US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes

Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement. http://maps.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

Chris, Even after hurricane Ike, I can say that Clear Lake is a very safe place with a few added notes. We were hit hard by Ike but the marina's that were built well sustained little to no damage. I had two boats (Just sold a 30' Bristol) in Boardwalk Marina, which is on the northwest tip of Galveston bay, and did not have any damage to either boat. Any of the area marina's that had floating docks with risers greater then 15' survived the storm. The marina's that had problems were the ones with 30 year old piers, piers that did not float, had no risers and were basically in disrepair or the marina's that have boats that never see their owners. The marina's that I would trust are Waterford Harbor, South Shore Harbor, Boardwalk Marina and some of the newly rebuilt Watergate Marina. I am hoping that we will not see a storm as big as Ike in a while but I feel pretty safe. The good thing about the Texas coast is that it is affordable when comparing it to other parts of the country. I am not in love with Houston, however I don't venture away from the coast unless I really have to. I purchased "Wheee Dogggie" (Previously L'Esprit Libre) in Rockport, Tx but would never bring my boat back there. The marina's were just not to par. Before my purchase, my Cal 40 hailed out of Corpus Christi and it does seem like a nice place to hang out for a while (Once again, if the marina is a modern, floating marina.) Good luck with your search, Patrick Wheee Dogggie 1968 Cal 40 #137 From: chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:42:14 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement. http://maps. csc.noaa. gov/hurricanes/ viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

I would have to second the comment on Clear Lake. I grew up in that area. We moored our boat in a marina in San Leon, but moved it to Clear Lake when hurricanes approached. We never had a problem. I am not in love with the Houston area either which is why I now live in the beautiful Pacific Northwest now. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, WA From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:15 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Chris, Even after hurricane Ike, I can say that Clear Lake is a very safe place with a few added notes. We were hit hard by Ike but the marina's that were built well sustained little to no damage. I had two boats (Just sold a 30' Bristol) in Boardwalk Marina, which is on the northwest tip of Galveston bay, and did not have any damage to either boat. Any of the area marina's that had floating docks with risers greater then 15' survived the storm. The marina's that had problems were the ones with 30 year old piers, piers that did not float, had no risers and were basically in disrepair or the marina's that have boats that never see their owners. The marina's that I would trust are Waterford Harbor, South Shore Harbor, Boardwalk Marina and some of the newly rebuilt Watergate Marina. I am hoping that we will not see a storm as big as Ike in a while but I feel pretty safe. The good thing about the Texas coast is that it is affordable when comparing it to other parts of the country. I am not in love with Houston, however I don't venture away from the coast unless I really have to. I purchased "Wheee Dogggie" (Previously L'Esprit Libre) in Rockport, Tx but would never bring my boat back there. The marina's were just not to par. Before my purchase, my Cal 40 hailed out of Corpus Christi and it does seem like a nice place to hang out for a while (Once again, if the marina is a modern, floating marina.) Good luck with your search, Patrick Wheee Dogggie 1968 Cal 40 #137 _____ From: chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:42:14 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement. http://maps. <http://maps.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/viewer.html> csc.noaa. gov/hurricanes/ viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

Chris- Why is continental US a requirement? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Patrick Fiega <pf… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 12:15:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Chris, Even after hurricane Ike, I can say that Clear Lake is a very safe place with a few added notes. We were hit hard by Ike but the marina's that were built well sustained little to no damage. I had two boats (Just sold a 30' Bristol) in Boardwalk Marina, which is on the northwest tip of Galveston bay, and did not have any damage to either boat. Any of the area marina's that had floating docks with risers greater then 15' survived the storm. The marina's that had problems were the ones with 30 year old piers, piers that did not float, had no risers and were basically in disrepair or the marina's that have boats that never see their owners. The marina's that I would trust are Waterford Harbor, South Shore Harbor, Boardwalk Marina and some of the newly rebuilt Watergate Marina. I am hoping that we will not see a storm as big as Ike in a while but I feel pretty safe. The good thing about the Texas coast is that it is affordable when comparing it to other parts of the country. I am not in love with Houston, however I don't venture away from the coast unless I really have to. I purchased "Wheee Dogggie" (Previously L'Esprit Libre) in Rockport, Tx but would never bring my boat back there. The marina's were just not to par. Before my purchase, my Cal 40 hailed out of Corpus Christi and it does seem like a nice place to hang out for a while (Once again, if the marina is a modern, floating marina.) Good luck with your search, Patrick Wheee Dogggie 1968 Cal 40 #137 From: chris h <chris123@magma. ca> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:42:14 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement. http://maps. csc.noaa. gov/hurricanes/ viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

On Wednesday 06 May 2009 12:36:12 Read Howarth wrote: > Chris- > > Why is continental US a requirement? I knew someone would ask this. It may sound really silly but here goes. (sailing with pets content that some may wish to ignore) I have a purebread German German Shepard that was a rescue dog two years back. Former breading bitch in a basement puppy mill in the Nations Capital no less that was dumped in the bush (forest) as she had a bacterial vag infection. Simple solution. No longer profitable. Her pups would have been between 1500-2K CDN with German pedigree papers. Tattoo is in the right ear. She's now the pride of the neighborhood is fully trained on voice and hand signals always off leash, always off collar. Simply free to be but totally loyal and even obeys on facial expressions. The local kids adore her and a true companion. The good part. The not so good part. The dog was freeking out when I rebuild the house to put it up for sale to the point that she started chewing up her rear legs. Spoke with the breeder/trainer (30 years plus with Shepard's and trains for the regional police) who explained that it was simple. The bond between us is now so strong and given her history of abandonment she knows the we are moving and has sever separation anxiety. I have two option only, either keep her or have her put down as she will not adapt to yet another owner. So a week later, some solid beef femurs and a few hrs of play time in the park each and every night plus returning to work where she guards the truck full of tools and she's fine again. She needs to work (as this is a working breed) and some serious play time to reaffirm everything is OK...just like a kid in some respects. So now I'm friggen married to a dog no pun intended. She's too young and far to bright to be put down. So for now that is not an option. Frack, but what to do. Last night I reviewed the importation requirements for Cuba, Mexico, Belize and Guatemala to get down to Rio Dulce. With shots and paperwork I'm looking at almost 2K. That's a good used spare main sail or brand spanking new top of the line propane range installed. This is friggen nuts. Secondly there is a timeline/schedule requirement for those shots that I may or may not make. I had planned on a reasonably scheduleless trip. No longer if I proceed with the initial routing. So what I'm considering is this, pending on the timing of the sale of the house, float down the east coast this fall and look for a hurricane harbor in the US for season one to hang out in. Corpus does not look like a bad place to be on the initial search. (Hence the info request) Basically a shake out cruise to see how she and I adapt to being on board. It will either work or not work as I have no plans on going ashore each night, so she will have some learning to do and I will have to practice extreme patience something that I am not known for. At the end of that period, season one, I will know what I have to do. Single guy is now married to a cutie, a little too hairy, no sex but at least she doesn't talk balk. Sounds better then some marriages I know. Could be worse I suppose. She's a babe magnet so there are some benefits. Seems to attract woman over 50 though, so gotta work on that part. This was not planned at all but she is too young at six and far to bright to be subjected to the alternative just because I want to go exploring and a lifestyle change. It will either work out or it won't. Decisions will be delayed for one season while we both adapt to the new setting. If it works out, then she will be re-examined and get a second series of shots in the States and will spring for the costs to move on to season two on route to Rio Dulce via Cuba, Mexico and Belize. If not, well we will go for a very long walk on a friends farm in Austin. It will be an even longer walk back to the bunk house. My condition on getting a dog at 50 was no heroics. Having had this bread before I looked at over 30 dogs before talking this one on. She's top notch both in terms of personality, breading, and pedigree despite the abuse. There is a limit however that should not be crossed and that applies to both of us. The attached photo is with my buddy in St. Catherines ON Canada, the week before he set sail for the Caribbean. We had worked on the plan for 3 years and the boat for one winter and spring. He's doing really well. Singlehanded all the way, currently in Belize on route to Guatemala. So, that's the story. Dang not what I had planned at all. But who knows it could turn out to be a blast. She loves sailboats and spend a season on my CS22 on the Ottawa River so she's no stranger to sailing. Apologies for the long post. -- /ch

Chris- She is beatiful. A well trained dog is an amazing animal. Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:56:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes On Wednesday 06 May 2009 12:36:12 Read Howarth wrote: > Chris- > > Why is continental US a requirement? I knew someone would ask this. It may sound really silly but here goes. (sailing with pets content that some may wish to ignore) I have a purebread German German Shepard that was a rescue dog two years back. Former breading bitch in a basement puppy mill in the Nations Capital no less that was dumped in the bush (forest) as she had a bacterial vag infection. Simple solution. No longer profitable. Her pups would have been between 1500-2K CDN with German pedigree papers. Tattoo is in the right ear. She's now the pride of the neighborhood is fully trained on voice and hand signals always off leash, always off collar. Simply free to be but totally loyal and even obeys on facial expressions. The local kids adore her and a true companion. The good part. The not so good part. The dog was freeking out when I rebuild the house to put it up for sale to the point that she started chewing up her rear legs. Spoke with the breeder/trainer (30 years plus with Shepard's and trains for the regional police) who explained that it was simple. The bond between us is now so strong and given her history of abandonment she knows the we are moving and has sever separation anxiety. I have two option only, either keep her or have her put down as she will not adapt to yet another owner. So a week later, some solid beef femurs and a few hrs of play time in the park each and every night plus returning to work where she guards the truck full of tools and she's fine again. She needs to work (as this is a working breed) and some serious play time to reaffirm everything is OK...just like a kid in some respects. So now I'm friggen married to a dog no pun intended. She's too young and far to bright to be put down. So for now that is not an option. Frack, but what to do. Last night I reviewed the importation requirements for Cuba, Mexico, Belize and Guatemala to get down to Rio Dulce. With shots and paperwork I'm looking at almost 2K. That's a good used spare main sail or brand spanking new top of the line propane range installed. This is friggen nuts. Secondly there is a timeline/schedule requirement for those shots that I may or may not make. I had planned on a reasonably scheduleless trip. No longer if I proceed with the initial routing. So what I'm considering is this, pending on the timing of the sale of the house, float down the east coast this fall and look for a hurricane harbor in the US for season one to hang out in. Corpus does not look like a bad place to be on the initial search. (Hence the info request) Basically a shake out cruise to see how she and I adapt to being on board. It will either work or not work as I have no plans on going ashore each night, so she will have some learning to do and I will have to practice extreme patience something that I am not known for. At the end of that period, season one, I will know what I have to do. Single guy is now married to a cutie, a little too hairy, no sex but at least she doesn't talk balk. Sounds better then some marriages I know. Could be worse I suppose. She's a babe magnet so there are some benefits. Seems to attract woman over 50 though, so gotta work on that part. This was not planned at all but she is too young at six and far to bright to be subjected to the alternative just because I want to go exploring and a lifestyle change. It will either work out or it won't. Decisions will be delayed for one season while we both adapt to the new setting. If it works out, then she will be re-examined and get a second series of shots in the States and will spring for the costs to move on to season two on route to Rio Dulce via Cuba, Mexico and Belize. If not, well we will go for a very long walk on a friends farm in Austin. It will be an even longer walk back to the bunk house. My condition on getting a dog at 50 was no heroics. Having had this bread before I looked at over 30 dogs before talking this one on. She's top notch both in terms of personality, breading, and pedigree despite the abuse. There is a limit however that should not be crossed and that applies to both of us. The attached photo is with my buddy in St. Catherines ON Canada, the week before he set sail for the Caribbean. We had worked on the plan for 3 years and the boat for one winter and spring. He's doing really well. Singlehanded all the way, currently in Belize on route to Guatemala. So, that's the story. Dang not what I had planned at all. But who knows it could turn out to be a blast. She loves sailboats and spend a season on my CS22 on the Ottawa River so she's no stranger to sailing. Apologies for the long post. -- /ch

On Wednesday 06 May 2009 14:15:13 Read Howarth wrote: > Chris- > > She is beatiful. A well trained dog is an amazing animal. Agreed. Hence I cant do the deed at this point. Will give it some time to see how it turns out. -- /ch

Hi Chris, Pensacola does not qualify as a hurricane hole, rather a hurricane magnet. Since 1995 we have had about six hurricanes, Ivan in 2004 hit us hard. Little damage to our Cal 46, but our Cal 20 was totalled. Depending on your mast height, there are many places along the way where you can run up rivers or creeks if youmove fast before the locals take all of the good places. Be sure to keep in contact and stop by Bayou Chico on your way. We can always make a space at our dock for a Cal boat. We are also "dog friendly", Buster the "Wonder Dog" is our neighbors Blue Heeler who has free run of our yards, plus Keera, another beautiful Shepard lives next door. She looks like she could be sisters with your dog. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 Satori, Hull #3, Cal 25, Bravura, Hull #737 From: chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:42:14 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement.. http://maps. csc.noaa. gov/hurricanes/ viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

Chris- What does your route look like in its preliminary form? Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 2:55:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Hi Chris, Pensacola does not qualify as a hurricane hole, rather a hurricane magnet. Since 1995 we have had about six hurricanes, Ivan in 2004 hit us hard. Little damage to our Cal 46, but our Cal 20 was totalled. Depending on your mast height, there are many places along the way where you can run up rivers or creeks if youmove fast before the locals take all of the good places. Be sure to keep in contact and stop by Bayou Chico on your way. We can always make a space at our dock for a Cal boat. We are also "dog friendly", Buster the "Wonder Dog" is our neighbors Blue Heeler who has free run of our yards, plus Keera, another beautiful Shepard lives next door. She looks like she could be sisters with your dog. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 Satori, Hull #3, Cal 25, Bravura, Hull #737 From: chris h <chris123@magma. ca> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:42:14 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement. http://maps. csc.noaa. gov/hurricanes/ viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

On Wednesday 06 May 2009 11:42:14 chris h wrote: Thanks all for your information, kindness and invites. Good to have this kind of information as the region is totally foreign to me. I guess I need to be a bit more specific. Looking for data on (A) honey hurricane holes along the coastline and (B) a good harbor to sit out the hurricane season that is friendly to cruisers who technically could be considered as live-a-boards pending how you translate the legislation. So far Corpus Christi City Marina seems to be the best place as its not as humid as Houston, weather is good, manyana is pervasive, has good airline connections for friends to come visit and the rates are very reasonsable. -- /ch

On Wednesday 06 May 2009 15:02:24 Read Howarth wrote: > Chris- > > What does your route look like in its preliminary form? Two starting points to be determined as to when the property moves. Either Maine where the boat is or Lake Ontario after having it brought home overland (2 days vs 4 weeks at basically the same cost). In either case the boat will have to be prepared and outfitted. I would rather do this in home waters as I know the layout of the landscape so to speak but if it gets late it is possible to complete the work in Maine and start from their. The drawback is it an unknown in terms of available services, rates etc. Its basically a logistics and schedule exercise at this point where the milestone is unloading the homestead. If Maine then down the coast to Cape Cod into NYC via the Cape Cod Canal and the inside of Long Island on to New Jersey and down to Norfolk, explore the Chesapeake and then finally into the ICW. Exit in Miami and on to Marathon. Cross over to Cuba and hang out, Cross back to Mexico down to Belize and into Guatemala into Rio Dulce. End of season one. If Lake Ontario then the only difference is cross the lake into Oswego NY and down the NY Canal system into the Hudson to NYC. From their the route is the same. That was the original plan for season one. The change that I will probably make is from Marathon onwards. Instead of heading S in season one, will propably head N along the Florida coast to the pan handle along the coastline ending up most likely in Corpus Christi at this point. So time of year becomes increasingly important on the last stretch as the distance is actually longer then the original plan and to some degree counter the main current in the region. I still have a lot of studying to do as this was not at all planned and the area is totally foreign to me. The rest has been reviewed in sufficient detail to be comfortable with. We will see. First I need to reach the next milestone mark. That's the priority right now. Estimated departure is date Sept. That gives me 6-8 month to make it to Corpus or alternates on route provided I make Miami before or by December. The Sept to Dec Lake Ontario to Miami route is and annual "CDN snow bird" pilgrimage. This route is well documented as several hundred vessels make this run annually. See graphic attached. Best regards -- /ch

I hope all my Cal list friends in Santa Barbara are ok ,looking at the news this is a bad fire Dave Paulson Allergia ----- Original Message ----- From: chris h To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes On Wednesday 06 May 2009 15:02:24 Read Howarth wrote: > Chris- > > What does your route look like in its preliminary form? Two starting points to be determined as to when the property moves. Either Maine where the boat is or Lake Ontario after having it brought home overland (2 days vs 4 weeks at basically the same cost). In either case the boat will have to be prepared and outfitted. I would rather do this in home waters as I know the layout of the landscape so to speak but if it gets late it is possible to complete the work in Maine and start from their. The drawback is it an unknown in terms of available services, rates etc. Its basically a logistics and schedule exercise at this point where the milestone is unloading the homestead. If Maine then down the coast to Cape Cod into NYC via the Cape Cod Canal and the inside of Long Island on to New Jersey and down to Norfolk, explore the Chesapeake and then finally into the ICW. Exit in Miami and on to Marathon. Cross over to Cuba and hang out, Cross back to Mexico down to Belize and into Guatemala into Rio Dulce. End of season one. If Lake Ontario then the only difference is cross the lake into Oswego NY and down the NY Canal system into the Hudson to NYC. From their the route is the same. That was the original plan for season one. The change that I will probably make is from Marathon onwards. Instead of heading S in season one, will propably head N along the Florida coast to the pan handle along the coastline ending up most likely in Corpus Christi at this point. So time of year becomes increasingly important on the last stretch as the distance is actually longer then the original plan and to some degree counter the main current in the region. I still have a lot of studying to do as this was not at all planned and the area is totally foreign to me. The rest has been reviewed in sufficient detail to be comfortable with. We will see. First I need to reach the next milestone mark. That's the priority right now. Estimated departure is date Sept. That gives me 6-8 month to make it to Corpus or alternates on route provided I make Miami before or by December. The Sept to Dec Lake Ontario to Miami route is and annual "CDN snow bird" pilgrimage. This route is well documented as several hundred vessels make this run annually. See graphic attached. Best regards -- /ch

Hi Dave, The fire has grown this afternoon quite a bit though right now (6:00pm) the winds seem calmer. It remains to be seen if the Sundowners kick up and hit the 40mph+ gusts a little later. That would be very bad as I have seen several homes go up from my vantage point at UCSB. Mandatory evacuation boundaries have been extended. I have some photos from yesterday evening up at the link below. We may head to Footloose in Ventura if we have to evacuate. One less desirable way to see the boat a little more. http://picasaweb.google.com/kirkgrier/JesusitaFire?feat=directlink Links with coverage: http://www.countyofsb.org/ceo/dept0.aspx http://www.independent.com/news/jesusita-fire/ Kirk Grier Cal 34 Footloose in Ventura Homestead in Santa Barbara Dave & Cathy Paulson wrote: > > > >  > > I hope all my Cal list friends in Santa Barbara are ok ,looking at the > news this is a bad fire > Dave Paulson > Allergia > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* chris h <mailto:ch… [at] magma.ca> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes > > On Wednesday 06 May 2009 15:02:24 Read Howarth wrote: > > Chris- > > > > What does your route look like in its preliminary form? > > Two starting points to be determined as to when the property moves. > Either > Maine where the boat is or Lake Ontario after having it brought home > overland > (2 days vs 4 weeks at basically the same cost). In either case the > boat will > have to be prepared and outfitted. I would rather do this in home > waters as I > know the layout of the landscape so to speak but if it gets late it is > possible to complete the work in Maine and start from their. The > drawback is > it an unknown in terms of available services, rates etc. Its > basically a > logistics and schedule exercise at this point where the milestone is > unloading the homestead. > > If Maine then down the coast to Cape Cod into NYC via the Cape Cod > Canal and > the inside of Long Island on to New Jersey and down to Norfolk, > explore the > Chesapeake and then finally into the ICW. Exit in Miami and on to > Marathon. > Cross over to Cuba and hang out, Cross back to Mexico down to Belize > and into > Guatemala into Rio Dulce. End of season one. > > If Lake Ontario then the only difference is cross the lake into > Oswego NY and > down the NY Canal system into the Hudson to NYC. From their the > route is the > same. > > That was the original plan for season one. > > The change that I will probably make is from Marathon onwards. > Instead of > heading S in season one, will propably head N along the Florida > coast to the > pan handle along the coastline ending up most likely in Corpus > Christi at > this point. So time of year becomes increasingly important on the last > stretch as the distance is actually longer then the original plan > and to some > degree counter the main current in the region. I still have a lot of > studying > to do as this was not at all planned and the area is totally foreign > to me. > The rest has been reviewed in sufficient detail to be comfortable with. > > We will see. First I need to reach the next milestone mark. That's the > priority right now. Estimated departure is date Sept. That gives me > 6-8 month > to make it to Corpus or alternates on route provided I make Miami > before or > by December. > > The Sept to Dec Lake Ontario to Miami route is and annual "CDN snow > bird" > pilgrimage. This route is well documented as several hundred vessels > make > this run annually. See graphic attached. > > Best regards > > -- > > /ch > > -- Kirk Grier kg… [at] kirkgrier.com

Kirk We are watching the news and its hard to not feel the pain of thoes in the fire s path I hope all of you of my Santa Barbra friends are ok Dave and Cathy Paulson Allergia ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Grier To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara fires Hi Dave, The fire has grown this afternoon quite a bit though right now (6:00pm) the winds seem calmer. It remains to be seen if the Sundowners kick up and hit the 40mph+ gusts a little later. That would be very bad as I have seen several homes go up from my vantage point at UCSB. Mandatory evacuation boundaries have been extended. I have some photos from yesterday evening up at the link below. We may head to Footloose in Ventura if we have to evacuate. One less desirable way to see the boat a little more. http://picasaweb.google.com/kirkgrier/JesusitaFire?feat=directlink Links with coverage: http://www.countyofsb.org/ceo/dept0.aspx http://www.independent.com/news/jesusita-fire/ Kirk Grier Cal 34 Footloose in Ventura Homestead in Santa Barbara Dave & Cathy Paulson wrote: > > > >  > > I hope all my Cal list friends in Santa Barbara are ok ,looking at the > news this is a bad fire > Dave Paulson > Allergia > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* chris h <mailto:ch… [at] magma.ca> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes > > On Wednesday 06 May 2009 15:02:24 Read Howarth wrote: > > Chris- > > > > What does your route look like in its preliminary form? > > Two starting points to be determined as to when the property moves. > Either > Maine where the boat is or Lake Ontario after having it brought home > overland > (2 days vs 4 weeks at basically the same cost). In either case the > boat will > have to be prepared and outfitted. I would rather do this in home > waters as I > know the layout of the landscape so to speak but if it gets late it is > possible to complete the work in Maine and start from their. The > drawback is > it an unknown in terms of available services, rates etc. Its > basically a > logistics and schedule exercise at this point where the milestone is > unloading the homestead. > > If Maine then down the coast to Cape Cod into NYC via the Cape Cod > Canal and > the inside of Long Island on to New Jersey and down to Norfolk, > explore the > Chesapeake and then finally into the ICW. Exit in Miami and on to > Marathon. > Cross over to Cuba and hang out, Cross back to Mexico down to Belize > and into > Guatemala into Rio Dulce. End of season one. > > If Lake Ontario then the only difference is cross the lake into > Oswego NY and > down the NY Canal system into the Hudson to NYC. From their the > route is the > same. > > That was the original plan for season one. > > The change that I will probably make is from Marathon onwards. > Instead of > heading S in season one, will propably head N along the Florida > coast to the > pan handle along the coastline ending up most likely in Corpus > Christi at > this point. So time of year becomes increasingly important on the last > stretch as the distance is actually longer then the original plan > and to some > degree counter the main current in the region. I still have a lot of > studying > to do as this was not at all planned and the area is totally foreign > to me. > The rest has been reviewed in sufficient detail to be comfortable with. > > We will see. First I need to reach the next milestone mark. That's the > priority right now. Estimated departure is date Sept. That gives me > 6-8 month > to make it to Corpus or alternates on route provided I make Miami > before or > by December. > > The Sept to Dec Lake Ontario to Miami route is and annual "CDN snow > bird" > pilgrimage. This route is well documented as several hundred vessels > make > this run annually. See graphic attached. > > Best regards > > -- > > /ch > > -- Kirk Grier kg… [at] kirkgrier.com

Hi Chris- Thanks for the routes A poster on another site www.plasticclassicforum.com is taking his Pearson Triton form Maine to Texas. You may want to look at his web site: http://www.kaholee.net/ As you indicate, many others have documented their travels along the way but he has some food and beverage reviews in his log which may be of use. Also, he may be able to help with recommedations for services in Maine, as he refitted his boat there. Regards, Read Read S. Howarth Moorestown, New Jersey rs… [at] yahoo.com From: chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 5:20:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes On Wednesday 06 May 2009 15:02:24 Read Howarth wrote: > Chris- > > What does your route look like in its preliminary form? Two starting points to be determined as to when the property moves. Either Maine where the boat is or Lake Ontario after having it brought home overland (2 days vs 4 weeks at basically the same cost). In either case the boat will have to be prepared and outfitted. I would rather do this in home waters as I know the layout of the landscape so to speak but if it gets late it is possible to complete the work in Maine and start from their. The drawback is it an unknown in terms of available services, rates etc. Its basically a logistics and schedule exercise at this point where the milestone is unloading the homestead. If Maine then down the coast to Cape Cod into NYC via the Cape Cod Canal and the inside of Long Island on to New Jersey and down to Norfolk, explore the Chesapeake and then finally into the ICW. Exit in Miami and on to Marathon. Cross over to Cuba and hang out, Cross back to Mexico down to Belize and into Guatemala into Rio Dulce. End of season one. If Lake Ontario then the only difference is cross the lake into Oswego NY and down the NY Canal system into the Hudson to NYC. From their the route is the same. That was the original plan for season one. The change that I will probably make is from Marathon onwards. Instead of heading S in season one, will propably head N along the Florida coast to the pan handle along the coastline ending up most likely in Corpus Christi at this point. So time of year becomes increasingly important on the last stretch as the distance is actually longer then the original plan and to some degree counter the main current in the region. I still have a lot of studying to do as this was not at all planned and the area is totally foreign to me. The rest has been reviewed in sufficient detail to be comfortable with. We will see. First I need to reach the next milestone mark. That's the priority right now. Estimated departure is date Sept. That gives me 6-8 month to make it to Corpus or alternates on route provided I make Miami before or by December. The Sept to Dec Lake Ontario to Miami route is and annual "CDN snow bird" pilgrimage. This route is well documented as several hundred vessels make this run annually. See graphic attached. Best regards -- /ch

On Thursday 07 May 2009 08:27:47 Read Howarth wrote: > Hi Chris- > > Thanks for the routes > > A poster on another site www.plasticclassicforum.com is taking his Pearson > Triton form Maine to Texas. You may want to look at his web site: > http://www.kaholee.net/ Thanks Read. That may be a good source of info and will check it out. Aside from the usual guidebooks and charts, another resource that I will be using along the way is ActiveCaptain for local knowledge along the way to supplement print resources. Its free and a good resource. -- /ch

If you will be cruising the Atlantic intracoastal, be sure to subscribe to Claiborn youngs Salty Southeast. This is a good "cruiser net" here on the east coast http://www.cruisersnet.net/ Sign up for e-mail, and enjoy John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris h Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:42 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes Greets: Worked on some route planning last night as Ive had to change my itinerary. Was wondering if anyone has any info on suitable hurricane holes along the US shoreline in the Gulf. Basically I'm looking for a place to hang out for the hurricane season, that is in the Gulf, and in the US. Looking at the NOAA historical hurricane GIS plot it seems that Corpus Cristi and point south are really the only viable spots in the Gulf while remaining in the Continental USA, which has now become a requirement. http://maps.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/viewer.html Any info or insights would be greatly appreciated. tks -- /ch

On Friday 08 May 2009 18:58:40 john raxter wrote: > http://www.cruisersnet.net/ > Sign up for e-mail, and enjoy Thanks John, already subscribed to that list. Its a good resource. Tks.....kindly -- /ch

Chris, I can highly recommend Watson Bayou and Watson Bayou Marina in Panama City as a hurricane hole. The Bayou is 3-4 miles long and twists and curves enough that it protects from winds in any direction. The land behind the marina is steep enough to keep water from moving at high velocity in a surge. And many local boats move into Watson Bayou during hurricane warnings. I know from talking to the owner that Ike caused little damage there even though it destroyed the docks at St. Andrews Bay Yacht Club only a few miles away. We thoroughly enjoyed sailing out of this marina and bayou and the protection is excellent. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: chris h <ch… [at] magma.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 4:08:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] US Gulf Coast Hurricane Holes On Wednesday 06 May 2009 11:42:14 chris h wrote: Thanks all for your information, kindness and invites. Good to have this kind of information as the region is totally foreign to me. I guess I need to be a bit more specific. Looking for data on (A) honey hurricane holes along the coastline and (B) a good harbor to sit out the hurricane season that is friendly to cruisers who technically could be considered as live-a-boards pending how you translate the legislation. So far Corpus Christi City Marina seems to be the best place as its not as humid as Houston, weather is good, manyana is pervasive, has good airline connections for friends to come visit and the rates are very reasonsable. -- /ch

On Saturday 09 May 2009 21:55:11 Donald Dutton wrote: > Chris, > > I can highly recommend Watson Bayou and Watson Bayou Marina in Panama City > as a hurricane hole. Thanks, Its been added to the list. Like M.T's quote as well. -- /ch