Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls

Does anyone know of a good way to replace the vinyl used to cover the raw fiberglass on the walls of interior of the cabin? I don't want to go back with more vinyl and to just paint it will leave it with the texture of the fiberglass. I suppose I could fair it like a keel but I was hoping for a simpler solution that wouldn't involve sanding. Even if I replaced the vinyl it still looks like there would be a fair amount of sanding to be done to get all the dried glue off. Anyone with some silver bullets out there for removing the old glue and replacing with something new. . . besides writing a big check to someone else to do it? This is next winter's chore. I figure it'll take that long to find a good solution or save the money ;-) Thanks - Paul **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

The glue is a big problem. I stripped off all the vinyl in my boat because it was coming off anyway and the foam backing was disintegrating to brown powder. The glue residue comes in two forms: dry and gummy. I took the dry glue off by using a wire wheel in an electric sander. This process makes a huge mess of the interior of the boat and contributes to much domestic disharmony. But, it works. The gummy glue just clogged the wire wheel and rendered it useless. I tried everything to remove the glue but not a single commercial solvent or glue remover had the least effect. The solution: Interlux paint remover that is safe for fiberglass. It ain't perfect but it kinda works. The gummy glue merely scoffs at all other chemicals. I really can't help with the final cosmetics as I haven't figured that out myself yet. Whatever I come up with I feel confident will not include vinyl or glue. Regards, Wayne From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: CS… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:58:50 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! Does anyone know of a good way to replace the vinyl used to cover the raw fiberglass on the walls of interior of the cabin? I don't want to go back with more vinyl and to just paint it will leave it with the texture of the fiberglass. I suppose I could fair it like a keel but I was hoping for a simpler solution that wouldn't involve sanding. Even if I replaced the vinyl it still looks like there would be a fair amount of sanding to be done to get all the dried glue off. Anyone with some silver bullets out there for removing the old glue and replacing with something new. . . besides writing a big check to someone else to do it? This is next winter's chore. I figure it'll take that long to find a good solution or save the money ;-) Thanks - Paul

Listen to what the others have said about adequate glue removal. I have a 2-29 and just pulled the carpet and foam from behind the head. I thought the light sanding and acetone was fine. I primered the hull, the paint cracked. I did it again, the paint cracked. Went ahead and tried the final coat, and left for two weeks. Came back last week and large areas have peeled off the hull. That glue is evil!! To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com CC: CS… [at] yahoogroups.com From: pw… [at] aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:58:50 -0400 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls Does anyone know of a good way to replace the vinyl used to cover the raw fiberglass on the walls of interior of the cabin? I don't want to go back with more vinyl and to just paint it will leave it with the texture of the fiberglass. I suppose I could fair it like a keel but I was hoping for a simpler solution that wouldn't involve sanding. Even if I replaced the vinyl it still looks like there would be a fair amount of sanding to be done to get all the dried glue off. Anyone with some silver bullets out there for removing the old glue and replacing with something new. . . besides writing a big check to someone else to do it? This is next winter's chore. I figure it'll take that long to find a good solution or save the money ;-) Thanks - Paul Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009

One reason I have put down a barrier coat of squeegeed epoxy after my grinding and removal. I have found, by far, Petit Easy Epoxy provides the best finish, and is simple to put down. (Roll & Tip) It is hard as nails and wipes down nicely. 5 years of service, still perfect. Interlux Brightsides is way too runny and seems to always sag and run. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brad abels Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:47 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls Listen to what the others have said about adequate glue removal. I have a 2-29 and just pulled the carpet and foam from behind the head. I thought the light sanding and acetone was fine. I primered the hull, the paint cracked. I did it again, the paint cracked. Went ahead and tried the final coat, and left for two weeks. Came back last week and large areas have peeled off the hull. That glue is evil!! To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com CC: CS… [at] yahoogroups.com From: pw… [at] aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:58:50 -0400 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls Does anyone know of a good way to replace the vinyl used to cover the raw fiberglass on the walls of interior of the cabin? I don't want to go back with more vinyl and to just paint it will leave it with the texture of the fiberglass. I suppose I could fair it like a keel but I was hoping for a simpler solution that wouldn't involve sanding. Even if I replaced the vinyl it still looks like there would be a fair amount of sanding to be done to get all the dried glue off. Anyone with some silver bullets out there for removing the old glue and replacing with something new. . . besides writing a big check to someone else to do it? This is next winter's chore. I figure it'll take that long to find a good solution or save the money ;-) Thanks - Paul Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar<http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003>! Rediscover Hotmail(r): Get e-mail storage that grows with you. Check it out.<http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009>

Paul: My first Mate and I are half way though the same project on our 34 - Mk lll. The Burlap-bag-with-Mold look was a wee bit dated and stinky. We perfected the removal process as we removed the liner and glue from the entire interior hull. First we pulled everything off that we could by hand. Then we bought a couple wire brushes with the metal scraper tip on one side. We scraped and then wire brushed repeatedly. Once we got 99% of the glue off, we wiped it down with Special 333. The interior hull now shines. Here in the Pacific North Wet, one cannot have a shiny hull interior. The condensation is miserable. We know we need a air barrier and something to mitigate the unfinished fiberglass look. we bought about $300 of rolled ¼" foam and a roll of vinyl that nearly matches the headliner along with a case of 3M Super heavyduty spray glue all from a local canvas shop. Boy, whattta mistake that was! It is impossible to sandwich the two without wrinkles. It is impossible to glue it to the fiberglass in less than 64 degree temperatures. (We had some days last year like that!)We have given up on that idea. I would be happy to sell you the unused materials for a discount. I plan to fiberglass vertical ribs to the interior hull and apply red cedar slats. I plan to rip them to 1½" x ¼" and router the edges with a ¼" round over. I am sure I can complete this project before my own funeral. Good luck, Dan Does anyone know of a good way to replace the vinyl used to cover the raw > fiberglass on the walls of interior of the cabin? I don't want to go back > with more vinyl and to just paint it will leave it with the texture of the > fiberglass. I suppose I could fair it like a keel but I was hoping for a > simpler solution that wouldn't involve sanding. Even if I replaced the > vinyl it still looks like there would be a fair amount of sanding to be done > to get all the dried glue off. > <SNIP>

Okay, So what I'm hearing is that don't attempt this job in August, wait until the boat is on the hard, dress warm and attack the removal in January in subfreezing temps. I was told not to go back with vinyl from someone not on the list as the same thing will eventually happen again. I am leaning toward West Systems epoxy with the 410 lightweight filler to smooth out the texture in the walls and will paint it when done. I just hope that it will flex enough not to crack. The ceiling was done with wood slats by the previous owner as was the aft, port cabin wall and the v-berth walls so all I have to do is the main saloon and the inside, aft cabin wall. This job is a long way off so I'm still willing to consider other ideas. Thanks - Paul From: Dan <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 9:34 am Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls Paul: My first Mate and I are half way though the same project on our 34 - Mk lll. The Burlap-bag-with-Mold look was a wee bit dated and stinky. We perfected the removal process as we removed the liner and glue from the entire interior hull. First we pulled everything off that we could by hand. Then we bought a couple wire brushes with the metal scraper tip on one side. We scraped and then wire brushed repeatedly. Once we got 99% of the glue off, we wiped it down with Special 333. The interior hull now shines. Here in the Pacific North Wet, one cannot have a shiny hull interior. The condensation is miserable. We know we need a air barrier and something to mitigate the unfinished fiberglass look. we bought about $300 of rolled ¼" foam and a roll of vinyl that nearly matches the headliner along with a case of 3M Super heavyduty spray glue all from a local canvas shop. Boy, whattta mistake that was! It is impossible to sandwich the two without wrinkles. It is impossible to glue it to the fiberglass in less than 64 degree temperatures. (We had some days last year like that!)We have given up on that idea. I would be happy to sell you the unused materials for a discount. I plan to fiberglass vertical ribs to the interior hull and apply red cedar slats. I plan to rip them to 1½" x ¼" and router the edges with a ¼" round over. I am sure I can complete this project before my own funeral. Good luck, Dan Does anyone know of a good way to replace the vinyl used to cover the raw > fiberglass on the walls of interior of the cabin? I don't want to go back > with more vinyl and to just paint it will leave it with the texture of the > fiberglass. I suppose I could fair it like a keel but I was hoping for a > simpler solution that wouldn't involve sanding. Even if I replaced the > vinyl it still looks like there would be a fair amount of sanding to be done > to get all the dried glue off. > <SNIP> 0A