Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging

I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself.. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from http://www.riggingo <http://www.riggingonly.com/> nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? _____ From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. _____ From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com <http://s.com/> ] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson _____ From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> , "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

I know.. not specifically a sailing question (but I'll be sailing while fishing!) What size vintage Penn reel is recommended for Tuna fishing in Southern California? Is 6/o adequate. Or do I need to be looking at 10/o or 12/o? I'm assuming 50lb-60lb line and 200lb leader is the norm? Thanks for any help.

ahhh.... the magic number... Bust Out Another Thousand.... cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. On May 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Scott Cyphers wrote: > > > > How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal > 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. > > Scott C. > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of david dobbs > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > > > I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good > service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. > > I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price > I've found. > > > > David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 > > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM > > I recently got a quote from http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has > anyone dealt with them? > > > > From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make > it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. > > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup > s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > JR > Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try > to approx. how long ago > dave Paulson > > > > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > HI Dave > Do you remember how long ago that was.? > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson > <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR > > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next > to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to > have then duplicated > > Dave Paulson > > Allergia > > Channel Islands > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause > rust? > > > > JR > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Charlie > > > Annapolis > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou > ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > > > Hi All > > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no > fracturs > > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam > thinking > > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good > swaging > > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it > out myself. > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > JR > > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

Scott, I went up a sire size all-around so, I spent considerable time talking with the guys about the best way to do it. I trust them. My first season with this boat, I had a local shop duplicate the standing rigging. The "rigger" was not fluent in English. Maybe this matters, maybe not. I know he did not sail. I do not think he had the knowledge of materials, working loads, sheer strengths, etc... the guys at Rigging Only do. I also replaced my turnbuckles with Garhauer and new aluminum spreaders from JSI. The integrity of my standing rigging is second only to the strength of the bolts that hold my keel on. I'm not sure where price figures into this. "Scott Cyphers" <scottcyphers@sbc global.net> To Sent by: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogr cc oups.com Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing 05/20/2009 06:24 Rigging PM Please respond to Cal_Boats@yahoogr oups.com How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. Scott C. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************

Did you go up a size just for piece of mind or because you were going to blue water cruise? Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Scott, I went up a sire size all-around so, I spent considerable time talking with the guys about the best way to do it. I trust them. My first season with this boat, I had a local shop duplicate the standing rigging. The "rigger" was not fluent in English. Maybe this matters, maybe not. I know he did not sail. I do not think he had the knowledge of materials, working loads, sheer strengths, etc... the guys at Rigging Only do. I also replaced my turnbuckles with Garhauer and new aluminum spreaders from JSI. The integrity of my standing rigging is second only to the strength of the bolts that hold my keel on. I'm not sure where price figures into this. Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com 05/20/2009 06:24 PM Please respond to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@ <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from <http://www.riggingonly.com/> http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? _____ From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. _____ From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://ps.com/> ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup <http://s.com/> s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson _____ From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ <http://yahoo.com/> yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://ps.com/> ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************

Peace of mind...because Steve Seal published an article discussing the inadequacy of 27's stock wire size. However, the guys at RO initially felt my stock wire size was sufficient given the rig dimension and displacement. But, I persisted and they found a solution. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and I know now that the 27 Steve wrote about was a 2-27 (6700# displacement) I'm sailing a original 27 at 5400# displacement. So, I may have over-reacted and maybe did not need to super-size my rigging. However, the cost difference of a size up is really quite small. The tricky thing is finding the correct studs, pins, and tangs to make the whole thing come together. "Scott Cyphers" <scottcyphers@sbc global.net> To Sent by: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogr cc oups.com Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing 05/20/2009 08:30 Rigging (Scott) PM Please respond to Cal_Boats@yahoogr oups.com Did you go up a size just for piece of mind or because you were going to blue water cruise? Scott C. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Scott, I went up a sire size all-around so, I spent considerable time talking with the guys about the best way to do it. I trust them. My first season with this boat, I had a local shop duplicate the standing rigging. The "rigger" was not fluent in English. Maybe this matters, maybe not. I know he did not sail. I do not think he had the knowledge of materials, working loads, sheer strengths, etc... the guys at Rigging Only do. I also replaced my turnbuckles with Garhauer and new aluminum spreaders from JSI. The integrity of my standing rigging is second only to the strength of the bolts that hold my keel on. I'm not sure where price figures into this. Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com 05/20/2009 06:24 PM Please respond to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. Scott C. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! 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Can't put a price on piece of mind. Thanks for the info. I think I read that article too. I haven't heard about the 29's being undersized. What does the group think? I remember reading something mentioned about the forward lowers being removed like on the 20's? I did that for racing on my Cal 20 Cheeky Monkey and I was in the San Francisco Bay. A place we call "The Slot". Lots of wind and lots of chop. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Peace of mind...because Steve Seal published an article discussing the inadequacy of 27's stock wire size. However, the guys at RO initially felt my stock wire size was sufficient given the rig dimension and displacement. But, I persisted and they found a solution. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and I know now that the 27 Steve wrote about was a 2-27 (6700# displacement) I'm sailing a original 27 at 5400# displacement. So, I may have over-reacted and maybe did not need to super-size my rigging. However, the cost difference of a size up is really quite small. The tricky thing is finding the correct studs, pins, and tangs to make the whole thing come together. Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com 05/20/2009 08:30 PM Please respond to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Did you go up a size just for piece of mind or because you were going to blue water cruise? Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@ <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Scott, I went up a sire size all-around so, I spent considerable time talking with the guys about the best way to do it. I trust them. My first season with this boat, I had a local shop duplicate the standing rigging. The "rigger" was not fluent in English. Maybe this matters, maybe not. I know he did not sail. I do not think he had the knowledge of materials, working loads, sheer strengths, etc... the guys at Rigging Only do. I also replaced my turnbuckles with Garhauer and new aluminum spreaders from JSI. The integrity of my standing rigging is second only to the strength of the bolts that hold my keel on. I'm not sure where price figures into this. Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com 05/20/2009 06:24 PM Please respond to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from <http://www.riggingonly.com/> http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? _____ From: "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. _____ From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://ps.com/> ps.com [ <mailto:Cal_> mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup <http://s.com/> s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson _____ From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ <http://yahoo.com/> yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://ps.com/> ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [ <mailto:Cal_> mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! 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Periodically we have galvanic corrosion problems on our docks. It comes and goes with no apparent reason that we can see. It's happening again. My next door slip neighbor just lost a blade on his prop and my latest zinc has lasted only 3 months. Can anyone suggest a means of locating the problem with commonly available electronic test equipment? I may be able to get a galvanometer to use, but if not, I'll be limited to VOM, VTVM, DVM, oscilloscope, etc. I'm thinking of putting some electrodes in the water spaced some distance apart and pulling individual boat's shore power cords looking for a dramatatic change in current or voltage measured. Anyone have experience chasing this kind of gremlin? Thanks, Al 1974 Cal-25 #1693, Sweet Mary 1985 Cal-33/2 #0085, Short Wave

On Wednesday 20 May 2009 22:54:21 Al Waschka wrote: > Can anyone suggest a means of locating the > problem with commonly available electronic test equipment? Totally clueless on this issue. However Don Cassey's Sailboat Maintenance Manual has an entire section on this issue. Perhaps that's a starting point. Best of luck. Pls do post your observations and results as I would like to learn more about this event/situation/circumstance. Thanks. -- /ch

We use a Penn 6/0 & 12/0 for trolling, but caught many yellowfin tuna on Penn Squidders i n the Sea of Cortez. Fun and good eating. Photos attached Tom and Bobbie Vandiver From: Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:54:42 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Anyone know reel sizes for Tuna fishing? I know.. not specifically a sailing question (but I'll be sailing while fishing!) What size vintage Penn reel is recommended for Tuna fishing in Southern California? Is 6/o adequate. Or do I need to be looking at 10/o or 12/o? I'm assuming 50lb-60lb line and 200lb leader is the norm? Thanks for any help.

I also have known people who have taken there rigging down to Catalina Yachts for duplication. Word has it, there do great work for a great price. Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb)

st… [at] us.ul.com wrote: > > > Peace of mind...because Steve Seal published an article discussing the > inadequacy of 27's stock wire size. However, the guys at RO initially > felt my stock wire size was sufficient given the rig dimension and > displacement. But, I persisted and they found a solution. > > Of course hindsight is 20/20 and I know now that the 27 Steve wrote > about was a 2-27 (6700# displacement) I'm sailing a original 27 at > 5400# displacement. So, I may have over-reacted and maybe did not need > to super-size my rigging. However, the cost difference of a size up is > really quite small. The tricky thing is finding the correct studs, > pins, and tangs to make the whole thing come together. > Even the old Cals had some undersized rigging issues. Steve S. sells a larger backstay for the Cal 20 on the grounds that the original was undersized. Shortly after I bought my boat, the original size backstay began failing--just as predicted. Luckily, I say the strand that had busted and got to shore safely, but I bought Steve's upgrade. Same with his heavier spreader brackets--mine didn't fail, but my friend's did as we were getting ready to step his mast. We started lifting the mast and one spreader fell off. Oh. I had already upgraded and my friend did so promptly. Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" > <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > > *"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>* > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > 05/20/2009 08:30 PM > Please respond to > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > > To > > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > cc > > > Subject > > RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) > > > > > Did you go up a size just for piece of mind or because you were going > to blue water cruise? > > Scott C. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] *On Behalf Of > *st… [at] us.ul.com* > Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:21 PM* > To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com* > Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) > > > > Scott, > > I went up a sire size all-around so, I spent considerable time talking > with the guys about the best way to do it. I trust them. > > My first season with this boat, I had a local shop duplicate the > standing rigging. The "rigger" was not fluent in English. Maybe this > matters, maybe not. I know he did not sail. I do not think he had the > knowledge of materials, working loads, sheer strengths, etc... the > guys at Rigging Only do. > > I also replaced my turnbuckles with Garhauer and new aluminum > spreaders from JSI. > > The integrity of my standing rigging is second only to the strength of > the bolts that hold my keel on. > > I'm not sure where price figures into this. > > > > > > Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" > <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > > *"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>* > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > 05/20/2009 06:24 PM > > > Please respond to > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > > To > > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > cc > > > Subject > > RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > > How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 > as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. > > Scott C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * > From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [_mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com_ > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *david dobbs* > Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM* > To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com* > Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. > They built me a new outhaul system which works great. > > I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've > found. > > David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 > > > --- On *Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin **/<no… [at] yahoo.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM > > I recently got a quote from _http://www.riggingo nly.com/_ > <http://www.riggingonly.com/> . Has anyone dealt with them? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * > From:* "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com>* > To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com* > Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM* > Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it > for you, there are many.. even West Marine. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * > From:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou _ps.com_ <http://ps.com/> [_mailto:Cal__ > Boats@yahoogroup _s.com_ <http://s.com/>] *On Behalf Of *david paulson* > Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM* > To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com* > Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > JR > Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to > approx. how long ago > dave Paulson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * > From:* jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ _yahoo.com_ <http://yahoo.com/>>* > To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com* > Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM* > Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > HI Dave > Do you remember how long ago that was.? > JR > --- In _Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com_ > <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > david paulson <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR > > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to > us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have > then duplicated > > Dave Paulson > > Allergia > > Channel Islands > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > > To: _Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com_ > <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > > > JR > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou _ps.com_ <http://ps.com/>, "Husar, > Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Charlie > > > Annapolis > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [_mailto:Cal__ Boats@yahoogrou > ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > > > Hi All > > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam > thinking > > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out > myself. > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > JR > > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Yahoo! 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I did the backstay upgrade on my old Cal 20 also. I didn't have the a spreader bracket fail but in the middle of a race I had a spreader fold in half. That was interesting. Of course it always happens when you are doing really well. What about the 29's? I haven't heard that they are undersized. Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:05 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) st… [at] us.ul.com wrote: Peace of mind...because Steve Seal published an article discussing the inadequacy of 27's stock wire size. However, the guys at RO initially felt my stock wire size was sufficient given the rig dimension and displacement. But, I persisted and they found a solution. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and I know now that the 27 Steve wrote about was a 2-27 (6700# displacement) I'm sailing a original 27 at 5400# displacement. So, I may have over-reacted and maybe did not need to super-size my rigging. However, the cost difference of a size up is really quite small. The tricky thing is finding the correct studs, pins, and tangs to make the whole thing come together. Even the old Cals had some undersized rigging issues. Steve S. sells a larger backstay for the Cal 20 on the grounds that the original was undersized. Shortly after I bought my boat, the original size backstay began failing--just as predicted. Luckily, I say the strand that had busted and got to shore safely, but I bought Steve's upgrade. Same with his heavier spreader brackets--mine didn't fail, but my friend's did as we were getting ready to step his mast. We started lifting the mast and one spreader fell off. Oh. I had already upgraded and my friend did so promptly. Chris Campbell Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com 05/20/2009 08:30 PM Please respond to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Did you go up a size just for piece of mind or because you were going to blue water cruise? Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@ <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging (Scott) Scott, I went up a sire size all-around so, I spent considerable time talking with the guys about the best way to do it. I trust them. My first season with this boat, I had a local shop duplicate the standing rigging. The "rigger" was not fluent in English. Maybe this matters, maybe not. I know he did not sail. I do not think he had the knowledge of materials, working loads, sheer strengths, etc... the guys at Rigging Only do. I also replaced my turnbuckles with Garhauer and new aluminum spreaders from JSI. The integrity of my standing rigging is second only to the strength of the bolts that hold my keel on. I'm not sure where price figures into this. Inactive hide details for "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net>"Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> "Scott Cyphers" <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com 05/20/2009 06:24 PM Please respond to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging How much did they charge for all the standing rigging? I have Cal 29 as well. Steve Seals quoted me about $1000. Scott C. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging I have used Rigging Only for 3 or 4 years. Good prices, good service. They built me a new outhaul system which works great. I am going to order some new bronze turnbuckle bodies, best price I've found. David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Chris Martin <no… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:13 PM I recently got a quote from <http://www.riggingonly.com/> http://www.riggingo nly.com/ . Has anyone dealt with them? _____ From: <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> "timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com" <timmothy.lessley@ ch2m.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:56:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging you can always measure your rigging, and have a rigging shop make it for you, there are many.. even West Marine. _____ From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://ps.com/> ps.com [ <mailto:Cal_> mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup <http://s.com/> s.com] On Behalf Of david paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging JR Let me talk to Bill who I own the boat with between us we will try to approx. how long ago dave Paulson _____ From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ <http://yahoo.com/> yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:51:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging HI Dave Do you remember how long ago that was.? JR --- In <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, david paulson <mailto:dpaulson6354@...> <dpaulson6354@ ...> wrote: > > JR > I think the standing rigging was replaced when your boat was next to us. I remember the guy taking the parts up to the chandlery to have then duplicated > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: jr_rousseve <jr_rousseve@ ...> > To: <http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:53:32 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Standing Rigging > > > > > > I have open barrel turnbuckles, and no sleves. Would that cause rust? > > JR > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <http://ps.com/> ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > JR, a few side questions. Do you have open barrel or closed barrel > > turnbuckles? Do you have any plastic sleeves over your shrouds or > > lifelines. Reason I'm asking is because of rust causes. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [ <mailto:Cal_> mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On > > Behalf Of jr_rousseve > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standing Rigging > > > > Hi All > > I recentley had a lifeline break on my boat. Well this started me > > looking at the standing rigging.. There is some rust, but no fracturs > > that I can see. Iam not shur when it was changed last, but Iam thinking > > now would be a good time to change it. Dose anyone Know a good swaging > > service in the Chanel Island aria, as I plain on changing it out myself. > > > > Thanks very much > > JR > > Cal 2-30 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! 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Thanks Tom! Having only caught lots of bonito and one barracuda as kid... my goal now is to learn how to hook up the big ones. Any tips are much appreciated! Cris From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:58:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Anyone know reel sizes for Tuna fishing? [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Tom Vandiver included below] We use a Penn 6/0 & 12/0 for trolling, but caught many yellowfin tuna on Penn Squidders i n the Sea of Cortez. Fun and good eating. Photos attached Tom and Bobbie Vandiver From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps..com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:54:42 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Anyone know reel sizes for Tuna fishing? I know.. not specifically a sailing question (but I'll be sailing while fishing!) What size vintage Penn reel is recommended for Tuna fishing in Southern California? Is 6/o adequate. Or do I need to be looking at 10/o or 12/o? I'm assuming 50lb-60lb line and 200lb leader is the norm? Thanks for any help.

We mostly use a basic handline on our CAL 34 and the bggest fish so far has been a 80 pound tuna... We do have a couple of rods but never bother with them when trolling as the handlines seem so much easier and less hassle. On our fishing blog http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ we have some more info on the whole fishing from a sailboat gig. Bob http://boatbits.blogspot.com/ http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/