Ride Slow Ride Summer Raft-up at Burro Bay

There is great hiking out of St. George Utah about an hour and half Northeast of Vegas. Once there, you are within easy driving range of Zion National Park. Spectacular hiking (photos attached). Other parks like Bryce Canyon and Canyonlands are just a little further away. It is definitely worth a couple extra days in the area if you can extend the departure date of your flights. Bob Connell Cal 31 #59 Jollygood Olympia, WA --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter Sailing (Kevin) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 7:25 AM WOW, that is some beautiful scenery to float past. What is the body of water that you are on? My wife is flying to Vegas next week on business and we don't gamble so I would like her to check this out if she gets a chance. I also understand there is some great hiking in the State Park to the Southwest of Vegas. Last time we were in Vegas was in 1986 preparing to raft down the Grand Canyon -- something every boater should do if they get the chance. Eight glorious days on the water. We went during rowing season when the outboards are banned so it is almost like sailing with the quiet and the pristine water (that chills your beer in 10 minutes in a mesh bag under the raft!) that drifts in the flats and rages in numerous rapids. My experience rowing my dinghy put me in the driver's seat through two Class II rapids. What a thrill!! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: Kevin O <first4banger@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:56:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter Sailing I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas

Hey Bob, St George and Zion is an easy drive from Las Vegas and we plan on making another trip there this summer when it is 1,000 degrees here in Vegas. Also we hope to make many trips to the cool (kewl?) SoCal coast after my GF Carolyn finishes her Massage Therapy License training Would it be considered "pimping" if I offered her to massage for sailing on someones boat? Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas (snip)

Mike & Beth!!! Miss you guys! Yes, our trade mark is that when you leave "Kona" you can't remember what you were drinking!! LOL but you always remember Carolyn smaking your ass! Carolyn is sitting right here with me as we plan our weekend on the lake. she now has Verizon wireless for her laptop that works on the lake. We hope to make it to FL to visit sometime soon and maybe unofficially "charter" Celtic Knot the Captain & Mate for a weekend cruise? We will also offer to teach you how to make the two variations of the "Kona Mai Tai" As you may have noticed, I don't check this e-mail everyday. You can also reach me faster at my work addy ke… [at] andrettigordon.com We have all of our recent photos on webshots.com http://community.webshots.com/user/KevinCarolyn?vhost=community There you can see some more sailing on Lake Mead and Catalina with Jeff etc. Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Michael McElhaney <mi… [at] wahini.org> wrote: Don, While you're waiting for Kevin to respond, here are some more pics of what goes on out there in the desert. Lake Mead is the second largest man-made lake in the world and has a lot of coves and bays. There is always a hidey-hole available somewhere. As for the sailing, its pretty intense since the winds shift from all directions at variable speeds. There is the Lake Mead Sailing Club for the non-racers and the Nevada Yacht Club for the racers. Since it is fresh water, you don't have to worry about being part of the food chain when you go swimming. In the summer the heat is brutal so you spend a lot of time floating from the back of your boat. Raft-ups are a blast too. /Kona/ (Kevin and Carolyn) make awesome rum drinks... I don't remember what they were though... Cal-25 Soulmate by Middle Point Cal-25 Soulmate motoring Slow Ride Slow Ride Summer Raft-up at Burro Bay

Hi Don, Both photos are on Lake Mead Yes, I was nevous anchoring under Mushroom Rock but it made for a great photo We hiked around in the 65+ degree weather with only shorts for me and no shirt. that was December 30th. Mushroom Rock is on the "otherside" of the lake about a days sail 30-35 miles? The Sunset is about 2 miles from the marina in Boulder Basin As Mike was saying, you never know what you are going to get wind-wise on the lake. Clam flat or like last weekend 25-30 with gusts to 40 knots! We saw 8.5 just flying the jib We would be more than happy to take you both out for a few hours or the day while you are here. (I'm always looking for an excuse!) If it is a weekday it will probabley be just me since Carolyn works full time and massage therapy school at night. As for hiking, I would suggest Red Rock Canyon just to the west of Las Vegas. It is a short drive with great trails. Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: WOW, that is some beautiful scenery to float past. What is the body of water that you are on? My wife is flying to Vegas next week on business and we don't gamble so I would like her to check this out if she gets a chance. I also understand there is some great hiking in the State Park to the Southwest of Vegas. Last time we were in Vegas was in 1986 preparing to raft down the Grand Canyon -- something every boater should do if they get the chance. Eight glorious days on the water. We went during rowing season when the outboards are banned so it is almost like sailing with the quiet and the pristine water (that chills your beer in 10 minutes in a mesh bag under the raft!) that drifts in the flats and rages in numerous rapids. My experience rowing my dinghy put me in the driver's seat through two Class II rapids. What a thrill!! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" --------------------------------- From: Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:56:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter Sailing I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas

If you look closely you can see the "bath tub ring" where the water line was 110' higher these are from the same trip dec 27- jan 2 I have 15' of water under my keel Here it is more defined. I am reading 85' on the depth meter We have another 100' to drop before they cut Las Vegas off for water Do ya think that will happen? Las Vegas with no water? not likely Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: Kevin O wrote: I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona I thought Lake Mead had dried up? Drying up is perhaps the desert equivalent of ice--it interrupts the sailing. Our Bay is freezing for the first time in 6 years. Into the 1960s, it would freeze 9 out of ten years but the rate has declined since. Records extend back into the 19th century. Apparently this is one of few such freeze-date data sets in the world, and it shows that global warming is not just a problem of measurement technique. As the guy on the radio said this morning, "you can't fool ice." It's either cold enough for a sustained period to freeze, or it isn't. And in the last few decades, it hasn't been, more often than not. I think it's really cool to have such a great winter but it may interrupt my sea kayaking record of 139 consecutive months on the Great Lakes if I can't launch the kayak. Chris Campbell

Kevin, I still have a hand print! Her right hook to the shoulder was pretty devastating too but maybe I'm just a wuss. It's nice to know she's channeling her powers for good and not evil now :-) Beth and I are in the panhandle of Florida. /Celtic Naut /has been pretty much stuck in the mud this winter since the north wind has been blowing the water out of the bayou. When we plan to sail, we have to take her out in the middle of the night when the tide is just right and anchor her in deeper water. Then, when we go, we dinghy out, hoist anchor and tool around. If the tide isn't right on our return, we reverse the process. It's not a problem but requires planning. It puts a bit of a damper on the "screw-it-lets-go-sailing" impulse. During the summer we had an onshore wind pattern and had no problems getting out from the dock. Anyway, we'll be happy to take you around for a weekend cruise. We can sail around Pensacola Bay, stick our nose out into the gulf a bit, Anchor at abandoned Fort McRee, sail over to Pirate's Cove and party and get our "cheeseburger in paradise" at Lucy Buffet's "Lulu's". Any idea when you'll be showing up? We look forward to seeing you both. Mike and Beth Kevin O wrote: > Mike & Beth!!! > Miss you guys! > > Yes, our trade mark is that when you leave "Kona" you can't remember > what you were drinking!! LOL but you always remember Carolyn smaking > your ass! > Carolyn is sitting right here with me as we plan our weekend on the > lake. she now has Verizon wireless for her laptop that works on the lake. > > We hope to make it to FL to visit sometime soon and maybe unofficially > "charter" Celtic Knot the Captain & Mate for a weekend cruise? > We will also offer to teach you how to make the two variations of the > "Kona Mai Tai" > > As you may have noticed, I don't check this e-mail everyday. > You can also reach me faster at my work addy ke… [at] andrettigordon.com > <mailto:ke… [at] andrettigordon.com> > > We have all of our recent photos on webshots.com > http://community.webshots.com/user/KevinCarolyn?vhost=community > <http://community.webshots.com/user/KevinCarolyn?vhost=community> > There you can see some more sailing on Lake Mead and Catalina with > Jeff etc. > > Kevin > "Kona" > Cal-31 > Las Vegas >

Michael McElhaney wrote: > > Don, > While you're waiting for Kevin to respond, here are some more pics of > what goes on out there in the desert. I grinned. There were no bikinis in evidence when I was sailing on Saturday here in Michigan, on pretty Torch Lake. In fact, it was hard to tell the men from the women because everybody was encased in winter garb and a helmet. Yes, it is iceboating season, and the wind was just about perfect for my old-style DN cruiser--steady and just enough for fun, if not exciting, speed. Sunday was a lovely sunny day, but alas, the wind was too strong for iceboating. Remember that iceboats often outsail the wind. If the guys with the modern, highly adjustable boats aren't going out, there's no way my old unadjustable boat (with a nylon sail, the material that adjusts the wrong way when the wind picks up) is going to be safe. There were a couple guys with these little metal boats, indestructible devices with smaller sails, and they were just flying around (and capsizing a lot). I just drove up and retrieved my boat from the ice. Chris Campbell

Great photos -- looked at your albums of your vacation also -- and what a nice place to sail. There are places on the lakes in Texas where you can tie up with the bow resting at shore and the keel in deep water, also. My wife is taking this trip by herself and will only be in Vegas for two days. But, we may take you up on your offer if it still stands this summer. I have thought about driving over the Sierras through Yosemite (can only be done in summer) and visiting Mono Lake and possibly on to the Grand Canyon. A pit stop to sail on Lake Mead would be really cool! I am curious -- do you have charts to use that show the contour of the bottom that you can subtract the water drop from and get current depth to features? Seems as though some of the features exposed in the photos would be deep under water with 110 feet of water added and with continued drops in water level other features could begin to become hazards as well. It is really an attractive part of this group to learn of techniques and sailing opportunities all across the country while using our Cals! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:17:01 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter Sailing (Don) Hi Don, Both photos are on Lake Mead Yes, I was nevous anchoring under Mushroom Rock but it made for a great photo We hiked around in the 65+ degree weather with only shorts for me and no shirt. that was December 30th. Mushroom Rock is on the "otherside" of the lake about a days sail 30-35 miles? The Sunset is about 2 miles from the marina in Boulder Basin As Mike was saying, you never know what you are going to get wind-wise on the lake. Clam flat or like last weekend 25-30 with gusts to 40 knots! We saw 8.5 just flying the jib We would be more than happy to take you both out for a few hours or the day while you are here. (I'm always looking for an excuse!) If it is a weekday it will probabley be just me since Carolyn works full time and massage therapy school at night. As for hiking, I would suggest Red Rock Canyon just to the west of Las Vegas. It is a short drive with great trails. Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> wrote: WOW, that is some beautiful scenery to float past. What is the body of water that you are on? My wife is flying to Vegas next week on business and we don't gamble so I would like her to check this out if she gets a chance. I also understand there is some great hiking in the State Park to the Southwest of Vegas. Last time we were in Vegas was in 1986 preparing to raft down the Grand Canyon -- something every boater should do if they get the chance. Eight glorious days on the water. We went during rowing season when the outboards are banned so it is almost like sailing with the quiet and the pristine water (that chills your beer in 10 minutes in a mesh bag under the raft!) that drifts in the flats and rages in numerous rapids. My experience rowing my dinghy put me in the driver's seat through two Class II rapids. What a thrill!! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: Kevin O <first4banger@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:56:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter Sailing I thought I would post a couple of new photos to show how bad the winter gets sailing in Las Vegas LOL If they don't show up here I also posted in my photo album Cal-31 Kona Kevin "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas

Anyone out here in CAL land have experience in joint yacht ownership? Pros/cons you would be willing to share? Sample agreement terms on the getting in, maintenance and expenses, getting out, random contingencies, etc? thanks!

I went in halfsies on our Cal20 with an old friend. Of course there have been a few arguments, usually me getting upset about him leaving things other than where I decided they go or other childish things like that. We've been splitting almost all expenses 50/50 with no contract for a little over 3 years now. I can't imagine going into this sort of partnership with someone I don't know very well. Jean-Louis From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 10:50:58 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples Anyone out here in CAL land have experience in joint yacht ownership? Pros/cons you would be willing to share? Sample agreement terms on the getting in, maintenance and expenses, getting out, random contingencies, etc? thanks!

Mike Taylor wrote: > > Anyone out here in CAL land have experience in joint yacht ownership? > Pros/cons you would be willing to share? Sample agreement terms on the > getting in, maintenance and expenses, getting out, random > contingencies, etc? > I observed one joint ownership by a colleague a number of years ago. There were constant squabbles over maintenance and upgrades, and conflicts over who got the boat when. The arrangement foundered after less than two years. I have read articles about how to avoid or minimize these problems by way of written agreements, looking for compatible co-owners, etc. but as a lawyer, I have a suitable cynicism about the power of written agreements to control behavior. Besides, a boat is a very personal sort of possession. We adapt them to suit our own needs and preferences. On my boats, I know exactly where everything is because everything has its place and its place is where I decree that it shall be. Sharing a boat is sort of like sharing a pair of underwear or a toothbrush. You can create an agreement that defines who will pay what and how you share time and even how decisions will be made about other expenditures. But what if the mainsail rips while Owner A is sailing? Owner A says it was because the sail was old. Owner B suspects that A was mistreating the boat. Or how about the fender that gets punctured or the engine repair that is required mid-cruise or that big chip that appears in the gelcoat where somebody dropped a winch handle.... Seems to me that if you can't afford the boat you want, you can (A) look for a smaller boat that you will probably sail more anyway, or (B) charter a boat and avoid all the joint-ownership hassles. Chris Campbell happy in his small cheap boats

Mike, I was in partners with my in-laws (wifes sister and husband) for 5 years on a Catalina 30 in So Cal and have nothing but positive experiences from it. We had no contract and split all maintenance/repairs. It was great having someone to help with maintenance and to sail with as well. If you're going in with someone you don't know, I suppose a contract would be in order but I'm not sure it's needed on a modest boat. Experienced sailors tend to be trustworthy responsible people. My concerns would be damage to the boat due to blatant operator error and upgrades to the boat. I think this is a great time to buy a boat. Prices are depressed but should rebound in a few years. Heck, you might even be able to make money on the deal (less dock fees/maintenance $) if you get a solid popular design with a diesel. Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: Mike Taylor <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 10:50:58 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples

Mike, All of the responses make it clear that it is not clear. One thing I am thoroughly in agreement with is to have a written agreement. A document helps with even the best of friends to stay that way since disputes can be solved by referral to the document with the document serving as an impartial bystander whose feelings can't be hurt. I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having made the codicil. The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in the channel. Yours to choose -- Good luck. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 7:42:28 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples Mike, I was in partners with my in-laws (wifes sister and husband) for 5 years on a Catalina 30 in So Cal and have nothing but positive experiences from it. We had no contract and split all maintenance/ repairs. It was great having someone to help with maintenance and to sail with as well. If you're going in with someone you don't know, I suppose a contract would be in order but I'm not sure it's needed on a modest boat. Experienced sailors tend to be trustworthy responsible people. My concerns would be damage to the boat due to blatant operator error and upgrades to the boat. I think this is a great time to buy a boat. Prices are depressed but should rebound in a few years. Heck, you might even be able to make money on the deal (less dock fees/maintenance $) if you get a solid popular design with a diesel. Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 10:50:58 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples

Donald Dutton wrote: > > > I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we > drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. > Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is > protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands > as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a > problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having > made the codicil. > > The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat > ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can > be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can > make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think > marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that > it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just > left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that > she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would > get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! > Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a > nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the > plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in > the channel. Don: Your advice contains a lot of wisdom. I bought some vacation property from my parents and to avoid hard feelings (including with the siblings) I insisted on a professional appraisal and a written contract--and I adhered to it. Documents can help prevent problems. The marriage analogy is also a good one. Marry in haste, repent at leisure, as they say. This goes for boat deals. It's important to know who you're dealing with and what kinds of conflicts you might anticipate, so you can deal with them in advance. But it's equally important to know yourself, so you can deal with your own idiosyncrasies adequately. Some people probably are not suitable for shared ownership. I'd probably be a miserable boat partner. What I see as charming priorities would probably seem like wretched obsessions to somebody else. When you are the skipper (nautical word for "person who writes the checks"), you can be boss and decider. Chris Campbell >

I think it very important to be able to find what I want where I expect it to be on the boat. More critical on a boat, especially for emergency gear and sometimes for racing. Also, I don't want to have to clean my stuff out of the boat every time I leave it. Never had a boat partnership, but have seen a number of them cave in (and a number apparently succeed). Was engaged once. Never married. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples (Mike) Donald Dutton wrote: > > > I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we > drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. > Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is > protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands > as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a > problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having > made the codicil. > > The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat > ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can > be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can > make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think > marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that > it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just > left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that > she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would > get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! > Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a > nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the > plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in > the channel. Don: Your advice contains a lot of wisdom. I bought some vacation property from my parents and to avoid hard feelings (including with the siblings) I insisted on a professional appraisal and a written contract--and I adhered to it. Documents can help prevent problems. The marriage analogy is also a good one. Marry in haste, repent at leisure, as they say. This goes for boat deals. It's important to know who you're dealing with and what kinds of conflicts you might anticipate, so you can deal with them in advance. But it's equally important to know yourself, so you can deal with your own idiosyncrasies adequately. Some people probably are not suitable for shared ownership. I'd probably be a miserable boat partner. What I see as charming priorities would probably seem like wretched obsessions to somebody else. When you are the skipper (nautical word for "person who writes the checks"), you can be boss and decider. Chris Campbell > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Let me respond to a co-ownership in a Cal334 Bill Wooding and I Dave Paulson have owned to Cal a Cal 29 hull #74 and a Cal 334 we never have had an argument about money or doing work .Many times Bill cant make it to help because of his work load and I having more free time fill in. But when it comes time for a big purchase item he is always there to make up the difference. We never have had a problem with who has paid more . We alternate months on the slip fee he pays the taxes and I pay the insurance and hull cleaning fees. I use the boat more then him and Randy alcorn has enjoy the use he has had. so to some up dont sweat the small bucks as long as we have fun. Dave Paulson Cal 334 Channel Islands Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Dutton To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples (Mike) Mike, All of the responses make it clear that it is not clear. One thing I am thoroughly in agreement with is to have a written agreement. A document helps with even the best of friends to stay that way since disputes can be solved by referral to the document with the document serving as an impartial bystander whose feelings can't be hurt. I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having made the codicil. The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in the channel. Yours to choose -- Good luck. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 7:42:28 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples Mike, I was in partners with my in-laws (wifes sister and husband) for 5 years on a Catalina 30 in So Cal and have nothing but positive experiences from it. We had no contract and split all maintenance/ repairs. It was great having someone to help with maintenance and to sail with as well. If you're going in with someone you don't know, I suppose a contract would be in order but I'm not sure it's needed on a modest boat. Experienced sailors tend to be trustworthy responsible people. My concerns would be damage to the boat due to blatant operator error and upgrades to the boat. I think this is a great time to buy a boat. Prices are depressed but should rebound in a few years. Heck, you might even be able to make money on the deal (less dock fees/maintenance $) if you get a solid popular design with a diesel. Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 10:50:58 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples

Dave & Cathy Paulson wrote: > > Let me respond to a co-ownership in a Cal334 Bill Wooding and I Dave > Paulson have owned to Cal a Cal 29 hull #74 and a Cal 334 we never > have had an argument about money or doing work .Many times Bill cant > make it to help because of his work load and I having more free time > fill in. But when it comes time for a big purchase item he is always > there to make up the difference. We never have had a problem with who > has paid more . We alternate months on the slip fee he pays the taxes > and I pay the insurance and hull cleaning fees. I use the boat more > then him and Randy alcorn has enjoy the use he has had. so to some > up dont sweat the small bucks as long as we have fun. Dave: You and Bill must be the kind of guys who get through life with a minimum of conflict and a maximum of good spirits. You are the kind of folks that we love to have for neighbors or crew mates or relatives. Life is so much more rewarding when you have learned the arts of compromise, consideration, thoughtfulness, and obligation. As a lawyer, I see so many folks who do not have these skills. Their lives are filled with conflict, most of it unnecessary and a good part of it self-inflicted. Pat yourself on the back for being able to get along with your boat partner and thank him for his qualities. You cannot imagine how much better your life is for being that way until you meet the high-conflict folks. Be grateful for parents or whoever taught you to get along. Teach your kids the same skills. I know a lot of interesting people, people who are friends, but not necessarily people I would want to partner with in a boat. They might not necessarily be high-conflict folks, but their personalities might not quite fit mine. Those are the cases that lead to unhappiness. Anybody who's contemplating a boat partnership needs to think carefully about whether they know the other people well enough to assess their personalities accurately, and whether they are self-aware enough to assess themselves with some accuracy. Chris Campbell

My sweetheart of 11 years, Ann and I share ownership of a CAL2-46, 2 businesses, a house, 3 cars and just like any other partnership, it has it's challenges. For 6 months now I've been trying to find the gawldang swaging tool on the boat and I'm positive she has hidden it from me. I'm equally positive that as soon as I drop a hundred bucks to replace it that it will reveal it's location, and that that location will be where I hid it from myself! 8-) From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Ownership I think it very important to be able to find what I want where I expect it to be on the boat. More critical on a boat, especially for emergency gear and sometimes for racing. Also, I don't want to have to clean my stuff out of the boat every time I leave it. Never had a boat partnership, but have seen a number of them cave in (and a number apparently succeed). Was engaged once. Never married. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples (Mike) Donald Dutton wrote: > > > I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we > drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. > Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is > protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands > as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a > problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having > made the codicil. > > The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat > ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can > be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can > make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think > marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that > it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just > left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that > she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would > get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! > Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a > nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the > plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in > the channel. Don: Your advice contains a lot of wisdom. I bought some vacation property from my parents and to avoid hard feelings (including with the siblings) I insisted on a professional appraisal and a written contract--and I adhered to it. Documents can help prevent problems. The marriage analogy is also a good one. Marry in haste, repent at leisure, as they say. This goes for boat deals. It's important to know who you're dealing with and what kinds of conflicts you might anticipate, so you can deal with them in advance. But it's equally important to know yourself, so you can deal with your own idiosyncrasies adequately. Some people probably are not suitable for shared ownership. I'd probably be a miserable boat partner. What I see as charming priorities would probably seem like wretched obsessions to somebody else. When you are the skipper (nautical word for "person who writes the checks"), you can be boss and decider. Chris Campbell > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Been there and done that.... On 2/4/09 12:32 PM, "Wyatt Hendricks" <wh… [at] avtechmed.com> wrote: > > > > My sweetheart of 11 years, Ann and I share ownership of a CAL2-46, 2 > businesses, a house, 3 cars and just like any other partnership, it has it¹s > challenges. > > For 6 months now I¹ve been trying to find the gawldang swaging tool on the > boat and I¹m positive she has hidden it from me. > > I¹m equally positive that as soon as I drop a hundred bucks to replace it that > it will reveal it¹s location, > > and that that location will be where I hid it from myself! 8-) > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Husar, Charlie [USA] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:08 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Ownership > > > I think it very important to be able to find what I want where I expect > it to be on the boat. More critical on a boat, especially for emergency > gear and sometimes for racing. Also, I don't want to have to clean my > stuff out of the boat every time I leave it. Never had a boat > partnership, but have seen a number of them cave in (and a number > apparently succeed). Was engaged once. Never married. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Chris Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:01 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples (Mike) > > Donald Dutton wrote: >> > >> > >> > I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we > >> > drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. >> > Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is >> > protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands > >> > as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a >> > problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having >> > made the codicil. >> > >> > The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat >> > ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can >> > be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can >> > make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think > >> > marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that > >> > it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just >> > left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that > >> > she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would >> > get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! >> > Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a >> > nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the >> > plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in >> > the channel. > > Don: > > Your advice contains a lot of wisdom. I bought some vacation property > from my parents and to avoid hard feelings (including with the siblings) > I insisted on a professional appraisal and a written contract--and I > adhered to it. Documents can help prevent problems. > > The marriage analogy is also a good one. Marry in haste, repent at > leisure, as they say. This goes for boat deals. It's important to know > who you're dealing with and what kinds of conflicts you might > anticipate, so you can deal with them in advance. But it's equally > important to know yourself, so you can deal with your own idiosyncrasies > adequately. Some people probably are not suitable for shared ownership. > I'd probably be a miserable boat partner. What I see as charming > priorities would probably seem like wretched obsessions to somebody > else. When you are the skipper (nautical word for "person who writes > the checks"), you can be boss and decider. > > Chris Campbell >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Chris Thank you for the kind words I will pass them on to Bill Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples (Mike) Dave & Cathy Paulson wrote: Let me respond to a co-ownership in a Cal334 Bill Wooding and I Dave Paulson have owned to Cal a Cal 29 hull #74 and a Cal 334 we never have had an argument about money or doing work .Many times Bill cant make it to help because of his work load and I having more free time fill in. But when it comes time for a big purchase item he is always there to make up the difference. We never have had a problem with who has paid more . We alternate months on the slip fee he pays the taxes and I pay the insurance and hull cleaning fees. I use the boat more then him and Randy alcorn has enjoy the use he has had. so to some up dont sweat the small bucks as long as we have fun. Dave: You and Bill must be the kind of guys who get through life with a minimum of conflict and a maximum of good spirits. You are the kind of folks that we love to have for neighbors or crew mates or relatives. Life is so much more rewarding when you have learned the arts of compromise, consideration, thoughtfulness, and obligation. As a lawyer, I see so many folks who do not have these skills. Their lives are filled with conflict, most of it unnecessary and a good part of it self-inflicted. Pat yourself on the back for being able to get along with your boat partner and thank him for his qualities. You cannot imagine how much better your life is for being that way until you meet the high-conflict folks. Be grateful for parents or whoever taught you to get along. Teach your kids the same skills. I know a lot of interesting people, people who are friends, but not necessarily people I would want to partner with in a boat. They might not necessarily be high-conflict folks, but their personalities might not quite fit mine. Those are the cases that lead to unhappiness. Anybody who's contemplating a boat partnership needs to think carefully about whether they know the other people well enough to assess their personalities accurately, and whether they are self-aware enough to assess themselves with some accuracy. Chris Campbell

Proof positive that Murphy lives and thrives! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Wyatt Hendricks <wh… [at] avtechmed.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:32:06 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Ownership My sweetheart of 11 years, Ann and I share ownership of a CAL2-46, 2 businesses, a house, 3 cars and just like any other partnership, it has it’s challenges. For 6 months now I’ve been trying to find the gawldang swaging tool on the boat and I’m positive she has hidden it from me. I’m equally positive that as soon as I drop a hundred bucks to replace it that it will reveal it’s location, and that that location will be where I hid it from myself! 8-) From:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [ USA ] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:08 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Ownership I think it very important to be able to find what I want where I expect it to be on the boat. More critical on a boat, especially for emergency gear and sometimes for racing. Also, I don't want to have to clean my stuff out of the boat every time I leave it. Never had a boat partnership, but have seen a number of them cave in (and a number apparently succeed). Was engaged once. Never married. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] joint ownership examples (Mike) Donald Dutton wrote: > > > I have borrowed money from my father twice in my life and each time we > drew up a loan agreement and signed it before a dime changed hands. > Should either of us have an accident or become deceased the other is > protected. And should either make an errant claim the document stands > as the ultimate test. It simply added comfort as there was never a > problem or disagreement to be solved, but we both felt better having > made the codicil. > > The stories from each respondent in this thread make joint boat > ownership sound rather like marriage. Finding the right partner can > be tricky -- the right one is very rewarding and the wrong one can > make life a living hell. My brother (31 years) and I (28 years) think > marriage is great! We've had our bumps, but the years cited show that > it can have wonderful rewards. My sister, on the other hand, just > left her 3rd marriage last year and is living with a divorced man that > she just met. If you asked her how wonderful marriage is you would > get a completely different perspective from her brothers' views! > Thus, you have gotten answers telling you a joint ownership is a > nightmare and answers saying it is wonderful. If you do take the > plunge I side on having a written contract to help ease any waves in > the channel. Don: Your advice contains a lot of wisdom. I bought some vacation property from my parents and to avoid hard feelings (including with the siblings) I insisted on a professional appraisal and a written contract--and I adhered to it. Documents can help prevent problems. The marriage analogy is also a good one. Marry in haste, repent at leisure, as they say. This goes for boat deals. It's important to know who you're dealing with and what kinds of conflicts you might anticipate, so you can deal with them in advance. But it's equally important to know yourself, so you can deal with your own idiosyncrasies adequately. Some people probably are not suitable for shared ownership. I'd probably be a miserable boat partner. What I see as charming priorities would probably seem like wretched obsessions to somebody else. When you are the skipper (nautical word for "person who writes the checks"), you can be boss and decider. Chris Campbell > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@...> wrote: > > Anyone out here in CAL land have experience in joint yacht ownership? Pros/cons you would be willing to share? Sample agreement terms on the getting in, maintenance and expenses, getting out, random contingencies, etc? One basic principle I decided on was to avoid buying a boat with a partner that you could not afford to own by yourself. That way, if the partnership doesn't work out, you don't have to sell it to resolve the partnership. I've bought out partners before. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > thanks! >

corollary: for what you would pay for a boat in partnersip you can buy a good boat as sole owner, maybe a little older, and avoid the pitfalls of joint ownership reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mt… [at] cox.net Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:42:28 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: joint ownership examples --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Mike Taylor <r_michael_taylor@...> wrote: > > Anyone out here in CAL land have experience in joint yacht ownership? Pros/cons you would be willing to share? Sample agreement terms on the getting in, maintenance and expenses, getting out, random contingencies, etc? One basic principle I decided on was to avoid buying a boat with a partner that you could not afford to own by yourself. That way, if the partnership doesn't work out, you don't have to sell it to resolve the partnership. I've bought out partners before. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > thanks! >