DYK_CAL History

I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca.

Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh easily over quadruple that! From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca.

I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh easily over quadruple that! From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca.

Thanks Read, I was trying to remember everything he told me. Can I blame it on rum? Randy --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:44 AM I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh easily over quadruple that! From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca.

Randy, It's a perfect day for a sail.. I'm headed up with the little lady to go out for a few hours.. You coming or what! Eric Jackson (310)990-6104 On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Read, > > I was trying to remember everything he told me. > > Can I blame it on rum? > > Randy > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:44 AM > > I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@yahoo. com > > > From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History > > Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh > easily over quadruple that! > > From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> > To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History > > I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. > > Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? > > Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a > CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. > > After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and > they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it > weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a > bigger boat. > > Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked > up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. > > Randy > CAl 2-29 > Outy Patient > Channel Islands Ca. > > > > >

Are we talking about the same Ernie Wink from San Pedro, he may have operated "Shelter Point?" back in the 70's. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Read Howarth To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh easily over quadruple that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3917 (20090307) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Randy You can blame everything on rum. ;-) Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 06:56:54 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History Thanks Read, I was trying to remember everything he told me. Can I blame it on rum? Randy --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:44 AM I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh easily over quadruple that! From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca.

Sorry I missed you guys, we had a race, we sailed a 13 mile course. I am not sure what palce we got, maybe a 3rd. Going out today? --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Eric Jackson <er… [at] mac.com> wrote: From: Eric Jackson <er… [at] mac.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Perfect day for a sail To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:32 AM Randy, It's a perfect day for a sail.. I'm headed up with the little lady to go out for a few hours.. You coming or what! Eric Jackson (310)990-6104 On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> wrote: Thanks Read, I was trying to remember everything he told me. Can I blame it on rum? Randy --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:44 AM I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh easily over quadruple that! From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would buy one. After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted a bigger boat. Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest is history. Randy CAl 2-29 Outy Patient Channel Islands Ca.

congratulations.. no matter what place, you won a great day of sailing.... we just went out around gina and back.. i figured you would be racing.. didnt want to bother you with radio chatter... we circled gina at the same time that big fast red guy did.. wish i had my camera.. saw a few great shots.. unfortunately didnt get a chance to see you... had to get back by 2... that was some nice wind.. cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Randy Alcorn wrote: > > Sorry I missed you guys, we had a race, we sailed a 13 mile course. > I am not sure what palce we got, maybe a 3rd. > > Going out today? > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Eric Jackson <er… [at] mac.com> wrote: > From: Eric Jackson <er… [at] mac.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Perfect day for a sail > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:32 AM > > Randy, > It's a perfect day for a sail.. I'm headed up with the little lady > to go out for a few hours.. > You coming or what! > > Eric Jackson > (310)990-6104 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> wrote: > >> Thanks Read, >> >> I was trying to remember everything he told me. >> >> Can I blame it on rum? >> >> Randy >> >> --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> wrote: >> From: Read Howarth <rshowarth@yahoo. com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:44 AM >> >> I trust he meant the swing keel weighed 400 lbs >> >> Read S. Howarth >> Moorestown, New Jersey >> rshowarth@yahoo. com >> >> >> From: Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:32:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History >> >> Wow, living in a 400lb boat is hard core, our Cal 20 must weigh >> easily over quadruple that! >> >> From: Randy Alcorn <saylorran@yahoo. com> >> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:46:13 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] DYK_CAL History >> >> I always talk to a gent in our yacht club, by the name of Walter. >> >> Did you know he was the first person to buy a CAL? >> >> Apparently Jack Jensen and Ernie Fink (?(Wink)) was going to build >> a CAL 24 in the Santa Monica airport, Walter told them he would >> buy one. >> >> After his purchase, him and his wife took off for the Caribean and >> they lived on it for a while. The boat had a swing keel and it >> weighed 400 lbs. After they got back to SOCAL, Walters wife wanted >> a bigger boat. >> >> Soooooo, Ernie wanted out and Jack gave him the boat. Then he >> hooked up with Bill Lapworth. Bill built the CAL 40 and the rest >> is history. >> >> Randy >> CAl 2-29 >> Outy Patient >> Channel Islands Ca. >> >> >> >> > > >

It is official, we got a third, 1st place was Kevin Dickmans, CAL 25, "Zumma Jay". The winds really layed down on the downward leg, we sailed off the wind hoping to be able to pick up speed on a reach, however the wind shifted back to the northwest and the Capri 25 passed us just before the finish line. The CAL 25, well, you know the syaing, if you can see them, most likely they have won. Kevin closed in on us in the very light airs and it was enough to correct out. I think the 3 of us finished within a few minutes of each other. For some reason, I could not tack yesterday. I must of blew 3 or 4 tacks, but we were the first boat to Gina in our class. Once we rounded the rig the wind really slowed down, I ended up putting up the patched up light air number one to keep it out of the water. Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, we rounded Gina with a pod of 4-5 whales, they surfaced and gave us the flukes I don't know how many times. They stayed beside us for almost a mile. It was another beautiful day out thier today as well, I rode my bicycle down there but only ended up cleaning up after last night. Doug started making rum and cokes and the night was full of stories and bragging. I saw Clay take out his CAL 34 today, he put up baby netting. Maybe he will start coming out with us. Have Fun Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Chanel Islands Ca

I was visiting in LA recently and sailed aboard the Lynx (www.privateerlynx.org) out of Ventura on a Sunday afternoon. I did not see any Cals out there. Where is Channel Islands in relation to Ventura? Is this a Yacht Club, Town or just a reference to the Channel Islands? Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:28:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Perfect day for a sail It is official, we got a third, 1st place was Kevin Dickmans, CAL 25, "Zumma Jay". The winds really layed down on the downward leg, we sailed off the wind hoping to be able to pick up speed on a reach, however the wind shifted back to the northwest and the Capri 25 passed us just before the finish line. The CAL 25, well, you know the syaing, if you can see them, most likely they have won. Kevin closed in on us in the very light airs and it was enough to correct out. I think the 3 of us finished within a few minutes of each other. For some reason, I could not tack yesterday. I must of blew 3 or 4 tacks, but we were the first boat to Gina in our class. Once we rounded the rig the wind really slowed down, I ended up putting up the patched up light air number one to keep it out of the water. Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, we rounded Gina with a pod of 4-5 whales, they surfaced and gave us the flukes I don't know how many times. They stayed beside us for almost a mile. It was another beautiful day out thier today as well, I rode my bicycle down there but only ended up cleaning up after last night. Doug started making rum and cokes and the night was full of stories and bragging. I saw Clay take out his CAL 34 today, he put up baby netting. Maybe he will start coming out with us. Have Fun Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Chanel Islands Ca

read, the channel islands are a group of islands off the coast of southern california.. if you sailed out of ventura then you might have seen anacapa or santa cruz island, if it was a clear day.. they are a group of 6 islands that make up a national park http:// www.nps.gov/chis/ also the harbor that we dock our boats at is called "channel islands harbor" http://www.channelislandsharbor.org/ its just a few miles down the coast southeast of ventura harbor... the lynx is now over in channel islands harbor.. it was docked at the whales tail dock on saturday afternoon.. looks like a spectacular ship to be aboard.. hope this clears up any confusion.. cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. ps... randy, nice 3rd.. im hoping that cole will join us more now that he has his engine up and running well.. baby netting is a start.. On Mar 9, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Read Howarth wrote: > > I was visiting in LA recently and sailed aboard the Lynx > (www.privateerlynx.org) out of Ventura on a Sunday afternoon. I > did not see any Cals out there. > > Where is Channel Islands in relation to Ventura? Is this a Yacht > Club, Town or just a reference to the Channel Islands? > > Read > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > > From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:28:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Perfect day for a sail > > > It is official, we got a third, 1st place was Kevin Dickmans, CAL > 25, "Zumma Jay". The winds really layed down on the downward leg, > we sailed off the wind hoping to be able to pick up speed on a > reach, however the wind shifted back to the northwest and the Capri > 25 passed us just before the finish line. The CAL 25, well, you > know the syaing, if you can see them, most likely they have won. > Kevin closed in on us in the very light airs and it was enough to > correct out. I think the 3 of us finished within a few minutes of > each other. > > For some reason, I could not tack yesterday. I must of blew 3 or 4 > tacks, but we were the first boat to Gina in our class. Once we > rounded the rig the wind really slowed down, I ended up putting up > the patched up light air number one to keep it out of the water. > > Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, we rounded Gina with a pod of 4-5 > whales, they surfaced and gave us the flukes I don't know how many > times. They stayed beside us for almost a mile. > > It was another beautiful day out thier today as well, I rode my > bicycle down there but only ended up cleaning up after last night. > Doug started making rum and cokes and the night was full of stories > and bragging. > > I saw Clay take out his CAL 34 today, he put up baby netting. Maybe > he will start coming out with us. > > Have Fun > > Randy > CAL 2-29 > Out Patient > Chanel Islands Ca > > > > >

Eric Thanks Yes I did see them. We came about before we reached them. It was a fun and interesting sail. I did see an International Folkboat. Very pretty hull. Unfortunately no whales. Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Eric Jackson <er… [at] mac.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:13:07 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Perfect day for a sail read, the channel islands are a group of islands off the coast of southern california.. if you sailed out of ventura then you might have seen anacapa or santa cruz island, if it was a clear day.. they are a group of 6 islands that make up a national park http:// www.nps.gov/chis/ also the harbor that we dock our boats at is called "channel islands harbor" http://www.channelislandsharbor.org/ its just a few miles down the coast southeast of ventura harbor... the lynx is now over in channel islands harbor.. it was docked at the whales tail dock on saturday afternoon.. looks like a spectacular ship to be aboard.. hope this clears up any confusion.. cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. ps... randy, nice 3rd.. im hoping that cole will join us more now that he has his engine up and running well.. baby netting is a start.. On Mar 9, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Read Howarth wrote: > > I was visiting in LA recently and sailed aboard the Lynx > (www.privateerlynx.org) out of Ventura on a Sunday afternoon. I > did not see any Cals out there. > > Where is Channel Islands in relation to Ventura? Is this a Yacht > Club, Town or just a reference to the Channel Islands? > > Read > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > > From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:28:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Perfect day for a sail > > > It is official, we got a third, 1st place was Kevin Dickmans, CAL > 25, "Zumma Jay". The winds really layed down on the downward leg, > we sailed off the wind hoping to be able to pick up speed on a > reach, however the wind shifted back to the northwest and the Capri > 25 passed us just before the finish line. The CAL 25, well, you > know the syaing, if you can see them, most likely they have won. > Kevin closed in on us in the very light airs and it was enough to > correct out. I think the 3 of us finished within a few minutes of > each other. > > For some reason, I could not tack yesterday. I must of blew 3 or 4 > tacks, but we were the first boat to Gina in our class. Once we > rounded the rig the wind really slowed down, I ended up putting up > the patched up light air number one to keep it out of the water. > > Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, we rounded Gina with a pod of 4-5 > whales, they surfaced and gave us the flukes I don't know how many > times. They stayed beside us for almost a mile. > > It was another beautiful day out thier today as well, I rode my > bicycle down there but only ended up cleaning up after last night. > Doug started making rum and cokes and the night was full of stories > and bragging. > > I saw Clay take out his CAL 34 today, he put up baby netting. Maybe > he will start coming out with us. > > Have Fun > > Randy > CAL 2-29 > Out Patient > Chanel Islands Ca > > > > >