135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion?

My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you think? Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good sail? The Web?

So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. Yours may be different. Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think that your performance would suffer significantly with a small headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a decent sheeting angle. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA From: acostavientos<mailto:ac… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you think? Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good sail? The Web? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I'd be worried about weather helm issues on the Cal 28 with a larger genoa. But it's all a matter of choice and perspective; larger sail area certainly gives more "horsepower" but if you're needing too much rudder to maintain a course, then what good is it doing you? On May 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit > for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. > Yours may be different. > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think > that your performance would suffer significantly with a small > headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most > breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the > 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a > decent sheeting angle. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acostavientos > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > suggestion? > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > think? > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > sail? The Web? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Matt Beland ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org

Ummm... Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Specially the "key" to the 100; that one cought my attention. Could you explain it a little bit more? Thanks again. Jose Acosta Cal 28, 1986, Water Lily Puerto Rico --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. Yours may be different. > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think that your performance would suffer significantly with a small headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a decent sheeting angle. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acostavientos<mailto:acostavientos@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? > > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you think? > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good sail? The Web? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

That's a very good one also. Thanks. So from your perspective, I guess you will go with the 135 instead? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Matt Beland <matt@...> wrote: > > I'd be worried about weather helm issues on the Cal 28 with a larger > genoa. But it's all a matter of choice and perspective; larger sail > area certainly gives more "horsepower" but if you're needing too much > rudder to maintain a course, then what good is it doing you? > > On May 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > > > > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit > > for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. > > Yours may be different. > > > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think > > that your performance would suffer significantly with a small > > headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most > > breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the > > 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a > > decent sheeting angle. > > > > Fin Beven > > Cal-40 #24 > > Radiant > > San Pedro, CA > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: acostavientos > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > > suggestion? > > > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > > think? > > > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > > sail? The Web? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt Beland > matt@... >

I was told by a sailmaker that those boats were designed to use the 150-155 as the all around headsail. However, if you are sailing just windward leward, and if you are able to take advantage of the tighter sheeting angle possible with a 100%, you would sail just as fast upwind with the 100% but point a little higher. It would only be worthwhile, however, if you fly spinnaker on downwind. If you do reaching coursed or fly white sails only, stay eith the 150+or-. We run a furling 150 by same sailmaker and competitors wonder why we sail so fast. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ac… [at] yahoo.com Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:49:47 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you think? Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good sail? The Web?

It's been my experience that a larger genoa actually produces less weather helm. It's a matter of balance. Years ago when I was working for a local sailmaker, we went out on a sail test of a genoa, and did not use the main. It was amazing how much leeward helm this induced. Most weather helm is generated by an over-trimmed (or too "baggie") mainsail. If you've got too much weather helm, try flattening the main (cunningham, outhaul, and halyard tension), and easing the traveler down a bit. As to the trim of the headsails, look for a sheeting angle of about 13 to 15 degrees (measured from centerline outboard) for non-overlapping headsails. As insignificant as this may sound, a sheeting angle of 18 degrees might be way too wide (unless you are reaching). The sail will stall (luff) way too early, and not allow you to sail to windward. By comparison more modern boats like Farr 40s and TP 52's use sheeting angles as narrow a 7 degrees. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Beland<mailto:ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? I'd be worried about weather helm issues on the Cal 28 with a larger genoa. But it's all a matter of choice and perspective; larger sail area certainly gives more "horsepower" but if you're needing too much rudder to maintain a course, then what good is it doing you? On May 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit > for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. > Yours may be different. > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think > that your performance would suffer significantly with a small > headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most > breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the > 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a > decent sheeting angle. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acostavientos > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > suggestion? > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > think? > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > sail? The Web? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Matt Beland ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org<mailto:ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org> ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

And here's another way of looking at it. Most of the pressure on a main sail is on the aft-third of the sail (essentially encompassing the area of the battens). The wind pressure on this area pushes the stern down and thus rotates the bow up into the wind. Thus, weather helm to counteract. The opposite is true of the headsail. It pushes the bow down, and thus counteracts weather helm. If you pick the right combination, you should end up with just a few degrees of weather helm (3 - 5 degrees).. At least this is how it seems to work on the Cal-40, which seems to have similar proportions to the Cal-28. With the Cal-40, the 100 is very efficient in anything over 13 kts, TWS. We tack quicker, and therefore come back up to speed quicker. And its much easier on the crew. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fin Beven<mailto:fi… [at] msn.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? It's been my experience that a larger genoa actually produces less weather helm. It's a matter of balance. Years ago when I was working for a local sailmaker, we went out on a sail test of a genoa, and did not use the main. It was amazing how much leeward helm this induced. Most weather helm is generated by an over-trimmed (or too "baggie") mainsail. If you've got too much weather helm, try flattening the main (cunningham, outhaul, and halyard tension), and easing the traveler down a bit. As to the trim of the headsails, look for a sheeting angle of about 13 to 15 degrees (measured from centerline outboard) for non-overlapping headsails. As insignificant as this may sound, a sheeting angle of 18 degrees might be way too wide (unless you are reaching). The sail will stall (luff) way too early, and not allow you to sail to windward. By comparison more modern boats like Farr 40s and TP 52's use sheeting angles as narrow a 7 degrees. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Beland<mailto:ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? I'd be worried about weather helm issues on the Cal 28 with a larger genoa. But it's all a matter of choice and perspective; larger sail area certainly gives more "horsepower" but if you're needing too much rudder to maintain a course, then what good is it doing you? On May 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit > for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. > Yours may be different. > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think > that your performance would suffer significantly with a small > headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most > breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the > 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a > decent sheeting angle. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acostavientos > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > suggestion? > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > think? > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > sail? The Web? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Matt Beland ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org<mailto:ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org> ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Contact me off the list. I have a used 155 that is sitting in my basement. It may be an inexpensive way to try out a 155. Les Hester Bay Breeze 3-29#1005 Swan Creek, Md. From: acostavientos To: Cal Boats Sent: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you think? Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good sail? The Web?

average wind speed in the area you race is a significant consideration. OUr winds favor the 150. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: fi… [at] msn.com Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:57:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? And here's another way of looking at it. Most of the pressure on a main sail is on the aft-third of the sail (essentially encompassing the area of the battens). The wind pressure on this area pushes the stern down and thus rotates the bow up into the wind. Thus, weather helm to counteract. The opposite is true of the headsail. It pushes the bow down, and thus counteracts weather helm. If you pick the right combination, you should end up with just a few degrees of weather helm (3 - 5 degrees).. At least this is how it seems to work on the Cal-40, which seems to have similar proportions to the Cal-28. With the Cal-40, the 100 is very efficient in anything over 13 kts, TWS. We tack quicker, and therefore come back up to speed quicker. And its much easier on the crew. Fin. From: Fin Beven To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? It's been my experience that a larger genoa actually produces less weather helm. It's a matter of balance. Years ago when I was working for a local sailmaker, we went out on a sail test of a genoa, and did not use the main. It was amazing how much leeward helm this induced. Most weather helm is generated by an over-trimmed (or too "baggie") mainsail. If you've got too much weather helm, try flattening the main (cunningham, outhaul, and halyard tension), and easing the traveler down a bit. As to the trim of the headsails, look for a sheeting angle of about 13 to 15 degrees (measured from centerline outboard) for non-overlapping headsails. As insignificant as this may sound, a sheeting angle of 18 degrees might be way too wide (unless you are reaching). The sail will stall (luff) way too early, and not allow you to sail to windward. By comparison more modern boats like Farr 40s and TP 52's use sheeting angles as narrow a 7 degrees. Fin. From: Matt Beland To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? I'd be worried about weather helm issues on the Cal 28 with a larger genoa. But it's all a matter of choice and perspective; larger sail area certainly gives more "horsepower" but if you're needing too much rudder to maintain a course, then what good is it doing you? On May 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit > for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. > Yours may be different. > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think > that your performance would suffer significantly with a small > headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most > breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the > 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a > decent sheeting angle. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acostavientos > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > suggestion? > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > think? > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > sail? The Web? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Matt Beland ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

And one more thought. The point is to be competitive. Take a look at what the "fast" guys in your area are doing. If similar boats are sailing with larger headsails and also have smaller headsails for when it's breezy, you will be competitive in lighter and heavier breezes if you also have both options. If similar boats are rated with smaller headsails and have been given a rating benefit for the smaller sails, you may still be competitive in lighter breezes even if you pay a rating penalty for the larger sail. However, your rating penalty will be of no value when it blows harder. Similarly, if similar boats are typically rated with larger headsails, and if you gain a rating advantage for rating with a smaller headsail, you should have an advantage on the breezy days, but may not be competitive on the lighter days. The point is to be competitive most of the time, in the conditions you are most likely to see. And ..... while you're at it, don't neglect the importance of a clean bottom, minimal propeller drag, minimal "junk" weight on board, plenty of crew-weight on the rail when it's breezy, and good tactics. Keep good notes on what has worked (and not worked) in the past, and re-read your notes before each regatta. Fin. From: r good<mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? average wind speed in the area you race is a significant consideration. OUr winds favor the 150. Reggie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> From: fi… [at] msn.com<mailto:fi… [at] msn.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:57:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? And here's another way of looking at it. Most of the pressure on a main sail is on the aft-third of the sail (essentially encompassing the area of the battens). The wind pressure on this area pushes the stern down and thus rotates the bow up into the wind. Thus, weather helm to counteract. The opposite is true of the headsail. It pushes the bow down, and thus counteracts weather helm. If you pick the right combination, you should end up with just a few degrees of weather helm (3 - 5 degrees).. At least this is how it seems to work on the Cal-40, which seems to have similar proportions to the Cal-28. With the Cal-40, the 100 is very efficient in anything over 13 kts, TWS. We tack quicker, and therefore come back up to speed quicker. And its much easier on the crew. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fin Beven<mailto:fi… [at] msn.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? It's been my experience that a larger genoa actually produces less weather helm. It's a matter of balance. Years ago when I was working for a local sailmaker, we went out on a sail test of a genoa, and did not use the main. It was amazing how much leeward helm this induced. Most weather helm is generated by an over-trimmed (or too "baggie") mainsail. If you've got too much weather helm, try flattening the main (cunningham, outhaul, and halyard tension), and easing the traveler down a bit. As to the trim of the headsails, look for a sheeting angle of about 13 to 15 degrees (measured from centerline outboard) for non-overlapping headsails. As insignificant as this may sound, a sheeting angle of 18 degrees might be way too wide (unless you are reaching). The sail will stall (luff) way too early, and not allow you to sail to windward. By comparison more modern boats like Farr 40s and TP 52's use sheeting angles as narrow a 7 degrees. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Beland<mailto:ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? I'd be worried about weather helm issues on the Cal 28 with a larger genoa. But it's all a matter of choice and perspective; larger sail area certainly gives more "horsepower" but if you're needing too much rudder to maintain a course, then what good is it doing you? On May 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > So far as I know, our local (SoCal) PHRF does not give any benefit > for smaller headsails. We can go up to 155% without penalty. > Yours may be different. > > Unless your winds are typically constant and heavy, I would think > that your performance would suffer significantly with a small > headsail (135) in light-to-medium breezes. > > Your 100 and a 155 would seem like the ideal combination for most > breezes. That is all we use on Radiant. However, the "key" to the > 100 is the ability to sheet it inboard of the main shrouds to get a > decent sheeting angle. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acostavientos > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > suggestion? > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > think? > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > sail? The Web? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Matt Beland ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org<mailto:ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org> ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

A couple items, Jose. As others have mentioned, the average winds in your area are important. Not to mention the sea conditions which can make you drive in totally different way if sloppy. Also, you have a 1986 28 whose keel configuration/shape I am not familiar with. Another trick I have found is to shorten the forestay to get less windward helm if that is a problem. Depending on the cut of the sail, some forestay sag upwind and an obscenely loose jib halyard also helps. Most of my experience says that looser rather than tighter is better for many sail controls. A very tightly drawn sail looks very pretty, but does not work well on some kinds of boats (like my 25s). To the list of boat items (clean bottom, weight, and the like), I would add driving concentration. You can lose a lot of ground not responding to shifts or hitting a wave the wrong way. If your average winds are under 15 knots, I'd go 155. But then free advice is what it is worth. Cheers Charlie Annapolis, MD > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: acostavientos > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > > suggestion? > > > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > > think? > > > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > > sail? The Web?

Oops! a 1986? is that still masthead rigged? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: hu… [at] bah.com Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:00:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any suggestion? A couple items, Jose. As others have mentioned, the average winds in your area are important. Not to mention the sea conditions which can make you drive in totally different way if sloppy. Also, you have a 1986 28 whose keel configuration/shape I am not familiar with. Another trick I have found is to shorten the forestay to get less windward helm if that is a problem. Depending on the cut of the sail, some forestay sag upwind and an obscenely loose jib halyard also helps. Most of my experience says that looser rather than tighter is better for many sail controls. A very tightly drawn sail looks very pretty, but does not work well on some kinds of boats (like my 25s). To the list of boat items (clean bottom, weight, and the like), I would add driving concentration. You can lose a lot of ground not responding to shifts or hitting a wave the wrong way. If your average winds are under 15 knots, I'd go 155. But then free advice is what it is worth. Cheers Charlie Annapolis, MD > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: acostavientos > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:49 PM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 135 or a higher genoa on a Cal 28? Any > > suggestion? > > > > My Cal 28 have a 100-110 jib on a rolling furlling. I'm thinking on > > upgrading, looking for more speed, due to a upcoming regatta. > > Everybody I have ask, points me to a 135, not higher. What do you > > think? > > > > Any suggestion based on a good experience to order a low price, good > > sail? The Web?