Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: 33-2 Spinaker

My Cal 33-2 spinnaker setup is similar to the previous poster's (Hfein). In fact, I wonder if the previous poster was Howard from CT who graciously showed me his Cal 33-2 at Figawi many years again. He had a neat ring/slider for the inboard end of the pole which fits into the forward groves on the Isomat mast and allows the pole to be adjusted to any height. Very useful for controlling spinnaker shape. It also allows the pole to be stored vertically on the mast, which frees up space on the relatively small Cal 33 foredeck. I purchased the same slider/ring for the pole on my boat. We typically use separate spinnaker sheets and afterguys (total of 4 lines) when racing, all of which go through removable snatchblocks that lead to cockpit winches. I mounted folding padeyes for the sheet blocks on side decks close to the front rail of the stern pulpit. Snatch blocks for the afterguys are attached to the midship stanchion bases. I also installed a second pair winches which makes things go smoother in the transition from jib/genny to spinnaker. My foreguy (pole downhaul) goes from the base of the mast through a snatchblock on the bottom bridle of the pole and either back to the mast base or to a padeye near the bow (i.e. inverted-V). My best advise is that before you permanently attach any hardware on the deck, you use removable blocks tied down with small lines to see that there is a good lead for the sheets and guys on all points of sail with spinnaker up. best, Bill Terrell, '88 Cal 33-2, "Tupelo Honey" --- On Mon, 3/23/09, hfein1 <hf… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: hfein1 <hf… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 33-2 Spinaker To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:53 AM --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Ronald Eddleman <ron_1056@.. .> wrote: > > All knowing Cal Group: > > I am prepearing my 1988 Cal 33-2 to fly a spinnaker. Has anyone rigged this boat for a spinnaker and if so Ineed info on location of the sheet blocks as well as the down haul for the pole. I have the spin halyard, topping lift, spin sheets and spinnaker already. Just a few more items and I am ready to learn how to fly this thing. > > Thanks > Ron E > S/V Stellar of Course > Kemah,Texas > I have an 89 33-2 that I rigged and race with a chute. Even though it is a symmetrical chute I set it up with a removable sock so that I can preset and use it in light air, singlehanded. Sheet blocks went on the rear corners. I put a backing plate and pad-eye on center between the anchor door and the front hatch. Attached to this is a removable spring stand-up block(this is part of a vang, which gives me purchase). Line is run using cheek block and bullets along the cabin side back to cockpit. I use a snatch block attached to a midships cleat for guys. It's nice to see activity on Cal 33-2s.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Bill Terrell <bterrell3@...> wrote: > > My Cal 33-2 spinnaker setup is similar to the previous poster's (Hfein). In fact, I wonder if the previous poster was Howard from CT who graciously showed me his Cal 33-2 at Figawi many years again. He had a neat ring/slider for the inboard end of the pole which fits into the forward groves on the Isomat mast and allows the pole to be adjusted to any height. Very useful for controlling spinnaker shape. It also allows the pole to be stored vertically on the mast, which frees up space on the relatively small Cal 33 foredeck. I purchased the same slider/ring for the pole on my boat. > > We typically use separate spinnaker sheets and afterguys (total of 4 lines) when racing, all of which go through removable snatchblocks that lead to cockpit winches. I mounted folding padeyes for the sheet blocks on side decks close to the front rail of the stern pulpit. Snatch blocks for the afterguys are attached to the midship stanchion bases. I also installed a second pair winches which makes things go smoother in the transition from jib/genny to spinnaker. My foreguy (pole downhaul) goes from the base of the mast through a snatchblock on the bottom bridle of the pole and either back to the mast base or to a padeye near the bow (i.e. inverted-V). > > My best advise is that before you permanently attach any hardware on the deck, you use removable blocks tied down with small lines to see that there is a good lead for the sheets and guys on all points of sail with spinnaker up. > > best, > Bill Terrell, > '88 Cal 33-2, "Tupelo Honey" > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, hfein1 <hfein1@...> wrote: > > > From: hfein1 <hfein1@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 33-2 Spinaker > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Ronald Eddleman <ron_1056@ .> wrote: > > > > All knowing Cal Group: > > > > I am prepearing my 1988 Cal 33-2 to fly a spinnaker. Has anyone rigged this boat for a spinnaker and if so Ineed info on location of the sheet blocks as well as the down haul for the pole. I have the spin halyard, topping lift, spin sheets and spinnaker already. Just a few more items and I am ready to learn how to fly this thing. > > > > Thanks > > Ron E > > S/V Stellar of Course > > Kemah,Texas > > > I have an 89 33-2 that I rigged and race with a chute. Even though it is a symmetrical chute I set it up with a removable sock so that I can preset and use it in light air, singlehanded. Sheet blocks went on the rear corners. I put a backing plate and pad-eye on center between the anchor door and the front hatch. Attached to this is a removable spring stand-up block(this is part of a vang, which gives me purchase). Line is run using cheek block and bullets along the cabin side back to cockpit. I use a snatch block attached to a midships cleat for guys. It's nice to see activity on Cal 33-2s. > Hi Bill, I am the same person from Fagawi. I'm glad the setup worked for you. Howard

Dear CAL 33 gurus: One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... Jeff '72 Cal 33

Jeffrey, The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib! I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position. This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast. It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts! If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well. If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing. My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side. If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward! The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit. But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks. If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car. Then replace them back where they were on the deck. To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership. However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have. I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible! It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater! I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland. I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Jeffrey owen <je… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks Dear CAL 33 gurus: One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... Jeff '72 Cal 33

Donald - Where did you keep your boat on the Eastern Shore?? I live in Salisbury and sail out of Cambridge. Paul West Adventure Kwest Cal 39 From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Jeffrey, The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets.? This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib!? I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position.? This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast.? It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts! If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well.? If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing.? My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side.? If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward! The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit.? But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks.? If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car.? Then replace them back where they were on the deck.? To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat! ? Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS? I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership.? However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have.? I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible!? It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater!? I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland.? I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Jeffrey owen <je… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks Dear CAL 33 gurus: ? One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners!? I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... ? Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. ? Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... ? Jeff '72 Cal 33

Donald Dutton wrote: > Jeffrey, > > The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location > for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in > this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also > to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm > main working against a great pointing jib! Just a comment... I don't have a 33 so this doesn't really pertain to my boat, but this kind of assistance is what makes this Cal list so valuable. We have a mix of new and old sailors who can share advice. Don, you went on for several paragraphs, sharing your empirical knowledge about what makes your boat sail well. Now somebody else doesn't have to learn the hard way. Or maybe somebody has a different perspective. It's all a learning experience and a teaching opportunity, isn't it? Good work, guys. And even when we have the occasional political digressions, they're mostly into the politics of things that affect us, like West Marine ( a topic that I spout off on from time to time) or marinas or waterways. I know that I learn a lot from reading things that people post here. Chris Campbell

Donald: Thanks for your feedback, a simple solution to this problem! My current t-tracks and blocks are in good shape, I'll jus add a block to eliminate the line rubbing. I am completely rebuilding my project Cal, and have sanded my way to discovery. My doubt came up originally when I sanded down the deck, and found that t-track holes were at some time drilled along the toe rails - could it be that those tracks were for spinakker blocks? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for spelling out the reasoning behind the location. When I bought "Windie Elsie", I sailed her for a couple of months with my wife along the southern and western coasts of Puerto Rico. Allthough I am not an experienced sailor, I loved the way she handled in different conditions, and decided it was worth overhauling her. So I hauled her to my business, and spend an inordinate ammount of time working on her - my secretary suggested I install a phone extension in the boat! I think it will be another six months before I get her back in the water - there is a lot of work to be done, but I enjoy it a lot, and have found this to be - so far - a great learning experience. I appreciate your feedback, the same goes to all! Best regards Jeff '72 Cal 33 From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:59:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Jeffrey, The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib! I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position. This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast. It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts! If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well. If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing. My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side. If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward! The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit. But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks. If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car. Then replace them back where they were on the deck. To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership. However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have. I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible! It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater! I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland. I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Jeffrey owen <jeffrey_a_owen@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks Dear CAL 33 gurus: One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... Jeff '72 Cal 33

Jeff ... do you have any idea what hull number you are of the Cal-33's ? My second long-distance race was aboard Cal-33 #1, called "Counterpoint" back then, and the race was from Long Beach, CA to La Paz, Baja California, Mexico. 1971. The boat was owned then by Dick Deaver, who owned and ran the local North Sails loft. Jack Jensen was part of the crew. You've got a great boat. If in doubt about lead angles, talk to a sail-maker from a major brand. They've all got the rig, sail plan, and deck lay-outs, and may have some interesting advice. One of the best "upgrades" I made with Radiant was having a full-hoist #3 for when the breeze is in the 15 knot + range, which I expect you see with some frequency. Does anyone know what might have become of Cal-33 #1 ? Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey owen<mailto:je… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Donald: Thanks for your feedback, a simple solution to this problem! My current t-tracks and blocks are in good shape, I'll jus add a block to eliminate the line rubbing. I am completely rebuilding my project Cal, and have sanded my way to discovery. My doubt came up originally when I sanded down the deck, and found that t-track holes were at some time drilled along the toe rails - could it be that those tracks were for spinakker blocks? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for spelling out the reasoning behind the location. When I bought "Windie Elsie", I sailed her for a couple of months with my wife along the southern and western coasts of Puerto Rico. Allthough I am not an experienced sailor, I loved the way she handled in different conditions, and decided it was worth overhauling her. So I hauled her to my business, and spend an inordinate ammount of time working on her - my secretary suggested I install a phone extension in the boat! I think it will be another six months before I get her back in the water - there is a lot of work to be done, but I enjoy it a lot, and have found this to be - so far - a great learning experience. I appreciate your feedback, the same goes to all! Best regards Jeff '72 Cal 33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:59:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Jeffrey, The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib! I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position. This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast. It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts! If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well. If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing. My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side. If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward! The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit. But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks. If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car. Then replace them back where they were on the deck. To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership. However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have. I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible! It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater! I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland. I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Jeffrey owen <jeffrey_a_owen@ yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com/>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://ps.com/> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks Dear CAL 33 gurus: One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... Jeff '72 Cal 33

Hello to all: Another consultation here - I have cut the floor pan out to replace the beam - currently being fabricated. As soon as I place it, I will install the main bulkheads, and here goes my question - I replaced the forward bulkheads, aft end of the v-berth, and they were originally built with about a 3/4" gap between the edge of the bulkhead and the hull - I built them the same, albeit w/ a smaller gap, and tabbed them with mat and woven glass tape over it. Now the main bulkheads were built w/ the same gap, except the gap was filled with chopped glass w resin to make a direct fillet to the hull. I get the impression the gap is usually left to allow a degree of flexibility of the hull at the joints - should I built bulkheads that meet the hull, or leave a gap? Thanks to all... Jeff '72 cal 33 From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:56:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 Jeff ... do you have any idea what hull number you are of the Cal-33's ? My second long-distance race was aboard Cal-33 #1, called "Counterpoint" back then, and the race was from Long Beach, CA to La Paz, Baja California, Mexico. 1971. The boat was owned then by Dick Deaver, who owned and ran the local North Sails loft. Jack Jensen was part of the crew. You've got a great boat. If in doubt about lead angles, talk to a sail-maker from a major brand. They've all got the rig, sail plan, and deck lay-outs, and may have some interesting advice. One of the best "upgrades" I made with Radiant was having a full-hoist #3 for when the breeze is in the 15 knot + range, which I expect you see with some frequency. Does anyone know what might have become of Cal-33 #1 ? Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA From: Jeffrey owen To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Donald: Thanks for your feedback, a simple solution to this problem! My current t-tracks and blocks are in good shape, I'll jus add a block to eliminate the line rubbing. I am completely rebuilding my project Cal, and have sanded my way to discovery. My doubt came up originally when I sanded down the deck, and found that t-track holes were at some time drilled along the toe rails - could it be that those tracks were for spinakker blocks? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for spelling out the reasoning behind the location. When I bought "Windie Elsie", I sailed her for a couple of months with my wife along the southern and western coasts of Puerto Rico. Allthough I am not an experienced sailor, I loved the way she handled in different conditions, and decided it was worth overhauling her. So I hauled her to my business, and spend an inordinate ammount of time working on her - my secretary suggested I install a phone extension in the boat! I think it will be another six months before I get her back in the water - there is a lot of work to be done, but I enjoy it a lot, and have found this to be - so far - a great learning experience. I appreciate your feedback, the same goes to all! Best regards Jeff '72 Cal 33 From: Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:59:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Jeffrey, The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib! I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position. This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast. It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts! If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well. If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing. My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side. If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward! The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit. But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks. If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car. Then replace them back where they were on the deck. To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership. However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have. I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible! It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater! I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland. I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Jeffrey owen <jeffrey_a_owen@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks Dear CAL 33 gurus: One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... Jeff '72 Cal 33

Most likely any tracks on the toe rail were for spinnaker blocks. I have only flown an asymmetrical on our boat so there is a downhaul block between the anchor locker and the forestay with a large Harken ratchet block on a spring. I cut a port in the liner in the v-berth to put a backing plate behind the tang for this block and simply tie the trim line to a cleat forward. The sheet is lead aft under the last section of the stern pulpit and up to the main jib sheet winches. We don't fly the asymmetrical in anything over 15 knots as we don't race the Cal and it is usually my wife and myself with no furling sock, so this arrangement is adequate. I did fly it by myself all the way back from Shell Island to St. Andrews Bay Yacht Club in Panama City, FL when it was blowing 8 -10 knots, but it was a challenging take-down with no one on the helm but the wheel lock! By the way, I have installed a phone jack on the boat and the perfect location (for us) is on the starboard cabin side just aft of the main cabin bulkhead. I ran one line from their up to the v-berth and hung a phone on a hanging stainless jack just to the left of the latch for the v-berth door. We lead the second line aft behind the instrument block and just aft of the chart table and put a jack in the fiberglass tab for the liner that is the headliner in the 1/4 berth making a guest/chart table phone. While we lived aboard this made it possible (before the age of portable handsets ye snipers!) to talk on the phone in the v-berth while the children slept aft! The fitting was purchased through my ship's store when I was a dealer and is a standard Marinco phone/cable connecter. The cover closes with a positive latching twist and has never been touched by the jib sheets when underway and the mid-section location makes it easy to connect to a marina phone jack no matter how the boat is tied up. Of course, nowadays, you would only need one jack probably right there on the bulkhead with portable handsets for anyone who needs it. Wouldn't work for us though, since we have a 10,000 BTU Dickinson diesel heater mounted on tile on that bulkhead. Good boating! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Jeffrey owen <je… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:03:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Donald: Thanks for your feedback, a simple solution to this problem! My current t-tracks and blocks are in good shape, I'll jus add a block to eliminate the line rubbing. I am completely rebuilding my project Cal, and have sanded my way to discovery. My doubt came up originally when I sanded down the deck, and found that t-track holes were at some time drilled along the toe rails - could it be that those tracks were for spinakker blocks? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for spelling out the reasoning behind the location. When I bought "Windie Elsie", I sailed her for a couple of months with my wife along the southern and western coasts of Puerto Rico. Allthough I am not an experienced sailor, I loved the way she handled in different conditions, and decided it was worth overhauling her. So I hauled her to my business, and spend an inordinate ammount of time working on her - my secretary suggested I install a phone extension in the boat! I think it will be another six months before I get her back in the water - there is a lot of work to be done, but I enjoy it a lot, and have found this to be - so far - a great learning experience. I appreciate your feedback, the same goes to all! Best regards Jeff '72 Cal 33 F

Paul, We kept our boat at a marina on Kent Narrows on the eastern side of the channel north of Route 50. Neither my wife nor I can remember the name of the marina right now, (think the slip was J-39) but there was a great restaurant nearby called Annie's (best lobster bisque I have ever eaten) and one south of Route 50 called the Fisherman's Wharf (I think) that had picnic tables that were piled high with crabs, clams, mussels, lobster, etc. and was a true joy on a summer evening! We could exit a long crooked channel to the north into the Chester River if the tide was mid to high and we could go through the draw bridge and go south to the Miles River, St. Michael's, etc. at any time. We loved our two years there, but the three hour drive was prohibitive so we moved the boat back to New Jersey. But the anchoring out on the tributaries of the Miles (especially by Pam Shriver's estate) and the bald eagles nest that we anchored next to on the Chester River will never be forgotten in our sailing resume! We took a vacation one year where I sailed the Chester River for a week with my daughters (then 8 and 6 1/2) and anchored on a different creek every night. I rowed the girls into a "private" beach each day, went back to the boat and read a book while watching them play on the shore. What a trip!! I then went back to the marina and picked up my wife for the second week of our vacation and sailed to Baltimore and anchored in the Inner Harbor for my eldest's 9th birthday. We left there and docked at Annapolis, toured the Naval Academy, and ate at one of the fine restaurants near the marina after watching a filming of a winter scene for "Homicide" in the middle of July! The snow looked real with fire trucks keeping the streets wet. We then sailed over to Oxford and anchored for three days. When rowing in to shore on our dinghy we never walked more than 3 blocks before a local offered us a ride! The sail back home from Oxford had fair winds for the cruising asymmetrical most of the way and is one of the best sails we have ever had as a family! Love the Chesapeake! Don Dutton, Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS We discovered Fawcetts while docked in Annapolis and I still have two Pusser's Rum tin cups from the restaurant across the marina from our dock. Think I might just go fill one now for old times sake. PPS I never once ran aground on the Chesapeake and I'm not lying!! We did not have a depth sounder and I sailed faithfully by the charts and our Loran plotting our location every hour. We also learned to follow other boats of similar size and, since there were always lots of boats out, we could always see anyone having trouble and steer a different route. Luck also certainly helped. "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:16:06 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Fawcetts / Eastern Shore (Donald) Donald - Where did you keep your boat on the Eastern Shore? I live in Salisbury and sail out of Cambridge. Paul West Adventure Kwest Cal 39 From: Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment Jeffrey, The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib! I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position. This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast. It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts! If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well. If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing. My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side. If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward! The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit. But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks. If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car. Then replace them back where they were on the deck. To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership. However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have. I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible! It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater! I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland. I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Jeffrey owen <jeffrey_a_owen@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks Dear CAL 33 gurus: One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked... Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Gracias to all from Puerto Rico.... Jeff '72 Cal 33 The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!