RE: June Newsletter

Jon. Regarding the game the County Supervisors are playing with the boat owners in order to ram big hikes in slip rates down our throats... In case you don't already know, LA County and Orange Counties are run by racketeers. (Why do you think the former Orange County Sheriff is sitting in jail right now?) They, the Supervisors, are pulling a Maddoff on our slip rates. They want us to price compare the local towns they "own" to the rates we pay at MDR. But how come we have to limit ourselves to marinas only 60 miles north or south of MDR when we know the cost of living in San Diego is just as high, and San Francisco is significantly higher? They don't want you to see that people in SF with under 30' and under slips are typically paying only $6.50 a foot, for example. We are getting %$#@'d!! By rights we all deserve slip rate reductions and refunds! Why is the County using what are essentially Recreational fees to support not only it's general fund, but it's lavish unregulated welfare programs (25% of LA County residents recieve some form of welfare)? Why can't the County go after the section 8 family inside my building group who openly sells contraband and vandalizes and threatens and assaults other tenants, and who lives two large families in a two bedroom, and has been doing so in plain sight for the last 15 years? Take a guess. What service is this family providing for organized crime that you aren't? (You're not a death merchant? Shame on you!) If they did go after the epidemic of welfare fraud, they wouldn't need the sales tax hikes, and State Park closures, would they? They wouldn't need to force teachers and nurses to take pay cuts, or need to fire them, huh? And they wouldn't need to force hundreds of boaters to ditch their prized possessions, either to put them out on a fire sale, or abandon them to the boat crushers. Everyone should get this week's "The Log" from their favorite chandlery, Ralph's in MDR, or Yacht Club, and pull out the "Slips 2009" supplement. It's all there. See what eveyone else is paying for slip fees. Then do something! Hope this makes MDR boat owners good and mad. My friend Eric's trying to sell his 26' Endeavor sloop, difficult because it is mostly a pure sailboat with just bunks below so it doesn't lend itself to being a live aboard or sneak aboard residence, where it can substitute for exhorbatantly high priced apartment rent. He's paying $285 a month, pretty high for a patch of sea water and a floating finger, but not as high as the $325 the prospective new owner will have to pay, and, at one of the more 'low priced, minimal facilities" marinas in MDR, and, for just for one side of a double slip that the boat is currently squeezed into. See the slip vacancies all around where my boat is? Why, I guess people aren't interested in boating any more are they? Well, I guess the County will just have to give up more MDR boating facilites so Condo develoopers can take up the slack, huh? No mystery as to what the County's true motives are. The land speculation and profiteering they swore to God they would never, never, even DREAM of. I hope I tied the shoe laces together for you. Jerry Sobel --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: RE: June Newsletter To: "'Gerald Sobel'" <so… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:35 PM Gerald, As always you bring up a great point. What does it cost to enter National and State Parks in Southern California compared with Northern California . There should not be a huge differences in those prices and that should also reflect recreational slip prices. We need you in front of the Commissioners to talk about this deception. We need change. From: Gerald Sobel [mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:18 PM To: Jon Nahhas Subject: Re: June Newsletter Jon, the new slip book for all of California is out in this weeks Log Magazine, available at chandleries and even the Marina del Rey Ralph's. I think it shows, for example, that Bay Area slips are far less expensive than So Cal. How do we know that there isn't a cabal to keep So Cal slip fees exorbitantly high. I believe something very fish is going on when they arbitrarily day 60 miles north and south knowing they have hacked the system, they being big developers giving politicians under the table pay offs, as in "you pay to play". We need the FBI to investigate this National Park Theft. Check out 1954 Congressional Act that created MDR. Everyone swore up and down on a stack of bibles that MDR would Never, never NEVER be used to make developers rich from land speculation on the back of a US funded small boating park. Ha Ha. Some joke. On us! Jerry 310-399-0844 --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: June Newsletter To: rt… [at] dbw.ca.gov Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:59 PM Newsletter from LAMariner.com Hello Mariners! Sorry for the long hiatus. There have been some new developments that have affected/will affect our recreational boating experience in Marina del Rey. Will try to get back on track with the website. Dana Point Harbor Dana Point Boaters Sabotaged by LCPA! In what should have been great news for recreatonal boating in SoCal, the Coastal Commission Staff has recommended a denial for the Dana Point Local Coastal Plan Amendment submitted by City of Dana Point/Orange County to massively increase the commercial development in the harbor. The Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and the DP Boater's Association have been busy in meeting with the staffs to help protect recreational boating. Their efforts are being undermined by Coastal's recommended changes in the Land Use Plan (LUP) that would eliminate many boat slips and reduce boater parking in favor of commercial development. Sections 303 C,D, & E of the Coastal Management Act and 30224 of the California Coastal Act continue to be ignored. Help our recreational boaters in Dana Point at the Coastal Commission Public Hearing in MDR: Marina del Rey Hotel - Bali Way June 11, 2009 - 9AM Read more » Private Group of Developer Interests "Public" Workshops on LCP Review Turn Private The May 13th culmination event of the MDR LCP Periodic Review "Public" Workshops confirmed what concerned residents and boaters already knew. Private interests dominated what should have been a public process. 3 of the 5 presenters from the groups were developers. One of the groups was not even open to the public. The public was not allowed to ask questions about the groups or their findings and the meeting ended with the LA County's Department of Regional Planning employees telling attendees to "TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES". The Community of Marina del Rey continues to be overtly silenced in order for LA County to fulfill its Asset Management Strategy ("horse race for redevelopment). Read more » Dirty Data in Boating Study LA County Conducts Study with Bad Data The Department of Beaches and Harbors in MDR has purchased an agressive "one month" boat slip-sizing study by one of their consultants using flawed County data. The study concludes that more affluent boaters and larger boat slips are needed in our public harbor over the smaller, affordable slips that are not as marketable. This at a time when Espirit 1 (the newly-built marina with all large slips averaging $27/foot) has been rumored to be in bankruptcy (over 60% vacancy rate in slips and apartments). Finally, Small Craft Harbor Commissioner Al Landini spoke out against Santos Kreimann, DBH Director, about the tainted data when the County tallied slips where boaters were being asked to leave for redevelopment purposes. Other anomalies in the dirty data of the study have arisen from our contact of fellow boaters in some of the 23 marinas outside of MDR. Read more » Keep current with all of your boating news in Marina del Rey at LAMariner.com. -- From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. -Daniel Webster, 1837 Visit LAMariner.com

Test reply From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:33 AM To: Jon Nahhas Cc: md… [at] yahoogroups.com; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: June Newsletter Jon. Regarding the game the County Supervisors are playing with the boat owners in order to ram big hikes in slip rates down our throats... In case you don't already know, LA County and Orange Counties are run by racketeers. (Why do you think the former Orange County Sheriff is sitting in jail right now?) They, the Supervisors, are pulling a Maddoff on our slip rates. They want us to price compare the local towns they "own" to the rates we pay at MDR. But how come we have to limit ourselves to marinas only 60 miles north or south of MDR when we know the cost of living in San Diego is just as high, and San Francisco is significantly higher? They don't want you to see that people in SF with under 30' and under slips are typically paying only $6.50 a foot, for example. We are getting %$#@'d!! By rights we all deserve slip rate reductions and refunds! Why is the County using what are essentially Recreational fees to support not only it's general fund, but it's lavish unregulated welfare programs (25% of LA County residents recieve some form of welfare)? Why can't the County go after the section 8 family inside my building group who openly sells contraband and vandalizes and threatens and assaults other tenants, and who lives two large families in a two bedroom, and has been doing so in plain sight for the last 15 years? Take a guess. What service is this family providing for organized crime that you aren't? (You're not a death merchant? Shame on you!) If they did go after the epidemic of welfare fraud, they wouldn't need the sales tax hikes, and State Park closures, would they? They wouldn't need to force teachers and nurses to take pay cuts, or need to fire them, huh? And they wouldn't need to force hundreds of boaters to ditch their prized possessions, either to put them out on a fire sale, or abandon them to the boat crushers. Everyone should get this week's "The Log" from their favorite chandlery, Ralph's in MDR, or Yacht Club, and pull out the "Slips 2009" supplement. It's all there. See what eveyone else is paying for slip fees. Then do something! Hope this makes MDR boat owners good and mad. My friend Eric's trying to sell his 26' Endeavor sloop, difficult because it is mostly a pure sailboat with just bunks below so it doesn't lend itself to being a live aboard or sneak aboard residence, where it can substitute for exhorbatantly high priced apartment rent. He's paying $285 a month, pretty high for a patch of sea water and a floating finger, but not as high as the $325 the prospective new owner will have to pay, and, at one of the more 'low priced, minimal facilities" marinas in MDR, and, for just for one side of a double slip that the boat is currently squeezed into. See the slip vacancies all around where my boat is? Why, I guess people aren't interested in boating any more are they? Well, I guess the County will just have to give up more MDR boating facilites so Condo develoopers can take up the slack, huh? No mystery as to what the County's true motives are. The land speculation and profiteering they swore to God they would never, never, even DREAM of. I hope I tied the shoe laces together for you. Jerry Sobel --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: RE: June Newsletter To: "'Gerald Sobel'" <so… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:35 PM Gerald, As always you bring up a great point. What does it cost to enter National and State Parks in Southern California compared with Northern California . There should not be a huge differences in those prices and that should also reflect recreational slip prices. We need you in front of the Commissioners to talk about this deception. We need change. _____ From: Gerald Sobel [mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:18 PM To: Jon Nahhas Subject: Re: June Newsletter Jon, the new slip book for all of California is out in this weeks Log Magazine, available at chandleries and even the Marina del Rey Ralph's. I think it shows, for example, that Bay Area slips are far less expensive than So Cal. How do we know that there isn't a cabal to keep So Cal slip fees exorbitantly high. I believe something very fish is going on when they arbitrarily day 60 miles north and south knowing they have hacked the system, they being big developers giving politicians under the table pay offs, as in "you pay to play". We need the FBI to investigate this National Park Theft. Check out 1954 Congressional Act that created MDR. Everyone swore up and down on a stack of bibles that MDR would Never, never NEVER be used to make developers rich from land speculation on the back of a US funded small boating park. Ha Ha. Some joke. On us! Jerry 310-399-0844 --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: June Newsletter To: rt… [at] dbw.ca.gov Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:59 PM Newsletter from LAMariner.com Hello Mariners! Sorry for the long hiatus. There have been some new developments that have affected/will affect our recreational boating experience in Marina del Rey. Will try to get back on track with the website. Dana Point Harbor Dana Point Boaters Sabotaged by LCPA! In what should have been great news for recreatonal boating in SoCal, the <http://www.example.com/> Coastal Commission Staff has recommended a denial for the Dana Point Local Coastal Plan Amendment submitted by City of Dana Point/Orange County to massively increase the commercial development in the harbor. The Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and the DP Boater's Association have been busy in meeting with the staffs to help protect recreational boating. Their efforts are being undermined by Coastal's recommended changes in the Land Use Plan (LUP) that would eliminate many boat slips and reduce boater parking in favor of commercial development. Sections 303 C,D, & E of the Coastal Management Act and 30224 of the California Coastal Act continue to be ignored. Help our recreational boaters in Dana Point at the Coastal Commission Public Hearing in MDR: Marina del Rey Hotel - Bali Way June 11, 2009 - 9AM <http://documents.coastal.ca.gov/reports/2009/6/Th22.5a-6-2009.pdf> Read more » Private Group of Developer Interests "Public" Workshops on LCP Review Turn Private The May 13th culmination event of the MDR LCP Periodic Review "Public" Workshops confirmed what concerned residents and boaters already knew. Private interests dominated what should have been a public process. 3 of the 5 presenters from the groups were developers. One of the groups was not even open to the public. The public was not allowed to ask questions about the groups or their findings and the meeting ended with the LA County's Department of Regional Planning employees telling attendees to "TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES". The Community of Marina del Rey continues to be overtly silenced in order for LA County to fulfill its Asset Management Strategy ("horse race for redevelopment). Read more » <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/events.html> Dirty Data in Boating Study LA County Conducts Study with Bad Data The Department of Beaches and Harbors in MDR has purchased an agressive "one month" boat slip-sizing study by one of their consultants using flawed County data. The study concludes that more affluent boaters and larger boat slips are needed in our public harbor over the smaller, affordable slips that are not as marketable. This at a time when Espirit 1 (the newly-built marina with all large slips averaging $27/foot) has been rumored to be in bankruptcy (over 60% vacancy rate in slips and apartments). Finally, Small Craft Harbor Commissioner Al Landini spoke out against Santos Kreimann, DBH Director, about the tainted data when the County tallied slips where boaters were being asked to leave for redevelopment purposes. Other anomalies in the dirty data of the study have arisen from our contact of fellow boaters in some of the 23 marinas outside of MDR. Read more » <http://beaches.co.la.ca.us/bandh/NobleMDRSlipStudyPresentation031109.pdf> Keep current with all of your boating news in Marina del Rey at LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/index.html> . --

So, *move away*. You know Jerry, there IS life outside of Cali... Gerald Sobel wrote: > Jon. > Regarding the game the County Supervisors are playing with the boat > owners in order to ram big hikes in slip rates down our throats... > > In case you don't already know, LA County and Orange Counties are run > by racketeers. (Why do you think the former Orange County Sheriff is > sitting in jail right now?) > > They, the Supervisors, are pulling a Maddoff on our slip rates. They > want us to price compare the local towns they "own" to the rates we > pay at MDR. But how come we have to limit ourselves to marinas only 60 > miles north or south of MDR when we know the cost of living in San > Diego is just as high, and San Francisco is significantly higher? They > don't want you to see that people in SF with under 30' and under slips > are typically paying only $6.50 a foot, for example. > > We are getting %$#@'d!! By rights we all deserve slip rate reductions > and refunds! > > Why is the County using what are essentially Recreational fees to > support not only it's general fund, but it's lavish unregulated > welfare programs (25% of LA County residents recieve some form of > welfare)? Why can't the County go after the section 8 family inside my > building group who openly sells contraband and vandalizes and > threatens and assaults other tenants, and who lives two large families > in a two bedroom, and has been doing so in plain sight for the last 15 > years? Take a guess. What service is this family providing for > organized crime that you aren't? (You're not a death merchant? Shame > on you!) > If they did go after the epidemic of welfare fraud, they wouldn't > need the sales tax hikes, and State Park closures, would they? They > wouldn't need to force teachers and nurses to take pay cuts, or need > to fire them, huh? And they wouldn't need to force hundreds of boaters > to ditch their prized possessions, either to put them out on a fire > sale, or abandon them to the boat crushers. > > Everyone should get this week's "The Log" from their favorite > chandlery, Ralph's in MDR, or Yacht Club, and pull out the "Slips > 2009" supplement. It's all there. See what eveyone else is paying for > slip fees. Then do something! > > Hope this makes MDR boat owners good and mad. > > My friend Eric's trying to sell his 26' Endeavor sloop, difficult > because it is mostly a pure sailboat with just bunks below so it > doesn't lend itself to being a live aboard or sneak aboard residence, > where it can substitute for exhorbatantly high priced apartment rent. > He's paying $285 a month, pretty high for a patch of sea water and a > floating finger, but not as high as the $325 the prospective new owner > will have to pay, and, at one of the more 'low priced, minimal > facilities" marinas in MDR, and, for just for one side of a double > slip that the boat is currently squeezed into. See the slip vacancies > all around where my boat is? Why, I guess people aren't interested in > boating any more are they? Well, I guess the County will just have to > give up more MDR boating facilites so Condo develoopers can take up > the slack, huh? No mystery as to what the County's true motives are. > The land speculation and profiteering they swore to God they would > never, never, even DREAM of. > I hope I tied the shoe laces together for you. > Jerry Sobel > > --- On *Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas /<la… [at] gmail.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: RE: June Newsletter > To: "'Gerald Sobel'" <so… [at] yahoo.com> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:35 PM > > Gerald, > > > > As always you bring up a great point. What does it cost to enter > National and State Parks in Southern California compared with > Northern California . There should not be a huge differences in > those prices and that should also reflect recreational slip > prices. We need you in front of the Commissioners to talk about > this deception. We need change. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Gerald Sobel [mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:18 PM > *To:* Jon Nahhas > *Subject:* Re: June Newsletter > > > > Jon, the new slip book for all of California is out in this weeks > Log Magazine, available at chandleries and even the Marina del Rey > Ralph's. I think it shows, for example, that Bay Area slips are > far less expensive than So Cal. How do we know that there isn't a > cabal to keep So Cal slip fees exorbitantly high. I believe > something very fish is going on when they arbitrarily day 60 miles > north and south knowing they have hacked the system, they being > big developers giving politicians under the table pay offs, as in > "you pay to play". We need the FBI to investigate this National > Park Theft. Check out 1954 Congressional Act that created MDR. > Everyone swore up and down on a stack of bibles that MDR would > Never, never NEVER be used to make developers rich from land > speculation on the back of a US funded small boating park. Ha Ha. > Some joke. On us! > Jerry > 310-399-0844 > > --- On *Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas /<la… [at] gmail.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: June Newsletter > To: rt… [at] dbw.ca.gov > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:59 PM > > > > **Newsletter from LAMariner.com** > > > > *Hello Mariners!* > > Sorry for the long hiatus. There have been some new developments > that have affected/will affect our recreational boating experience in > > Marina del Rey. Will try to get back on track with the website. > > > > > > Dana Point Harbor > > > > > > *Dana** Point** Boaters Sabotaged by LCPA!* > > In what should have been great news for recreatonal boating in > SoCal, the <http://www.example.com/> Coastal Commission Staff has > recommended a denial for the Dana Point Local Coastal Plan > Amendment submitted by City of Dana Point/Orange County to > massively increase the commercial development in the harbor. The > Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and the DP Boater's Association have > been busy in meeting with the staffs to help protect recreational > boating. Their efforts are being undermined by Coastal's > recommended changes in the Land Use Plan (LUP) that > would eliminate many boat slips and reduce boater parking in favor > of commercial development. Sections 303 C,D, & E of the Coastal > Management Act and 30224 of the California Coastal Act continue to > be ignored. > > > > **Help our recreational boaters in Dana Point at the Coastal > Commission Public Hearing in MDR:** > > > > **Marina del Rey Hotel - Bali Way** > > **June 11, 2009 - 9AM** > > > > Read more » > <http://documents.coastal.ca.gov/reports/2009/6/Th22.5a-6-2009.pdf> > > > > > > Private Group of Developer Interests > > > > > > *"Public" Workshops on LCP Review Turn Private* > > The May 13th culmination event of the MDR LCP Periodic Review > "Public" Workshops confirmed what concerned residents and boaters > already knew. Private interests dominated what should have been a > public process. 3 of the 5 presenters from the groups were > developers. One of the groups was not even open to the public. The > public was not allowed to ask questions about the groups or their > findings and the meeting ended with the LA County's Department of > Regional Planning employees telling attendees to "**TALK AMONGST > YOURSELVES**". The Community of Marina del Rey continues to be > overtly silenced in order for LA County to fulfill its Asset > Management Strategy ("horse race for redevelopment). > > > > Read more » <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/events.html> > > > > > > Dirty Data in Boating Study > > > > > > *LA County Conducts Study with Bad Data* > > The Department of Beaches and Harbors in MDR has purchased an > agressive "one month" boat slip-sizing study by one of their > consultants using flawed County data. The study concludes that > more affluent boaters and larger boat slips are needed in our > public harbor over the smaller, affordable slips that are not as > marketable. This at a time when Espirit 1 (the newly-built marina > with all large slips averaging $27/foot) has been rumored to be in > bankruptcy (over 60% vacancy rate in slips and apartments). > > > > **Finally**, Small Craft Harbor Commissioner Al Landini spoke out > against Santos Kreimann, DBH Director, about the tainted data when > the County tallied slips where boaters were being asked to leave > for redevelopment purposes. Other anomalies in the dirty data of > the study have arisen from our contact of fellow boaters in some > of the 23 marinas outside of MDR. > > > > Read more » > <http://beaches.co.la.ca.us/bandh/NobleMDRSlipStudyPresentation031109.pdf> > > > > > > > > Keep current with all of your boating news in Marina del Rey at > LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/index.html>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their > government, from their carelessness and negligence. 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hey, it worked. Harleigh, did you get a new e-mail or something? Harleigh Ewell wrote: > > > Test reply > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Gerald Sobel > *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2009 2:33 AM > *To:* Jon Nahhas > *Cc:* md… [at] yahoogroups.com; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: June Newsletter > > > > Jon. > Regarding the game the County Supervisors are playing with the boat > owners in order to ram big hikes in slip rates down our throats... > > In case you don't already know, LA County and Orange Counties are run > by racketeers. (Why do you think the former Orange County Sheriff is > sitting in jail right now?) > > They, the Supervisors, are pulling a Maddoff on our slip rates. They > want us to price compare the local towns they "own" to the rates we > pay at MDR. But how come we have to limit ourselves to marinas only 60 > miles north or south of MDR when we know the cost of living in San > Diego is just as high, and San Francisco is significantly higher? They > don't want you to see that people in SF with under 30' and under slips > are typically paying only $6.50 a foot, for example. > > We are getting %$#@'d!! By rights we all deserve slip rate reductions > and refunds! > > Why is the County using what are essentially Recreational fees to > support not only it's general fund, but it's lavish unregulated > welfare programs (25% of LA County residents recieve some form of > welfare)? Why can't the County go after the section 8 family inside my > building group who openly sells contraband and vandalizes and > threatens and assaults other tenants, and who lives two large families > in a two bedroom, and has been doing so in plain sight for the last 15 > years? Take a guess. What service is this family providing for > organized crime that you aren't? (You're not a death merchant? Shame > on you!) > If they did go after the epidemic of welfare fraud, they wouldn't > need the sales tax hikes, and State Park closures, would they? They > wouldn't need to force teachers and nurses to take pay cuts, or need > to fire them, huh? And they wouldn't need to force hundreds of boaters > to ditch their prized possessions, either to put them out on a fire > sale, or abandon them to the boat crushers. > > Everyone should get this week's "The Log" from their favorite > chandlery, Ralph's in MDR, or Yacht Club, and pull out the "Slips > 2009" supplement. It's all there. See what eveyone else is paying for > slip fees. Then do something! > > Hope this makes MDR boat owners good and mad. > > My friend Eric's trying to sell his 26' Endeavor sloop, difficult > because it is mostly a pure sailboat with just bunks below so it > doesn't lend itself to being a live aboard or sneak aboard residence, > where it can substitute for exhorbatantly high priced apartment rent. > He's paying $285 a month, pretty high for a patch of sea water and a > floating finger, but not as high as the $325 the prospective new owner > will have to pay, and, at one of the more 'low priced, minimal > facilities" marinas in MDR, and, for just for one side of a double > slip that the boat is currently squeezed into. See the slip vacancies > all around where my boat is? Why, I guess people aren't interested in > boating any more are they? Well, I guess the County will just have to > give up more MDR boating facilites so Condo develoopers can take up > the slack, huh? No mystery as to what the County's true motives are. > The land speculation and profiteering they swore to God they would > never, never, even DREAM of. > I hope I tied the shoe laces together for you. > Jerry Sobel > > --- On *Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas /<la… [at] gmail.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: RE: June Newsletter > To: "'Gerald Sobel'" <so… [at] yahoo.com> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:35 PM > > Gerald, > > > > As always you bring up a great point. What does it cost to enter > National and State Parks in Southern California compared with Northern > California . There should not be a huge differences in those prices > and that should also reflect recreational slip prices. We need you in > front of the Commissioners to talk about this deception. We need > change. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Gerald Sobel [mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:18 PM > *To:* Jon Nahhas > *Subject:* Re: June Newsletter > > > > Jon, the new slip book for all of California is out in this weeks Log > Magazine, available at chandleries and even the Marina del Rey > Ralph's. I think it shows, for example, that Bay Area slips are far > less expensive than So Cal. How do we know that there isn't a cabal to > keep So Cal slip fees exorbitantly high. I believe something very fish > is going on when they arbitrarily day 60 miles north and south knowing > they have hacked the system, they being big developers giving > politicians under the table pay offs, as in "you pay to play". We need > the FBI to investigate this National Park Theft. Check out 1954 > Congressional Act that created MDR. Everyone swore up and down on a > stack of bibles that MDR would Never, never NEVER be used to make > developers rich from land speculation on the back of a US funded small > boating park. Ha Ha. Some joke. On us! > Jerry > 310-399-0844 > > --- On *Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas /<la… [at] gmail.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Jon Nahhas <la… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: June Newsletter > To: rt… [at] dbw.ca.gov > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:59 PM > > > > **Newsletter from LAMariner.com** > > > > *Hello Mariners!* > > Sorry for the long hiatus. There have been some new developments > that have affected/will affect our recreational boating experience in > > Marina del Rey. Will try to get back on track with the website. > > > > > > Dana Point Harbor > > > > > > *Dana Point Boaters Sabotaged by LCPA!* > > In what should have been great news for recreatonal boating in SoCal, > the <http://www.example.com/> Coastal Commission Staff has recommended > a denial for the Dana Point Local Coastal Plan Amendment submitted by > City of Dana Point/Orange County to massively increase the commercial > development in the harbor. The Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and > the DP Boater's Association have been busy in meeting with the staffs > to help protect recreational boating. Their efforts are being > undermined by Coastal's recommended changes in the Land Use Plan (LUP) > that would eliminate many boat slips and reduce boater parking in > favor of commercial development. Sections 303 C,D, & E of the Coastal > Management Act and 30224 of the California Coastal Act continue to be > ignored. > > > > **Help our recreational boaters in Dana Point at the Coastal > Commission Public Hearing in MDR:** > > > > **Marina del Rey Hotel - Bali Way** > > **June 11, 2009 - 9AM** > > > > Read more » > <http://documents.coastal.ca.gov/reports/2009/6/Th22.5a-6-2009.pdf> > > > > > > Private Group of Developer Interests > > > > > > *"Public" Workshops on LCP Review Turn Private* > > The May 13th culmination event of the MDR LCP Periodic Review "Public" > Workshops confirmed what concerned residents and boaters already > knew. Private interests dominated what should have been a public > process. 3 of the 5 presenters from the groups were developers. One of > the groups was not even open to the public. The public was not allowed > to ask questions about the groups or their findings and the meeting > ended with the LA County's Department of Regional Planning employees > telling attendees to "**TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES**". The Community of > Marina del Rey continues to be overtly silenced in order for LA County > to fulfill its Asset Management Strategy ("horse race for > redevelopment). > > > > Read more » <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/events.html> > > > > > > Dirty Data in Boating Study > > > > > > *LA County Conducts Study with Bad Data* > > The Department of Beaches and Harbors in MDR has purchased an > agressive "one month" boat slip-sizing study by one of their > consultants using flawed County data. The study concludes that more > affluent boaters and larger boat slips are needed in our public harbor > over the smaller, affordable slips that are not as marketable. This at > a time when Espirit 1 (the newly-built marina with all large slips > averaging $27/foot) has been rumored to be in bankruptcy (over 60% > vacancy rate in slips and apartments). > > > > **Finally**, Small Craft Harbor Commissioner Al Landini spoke out > against Santos Kreimann, DBH Director, about the tainted data when the > County tallied slips where boaters were being asked to leave for > redevelopment purposes. Other anomalies in the dirty data of the > study have arisen from our contact of fellow boaters in some of the 23 > marinas outside of MDR. > > > > Read more » > <http://beaches.co.la.ca.us/bandh/NobleMDRSlipStudyPresentation031109.pdf> > > > > > > > > Keep current with all of your boating news in Marina del Rey at > LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/index.html>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their > government, from their carelessness and negligence. I fear that they > may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail > properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be > made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their > own undoing. > -Daniel Webster, 1837 > > Visit LAMariner.com > > > > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. 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No. Scott S was going to try something, and it must have worked. Harleigh From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: June Newsletter hey, it worked. Harleigh, did you get a new e-mail or something? Harleigh Ewell wrote: Test reply From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:33 AM To: Jon Nahhas Cc: md… [at] yahoogroups.com; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: June Newsletter Jon. Regarding the game the County Supervisors are playing with the boat owners in order to ram big hikes in slip rates down our throats... In case you don't already know, LA County and Orange Counties are run by racketeers. (Why do you think the former Orange County Sheriff is sitting in jail right now?) They, the Supervisors, are pulling a Maddoff on our slip rates. They want us to price compare the local towns they "own" to the rates we pay at MDR. But how come we have to limit ourselves to marinas only 60 miles north or south of MDR when we know the cost of living in San Diego is just as high, and San Francisco is significantly higher? They don't want you to see that people in SF with under 30' and under slips are typically paying only $6.50 a foot, for example. We are getting %$#@'d!! By rights we all deserve slip rate reductions and refunds! Why is the County using what are essentially Recreational fees to support not only it's general fund, but it's lavish unregulated welfare programs (25% of LA County residents recieve some form of welfare)? Why can't the County go after the section 8 family inside my building group who openly sells contraband and vandalizes and threatens and assaults other tenants, and who lives two large families in a two bedroom, and has been doing so in plain sight for the last 15 years? Take a guess. What service is this family providing for organized crime that you aren't? (You're not a death merchant? Shame on you!) If they did go after the epidemic of welfare fraud, they wouldn't need the sales tax hikes, and State Park closures, would they? They wouldn't need to force teachers and nurses to take pay cuts, or need to fire them, huh? And they wouldn't need to force hundreds of boaters to ditch their prized possessions, either to put them out on a fire sale, or abandon them to the boat crushers. Everyone should get this week's "The Log" from their favorite chandlery, Ralph's in MDR, or Yacht Club, and pull out the "Slips 2009" supplement. It's all there. See what eveyone else is paying for slip fees. Then do something! Hope this makes MDR boat owners good and mad. My friend Eric's trying to sell his 26' Endeavor sloop, difficult because it is mostly a pure sailboat with just bunks below so it doesn't lend itself to being a live aboard or sneak aboard residence, where it can substitute for exhorbatantly high priced apartment rent. He's paying $285 a month, pretty high for a patch of sea water and a floating finger, but not as high as the $325 the prospective new owner will have to pay, and, at one of the more 'low priced, minimal facilities" marinas in MDR, and, for just for one side of a double slip that the boat is currently squeezed into. See the slip vacancies all around where my boat is? Why, I guess people aren't interested in boating any more are they? Well, I guess the County will just have to give up more MDR boating facilites so Condo develoopers can take up the slack, huh? No mystery as to what the County's true motives are. The land speculation and profiteering they swore to God they would never, never, even DREAM of. I hope I tied the shoe laces together for you. Jerry Sobel --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Jon Nahhas <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: RE: June Newsletter To: "'Gerald Sobel'" <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> <so… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:35 PM Gerald, As always you bring up a great point. What does it cost to enter National and State Parks in Southern California compared with Northern California . There should not be a huge differences in those prices and that should also reflect recreational slip prices. We need you in front of the Commissioners to talk about this deception. We need change. _____ From: Gerald Sobel [mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:18 PM To: Jon Nahhas Subject: Re: June Newsletter Jon, the new slip book for all of California is out in this weeks Log Magazine, available at chandleries and even the Marina del Rey Ralph's. I think it shows, for example, that Bay Area slips are far less expensive than So Cal. How do we know that there isn't a cabal to keep So Cal slip fees exorbitantly high. I believe something very fish is going on when they arbitrarily day 60 miles north and south knowing they have hacked the system, they being big developers giving politicians under the table pay offs, as in "you pay to play". We need the FBI to investigate this National Park Theft. Check out 1954 Congressional Act that created MDR. Everyone swore up and down on a stack of bibles that MDR would Never, never NEVER be used to make developers rich from land speculation on the back of a US funded small boating park. Ha Ha. Some joke. On us! Jerry 310-399-0844 --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jon Nahhas <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Jon Nahhas <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: June Newsletter To: rt… [at] dbw.ca.gov Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:59 PM Newsletter from LAMariner.com Hello Mariners! Sorry for the long hiatus. There have been some new developments that have affected/will affect our recreational boating experience in Marina del Rey. Will try to get back on track with the website. Dana Point Harbor Dana Point Boaters Sabotaged by LCPA! In what should have been great news for recreatonal boating in SoCal, the <http://www.example.com/> Coastal Commission Staff has recommended a denial for the Dana Point Local Coastal Plan Amendment submitted by City of Dana Point/Orange County to massively increase the commercial development in the harbor. The Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and the DP Boater's Association have been busy in meeting with the staffs to help protect recreational boating. Their efforts are being undermined by Coastal's recommended changes in the Land Use Plan (LUP) that would eliminate many boat slips and reduce boater parking in favor of commercial development. Sections 303 C,D, & E of the Coastal Management Act and 30224 of the California Coastal Act continue to be ignored. Help our recreational boaters in Dana Point at the Coastal Commission Public Hearing in MDR: Marina del Rey Hotel - Bali Way June 11, 2009 - 9AM <http://documents.coastal.ca.gov/reports/2009/6/Th22.5a-6-2009.pdf> Read more » Private Group of Developer Interests "Public" Workshops on LCP Review Turn Private The May 13th culmination event of the MDR LCP Periodic Review "Public" Workshops confirmed what concerned residents and boaters already knew. Private interests dominated what should have been a public process. 3 of the 5 presenters from the groups were developers. One of the groups was not even open to the public. The public was not allowed to ask questions about the groups or their findings and the meeting ended with the LA County's Department of Regional Planning employees telling attendees to "TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES". The Community of Marina del Rey continues to be overtly silenced in order for LA County to fulfill its Asset Management Strategy ("horse race for redevelopment). Read more » <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/events.html> Dirty Data in Boating Study LA County Conducts Study with Bad Data The Department of Beaches and Harbors in MDR has purchased an agressive "one month" boat slip-sizing study by one of their consultants using flawed County data. The study concludes that more affluent boaters and larger boat slips are needed in our public harbor over the smaller, affordable slips that are not as marketable. This at a time when Espirit 1 (the newly-built marina with all large slips averaging $27/foot) has been rumored to be in bankruptcy (over 60% vacancy rate in slips and apartments). Finally, Small Craft Harbor Commissioner Al Landini spoke out against Santos Kreimann, DBH Director, about the tainted data when the County tallied slips where boaters were being asked to leave for redevelopment purposes. Other anomalies in the dirty data of the study have arisen from our contact of fellow boaters in some of the 23 marinas outside of MDR. Read more » <http://beaches.co.la.ca.us/bandh/NobleMDRSlipStudyPresentation031109.pdf> Keep current with all of your boating news in Marina del Rey at LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.googlepages.com/index.html> . --