Polar Diagram for CAL-29

Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the right angle when sailing upwind. Thanks for any help.

I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland Cal 9.2 which is 29'... Would you like that polar for starters? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the right angle when sailing upwind. Thanks for any help.

Timm, can you copy me also? I think I have a copy of the CAL 40 somewhere. I alwyas consider my 29 is a small 40. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland > Cal 9.2 which is 29'... Would you like that polar for > starters? > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn Sent: > Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM To: > Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for > CAL-29 > Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. My sailing club provided > info that this can help taking the right angle when sailing > upwind. Thanks for any help. >

On Thursday 02 April 2009 11:45:12 Randy Alcorn wrote: > Timm, can you copy me also? I think I have a copy of the CAL 40 somewhere. > I alwyas consider my 29 is a small 40. Could I request a copy as well please. -- /ch Ottawa CA

I would like to post the polars on the 9.2 site, Are they graphical or a data base of numbers? Eric ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland Cal 9.2 > which is 29'... Would you like that polar for starters? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of flaptaxjn > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 > > Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. > > My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the > right angle when sailing upwind. > > Thanks for any help. > >

Someone had Cal 29 polars on here. I thought I had a copy but can not find yet. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: roline To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 I would like to post the polars on the 9.2 site, Are they graphical or a data base of numbers? Eric ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland Cal 9.2 which is 29'... Would you like that polar for starters? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the right angle when sailing upwind. Thanks for any help. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3984 (20090402) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I can supply it both ways... The graph is a little light when printed to PDF, I'll see if I can bolster it a bit. These polars are ones that I have developed and used, after logging thousands of miles.. so it is skewed to match my sailing conditions / sails and optimistic as to surface conditions (waves). I also have a lead keel, foot longer boom than stock and nice Kevlar "white sails". Two Freewind Polar Tables Table One : First the Maximums - Ideal circumstances In a nice graphical format with sail selection suggestions. Table Two: Second used for racing and computer routing, more conservative to cover mid conditions. The Format is harder to understand as it is in Expedition Format. Table One Cal 9.2 Sail Chart for Timm and Victoria Lessley TWS TWA 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 40 2.54 3.2 3.82 4.38 4.87 5.28 5.62 6.03 6.23 6.33 6.44 6.46 45 3.72 4.47 5.09 5.62 5.89 50 3.97 4.85 5.57 6.12 6.46 6.68 6.82 6.82 125% 6.95 7.05 7.15 7.26 55 #3 60 4.45 5.34 6.03 6.46 6.75 6.98 7.12 7.31 7.48 7.62 7.85 8.05 65 70 4.73 5.64 6.24 6.61 6.9 7.14 7.35 7.6 7.81 7.98 8.26 8.56 75 80 4.84 5.74 6.31 6.66 6.95 7.2 7.44 7.88 8.11 8.32 8.73 9.19 85 90 4.8 5.7 6.28 6.71 7.03 7.17 7.42 7.93 8.38 8.63 9.24 9.96 95 100 4.67 5.67 6.35 1S 6.78 7.09 7.33 7.47 7.82 8.33 8.94 9.83 10.78 105 110 4.67 5.64 6.31 6.72 7.04 7.33 7.59 7.93 8.22 8.67 10.33 11.66 115 120 4.45 5.38 6.11 6.55 6.89 7.2 7.49 7.72 8.35 9.14 9.71 12.47 125 130 2S 135 3.78 4.66 5.44 6.08 6.51 6.84 7.14 7.13 7.66 8.22 10.73 12.47 140 3.52 4.27 4.92 5S 1.5 145 5.52 10.37 150 5.89 6.16 13.04 155 6.35 160 165 6.56 170 7.01 7.52 175 180 2.15 2.7 3.26 3.8 4.33 4.84 5.33 6.18 6.77 7.25 8.23 9.99 Application AWA Range Staysail 1S VMG 70-100 125% 2S AP Runner 120-150 #3 5S Chicken Kite Table Two Optimum upwind VMG Optimum DW VMG Wind Spd Twa0 Bsp0 TwaUp BspUp Twa1 Bsp1 Twa2 Bsp2 Twa3 Bsp3 Twa4 Bsp4 Twa5 Bsp5 Twa6 Bsp6 Twa7 Bsp7 Twa8 Bsp8 Twa9 Bsp9 TwaDn BspDn Twa10 Bsp10 4 32 2.0329 46 2.9741 50 3.1718 60 3.5576 70 3.7835 80 3.8682 90 3.84 100 3.7365 110 3.7365 120 3.5576 135 3.0212 140.1 2.8141 180 1.7224 5 32 2.56 44.8 3.5765 50 3.8776 60 4.2729 70 4.5082 80 4.5929 90 4.5647 100 4.5365 110 4.5082 120 4.3012 135 3.7271 141.7 3.4165 180 2.1647 6 32 3.0588 43.6 4.0753 50 4.4518 60 4.8282 70 4.9882 80 5.0447 90 5.0259 100 5.0824 110 5.0447 120 4.8847 135 4.3482 143.6 3.9341 180 2.6071 7 32 3.5012 42.6 4.4988 50 4.8941 60 5.1671 70 5.2894 80 5.3271 90 5.3647 100 5.4212 110 5.3741 120 5.2424 135 4.8659 144.8 4.4141 180 3.04 8 32 3.8965 40.4 4.7153 50 5.1671 60 5.4024 70 5.5247 80 5.5624 90 5.6282 100 5.6753 110 5.6282 120 5.5153 135 5.2047 148.2 4.7153 180 3.4635 9 32 4.2259 38.6 4.8471 50 5.3459 60 5.5812 70 5.7129 80 5.76 90 5.7318 100 5.8635 110 5.8635 120 5.76 135 5.4682 151.4 4.9318 180 3.8682 10 32 4.4988 36.9 4.9224 50 5.4588 60 5.6941 70 5.8824 80 5.9482 90 5.9388 100 5.9765 110 6.0706 120 5.9953 135 5.7129 154.6 5.0824 180 4.2635 12 32 4.8282 34.8 5.0259 45 5.4588 60 5.8447 70 6.08 80 6.3059 90 6.3435 100 6.2588 110 6.3435 135 6.1741 150 5.7035 165.4 5.2518 180 4.9412 14 32 4.9882 33.6 5.0918 45 5.5624 60 5.9859 70 6.2494 80 6.4847 90 6.7012 100 6.6635 110 6.5788 135 6.6824 150 6.1271 168.9 5.6094 180 5.4118 16 32 5.0635 33.1 5.1388 45 5.6376 60 6.0988 70 6.3812 80 6.6541 90 6.9082 100 7.1529 110 6.9365 135 7.3129 150 6.5788 168.4 6.0141 180 5.7976 20 32 5.1482 33.2 5.2329 45 5.7224 60 6.2776 70 6.6071 80 6.9835 90 7.3882 100 7.8682 110 8.2635 120 7.7647 135 8.5835 145.8 8.2918 180 6.5882 25 32 5.1671 34 5.3082 45 5.8071 60 6.4376 70 6.8518 80 7.3506 90 7.9718 100 8.6212 110 9.3271 120 9.9765 135 9.9765 149.3 10.4282 180 7.9906 Polar Diagram: (based on Table Two) The blue lines ore Optimum VMG angles The highest wind speed (25 knots from the table above) is the darkest. Each succeeding smaller polar is the wind speed equal to the smaller numbers on Table Two. The Polar is a composite of the sails we use. [cid:707225022@02042009-0E48] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of roline Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 I would like to post the polars on the 9.2 site, Are they graphical or a data base of numbers? Eric ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland Cal 9.2 which is 29'... Would you like that polar for starters? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the right angle when sailing upwind. Thanks for any help.

Would it be possible for you to upload these as files? That would be really helpful. Thanks. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I can supply it both ways... The graph is a little light when printed to PDF, I'll see if I can bolster it a bit. > > These polars are ones that I have developed and used, after logging thousands of miles.. so it is skewed to match my sailing conditions / sails and optimistic as to surface conditions (waves). I also have a lead keel, foot longer boom than stock and nice Kevlar "white sails". > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of roline > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:19 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 > > > I would like to post the polars on the 9.2 site, Are they graphical or a data base of numbers? > Eric > > > timmothy.lessley@...<mailto:timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland Cal 9.2 which is 29'... Would you like that polar for starters? > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 > > > Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. > > My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the > right angle when sailing upwind. > > Thanks for any help. >

Here's that chart (Expedition) and the Polar tabular tables I use for a Cal 9.2.. maybe your firewall will let the winzipped file through? Also a bonus is the chart of wind conditions during one of the Hawaii Races on the Cal 40. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Polar Diagram for CAL-29 Cal 9.2 Polars Would it be possible for you to upload these as files? That would be really helpful. Thanks. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I can supply it both ways... The graph is a little light when printed to PDF, I'll see if I can bolster it a bit. > > These polars are ones that I have developed and used, after logging thousands of miles.. so it is skewed to match my sailing conditions / sails and optimistic as to surface conditions (waves). I also have a lead keel, foot longer boom than stock and nice Kevlar "white sails". > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of roline > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:19 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 > > > I would like to post the polars on the 9.2 site, Are they graphical or a data base of numbers? > Eric > > > timmothy.lessley@...<mailto:timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I do not have the Cal 29, but do have the Cal Ron Holland Cal 9.2 which is 29'... Would you like that polar for starters? > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of flaptaxjn > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Polar Diagram for CAL-29 > > > Any info on a Polar Diagram for the Cal-29. > > My sailing club provided info that this can help taking the > right angle when sailing upwind. > > Thanks for any help. >

On Monday 06 April 2009 15:40:34 ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: dEmO; What software do you use to generate this data? -- /ch

I use three pieces of software that log my instrument data: 2000-2004 MaxSea (Furuno) http://tinyurl.com/c7wdy8 2004-current Expedition http://www.iexpedition.org/index.htm 2002-current Nexus FDX Race software http://tinyurl.com/d49ajz I stopped using MaxSea in 2004 when I discovered Expedition and FDX. A key element is having linked instrumentation, I use Nexus, but it will use Raymarine and many others, if you buy a NMEA 0183 black box or have a native NMEA data-string. (NMEA 2000 is in the beta stage) Expedition was designed for high end programs to win the America's Cup and the Volvo Around the World race. All winning boats in these races use Expedition. The software performs many tasks, beyond logging and graphing instrument data. It can also replay the race for you in real time or accelerated mode, so you can see your race and review the instrument readings... in longer races with fleet position reports, you can replay the race showing the entire fleet and watch strategies unfold. Another key feature is that you can set up - during the race - up to nine clone boats of yours, give them a little bit different parameters, and then race your 9 clones.. to see if the strategy you are on is the best one. SO if you do not know if it is better to go out or hug the coast, you can play out the scenarios in simulation to see how the strategies succeed. I use it at the low end of the spectrum... and am a beta tester for Nick White.

On Wednesday 08 April 2009 12:52:14 ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > 2004-current Expedition http://www.iexpedition.org/index.htm The techno in me loves this one especially since it supports CMAP my preferred charting system. Don't know however if I can justify the cost as a non racer. Most of the data components Ive been able to piece together using NavSim and a collection of linux based applications. All my marine software runs in a windows virtual machine on linux to have instant recovery once thing go wrong. The only progi I have not been able to sort out is polar generation. Many thanks -- /ch

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[http://www.milltechmarine.com/images/MacENC-screenais-small.jpg]<http://www.milltechmarine.com/images/MacENC-screenais.jpg> An example of an AIS screen from dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris h Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:11 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Polar Diagram for CAL-29 Cal 9.2 Polars On Wednesday 08 April 2009 12:52:14 ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com> wrote: > 2004-current Expedition http://www.iexpedition.org/index.htm The techno in me loves this one especially since it supports CMAP my preferred charting system. Don't know however if I can justify the cost as a non racer. Most of the data components Ive been able to piece together using NavSim and a collection of linux based applications. All my marine software runs in a windows virtual machine on linux to have instant recovery once thing go wrong. The only progi I have not been able to sort out is polar generation. Many thanks -- /ch

On Wednesday 08 April 2009 13:32:52 ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > If you can log data (TWA-SOW-TWS) then I have an excel spreadsheet that can > perform data interpolation and fill out a polar table, with some work, a > polar chart can be developed.. sure can as standard NMEA 0183 network will be on board. > a sample chart is included. I think the attachment did not make it..:) > As for the cost, well, it is a boat buck... @$1,000.. but for the weather - > routing and charting, I think it is very inexpensive and required if you go > offshore in macro environments. Yes but offshore what is your data link to get weather data and gribs? That adds another data layer no? > Inshore, in familiar micro environments, it provides less value.. but the > C-Map Max Arial pictures and database data (phone numbers address's and > streets) is cool... Yup, that and Active Captain. Now if someone could integrate AC with google earth that would be very cool. But alas its all closed source but the lad developing AC is a very good head. Perhaps something could be worked out if he was approached properly > I also have AIS linked into it, so I can see and have data on all > commercial traffic (direction, speed, call signs, intercept data, etc.) Its on my nice to have list..:) > [http://www.milltechmarine.com/images/sr161-small3.jpg] > > I have collected data on ships up to 80 miles out.. pretty fun to call a > ship coming up river around a few bends, before they can see you.. or over > the horizon in the ocean to ask if they can see you on radar, and converse. you could argue quite successfully its a needed safety feature but then again I need to consider budgets.. > AIS Expedition table: > > [cid:104001617@08042009-15F3] > > Milltech AIS as on Freewind and California Girl. (SR 161) > Smart Radio SR161, SR162 and SR162G AIS Receivers > > The Smart Radio SR161 and SR162 AIS Receivers are compact, easy to install, > stand alone marine receivers that monitor the channels assigned to the > Automatic Identification System or AIS. The SR161 is very cool. Got a good review from Panbo as well. <snip> > The SR161, SR162 and SR162G can be used with computer-based navigation > solutions using a standard RS232 serial port interface. This is the only silly part in the design. Most laptops dont support serial ports anymore, and USB>serial port converters are known failure points <snip> > * Boatcruiser 2.0<http://www.navsim.com/products/boatcruiser2/> See > sample screen!<http://www.milltechmarine.com/images/bc.jpg> Ah...this is good, if Boatcruiser is supported then so will be Sailcrusier http://www.navsim.com/products/ SailCruiser NavSim's latest product development and is designed specifically for sailors. Built upon BoatCruiser's existing platform, SailCruiser includes all of the celebrated features that BoatCruiser has become known for plus a unique tacking tool. This tacking tool, Sailtimer™ will automatically calculate your optimal tacking route given the direction and speed of both the wind and your boat. (and its made here in town so I'm kinda biased) <snip> > Any navigation package that can process NMEA VDM data from a serial port > should work with the SR161. I should really talk to the supplier about this and see what they recommend for USB/serial conversion of even better if a usb adapter is available. My preferred platform is a 10 " UMPC with SSD drive. Low power, no moving parts, long battery life (6 hrs) and no serial port..:) all interfaced with a small boat computer similar to one of these. http://www.marinenav.ca/2009_index2.html As I used to work in hardware, remember the Corel Netwinder?? these are easy to build. Nothing special except the case and its not sealed so strictly visual. Replace the hard drive with mutliple SSD drives and your off to the races with a very "cold" low power machine that is totally impact resistant. Just need to keep it dry..:) -- /ch

*** Comments in text below From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris h Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 9.2 Polar - Expedition - AIS On Wednesday 08 April 2009 13:32:52 ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com> wrote: > If you can log data (TWA-SOW-TWS) then I have an excel spreadsheet that can > perform data interpolation and fill out a polar table, with some work, a > polar chart can be developed.. sure can as standard NMEA 0183 network will be on board. > a sample chart is included. I think the attachment did not make it..:) *** I did not attach as the complete file is around 1 meg.. I can send direct after I go through it if you want. (haven't used it in a few years...) > As for the cost, well, it is a boat buck... @$1,000.. but for the weather - > routing and charting, I think it is very inexpensive and required if you go > offshore in macro environments. Yes but offshore what is your data link to get weather data and gribs? That adds another data layer no? *** Offshore we use SailMail, HF radio email system. It requires us to have an HF Radio (ICOM) and an SCS Pactor 3 demodulator. The HF SailMail is "worldwide" but is limited in file sizes @35kb and radio reception (propagation). For short races, the COAMP - GFS - NOGAPS - QSCAT - Gridded Binary (grib) files are fairly accurate to 2-3 days and predict out to as many as 14 days. If you want to go a higher technology route, the Satellite phone system is worldwide, just rent a unit and hook up to the laptop. There are other weather services available (OCENS), with specialized receiving gear that "email" weather gribs. > Inshore, in familiar micro environments, it provides less value.. but the > C-Map Max Arial pictures and database data (phone numbers address's and > streets) is cool... Yup, that and Active Captain. Now if someone could integrate AC with google earth that would be very cool. But alas its all closed source but the lad developing AC is a very good head. Perhaps something could be worked out if he was approached properly *** Garmin Oregon can provide a Google earth like feature if you want to see terrain and satellite shots. > I also have AIS linked into it, so I can see and have data on all > commercial traffic (direction, speed, call signs, intercept data, etc.) Its on my nice to have list..:) *** $189.00 plus antenna and very simple installation. Recent Activity * 4 New Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbmhxNXViBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjM5MjE2OTc5> * 24 New Photos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJndXA1aWt1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjM5MjE2OTc5> * 3 New Files<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJoYXVsdGxzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTIxNjk3OQ--> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbTVuOGltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMzkyMTY5Nzk-> Give Back Yahoo! for Good<http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJuMzdrMWQ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTIxNjk3OQ--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood> Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free!<http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJwaHNvazFzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjM5MjE2OTc5;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps> easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group<http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNnM1czI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjM5MjE2OTc5> in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .

On Wednesday 08 April 2009 15:15:21 ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > *** I did not attach as the complete file is around 1 meg.. I can send > direct after I go through it if you want. (haven't used it in a few > years...) ________________________________ No urgency as Im six month out but would be really interested should it be available. > *** Offshore we use SailMail, HF radio email system. It requires us to have > an HF Radio (ICOM) and an SCS Pactor 3 demodulator. Yup thats what I thought but that adds another layer that at this point I simply cant do. HF also requires a license, isolator and grounding plate. Its something though I would like to add in the future. Had a big argument with buddy who is now in Cuba when we spent 2 years planning and outfitting his boat. To date he has not installed HF but then both of our cruising experiences will be coastal with minimal passages over 2 days and nights. > <snip> > *** Garmin Oregon can provide a Google earth like feature if you want to > see terrain and satellite shots. ________________________________ Its not terrain that interests me about google earth (GE), rather its a very nice integration platform. Everything is in one place. Secondly GE files make nice overlays on mapservers. Currently and just for fun building the following on my local laptop as a nice planning tool. Its quite an effort and only 10 percent done. Will take me a good month of work to finish it. But it makes it simpler if someone else has done it before...this example is great but source is closed.http://www.geogarage.com/main/examples.html.en#noaa Its just UMMapserver with NOAA rasters tiled ,collars clipped and presented as on overlay on google maps. To integrate this with google earth is simple, and GE provides a ton of marine data provided you are coastal. Note: none of this replaces nice overview paper charts and pilot guides and the tide tables. > *** $189.00 plus antenna and very simple installation. Wow....the price has really dropped. Its back on the list. Thanks so much for pointing that out. -- /ch