Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points

And may I say, also in So Cal, that I have needed my second reef point many times. Although the Cal 9.2R is much more tender than the Cal 40. In my humble opinion, it is better to have a second reef point and not need it than it is to need it and not have it. Cheers Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322979x1201367215/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

I am in the SF Bay area and got a new main a few of years ago. I had my old one, which was built by North, for 10 years. I would say that I put two reefs in it almost every time I went out. I almost never put just one reef in it. In terms of wind, I try not to go out if there are gail warnings but there are almost always small craft warnings. It can blow very hard up here. The new main has two full batons on top and only one reef. In almost three years I have only reefed it once. With the full batons I can just sail it with a large bubble backwinding the forward 1/3 of the sail, which is just as good as a reef. You have to concentrate and sail to the wind so it may not be for everyone but I thought I would throw it out there for your consideration. The old sail would have beat itself to death if I had tried to bubble it. By the way, the old sail was much smaller with almost no roach. The new won just touches the backstay. The new one was made by Quantum. Allen L-36 #5 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:44 PM, <ai… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > And may I say, also in So Cal, that I have needed my second reef point many > times. Although the Cal 9.2R is much more tender than the Cal 40. In my > humble opinion, it is better to have a second reef point and not need it > than it is to need it and not have it. > Cheers > > Daniel Casey > "AirTime" > Cal 9.2R #75 > Santa Barbara > ________________________________ > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > >

The same is true for the 3rd reef point. Only used it once but was happy to have it. Looking forward to not needing it in the future. Regards, "Elusive" Cal 39 Mk3 NY LIS From: "ai… [at] aol.com" <ai… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:44:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! And may I say, also in So Cal, that I have needed my second reef point many times. Although the Cal 9.2R is much more tender than the Cal 40. In my humble opinion, it is better to have a second reef point and not need it than it is to need it and not have it. Cheers Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara

I too sail on windy San Francisco Bay and I agree that reef points are necessary. I have sailed with many different mainsails and after 38 years of Cal boats from Cal 20's to Cal 40' and uldb's from SC27 to SC70, I personally feel uncomfortable with a main that is not reefable. After 125,000 miles at seI believe that a boat with slab reefing need at least one reef point. This point should be a reduction of 20%---25%. A heavier boat will do well with 20% lighter displacment , on the greater side. OK now as to other points, some boats will benefit from a "half reef". If your main is built with a shelf foot that can be flattened with the outhaul and a cunningham cringle, this reef may not be necessary, If you race with a crew on the rail.again a half reef will work for you.. As to a 3rd set of points or even a 4th set.this practice came about on ocean racers who chose not to carry or set a storm trysail, a storm trysail should best have its own track and be able to be set without the boom. I carried on board a trysail on a 35 foot displacment boat fot 17 years and only set it at the dock for practice. All this depends on what you use your boat for and where you sail. Club racers/class racers on protected waters will need a lot different reef point(s) than an ocean crusier?ocean racer.--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 10:16 PM I am in the SF Bay area and got a new main a few of years ago. I had my old one, which was built by North, for 10 years. I would say that I put two reefs in it almost every time I went out. I almost never put just one reef in it. In terms of wind, I try not to go out if there are gail warnings but there are almost always small craft warnings. It can blow very hard up here. The new main has two full batons on top and only one reef. In almost three years I have only reefed it once. With the full batons I can just sail it with a large bubble backwinding the forward 1/3 of the sail, which is just as good as a reef. You have to concentrate and sail to the wind so it may not be for everyone but I thought I would throw it out there for your consideration. The old sail would have beat itself to death if I had tried to bubble it. By the way, the old sail was much smaller with almost no roach. The new won just touches the backstay. The new one was made by Quantum. Allen L-36 #5 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:44 PM, <ai… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > And may I say, also in So Cal, that I have needed my second reef point many > times. Although the Cal 9.2R is much more tender than the Cal 40. In my > humble opinion, it is better to have a second reef point and not need it > than it is to need it and not have it. > Cheers > > Daniel Casey > "AirTime" > Cal 9.2R #75 > Santa Barbara > ________________________________ > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi, All. I had the opportunity to sail the English Channel in a Victoria 34 a few years back. Every boat over there has 3 reef points, and they are all strung and at the ready. Quite a place. In the Chesapeake, I go with what Fin said. Most of us get one reef point and it is quite low. Occasionally need it, but can go to a No.2 or 3 first. Depends on slop. When conditions get to the nasty point, I do my "drive to the heel of the boat rather than the sails" routine. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:21 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points The same is true for the 3rd reef point. Only used it once but was happy to have it. Looking forward to not needing it in the future. Regards, "Elusive" Cal 39 Mk3 NY LIS From: "ai… [at] aol.com" <ai… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:44:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points And may I say, also in So Cal, that I have needed my second reef point many times. Although the Cal 9.2R is much more tender than the Cal 40. In my humble opinion, it is better to have a second reef point and not need it than it is to need it and not have it. Cheers Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322979x1201367215/aol?redir =http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%2 6bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62>

My first two mains had one reef and they were fine up to 30 knots. The single reef on both sails were, of course, much deeper than the first reef on my current main. I think it seems to me that I use the second reef a lot these days and hardly ever use the first. That tells me I should go back to the single deeper reef on the next main that I order. Wilkie