Restoring Mast

Hi All, I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Thanks Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island,Wa.

I jitterbuged with 220 paper then I immersed my mast in SF Bay water to promote the build up of the surface. I have done this with previously painted spars. I like the results. Alloy masts will develorp their own surface coating. My Best, Mike --- On Thu, 7/16/09, chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> wrote: From: chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:09 PM Hi All, I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Thanks Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island,Wa. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Look into alodining. It is a two part process. You paint on one part and then the other. Kind of like anodizing but without the need for a bath or electricity. They use it for aircraft parts.From what I can tell you first use something like this: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch>Then this: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch>I have used it on small parts. You get a golden color so you might want to paint it. It is the best primer for aluminum by the way. Google it and see what you think. Allen On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM, chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now > working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool > and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I > should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? > Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? > > Thanks > > Chris Bowen > San Francisco Pelican #2298 > Cal 20 #65 > Camano Island,Wa. > > >

I removed the paint from my mast by sanding (it was chipping pretty bad). Then I etched it with the west systems two part solution, put some other greenish stuff on it, I think it was a chromate compound similar to what is used in preparing steel before painting it, washed that off (I think I did anyway) then ended up painting it with gray water based Rustoleum primer. I put the mast up before I finished painting it with white one part urethane enamel. Maybe just as well cause I have a lot of bubbling up corrosion going on under the gray primer. Maybe I didn't wash the green stuff off well enuff, maybe it wasn't meant for aluminum prep...I can't remember. In any case I'm back to square one. Also, I forgot to paint over the west systems plus colloidal silica I put under my corroded aluminum tabernackle mast step, and the epoxy and aluminum have seperated now. I forgot, expoxy and sunlight don't mix! So now I have to remove the paint from my mast...this time i'll just use paint remover instead of sanding??? Maybe forgo the green solution, and maybe not use that latex primer. Actuallly, I don't know what failed. Back to the drawing board! Maybe Alondinging it a good bet. And if I do the rustoleum thing I don't think I do anything with the aluminum first but wash it up real good and rinse it off very well....maybe even just let it oxidize on it's own before painting? I saved the base of the mast by wrapping it a few layers in fiberglass cloth and west systems, despite some corrosion going on underneath it still looks ok. I may do something similar to repair my badly corroded sail groove at the top of the mast...wrap with fiberglass, semi cure, then re cut open the grove with shears...something like that....maybe semicure, slice open and fold back the bare edges before it fully cures. See what happens when you grow up building model sailboats? It 's all fun! Jerry --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:02 PM Look into alodining. It is a two part process. You paint on one part and then the other. Kind of like anodizing but without the need for a bath or electricity. They use it for aircraft parts.From what I can tell you first use something like this: http://www.westmari ne.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/SiteSear chView?catalogId =10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpa rtial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+ Search&ddkey=SiteSearch Then this: http://www.westmari ne.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/SiteSear chView?catalogId =10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpa rtial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+ Search&ddkey=SiteSearch I have used it on small parts. You get a golden color so you might want to paint it. It is the best primer for aluminum by the way. Google it and see what you think. Allen On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM, chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> wrote: Hi All, I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Thanks Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island,Wa.

chris.bowen28 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am > now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then > steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is > something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? > Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? > I have just read the other interesting replies. My advice is "move to fresh water and you won't have to worry about such things." Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220, "Martha C" > >

Chris, The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have more free time. Dave 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast Hi All, I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Thanks Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island,Wa.

Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no issue solution is to anodize it. Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > > The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a > professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and > spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think > this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely > helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have > more free time. > > Dave > 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late > Coyote Pt, SF Bay > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Hi All, > > > I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now > working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool > and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I > should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? > Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? > > Thanks > > Chris Bowen > San Francisco Pelican #2298 > Cal 20 #65 > Camano Island,Wa. > > > >

Aluminum will start to oxidize immediately and the paint will not stick to the oxidization. The alodine process is easy. Just follow the directions and wash it off well as it says on the label. Also, use a marine paint. You cannot buy a paint that will stand up to a marine environment unless it is marine paint because it is illegal due to environmental laws. Marine paint is exempted because there is no environmentally friendly substitute. Allen On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > > > I removed the paint from my mast by sanding (it was chipping pretty bad). > Then I etched it with the west systems two part solution, put some other > greenish stuff on it, I think it was a chromate compound similar to what is > used in preparing steel before painting it, washed that off (I think I did > anyway) then ended up painting it with gray water based Rustoleum primer. I > put the mast up before I finished painting it with white one part urethane > enamel. Maybe just as well cause I have a lot of bubbling up corrosion going > on under the gray primer. Maybe I didn't wash the green stuff off well > enuff, maybe it wasn't meant for aluminum prep...I can't remember. In any > case I'm back to square one. Also, I forgot to paint over the west systems > plus colloidal silica I put under my corroded aluminum tabernackle mast > step, and the epoxy and aluminum have seperated now. I forgot, expoxy and > sunlight don't mix! > > So now I have to remove the paint from my mast...this time i'll just use > paint remover instead of sanding??? Maybe forgo the green solution, and > maybe not use that latex primer. Actuallly, I don't know what failed. Back > to the drawing board! Maybe Alondinging it a good bet. And if I do the > rustoleum thing I don't think I do anything with the aluminum first but wash > it up real good and rinse it off very well....maybe even just let it oxidize > on it's own before painting? > > I saved the base of the mast by wrapping it a few layers in fiberglass > cloth and west systems, despite some corrosion going on underneath it still > looks ok. I may do something similar to repair my badly corroded sail groove > at the top of the mast...wrap with fiberglass, semi cure, then re cut open > the grove with shears...something like that....maybe semicure, slice open > and fold back the bare edges before it fully cures. > > See what happens when you grow up building model sailboats? It 's all fun! > Jerry > > --- On *Thu, 7/16/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:02 PM > > > > Look into alodining. It is a two part process. You paint on one part and > then the other. Kind of like anodizing but without the need for a bath or > electricity. They use it for aircraft parts. > From what I can tell you first use something like this: > http://www.westmari ne.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/SiteSear > chView?catalogId =10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpa > rtial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+ > Search&ddkey=SiteSearch<http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch> > > > <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch>Then > this: > http://www.westmari ne.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/SiteSear > chView?catalogId =10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpa > rtial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+ > Search&ddkey=SiteSearch<http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch> > > > <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch>I > have used it on small parts. You get a golden color so you might want to > paint it. It is the best primer for aluminum by the way. > > Google it and see what you think. > > Allen > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM, chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com<http://mc/compose?to=ck… [at] wavecable.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > >

Alloy masts form a coating that protects the alloy. It is a reaction with oxygen. Paint will only make more weight aloft and will need maintenence. Failure because the mast is not painted---I don't think so. My Best, Mike --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:35 AM Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no issue solution is to anodize it. Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Chris, The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have more free time. Dave 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast Hi All, I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Thanks Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island,Wa.

But isn't that costing aluminum-oxide which is a kind of white powder that flakes off and allows the aluminum underneath to oxidize? I still think the best thing is anodizing and I would think that is what new masts are. Correct me if I am wrong. I know that is what my whisker pole was. I had to repair it and alodined it before applying a fiberglass patch. The alternative for that is to wet sand the epoxy because, like I said, the aluminum will oxidize instantly and nothing sticks to aluminum oxide. But who cares. Put the mast up and if it turn to white powder and looks like hell and starts to corrode and fall apart, take it down and start over or just get a new mast. Or call the boat yard and see what they recommend. Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Alloy masts form a coating that protects the alloy. It is a reaction with > oxygen. Paint will only make more weight aloft and will need maintenence. > Failure because the mast is not painted---I don't think so. My Best, Mike > > --- On *Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:35 AM > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving > it raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant > future plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few > days and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, > then alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is > no issue solution is to anodize it. > Allen > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com<http://us.mc450.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=im… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com<http://us.mc450.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ck… [at] wavecable.com>> >> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc450.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> >> > > > >

Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no issue solution is to anodize it. Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >Chris, > >The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have more free time. > >Dave >80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >Coyote Pt, SF Bay > > > > > > From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> > >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > >Hi All, > > >I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >>Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? > >Thanks > >Chris Bowen >San Francisco Pelican #2298 >Cal 20 #65 >Camano Island,Wa. > > >

I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old anodizing ;^) Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > issue solution is to anodize it. > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > > >

Hi Allen, Come to SF Marina and you can see the mast that I sanded to bare aluminum 9 months ago, It did not turn white, it looks shiny and brite and doesn't have 15 pounds of paint on it.. It has not failed, Mast failure is often the result of operator error. Come on a weekend and I'll buy you a beer at the club, My Best, Mike --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:55 PM I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old anodizing ;^) Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > issue solution is to anodize it. > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I guess there are as many opinions on this as there are... take your pick. Here is another discussion on the subject. http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/removing-oxidation-aluminum-mast-14904.html

How would you paint the inside of a mast. Hire some hamsters? Jerry --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:55 PM I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old anodizing ;^) Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > issue solution is to anodize it. > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > > >

How about a 30 foot pipe cleaner? I really like the Hamster plan but I fear the animal (rodent) protection folks will object!! My Best, Mike --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:46 AM How would you paint the inside of a mast. Hire some hamsters? Jerry --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:55 PM I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old anodizing ;^) Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > issue solution is to anodize it. > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > > >

Hi Allen, My Cal 20 mast & boom were painted well by a craftsman who primed it properly and then coated wit an All Grip type paint. A later owner painted with some unknown paint up as high he could reach to repair chips and dings. It looked liked he uses the Tom Sawyer painting style and as you must imagine. it did not look at all attractive. I started with paint remover, made an extrordinery mess on the dock,everywhere else, and then went to a belt sander, followed by a jitterbug with 220. Had the paint been in good shape I would have left it alone. On ounce aloft is a pound below. When my long time sailing buddy asked Bill Lee what kind of paint was used on his Santa Cruz 27 as he wished to "clean up" the interior. Bill told him to wash it! Paint will add 50 pounds!! In the Doublehanded Pacific Cup in that boat, we threw our batteries overboard, our sleeping bags, and any thing else we did not need as we approached the finish. I cut the handle off my toothbrush and cut the charts , the nautical almanac pages we needed and H. O. 249 to the pages we needed, (celestial was a requirement). Weight is the enemy of performance. What good is it to sail an ultralight and put any thing that will slow it down? Of course a wood mast must be protected by varnish or paint, God Bless you wood boat sailors, there is nothing more pleasant than going below on a wood boat. The Smell of wood is like nothing else, It came from a living tree. Keep it up! Best Regards, Mike --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:33 AM I guess there are as many opinions on this as there are... take your pick. Here is another discussion on the subject. http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/removing-oxidation-aluminum-mast-14904.html

The same way you sanded it. On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > How would you paint the inside of a mast. Hire some hamsters? > Jerry > > --- On *Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:55 PM > > > > I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old > > anodizing ;^) > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=lord_nougat%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com<http://mc/compose?to=allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> > > > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving > it > > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant > future > > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few > days > > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > > issue solution is to anodize it. > > > > Allen > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Chris, > >> > >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a > >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and > >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I > think > >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also > extremely > >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they > have > >> more free time. > >> > >> Dave > >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late > >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay > >> > >> > >> ____________ _________ _________ __ > >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> > >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM > >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now > >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel > wool > >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I > >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? > >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Chris Bowen > >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 > >> Cal 20 #65 > >> Camano Island,Wa. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >

PITA just did a protest in Seattle at a convention here where the fairly famous folks from Pike Place Market fish market (they have a book on teamwork) was hired to speak to them and do their "throw the salmon" routine. The PITA folks felt that it was disrespectful" to the gutted, dead fish ". OMG! if they knew what you had planned for the hamsters........... Bob Connell "Jollygood!", Cal31 #59 Olympia, WA --- On Sat, 7/18/09, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:24 PM How about a 30 foot pipe cleaner? I really like the Hamster plan but I fear the animal (rodent) protection folks will object!! My Best, Mike --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:46 AM How would you paint the inside of a mast. Hire some hamsters? Jerry --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:55 PM I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old anodizing ;^) Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > issue solution is to anodize it. > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > > >

PITA? Local #476 of the United Hamster Mast Innard Painters? These are militant, union hamsters, who wear bright orange hard hats and observe OSHA rules; they wear little respirators on there cute little pink noses. The members of this Union eat only kosher Pita bread. with Nova Scotia smoked salmon and Wisconsin cream cheese. Jerry --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:36 PM PITA just did a protest in Seattle at a convention here where the fairly famous folks from Pike Place Market fish market (they have a book on teamwork) was hired to speak to them and do their "throw the salmon" routine. The PITA folks felt that it was disrespectful" to the gutted, dead fish ". OMG! if they knew what you had planned for the hamsters.... ....... Bob Connell "Jollygood!" , Cal31 #59 Olympia, WA --- On Sat, 7/18/09, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:24 PM How about a 30 foot pipe cleaner? I really like the Hamster plan but I fear the animal (rodent) protection folks will object!! My Best, Mike --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:46 AM How would you paint the inside of a mast. Hire some hamsters? Jerry --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:55 PM I think it would depend if you got in there and sanded off all the old anodizing ;^) Allen On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lord Nougat<lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Do you paint the inside of your mast as well then? > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:35:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Just for the record, that is what I would do if it were my boat. Leaving it > raw aluminum will probably end in mast failure in the not to distant future > plus it will start to turn white from the aluminum oxide within a few days > and will look like hell in no time. If you want to do it yourself, then > alodine followed by marine paint would be the way to go. The money is no > issue solution is to anodize it. > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, biggs dave <imissedmyface@ yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> The previous owner of my boat did all the sanding on my mast but had a >> professional yard (Svendsons, Alamada, Ca) do the actual final prep and >> spray painting. It still looks pretty damn good 15 years later. I think >> this is the way to go. Svend's chandlary (510-521-8454) is also extremely >> helpful to do-it-yourselfers. Best to call them on weekdays when they have >> more free time. >> >> Dave >> 80 Cal 35, Runnin Late >> Coyote Pt, SF Bay >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: chris.bowen28 <ckbow@wavecable. com> >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:09:38 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > > >

Well, I read all the reply's, and decided to use the alodining system. Purchased both the alumiprep, and the alodine and treated the mast and boom today. Seemed quite easy to use, and my son, (who is a painter) is painting them both tomorrow with an industrial marine grade paint. We debated on whether to leave them or paint, and both thought they would be better painted so thats how we are proceeding. Should turn out great. Thanks for all the advise and thoughts. Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island, Wa -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast Look into alodining. It is a two part process. You paint on one part and then the other. Kind of like anodizing but without the need for a bath or electricity. They use it for aircraft parts. From what I can tell you first use something like this: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalog Id=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710& y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch Then this: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalog Id=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0& x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch I have used it on small parts. You get a golden color so you might want to paint it. It is the best primer for aluminum by the way. Google it and see what you think. Allen On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM, chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com> wrote: Hi All, I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Thanks Chris Bowen San Francisco Pelican #2298 Cal 20 #65 Camano Island,Wa.

Great to hear what your plans are. Let us know how it turns out. I said that the alodine was a good primer for aluminum but I should have said it was a good way to treat the aluminum before painting. I really don't know if it will substitute for a primer coat. Please check into that before you put finish paint over the alodine. I think you would still want a coat of marine primer followed by two coats of topcoat. Allen On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Chris Bowen <ck… [at] wavecable.com> wrote: > > > Well, > > I read all the reply's, and decided to use the alodining system. Purchased > both the alumiprep, and the alodine and treated the mast and boom today. > Seemed quite easy to use, and my son, (who is a painter) is painting them > both tomorrow with an industrial marine grade paint. We debated on whether > to leave them or paint, and both thought they would be better painted so > thats how we are proceeding. Should turn out great. > > Thanks for all the advise and thoughts. > > Chris Bowen > San Francisco Pelican #2298 > Cal 20 #65 > Camano Island, Wa > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]*On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:03 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Restoring Mast > > > > Look into alodining. It is a two part process. You paint on one part and > then the other. Kind of like anodizing but without the need for a bath or > electricity. They use it for aircraft parts. > From what I can tell you first use something like this: > > http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch > > <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alumiprep&Ntt=alumiprep&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch>Then > this: > > http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch > > <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=alodine&Ntt=alodine&N=377+710&y=0&x=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch>I > have used it on small parts. You get a golden color so you might want to > paint it. It is the best primer for aluminum by the way. > > Google it and see what you think. > > Allen > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM, chris.bowen28 <ck… [at] wavecable.com>wrote: > >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been restoring my little Cal 20, and am just about done. I am now >> working on the mast and have sanded it with 220 and 320 and then steel wool >> and it now looks great, however I am wondering if there is something I >> should be treating it with to protect the aluminum? >> Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Bowen >> San Francisco Pelican #2298 >> Cal 20 #65 >> Camano Island,Wa. >> >> > >

Hello All I found some rotten deck plywood on the port side of the forward hatch in my Cal25. The section is directly above the forward, inside wall/bulkhead of the head compartment. I removed the tabbing at the top, what else is required to removed and hopefully re-use the panel? I drilled out the plugs covering screws but there seems to be more to it. Am I kidding myself thinking I can removed the panel, replace the rotten deck and reinstall the panel? Thanks for any ideas Chris

Chris, depends on the hull number (different interiors), but you have tabbing to the hull, and there are screws that connect the part to the forward bunk, and possibly to the floor of the head. Takes a fair amount of searching. You may not need to remove it. You can jack the roof up some (bottle jacks with pads) to slide new wood into the cutout you made for wood replacement. The Fein or Rockwell vibration tools are ideal for making straight cuts in area like the ceiling to gat a good replacement seam. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Martin Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Help w/ Cal25 head bulhead/panel Hello All I found some rotten deck plywood on the port side of the forward hatch in my Cal25. The section is directly above the forward, inside wall/bulkhead of the head compartment. I removed the tabbing at the top, what else is required to removed and hopefully re-use the panel? I drilled out the plugs covering screws but there seems to be more to it. Am I kidding myself thinking I can removed the panel, replace the rotten deck and reinstall the panel? Thanks for any ideas Chris

Thanks, I'll try jacking it up first. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:56:56 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Help w/ Cal25 head bulhead/panel Chris, depends on the hull number (different interiors), but you have tabbing to the hull, and there are screws that connect the part to the forward bunk, and possibly to the floor of the head. Takes a fair amount of searching. You may not need to remove it. You can jack the roof up some (bottle jacks with pads) to slide new wood into the cutout you made for wood replacement. The Fein or Rockwell vibration tools are ideal for making straight cuts in area like the ceiling to gat a good replacement seam. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Chris Martin Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Help w/ Cal25 head bulhead/panel Hello All I found some rotten deck plywood on the port side of the forward hatch in my Cal25. The section is directly above the forward, inside wall/bulkhead of the head compartment. I removed the tabbing at the top, what else is required to removed and hopefully re-use the panel? I drilled out the plugs covering screws but there seems to be more to it. Am I kidding myself thinking I can removed the panel, replace the rotten deck and reinstall the panel? Thanks for any ideas Chris

Chris, except for the fact that I am in Bristol England UK at moment, I'd stop by and take a look. You around next week? Cheers (literally) Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Martin Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:10 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Help w/ Cal25 head bulhead/panel Thanks, I'll try jacking it up first. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:56:56 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Help w/ Cal25 head bulhead/panel Chris, depends on the hull number (different interiors), but you have tabbing to the hull, and there are screws that connect the part to the forward bunk, and possibly to the floor of the head. Takes a fair amount of searching. You may not need to remove it. You can jack the roof up some (bottle jacks with pads) to slide new wood into the cutout you made for wood replacement. The Fein or Rockwell vibration tools are ideal for making straight cuts in area like the ceiling to gat a good replacement seam. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://ps.com> [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com<http://s.com>] On Behalf Of Chris Martin Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Help w/ Cal25 head bulhead/panel Hello All I found some rotten deck plywood on the port side of the forward hatch in my Cal25. The section is directly above the forward, inside wall/bulkhead of the head compartment. I removed the tabbing at the top, what else is required to removed and hopefully re-use the panel? I drilled out the plugs covering screws but there seems to be more to it. Am I kidding myself thinking I can removed the panel, replace the rotten deck and reinstall the panel? Thanks for any ideas Chris