cabin sole is soft, CAL 29

hey folks.. i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not connect to the hull anywhere in this area. the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the hull with some glass? or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? any ideas???? i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. http://web.me.com/ericjacksonphoto/barefoot/barefoot_table.html cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

Eric, I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. David Wilkie Owen On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: > > > > hey folks.. > > i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one project > i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can stop my > table from shaking every time i walk by it.. > i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do > that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not connect > to the hull anywhere in this area. > the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk > next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. > the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the > hull with some glass? > or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to > flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i > could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... > but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i > just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? > any ideas???? > > i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. > > http://web.me.com/ericjacksonphoto/barefoot/barefoot_table.html > > cheers > eric jackson > BAREFOOT > 1971 CAL 29 > CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. > > > >

Eric, David: I'd like to know a little more about this. I am in the midst of a 72 call 33' rebuild, and amongst the many surprises found, there was a ruptured cabin sole, right along the edge were you have the soft spot. Anyway, I removed that section of the cabin sole, and I am placing two cross sectional members in the keel well, after whih I plan to lay in a new cabin sole section, fiberglass/epoxy. It is my unsersatning that the cabin sole must not be bonded to the hull, which flexes back and forth depending on tach. As you, I'd like some feedback to confirm if my assumption is correct. Project is going along rathere well, by the time I'm done, which is about 16 months into the project and a lot of $$$$, I will pretty much be the proud owner of a bristol Call 33..... Thanks to all for the incredible information and extensive help! Jeff Owen '72 Cal 33 From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:59:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 Eric, I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. David Wilkie Owen On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: hey folks.. i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not connect to the hull anywhere in this area. the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the hull with some glass? or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? any ideas???? i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. http://web.me. com/ericjacksonp hoto/barefoot/ barefoot_ table.html cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

Saw this information and thought I would share it for those who have not seen it yet. http://www.sail-world.com/cruising/index.cfm?nid=57162&rid=11 After viewing this, ask yourself, "Do you think he will do it again?" Patrick From: Jeffrey owen <je… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:16:25 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 Eric, David: I'd like to know a little more about this. I am in the midst of a 72 call 33' rebuild, and amongst the many surprises found, there was a ruptured cabin sole, right along the edge were you have the soft spot. Anyway, I removed that section of the cabin sole, and I am placing two cross sectional members in the keel well, after whih I plan to lay in a new cabin sole section, fiberglass/epoxy. It is my unsersatning that the cabin sole must not be bonded to the hull, which flexes back and forth depending on tach. As you, I'd like some feedback to confirm if my assumption is correct. Project is going along rathere well, by the time I'm done, which is about 16 months into the project and a lot of $$$$, I will pretty much be the proud owner of a bristol Call 33..... Thanks to all for the incredible information and extensive help! Jeff Owen '72 Cal 33 From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:59:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 Eric, I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. David Wilkie Owen On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: hey folks.. i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not connect to the hull anywhere in this area. the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the hull with some glass? or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? any ideas???? i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. http://web.me. com/ericjacksonp hoto/barefoot/ barefoot_ table.html cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

hi jeff, after speaking with david on the phone about my situation, it sounds like it should be okay to attache or reinforce the cabin floor to the hull.. david can fill you in with more info, but it sounds like he actually connected the whole floor to the hull with no issues.. im planning on doing the same thing.. except im not going to remove the cabin floor at all.. im just going to glass in a new bulkhead thats already broken away from the tabbing due to oil breaking down the wood into soft mush.. im gonna cut a bulkhead the raises up a bit higher to the cabin floor and tab that area into the same bulkhead.. other than that my floor is solid. so i dont see any reason to try to do much more than that.. i just wanna go sailing.. cheers eric jackson On May 28, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Jeffrey owen wrote: > > > > Eric, David: > > I'd like to know a little more about this. I am in the midst of a > 72 call 33' rebuild, and amongst the many surprises found, there > was a ruptured cabin sole, right along the edge were you have the > soft spot. Anyway, I removed that section of the cabin sole, and I > am placing two cross sectional members in the keel well, after whih > I plan to lay in a new cabin sole section, fiberglass/epoxy. > > It is my unsersatning that the cabin sole must not be bonded to the > hull, which flexes back and forth depending on tach. > > As you, I'd like some feedback to confirm if my assumption is correct. > > Project is going along rathere well, by the time I'm done, which is > about 16 months into the project and a lot of $$$$, I will pretty > much be the proud owner of a bristol Call 33..... > > Thanks to all for the incredible information and extensive help! > > Jeff Owen '72 Cal 33 > > From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:59:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 > > > > > Eric, > > I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me > offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. > > David Wilkie Owen > > > > > On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: > >> >> >> >> hey folks.. >> >> i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one >> project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can >> stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. >> i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do >> that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not >> connect to the hull anywhere in this area. >> the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk >> next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. >> the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the >> hull with some glass? >> or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to >> flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i >> could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... >> but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i >> just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? >> any ideas???? >> >> i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. >> >> http://web.me. com/ericjacksonp hoto/barefoot/ barefoot_ table.html >> >> cheers >> eric jackson >> BAREFOOT >> 1971 CAL 29 >> CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. >> >> >> > > > >

I found that when you butt that new keel bulkhead piece in, putting a piece of rubber "cloth" over the sister bulkhead at the contact area with the cabin floor works well. Gives a softer joint with the cabin floor. Adds some spring to your step. Tabbing around the cabin sole to the keel has not been a problem for the CAL 25s. We all do it (in the areas we can reach. (That is usually one side and the back area.) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Jackson Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 hi jeff, after speaking with david on the phone about my situation, it sounds like it should be okay to attache or reinforce the cabin floor to the hull.. david can fill you in with more info, but it sounds like he actually connected the whole floor to the hull with no issues.. im planning on doing the same thing.. except im not going to remove the cabin floor at all.. im just going to glass in a new bulkhead thats already broken away from the tabbing due to oil breaking down the wood into soft mush.. im gonna cut a bulkhead the raises up a bit higher to the cabin floor and tab that area into the same bulkhead.. other than that my floor is solid. so i dont see any reason to try to do much more than that.. i just wanna go sailing.. cheers eric jackson On May 28, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Jeffrey owen wrote: Eric, David: I'd like to know a little more about this. I am in the midst of a 72 call 33' rebuild, and amongst the many surprises found, there was a ruptured cabin sole, right along the edge were you have the soft spot. Anyway, I removed that section of the cabin sole, and I am placing two cross sectional members in the keel well, after whih I plan to lay in a new cabin sole section, fiberglass/epoxy. It is my unsersatning that the cabin sole must not be bonded to the hull, which flexes back and forth depending on tach. As you, I'd like some feedback to confirm if my assumption is correct. Project is going along rathere well, by the time I'm done, which is about 16 months into the project and a lot of $$$$, I will pretty much be the proud owner of a bristol Call 33..... Thanks to all for the incredible information and extensive help! Jeff Owen '72 Cal 33 From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:59:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 Eric, I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. David Wilkie Owen On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: hey folks.. i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not connect to the hull anywhere in this area. the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the hull with some glass? or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? any ideas???? i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. http://web.me. com/ericjacksonp hoto/barefoot/ barefoot_ table.html <http://web.me.com/ericjacksonphoto/barefoot/barefoot_table.html> cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega Saw this information and thought I would share it for those who have not seen it yet. <http://www.sail-world.com/cruising/index.cfm?nid=57162&rid=11> http://www.sail-world.com/cruising/index.cfm?nid=57162&rid=11 After viewing this, ask yourself, "Do you think he will do it again?" Patrick Yea, he will probably do it again. I am sure he didn't understand the cause of the extreme weather, so he will not know how to plan his next adventure to avoid a similar event. john

On May 29, 2009, at 3:49 AM, john raxter wrote: > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Patrick Fiega > > > > Saw this information and thought I would share it for those who have > not seen it yet. > I assume everybody is familiar with the MoJo story. If not: http://www.mv-dreamer.com/Mojo.htm George C Scott had chartered it for the Pebble Beach golf tournament and they were trying to get out of Morro Bay, south of Pebble Beach. A photographer saw the 70 foot motor yacht heading for the entrance and he ran out to get photos anticipating what happened. This one was on the cover of Sea Magazine. The yacht was badly damaged but survived. All cabin windows were blown out and all electronics trashed. The loss was a couple of million $. I was aboard the MoJo a couple of years ago and they have a painting of this scene in the wheel house. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > http://www.sail-world.com/cruising/index.cfm?nid=57162&rid=11 > > After viewing this, ask yourself, "Do you think he will do it again?" > > Patrick > > > > > > Yea, he will probably do it again. I am sure he didn’t understand > the cause of the extreme weather, so he will not know how to plan > his next adventure to avoid a similar event. > > > > john > > >

Thanks for the ideas. For me, it will be easy (relatively) as a previous owner, in escence, cut out the cabin sole area that surrounds the keel well, in a lame attempt to "strengthen" the keel to hull joint. I removed about 35 lbs of poorly bonded glass, along with waste water (and it'sstench) that had soaked into the glass fibers that never took any resin (blaahhh!) . So, I will be tappering the edges of the remaining cabin sola area, and laying in glass layers with epoxy to bond the whole structure toguether. Another interesting thing, the original ballast was bolted to the hull, and painted. Previous mr fixer upper had completely encapsulated it all the way to the hull using mat and 24oz roving - using poly resin. It never bonded too well either, and the resin failed to penetrate a lot of areas, so I was able to strip it off completely in about 2 hours. I won't encapsulate the lead, just prime it and paint once I get to the stage of painting the hull. The joint looks good, but since some grininding had been done before that "repair", I think i'll strengthen the joint a bit with 2 layers and epoxy - as usual, feedback is welcome. Gracias! Jeff, '72 Cal 33 Puerto Rico From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:51:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 I found that when you butt that new keel bulkhead piece in, putting a piece of rubber "cloth" over the sister bulkhead at the contact area with the cabin floor works well. Gives a softer joint with the cabin floor. Adds some spring to your step. Tabbing around the cabin sole to the keel has not been a problem for the CAL 25s. We all do it (in the areas we can reach. (That is usually one side and the back area.) Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Eric Jackson Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 hi jeff, after speaking with david on the phone about my situation, it sounds like it should be okay to attache or reinforce the cabin floor to the hull.. david can fill you in with more info, but it sounds like he actually connected the whole floor to the hull with no issues.. im planning on doing the same thing.. except im not going to remove the cabin floor at all.. im just going to glass in a new bulkhead thats already broken away from the tabbing due to oil breaking down the wood into soft mush.. im gonna cut a bulkhead the raises up a bit higher to the cabin floor and tab that area into the same bulkhead.. other than that my floor is solid. so i dont see any reason to try to do much more than that.. i just wanna go sailing.. cheers eric jackson On May 28, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Jeffrey owen wrote: Eric, David: I'd like to know a little more about this. I am in the midst of a 72 call 33' rebuild, and amongst the many surprises found, there was a ruptured cabin sole, right along the edge were you have the soft spot. Anyway, I removed that section of the cabin sole, and I am placing two cross sectional members in the keel well, after whih I plan to lay in a new cabin sole section, fiberglass/epoxy. It is my unsersatning that the cabin sole must not be bonded to the hull, which flexes back and forth depending on tach. As you, I'd like some feedback to confirm if my assumption is correct. Project is going along rathere well, by the time I'm done, which is about 16 months into the project and a lot of $$$$, I will pretty much be the proud owner of a bristol Call 33..... Thanks to all for the incredible information and extensive help! Jeff Owen '72 Cal 33 From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:59:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 Eric, I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. David Wilkie Owen On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: hey folks.. i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not connect to the hull anywhere in this area. the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the hull with some glass? or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? any ideas???? i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. http://web.me. com/ericjacksonp hoto/barefoot/ barefoot_ table.html cheers eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.

I think I've figured out that the 33 has a keel well with a bolt on keel, while our 29s have a hull with a lead plug dropped in and glassed over. This makes it all apples and oranges to some degree but it sounds like there are some definite construction deficiencies shared at least with my 29 and Jeff's 33. I had a ton of photos of the mess underneath my cabin sole, which included water soaked poorly bonded matte that I had to grind away prior to reinforcing. I'm in NYC on vacation for a few days and my wife is glaring at me to hit the streets again so I can't elaborate much right now -- but I can say that it sounds like you're on the right track, Jeff! Regards, Wilkie On May 29, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Jeffrey owen wrote: > > > > Thanks for the ideas. For me, it will be easy (relatively) as a > previous owner, in escence, cut out the cabin sole area that > surrounds the keel well, in a lame attempt to "strengthen" the keel > to hull joint. I removed about 35 lbs of poorly bonded glass, along > with waste water (and it'sstench) that had soaked into the glass > fibers that never took any resin (blaahhh!) . So, I will be > tappering the edges of the remaining cabin sola area, and laying in > glass layers with epoxy to bond the whole structure toguether. > > Another interesting thing, the original ballast was bolted to the > hull, and painted. Previous mr fixer upper had completely > encapsulated it all the way to the hull using mat and 24oz roving - > using poly resin. It never bonded too well either, and the resin > failed to penetrate a lot of areas, so I was able to strip it off > completely in about 2 hours. I won't encapsulate the lead, just > prime it and paint once I get to the stage of painting the hull. The > joint looks good, but since some grininding had been done before > that "repair", I think i'll strengthen the joint a bit with 2 layers > and epoxy - as usual, feedback is welcome. > > Gracias! > > > Jeff, '72 Cal 33 > Puerto Rico > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:51:11 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 > > > I found that when you butt that new keel bulkhead piece in, putting > a piece of rubber "cloth" over the sister bulkhead at the contact > area with the cabin floor works well. Gives a softer joint with the > cabin floor. Adds some spring to your step. > > Tabbing around the cabin sole to the keel has not been a problem for > the CAL 25s. We all do it (in the areas we can reach. (That is > usually one side and the back area.) > > Cheers > Charlie > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup > s.com] On Behalf Of Eric Jackson > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 > > hi jeff, > > after speaking with david on the phone about my situation, it sounds > like it should be okay to attache or reinforce the cabin floor to > the hull.. > david can fill you in with more info, but it sounds like he actually > connected the whole floor to the hull with no issues.. > > im planning on doing the same thing.. except im not going to remove > the cabin floor at all.. im just going to glass in a new bulkhead > thats already broken away from the tabbing due to oil breaking down > the wood into soft mush.. > > im gonna cut a bulkhead the raises up a bit higher to the cabin > floor and tab that area into the same bulkhead.. > other than that my floor is solid. so i dont see any reason to try > to do much more than that.. > > i just wanna go sailing.. > > cheers > eric jackson > > > > > > > On May 28, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Jeffrey owen wrote: > >> >> >> >> Eric, David: >> >> I'd like to know a little more about this. I am in the midst of a >> 72 call 33' rebuild, and amongst the many surprises found, there >> was a ruptured cabin sole, right along the edge were you have the >> soft spot. Anyway, I removed that section of the cabin sole, and I >> am placing two cross sectional members in the keel well, after whih >> I plan to lay in a new cabin sole section, fiberglass/epoxy. >> >> It is my unsersatning that the cabin sole must not be bonded to the >> hull, which flexes back and forth depending on tach. >> >> As you, I'd like some feedback to confirm if my assumption is >> correct. >> >> Project is going along rathere well, by the time I'm done, which is >> about 16 months into the project and a lot of $$$$, I will pretty >> much be the proud owner of a bristol Call 33..... >> >> Thanks to all for the incredible information and extensive help! >> >> Jeff Owen '72 Cal 33 >> >> From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:59:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cabin sole is soft, CAL 29 >> >> >> >> >> Eric, >> >> I've been there and done this and more. We should talk. Hit me >> offline. I'm in KC right now, but I'll be home late Thus. >> >> David Wilkie Owen >> >> >> >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Eric Jackson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> hey folks.. >>> >>> i was up at my boat last week and doing a bit of work.. one >>> project i wanted to get into was trying to figure out how i can >>> stop my table from shaking every time i walk by it.. >>> i am looking to reinforce the sole. but im not sure if i can do >>> that. i took a look and noticed that the cabin sole does not >>> connect to the hull anywhere in this area. >>> the problem im having is the table shakes bad, every time i walk >>> next to it. enough to knock over drinks sometimes.. >>> the question i have is, can i reinforce it by attaching it to the >>> hull with some glass? >>> or is this just a bad idea? i thought it might need to be able to >>> flex separate from the hull. but i wasnt sure.. it seems like i >>> could easily add some glass and lock it solid to the bilge area... >>> but i dont wanna add anything that would cause problems. should i >>> just try and reinforce the sole without touching it to the hull??? >>> any ideas???? >>> >>> i have put some photos up to show what exactly im talking about.. >>> >>> http://web.me. com/ericjacksonp hoto/barefoot/ barefoot_ table.html >>> >>> cheers >>> eric jackson >>> BAREFOOT >>> 1971 CAL 29 >>> CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >