Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California

I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

If time off is an issue and you do need to truck it, get in contact with several companies right away and give them a 2-3 week window on both ends and you can reduce your price substantially. When I bought my Cal 39 it was in Camden, ME and I needed it in Cambridge, MD. Even giving them a window I got prices from $4000 to $2700. I took the $2700 price as they were reputable and they got my boat to me within a few days of the exact date I wanted. In case anyone is wondering why I didn't sail it, the boat was on the hard with the mast out and more importantly it was January. By trucking it, I had all winter to do bottom repairs and go over the boat. I had a clause in the contract to allow me to leave $5000 in escrow in case there was anything wrong with the engine and was able to delay the engine survey until June. Paul West Adventure Kwest Cal 39 **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k)

Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, is is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. Make sure you gear and stomach is strong! [cid:411165616@27032009-2EC4] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

Sorry for the grammar and spelling errors.. I was in a hurry. Have proper charts. Make sure you have or borrow an offshore "Kit" Liferaft, Epirb, Solas Flares and smokers. (visit PIYA http://www.ussailing.net/piya/new/cat_cert.html site) to particulars on offshore requirements or suggestions for preparation. First time preparation of a boat to meet these standards is~@ $10-15,000. If you do this sail, select, plot and pre-programmed all the safe ports for entry along the way into your GPS before leaving the dock. We never get to select the conditions when we need to go in.. the ports along the way are typically " challenging" even during the daylight hours in clear visibility. Always have a spare "Emergency use only" fuel supply can, sailing into some of these harbors can be dicey, as they are very tidal, often River Mouths, and narrow. Also expect whenever you enter port, due to time constraints and crew experience (illness/fear), you will lose crew, and have to find replacements. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, it is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. Make sure your gear and stomachs are strong! [cid:313171818@27032009-2ECB] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

thank you all of the advise. Please keep it coming. The more I learn the more I am interested in trucking the boat due to the people currently available to crew. Any suggestions for finding a quality crew members? --- On Fri, 3/27/09, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:23 PM > Sorry for the grammar and spelling errors.. I was in a > hurry. > > Have proper charts. > > Make sure you have or borrow an offshore "Kit" > Liferaft, Epirb, Solas Flares and smokers. (visit PIYA > http://www.ussailing.net/piya/new/cat_cert.html site) to > particulars on offshore requirements or suggestions for > preparation. First time preparation of a boat to meet these > standards is~@ $10-15,000. > > If you do this sail, select, plot and pre-programmed all > the safe ports for entry along the way into your GPS before > leaving the dock. > > We never get to select the conditions when we need to go > in.. the ports along the way are typically " > challenging" even during the daylight hours in clear > visibility. > > Always have a spare "Emergency use only" fuel > supply can, sailing into some of these harbors can be dicey, > as they are very tidal, often River Mouths, and narrow. > > Also expect whenever you enter port, due to time > constraints and crew experience (illness/fear), you will > lose crew, and have to find replacements. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > ti… [at] ch2m.com > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to > So California > > > Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If > you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 > continuous days.. > > If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then > there will be port stops. > > I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery > there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at > Neah Bay would happen. > > Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to > sail, but depends on the season. > > If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of > stops. > > If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy > winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point > Arguello - "Point Conception" > > After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds > typically decrease as you get closer to LA. > > I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore > sailors if you do this in one shot. > > If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and > 20 foot seas might need everyone. > > If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, it is > usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only > a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? > > Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle > legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, > along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. > > Make sure your gear and stomachs are strong! > > > [cid:313171818@27032009-2ECB] > > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > So California > > > I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail > to SoCal? > > > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > ________________________________ > From: Gerald Sobel > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > So California > > I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less > global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as > crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead > in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, > originating in San Francisco, but that not be till > 'round late June or early July. > Best of Luck, > Jerry > Cal 24 Shpritz > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett > <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So > California > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from > Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your > suggestions are welcome.

How about if you jump from port to port anchoring in a protected harbor every possible evening? A Month? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:17:22 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, is is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. Make sure you gear and stomach is strong! [cid:411165616@27032009-2EC4] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

On Mar 27, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Beth Anna Cornett wrote: > > > thank you all of the advise. Please keep it coming. The more I learn > the more I am interested in trucking the boat due to the people > currently available to crew. Any suggestions for finding a quality > crew members? > The big problem, which Timm knows better than I do, is the combination of bad weather and a lack of safe harbors of refuge. Point Conception is known as the Cape Horn of the north Pacific because the weather changes abruptly once you pass it. There are a couple of races down from San Francisco to Catalina Island before Transpac, which my son has sailed in several times. Seattle to SF is a less commonly traveled route. The Cal 40 is perfectly capable of making the trip in safety with a few good crew, four anyway. I would expect to use storm sails and be prepared. You could even truck the boat to SF, then join the race to southern California. The worst is north of SF. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 6 > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com > > wrote: > > > From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So > California > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:23 PM > > Sorry for the grammar and spelling errors.. I was in a > > hurry. > > > > Have proper charts. > > > > Make sure you have or borrow an offshore "Kit" > > Liferaft, Epirb, Solas Flares and smokers. (visit PIYA > > http://www.ussailing.net/piya/new/cat_cert.html site) to > > particulars on offshore requirements or suggestions for > > preparation. First time preparation of a boat to meet these > > standards is~@ $10-15,000. > > > > If you do this sail, select, plot and pre-programmed all > > the safe ports for entry along the way into your GPS before > > leaving the dock. > > > > We never get to select the conditions when we need to go > > in.. the ports along the way are typically " > > challenging" even during the daylight hours in clear > > visibility. > > > > Always have a spare "Emergency use only" fuel > > supply can, sailing into some of these harbors can be dicey, > > as they are very tidal, often River Mouths, and narrow. > > > > Also expect whenever you enter port, due to time > > constraints and crew experience (illness/fear), you will > > lose crew, and have to find replacements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > ti… [at] ch2m.com > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to > > So California > > > > > > Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If > > you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 > > continuous days.. > > > > If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then > > there will be port stops. > > > > I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery > > there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at > > Neah Bay would happen. > > > > Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to > > sail, but depends on the season. > > > > If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of > > stops. > > > > If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy > > winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point > > Arguello - "Point Conception" > > > > After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds > > typically decrease as you get closer to LA. > > > > I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore > > sailors if you do this in one shot. > > > > If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and > > 20 foot seas might need everyone. > > > > If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, it is > > usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only > > a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? > > > > Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle > > legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, > > along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. > > > > Make sure your gear and stomachs are strong! > > > > > > [cid:313171818@27032009-2ECB] > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > So California > > > > > > I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail > > to SoCal? > > > > > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rs… [at] yahoo.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Gerald Sobel > > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) > > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > So California > > > > I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less > > global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as > > crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead > > in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, > > originating in San Francisco, but that not be till > > 'round late June or early July. > > Best of Luck, > > Jerry > > Cal 24 Shpritz > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett > > <be… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: bethannacornett <be… [at] yahoo.com> > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So > > California > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > > > We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from > > Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your > > suggestions are welcome. > >

The Coastal Cup is a great race. You'll need all the boat prep and good crew mentioned in Timm's great advice. Starts mid-June and blows 30ish the whole time. Big waves, too. Trucking the boat is very hard on it. Make sure it is prepped/packed very very very well. The trip down from Seattle is very bautiful coastline, I imagine, and would be beautiful (and chellenging) cruising. I wish I had the time. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Beth Anna Cornett wrote: > > > > > > > thank you all of the advise. Please keep it coming. The more I learn > > the more I am interested in trucking the boat due to the people > > currently available to crew. Any suggestions for finding a quality > > crew members? > > > > The big problem, which Timm knows better than I do, is the combination > of bad weather and a lack of safe harbors of refuge. Point Conception > is known as the Cape Horn of the north Pacific because the weather > changes abruptly once you pass it. There are a couple of races down > from San Francisco to Catalina Island before Transpac, which my son > has sailed in several times. Seattle to SF is a less commonly traveled > route. The Cal 40 is perfectly capable of making the trip in safety > with a few good crew, four anyway. I would expect to use storm sails > and be prepared. You could even truck the boat to SF, then join the > race to southern California. The worst is north of SF. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 6 > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, timmothy.lessley@... <timmothy.lessley@... > > > wrote: > > > > > From: timmothy.lessley@... <timmothy.lessley@...> > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So > > California > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:23 PM > > > Sorry for the grammar and spelling errors.. I was in a > > > hurry. > > > > > > Have proper charts. > > > > > > Make sure you have or borrow an offshore "Kit" > > > Liferaft, Epirb, Solas Flares and smokers. (visit PIYA > > > http://www.ussailing.net/piya/new/cat_cert.html site) to > > > particulars on offshore requirements or suggestions for > > > preparation. First time preparation of a boat to meet these > > > standards is~@ $10-15,000. > > > > > > If you do this sail, select, plot and pre-programmed all > > > the safe ports for entry along the way into your GPS before > > > leaving the dock. > > > > > > We never get to select the conditions when we need to go > > > in.. the ports along the way are typically " > > > challenging" even during the daylight hours in clear > > > visibility. > > > > > > Always have a spare "Emergency use only" fuel > > > supply can, sailing into some of these harbors can be dicey, > > > as they are very tidal, often River Mouths, and narrow. > > > > > > Also expect whenever you enter port, due to time > > > constraints and crew experience (illness/fear), you will > > > lose crew, and have to find replacements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > timmothy.lessley@... > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to > > > So California > > > > > > > > > Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If > > > you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 > > > continuous days.. > > > > > > If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then > > > there will be port stops. > > > > > > I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery > > > there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at > > > Neah Bay would happen. > > > > > > Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to > > > sail, but depends on the season. > > > > > > If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of > > > stops. > > > > > > If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy > > > winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point > > > Arguello - "Point Conception" > > > > > > After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds > > > typically decrease as you get closer to LA. > > > > > > I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore > > > sailors if you do this in one shot. > > > > > > If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and > > > 20 foot seas might need everyone. > > > > > > If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, it is > > > usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only > > > a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? > > > > > > Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle > > > legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, > > > along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. > > > > > > Make sure your gear and stomachs are strong! > > > > > > > > > [cid:313171818@27032009-2ECB] > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > > So California > > > > > > > > > I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail > > > to SoCal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > > rshowarth@... > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Gerald Sobel > > > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > > So California > > > > > > I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less > > > global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as > > > crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead > > > in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, > > > originating in San Francisco, but that not be till > > > 'round late June or early July. > > > Best of Luck, > > > Jerry > > > Cal 24 Shpritz > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett > > > <bethannacornett@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@...> > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So > > > California > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > > > > > > We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from > > > Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your > > > suggestions are welcome. > > > > >

Having made this trip the wrong way last summer. (San Pedro to Wash aboard a Freedom 44). I couldn't agree more with Tim and other's. It's a really long stretch of water. We were short handed and paid a price for that. We also were the luckiest crew on earth. The weather was beyond good. It took around ten days No layovers. Two stops for fuel. We had 110 gal fuel supply. Coming in for fuel was a planning pain in the rear. Lobster traps were everywhere in water less 300 ft deep. Gas docks hours of operation was a real concern. We wanted to keep moving and moving fast. The weather window was too good to lose. I think, if we fell off the pace we would have gotten pounded by the weather that was chasing us. One night in port would have added a week or more to the trip. The only other things I would add are Lobster traps, fog, cold and shipping and fishing traffic. On our trip other than the engine, Radar was the most tool on the boat. More than half the trip was with less than one mile visibility. The trip was a real adventure. A lot like childbirth. I have forgotten the pain and would do it again Chuck Second Fiddle --- On Fri, 3/27/09, michaelkennedy05 <mi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: michaelkennedy05 <mi… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 6:30 PM The Coastal Cup is a great race. You'll need all the boat prep and good crew mentioned in Timm's great advice. Starts mid-June and blows 30ish the whole time. Big waves, too. Trucking the boat is very hard on it. Make sure it is prepped/packed very very very well. The trip down from Seattle is very bautiful coastline, I imagine, and would be beautiful (and chellenging) cruising. I wish I had the time. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: > > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Beth Anna Cornett wrote: > > > > > > > thank you all of the advise. Please keep it coming. The more I learn > > the more I am interested in trucking the boat due to the people > > currently available to crew. Any suggestions for finding a quality > > crew members? > > > > The big problem, which Timm knows better than I do, is the combination > of bad weather and a lack of safe harbors of refuge. Point Conception > is known as the Cape Horn of the north Pacific because the weather > changes abruptly once you pass it. There are a couple of races down > from San Francisco to Catalina Island before Transpac, which my son > has sailed in several times. Seattle to SF is a less commonly traveled > route. The Cal 40 is perfectly capable of making the trip in safety > with a few good crew, four anyway. I would expect to use storm sails > and be prepared. You could even truck the boat to SF, then join the > race to southern California. The worst is north of SF. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 6 > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, timmothy.lessley@ ... <timmothy.lessley@ ... > > > wrote: > > > > > From: timmothy.lessley@ ... <timmothy.lessley@ ...> > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So > > California > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:23 PM > > > Sorry for the grammar and spelling errors.. I was in a > > > hurry. > > > > > > Have proper charts. > > > > > > Make sure you have or borrow an offshore "Kit" > > > Liferaft, Epirb, Solas Flares and smokers. (visit PIYA > > > http://www.ussailin g.net/piya/ new/cat_cert. html site) to > > > particulars on offshore requirements or suggestions for > > > preparation. First time preparation of a boat to meet these > > > standards is~@ $10-15,000. > > > > > > If you do this sail, select, plot and pre-programmed all > > > the safe ports for entry along the way into your GPS before > > > leaving the dock. > > > > > > We never get to select the conditions when we need to go > > > in.. the ports along the way are typically " > > > challenging" even during the daylight hours in clear > > > visibility. > > > > > > Always have a spare "Emergency use only" fuel > > > supply can, sailing into some of these harbors can be dicey, > > > as they are very tidal, often River Mouths, and narrow. > > > > > > Also expect whenever you enter port, due to time > > > constraints and crew experience (illness/fear) , you will > > > lose crew, and have to find replacements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of > > > timmothy.lessley@ ... > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to > > > So California > > > > > > > > > Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If > > > you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 > > > continuous days.. > > > > > > If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then > > > there will be port stops. > > > > > > I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery > > > there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at > > > Neah Bay would happen. > > > > > > Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to > > > sail, but depends on the season. > > > > > > If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of > > > stops. > > > > > > If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy > > > winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point > > > Arguello - "Point Conception" > > > > > > After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds > > > typically decrease as you get closer to LA. > > > > > > I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore > > > sailors if you do this in one shot. > > > > > > If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and > > > 20 foot seas might need everyone. > > > > > > If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, it is > > > usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only > > > a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? > > > > > > Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle > > > legs (Mendocino). . so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, > > > along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. > > > > > > Make sure your gear and stomachs are strong! > > > > > > > > > [cid:313171818@ 27032009- 2ECB] > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > > So California > > > > > > > > > I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail > > > to SoCal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > > rshowarth@.. . > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Gerald Sobel > > > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > > So California > > > > > > I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less > > > global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as > > > crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead > > > in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, > > > originating in San Francisco, but that not be till > > > 'round late June or early July. > > > Best of Luck, > > > Jerry > > > Cal 24 Shpritz > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett > > > <bethannacornett@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ ...> > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So > > > California > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > > > > > > We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from > > > Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your > > > suggestions are welcome. > > > > >

Tim's advice is spot on. I was crew on a Bruce Farr designed 50 footer from Tacoma to San Diego trip last year. Tim understates the wind /waves we hit. We planned on 12 days but were prepared for more. We turned back after 4 days out and headed back to Tacoma. Sad ending but a memorable trip I wouldn't have missed for the world. The advice of getting 4 offshore crew is also spot on. Pick your weather windows and crew and plan on a couple weeks. It is glorious out there! Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. > > If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. > > I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. > > Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. > > If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. > > If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" > > After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. > > I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. > > If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. > > If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, is is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? > > Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. > > Make sure you gear and stomach is strong! > > > [cid:411165616@27032009-2EC4] > > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California > > > I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? > > > > > Read S. Howarth > Moorestown, New Jersey > rshowarth@... > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > ________________________________ > From: Gerald Sobel > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California > > I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. > Best of Luck, > Jerry > Cal 24 Shpritz > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <bethannacornett@...> wrote: > > From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome. >

My thought is that the truck will be cheaper and easier. Your yard bill after sailing could easily be more than the cost of the truck. Are there still logs floating in the ocean along the Oregon coast? My dad hit one on a trip up the coast once. I tried to go up from Santa Barbara to San Francisco and ended up heading back to Santa Barbara and putting the boat on a truck. I remember that it was very difficult to sleep without straps to hold me in the bunk and the constant pounding is difficult on everyone but particurally on the owner. But, don't let me discourage you. Allen

On Mar 28, 2009, at 7:20 AM, xhpspd wrote: > My thought is that the truck will be cheaper and easier. Your yard > bill after sailing could easily be more than the cost of the truck. > Are there still logs floating in the ocean along the Oregon coast? > My dad hit one on a trip up the coast once. I tried to go up from > Santa Barbara to San Francisco and ended up heading back to Santa > Barbara and putting the boat on a truck. I remember that it was very > difficult to sleep without straps to hold me in the bunk and the > constant pounding is difficult on everyone but particurally on the > owner. > Coming south is usually a reach or run as the prevailing breeze is northwest. It may get very strong but shortening sail should keep things tolerable. I would not recommend going north if possible. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > But, don't let me discourage you. > > Allen > > >

I've only done a straight shot as part of a delivery crew from SF to Seattle, so I don't have personal knowledge about port jumping. This thread gives two cruising guides, one is for Oregon, the other the Pacific Coast. Claims to give anchorages and bar crossing info. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f23/cruising-guide-for-oregon-waters-11116.html John From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:01:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California How about if you jump from port to port anchoring in a protected harbor every possible evening? A Month? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:17:22 -0600 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, is is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino). . so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. Make sure you gear and stomach is strong! From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

Also, just remembered a friend singlehanded an F-24 from Seattle to SF last summer just to do the trip. If I remember right, he spent every evening but one in an anchorage. Had one day of sailing that he put out a drogue with bare poles to keep the speed reasonable. John From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:50:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California I've only done a straight shot as part of a delivery crew from SF to Seattle, so I don't have personal knowledge about port jumping. This thread gives two cruising guides, one is for Oregon, the other the Pacific Coast. Claims to give anchorages and bar crossing info. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f23/cruising-guide-for-oregon-waters-11116.html John From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:01:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California How about if you jump from port to port anchoring in a protected harbor every possible evening? A Month? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:17:22 -0600 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, is is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino). . so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. Make sure you gear and stomach is strong! From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

Looks like June might be a bit windy for an inexperienced crew. What would be the best weather/wind window time of year? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:57:53 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California Also, just remembered a friend singlehanded an F-24 from Seattle to SF last summer just to do the trip. If I remember right, he spent every evening but one in an anchorage. Had one day of sailing that he put out a drogue with bare poles to keep the speed reasonable. John From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:50:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California I've only done a straight shot as part of a delivery crew from SF to Seattle, so I don't have personal knowledge about port jumping. This thread gives two cruising guides, one is for Oregon, the other the Pacific Coast. Claims to give anchorages and bar crossing info. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f23/cruising-guide-for-oregon-waters-11116.html John From: Read Howarth <rs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:01:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California How about if you jump from port to port anchoring in a protected harbor every possible evening? A Month? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:17:22 -0600 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 continuous days.. If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then there will be port stops. I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at Neah Bay would happen. Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to sail, but depends on the season. If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of stops. If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point Arguello - "Point Conception" After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds typically decrease as you get closer to LA. I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore sailors if you do this in one shot. If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and 20 foot seas might need everyone. If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, is is usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle legs (Mendocino). . so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. Make sure you gear and stomach is strong! From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail to SoCal? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rshowarth@yahoo. com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Gerald Sobel Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, originating in San Francisco, but that not be till 'round late June or early July. Best of Luck, Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So California To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your suggestions are welcome.

Beth: I spoke to a friend living in Seattle about your plans and he may be interested. He is recently out of the Coast Guard driving patrol boats, is pretty active in the racing circuit in Puget Sound & spent a few years teaching sailing. You can contact me offline if still considering the trip. Rob Wyman Cal 29, Gypsy Bumboat Long Beach, CA --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Beth Anna Cornett <bethannacornett@...> wrote: > > > > thank you all of the advise. Please keep it coming. The more I learn the more I am interested in trucking the boat due to the people currently available to crew. Any suggestions for finding a quality crew members? > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, timmothy.lessley@... <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > > From: timmothy.lessley@... <timmothy.lessley@...> > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to So California > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:23 PM > > Sorry for the grammar and spelling errors.. I was in a > > hurry. > > > > Have proper charts. > > > > Make sure you have or borrow an offshore "Kit" > > Liferaft, Epirb, Solas Flares and smokers. (visit PIYA > > http://www.ussailing.net/piya/new/cat_cert.html site) to > > particulars on offshore requirements or suggestions for > > preparation. First time preparation of a boat to meet these > > standards is~@ $10-15,000. > > > > If you do this sail, select, plot and pre-programmed all > > the safe ports for entry along the way into your GPS before > > leaving the dock. > > > > We never get to select the conditions when we need to go > > in.. the ports along the way are typically " > > challenging" even during the daylight hours in clear > > visibility. > > > > Always have a spare "Emergency use only" fuel > > supply can, sailing into some of these harbors can be dicey, > > as they are very tidal, often River Mouths, and narrow. > > > > Also expect whenever you enter port, due to time > > constraints and crew experience (illness/fear), you will > > lose crew, and have to find replacements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > timmothy.lessley@... > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:17 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washington to > > So California > > > > > > Well from Seattle to Long Beach is just at 1,200 miles. If > > you average 120 cruising/motoring miles/day then 10 > > continuous days.. > > > > If you have to motor or are not "seasoned", then > > there will be port stops. > > > > I would think that normally from Seattle to Cape Flattery > > there would be a fair amount of motoring, so a fuel stop at > > Neah Bay would happen. > > > > Typically the weather down the coast would allow you to > > sail, but depends on the season. > > > > If you have to motor, then you may have to make a number of > > stops. > > > > If the wind is like my trips, (June) then expect heavy > > winds, increasing to gales @ Cape Mendocino & Point > > Arguello - "Point Conception" > > > > After you get into the Santa Barbara Channel, the winds > > typically decrease as you get closer to LA. > > > > I would recommend at least 4 "strong" offshore > > sailors if you do this in one shot. > > > > If the weather degrades, then sail changes in 50 knots and > > 20 foot seas might need everyone. > > > > If the weather gets this strong, take my advise, it is > > usually on the transom, so take down the main, and fly only > > a smaller headsail.. why take the mast down in a gybe? > > > > Today's weather shows a steady 30+ knots at the middle > > legs (Mendocino).. so gusts to 40-50 might be expected, > > along with boat speeds to 16-19 knots. > > > > Make sure your gear and stomachs are strong! > > > > > > [cid:313171818@27032009-2ECB] > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Read Howarth > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > So California > > > > > > I wonder what a reasonable amount of time is for the sail > > to SoCal? > > > > > > > > > > Read S. Howarth > > Moorestown, New Jersey > > rshowarth@... > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Gerald Sobel > > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) > > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to > > So California > > > > I'd say sailing it down sounds like much more fun, less > > global warming, too!. Maybe you can enlist some listees as > > crew as prep for this years Transpac? There is also a lead > > in race to Santa Barbara that precedes the Transpac, > > originating in San Francisco, but that not be till > > 'round late June or early July. > > Best of Luck, > > Jerry > > Cal 24 Shpritz > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bethannacornett > > <bethannacornett@...> wrote: > > > > From: bethannacornett <bethannacornett@...> > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Moving a Cal 40 from Washinton to So > > California > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > > > We are interested in transporting our Cal 40 from > > Washington to southern California by sea or land. Your > > suggestions are welcome. >