Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls (Everyone Who Has Chimed In)

When I bought Magic, the vinyl headliner was sagging on the starboard side near the forward port. The Florida heat and humidity really ages plastic. I promptly removed it all and went 5+ years with nothing but raw fiberglass. Recently, a friend that has an upholstery business came over and installed a new headliner. It is what she calls "monkey fur". It's a fuzzy fabric material that stretches and easily conforms to the contours of the cabin roof. It was secured with 3M adhesive spray glue: the industrial version. I'm happy with it, and more importantly the Admiral likes it. Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL --- On Tue, 4/21/09, pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 2:58 PM Those of you who removed your vinyl . . . was it sandwiched between the port frames? My ports are painted aluminum and I'd like to remove them and repaint them while I'm at it to make it easier to sand the interior between them as well as making the ports look better but may not have that much time available to get involved in re-bedding all the ports. Thanks - Paul From: Rodney G Johnson <rjohnson24@juno. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:51 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls  If the ceiling was already done, why are you planning to redo it? Or are you removing the vinyl from the overhead? Your boat must look nice with all the wood slats covering the ceiling, as well as all the bulkheads (I assume that you mean bulkheads when you say "walls"? Houses have walls, boats have bulkheads). The ceiling on a boat is the covering for the inside of the hull. As far as the idea of smoothing the hull interior surface with thickened epoxy, then painting it....I regularly watch SHIPSHAPE-TV with John G riviscus and he did exactly that on the inside of the hulls of several of his fiberglass powerboats (well, he does things a bit fancy at times, so used AWLGRIP, but still basically the same process!) and it sure worked for him. I would think that the large flat areas of a powerboat hull would flex at least as much as our old CAL hulls, if not more! He used epoxy thickened with a mixture of microballoons and coloidial silica fillers. You may be able to purchase a copy of that episode from his web site, it aired about 5 years ago though.....worth checking though! The early (ours was a 1970) CAL 21s were built with a layer of smooth fiberglass cloth as the innermost layer of the hull laminate and this was sanded and painted. It looked good and was easy to maintain. (that awful paint/resin/ glop coating everyone talks about was only on the overhead and stood up fine on our boat...except on the underside of the cockpit seats. That was down over the quarterberths, so wasn't really visible!) Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" ; 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 and former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:46:24 -0400 pwestla@aol. com writes: Okay, So what I'm hearing is that don't attempt this job in August, wait until the boat is on the hard, dress warm and attack the removal in January in subfreezing temps. I was told not to go back with vinyl from someone not on the list as the same thing will eventually happen again. I am leaning toward West Systems epoxy with the 410 lightweight filler to smooth out the texture in the walls and will paint it when done. I just hope that it will flex enough not to crack. The ceiling was done with wood slats by the previous owner as was the aft, port cabin wall and the v-berth walls so all I have to do is the main saloon and the inside, aft cabin wall. This job is a long way off so I'm still willing to consider other ideas. Thanks - Paul ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. Green cleaning products -- do they work as well? Find out now!

Michael - How long has the monkey fur been in your boat now? I presume it is holding up okay? Any mold or mildew issues? Paul From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls (Everyone Who Has Chimed In) When I bought Magic, the vinyl headliner was sagging on the starboard side near the forward port. The Florida heat and humidity really ages plastic. I promptly removed it all and went 5+ years with nothing but raw fiberglass. Recently, a friend that has an upholstery business came over and installed a new headliner. It is what she calls "monkey fur". It's a fuzzy fabric material that stretches and easily conforms to the contours of the cabin roof. It was secured with 3M adhesive spray glue: the industrial version. I'm happy with it, and more importantly the Admiral likes it. Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL --- On Tue, 4/21/09, pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 2:58 PM Those of you who removed your vinyl . . . was it sandwiched between the port frames? My ports are painted aluminum and I'd like to remove them and repaint them while I'm at it to make it easier to sand the20interior between them as well as making the ports look better but may not have that much time available to get involved in re-bedding all the ports. Thanks - Paul From: Rodney G Johnson <rjohnson24@juno. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:51 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Replacing Interior Vinyl on Cabin Walls  If the ceiling was already done, why are you planning to redo it? Or are you removing the vinyl from the overhead? Your boat must look nice with all the wood slats covering the ceiling, as well as all the bulkheads (I assume that you mean bulkheads when you say "walls"? Houses have walls, boats have bulkheads). The ceiling on a boat is the covering for the inside of the hull. As far as the idea of smoothing the hull interior surface with thickened epoxy, then painting it....I regularly watch SHIPSHAPE-TV with John G riviscus and he did exactly that on the inside of the hulls of several of his fiberglass powerboats (well, he does things a bit fancy at times, so used AWLGRIP, but still basically the same process!) and it sure worked for him. I would think that the large flat areas of a powerboat hull would flex at least as much as our old CAL hulls, if not more! He used epoxy thickened with a mixture of microballoons and coloidial silica fillers. You may be able to purchase a copy of that episode from his web site, it aired about 5 years ago though.....worth checking though! 0A The early (ours was a 1970) CAL 21s were built with a layer of smooth fiberglass cloth as the innermost layer of the hull laminate and this was sanded and painted. It looked good and was easy to maintain. (that awful paint/resin/ glop coating everyone talks about was only on the overhead and stood up fine on our boat...except on the underside of the cockpit seats. That was down over the quarterberths, so wasn't really visible!) Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" ; 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 and former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:46:24 -0400 pwestla@aol. com writes: Okay, So what I'm hearing is that don't attempt this job in August, wait until the boat is on the=2 0hard, dress warm and attack the removal in January in subfreezing temps. I was told not to go back with vinyl from someone not on the list as the same thing will eventually happen again. I am leaning toward West Systems epoxy with the 410 lightweight filler to smooth out the texture in the walls and will paint it when done. I just hope that it will flex enough not to crack. The ceiling was done with wood slats by the previous owner as was the aft, port cabin wall and the v-berth walls so all I have to do is the main saloon and the inside, aft cabin wall. This job is a long way off so I'm still willing to consider other ideas. Thanks - Paul ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. Green cleaning products -- do they work as well? Find out now!