Re: [Cal_Boats] Ah, Chemicals(Trich)

Charlie,Yeah it would clean anything. We used it because our stuff had to be LOX clean, we used it by the 55 gal. drum. I don't seem to remember how we disposed of the used stuff; in those days that wasn't an issue. Maybe that's why I can't remember!Just so you know, we are expecting a couple of inches of snow tonight in Chicago, winter doesn't want to leave. Regards,Dave Dobbs --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Ah, Chemicals To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:42 PM "I used trichloroetheleyne on a daily basis without gloves." Bingo, David. Moi aussi. Damn, that was a good cleaner. Used it on printed circuit boards. Did you have your own ball of mercury as a child? Sure was fun to play with. Then there were the stamp collection watermark detectors where you (or I) dripped carbon tetrachloride over stamps on a dark card while poring over the result at very close range. Hell, I'm gonna go install asbestos insulation in my boat. Then I'll have my tofu sandwich. After all, don't want to get fat. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:07 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]( TSP) Timm, If it don't have the "P", (the element phosphorus). in the compound it ain't TSP.Tri Sodium Phosphate. It also don't clean the same. I have Real TSP in my basement which I use with care when I need it. The stuff they sell now as TSP is junk. I also have real chlordane in my garden shed, only use that sparingly. I guess that means I am a A Superfund site. My body is probably also a public danger, when employed(?) by the USAF I used trichloroetheleyne on a daily basis without gloves. Hey, I can't work in those clumsy things. But so far I am disease/condition free except for my Scotch addiction. And my sailing addiction. Regards, David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Wed, 4/1/09, timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> wrote: From: timmothy..lessley@ ch2m.com <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:36 PM Well then, I guess the boat will be dirty? That still leaves the 11 beers to be consumed. A pressure washer is only water delivered at a high force and low volume - I would think that this method would be mandatory if water usage was a concern.. Most at home units are not nearly powerful enough to lift bonded caulking... if it is loose and leaking - needing replacement then maybe. I wonder how people wash dishes on board, all sinks I am familiar with drain into the water.... Maybe "Phosphate free" TSP is okay, since it is not a soap (foaming) and is a cleaner of gunk. (MSDS attached) Phosphate-Free TSP-PF A heavy duty cleaner with the equivalent cleaning power of TSP for use where phosphate cleaners are prohibited. The phosphate-free formula also removes heavy deposits of greasy grime, smoke, soot stains and chalked paint from walls, woodwork and floors. Cleans and restores weathered and mildewed decks and siding. Removes mildew and mildew stains when mixed with bleach. Also cleans remover sludge and prepares surfaces for repainting. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:05 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleaning Gelcoat dEmO: If we followed these cleaning instructions here in the Puget Sound, the enviro-mental wackos would have us arrested for assault of Sacred Mother Earth! My first mate and I are very concerned about the environment and really are very careful boatowners but these folks are clearly trying to get ALL boats out of the water. It's reached a state of being unreasonable. Our marina does not allow soap of ANY kind, including the Green Soap which we usually use. Pressure washing is also discouraged for its damage to something or other.(I'm concerned about opening up stantion and chain-plate seals with pressure washing anyway..) We are told to use plain water and elbow grease. Or wash at night when the enviro-mental wackos are in earth church. Oxalic acid! They'd keel haul us except for all the blood! Dan --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > Not an expert at this one. > > Typically I try things until something works best. > > I also may not be environmentally friendly? > > General Deck Cleaning steps: > > 1. pressure washer pre-wet and get big bird poop spots off > 2. spray laundry bleach mostly on the stained areas or fiberglass.. avoid soaking bare wood, stainless. > 3.. moisten deck again to flow bleach. > 4. per the Cal factory manual, sprinkle laundry (Tide) soap on the wet decks > 5. Pressure wash at high power to get most of the stains lifted. > > Go below and look for leaks > > 6. Go back over with a scrubber brush and Oxalic acid (Bar Keepers Friend) to get the black or rust spots > 7. Hit hard rust spots with Phosphoric acid (Naval Jelly) do not let the pink jelly dry as it can stain a pink color. Repeat Step 6. > 8. using MEK or Acetone, hit greasy spots or real hard black sole marks. Repeat Step 6. > 9. have a pick and or tooth brush to get into groove or joints, pick off caulking or varnish. > 10. Dry and clean metal parts and cables - w/WD 40 and a microfiber rag > 11. Compound & wax smooth surfaces. (Meguires or 3M) > > Get into the hot tub, and enjoy the view! > > dEmO > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of John > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:16 PM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cleaning Gelcoat > > > Hi all, > Well, after much effort (and, of course, money) I have managed to get my Cal 31 back to working order! (rebuilt transmission, shaft, cutless bearing and motor mounts) However, this ordeal left her seriously soiled with lots of grease and oil stains in the cockpit. She's also got a number of places that are just oxidized, ugly areas that need a serious cleaning. What are your prefered methods/products for handling these problems? Your assistance will be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > John Stacklyn > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > Shell Point, FL >