Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 July 20, 2009 -- Lake County After months --- years, really --- of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office --- now on "administrative leave" --- who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website --- just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call --- to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius --- from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 /Y-Knot?/ reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf> page.

one step at a time. Allen Edwards wrote: > > > Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one > that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for > the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on > according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 > minutes. That would end it. > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net > <mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net>> wrote: > > > > > Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > From Latitude 38 > July 20, 2009 – Lake County > > After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the > ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake > County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his > plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's > website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was > caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened > to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in > zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the > bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the > manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the > prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with > a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of > Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him > three years in prison. > > Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, > the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on > "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated > 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to > convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove > the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by > drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going > to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself > has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed > higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that > forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that > piece of evidence. > > What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, > besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection > for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" > has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is > presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, > presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's > website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the > presiding judge (which was obviously denied). > > We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to > post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but > one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a > timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to > 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard > misdemeanor status. > > In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius > — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John > Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 /Y-Knot?/ reports that > the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last > month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more > than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider > doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, > founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier > on July 25 at 7 p.m. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, > please post the details on our Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf> > page. > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > > Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > From Latitude 38 > July 20, 2009 – Lake County > > After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the > ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County > District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just > that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains > that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of > Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat > drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in > the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter > charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the > felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." > That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of > Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. > > Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number > two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed > his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because > "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot > prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by > drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to > succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to > going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the > admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have > an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. > > What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides > the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is > that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe > false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be > considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case > on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order > from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). > > We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a > letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if > someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need > to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its > standard misdemeanor status. > > In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from > the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the > Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from Alameda > YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense > fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht > clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark > Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on > July 25 at 7 p.m. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post > the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. > > >

Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >From Latitude 38 >July 20, 2009 – Lake County >After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page.

Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >From Latitude 38 >July 20, 2009 – Lake County >After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page.

I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. > This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case > is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and > didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in > uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's > department itself. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was > dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one > dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to > what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would > end it. > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<ma… [at] reenactor.net> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> From Latitude 38 >> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >> >> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >> >> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number >> two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed >> his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because >> "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot >> prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by >> drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >> >> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >> >> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such >> a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder >> if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they >> need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to >> its standard misdemeanor status. >> >> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >> >> > > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was sent to you in error, do not read it. 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Here's his letter. Still sounds like the good old boy system is alive and well: http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$!2c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>wrote: > I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, > basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go > after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were > eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of > not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is > after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: > > JON E. HOPKINS > DISTRICT ATTORNEY > > 255 North Forbes St > Lakeport, CA 95453 > (707) 263-2251 > > Bruce Stirling > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. >> This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> >> >> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case >> is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >> department itself. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> >> >> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that >> was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one >> dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to >> what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >> end it. >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<ma… [at] reenactor.net> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> From Latitude 38 >>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>> >>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>> >>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>> >>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>> >>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such >>> a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder >>> if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they >>> need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to >>> its standard misdemeanor status. >>> >>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > br… [at] stirlinglaw.com > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers > > This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is > intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the > employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was > sent to you in error, do not read it. 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Please give me mercy... I believe I'll skip the justice! --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:59 PM Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

Thank you Bruce for the #. I called! --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:16 PM Here's his letter. Still sounds like the good old boy system is alive and well: http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$!2c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <wh… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

Allen, I'd like to see the policeman who hit the sailboat go to jail for manslaughter and falsification of evidence, and ditto for the prosecutor, the other lying police, and the whole city police dept. The FBI needs to investigate this mess, are they snoozing? Apparently so. His fellow policemen admitted to being in on the cover up (one or more blew the whistle finally, after much extended, years long soul searching), that he was drunk when he T-boned the drifting sailboat, and all the evidence was fabricated to cover up the "brother police officer". These facts prove that these folks are just the same as gangsters, but with uniforms stealing tax money for fun and profit. There is so much of this going on, that isn't reported by the press, that it is nauseating. Jerry --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:04 PM Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

Bruce, Nice job, but I don't think this is as effective as getting an FBI investigation and prosecuting the police for denying Dinius' civil rights. This should be a federal case of police and judicial corruption. Got any ideas on who in government can put the screws to the Federal judiciary, or maybe the State of California? How about Jerry Brown? I can't believe, oh excuse me, I can believe that this case has been dragging on for the last three years. I've pretty much lost all my faith in our government. Nowadays I don't trust 'them' any more than I did the crossing guards that would lie about you jay walking to put you under detention to have you kept after school for a few days, back in third grade. Same mentality, just older, and with a lot more power. Boy, did they babmboozel us in 9th grade civics class--about how government supposed to work? The other problem is the unwillingness of the majority of the population to get involved, to become "militant" or perish the thought, to be "activists". Those are now all dirty words, or have been made so by our media in the way they are used in context, to sound derrogatory, to sound like we are anti-social, like, anarchist, pinko, commie, socialits, etc. etc. was used before the new "activist" and "militant" words came into vogue. What gets me is how we/the blessed Media, are constantly criticizing foreign governments for how they mistreat their citizens when things aren't a whole lot different here. It's like a game of distraction while the politicians and their sponsors pick our pockets while we look the other way. The current "stimulus program" where the money is taken from us, our children, and our grand children, to give to bankers who are supposed to have lost money speculating on the housing bubble, either by loaning the money or gaurnteeing the worthiness of the loans, and who we can't allow to fail, because "they are too big to fail", has gotta be the last straw, but I don't see any revolt brewing. Now how are we going to climb a derrick, board a container-ship, break a few containers and dump tea into the Los Angles Harbor, while dressed as Pequot Indians, and get away with it? Maybe the Somali pirates can help us on this one? They seem to have figured it out! Aaarrghh! Jerry --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:16 PM Here's his letter. Still sounds like the good old boy system is alive and well: http://www.co. lake.ca.us/ Assets/DistrictA ttorney/Press+ Releases/ January+2008/ July+17$! 2c+2009+- +Dinius+Sailboat +Case+Open+ Letter.pdf On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

Jerry, You need to work on getting out of your shell and expressing your real feelings. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Bruce, > Nice job, but I don't think this is as effective as getting an FBI > investigation and prosecuting the police for denying Dinius' civil rights. > This should be a federal case of police and judicial corruption. Got any > ideas on who in government can put the screws to the Federal judiciary, or > maybe the State of California? How about Jerry Brown? > > I can't believe, oh excuse me, I can believe that this case has been > dragging on for the last three years. I've pretty much lost all my faith in > our government. Nowadays I don't trust 'them' any more than I did the > crossing guards that would lie about you jay walking to put you under > detention to have you kept after school for a few days, back in third grade. > Same mentality, just older, and with a lot more power. > > Boy, did they babmboozel us in 9th grade civics class--about how government > supposed to work? > > The other problem is the unwillingness of the majority of the population to > get involved, to become "militant" or perish the thought, to be "activists". > Those are now all dirty words, or have been made so by our media in the way > they are used in context, to sound derrogatory, to sound like we are > anti-social, like, anarchist, pinko, commie, socialits, etc. etc. was used > before the new "activist" and "militant" words came into vogue. What gets me > is how we/the blessed Media, are constantly criticizing foreign governments > for how they mistreat their citizens when things aren't a whole lot > different here. It's like a game of distraction while the politicians and > their sponsors pick our pockets while we look the other way. > > The current "stimulus program" where the money is taken from us, our > children, and our grand children, to give to bankers who are supposed to > have lost money speculating on the housing bubble, either by loaning the > money or gaurnteeing the worthiness of the loans, and who we can't allow to > fail, because "they are too big to fail", has gotta be the last straw, but I > don't see any revolt brewing. > > Now how are we going to climb a derrick, board a container-ship, break a > few containers and dump tea into the Los Angles Harbor, while dressed as > Pequot Indians, and get away with it? > > Maybe the Somali pirates can help us on this one? They seem to have > figured it out! > Aaarrghh! > Jerry > > --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>* wrote: > > > From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:16 PM > > > > Here's his letter. Still sounds like the good old boy system is alive and > well: > > http://www.co. lake.ca.us/ Assets/DistrictA ttorney/Press+ Releases/ > January+2008/ July+17$! 2c+2009+- +Dinius+Sailboat +Case+Open+ Letter.pdf<http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf> > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com<http://mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > > wrote: > >> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective >> thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision >> not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when >> there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I >> accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his >> number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >> >> JON E. HOPKINS >> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >> >> 255 North Forbes St >> Lakeport, CA 95453 >> (707) 263-2251 >> >> Bruce Stirling >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it >>> up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com> >>> > >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> >>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This >>> case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >>> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >>> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >>> department itself. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> >>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that >>> was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one >>> dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to >>> what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >>> end it. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<http://mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>> >>>> From Latitude 38 >>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>> >>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>> >>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>> >>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>> >>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post >>>> such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to >>>> wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, >>>> they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the >>>> BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>> >>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >> 602.254.6638 >> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >> bruce@stirlinglaw. com <http://mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> >> >> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is >> intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. >> If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the >> employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you >> received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by >> replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was >> sent to you in error, do not read it. Please reply to the sender that you >> received the message in error, then delete it. >> >> > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > bruce@stirlinglaw. com <http://mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> > > This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. 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Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page:http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php <http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php> Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > > > I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his > number around. > > Bob Connell > > --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>* wrote: > > > From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM > > I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective > thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision > not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when > there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I > accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his > number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: > > JON E. HOPKINS > DISTRICT ATTORNEY > > 255 North Forbes St > Lakeport, CA 95453 > (707) 263-2251 > > Bruce Stirling > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it >> up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> >> >> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> >> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This >> case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >> department itself. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that >> was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one >> dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to >> what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >> end it. >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 >>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such >>> a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder >>> if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they >>> need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to >>> its standard misdemeanor status. >>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > bruce@stirlinglaw. com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> > > This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is > intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the > employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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If California is anything like Arizona, no one can force a prosecutor to bring, or not bring, charges against anyone. It is completely the prosecutor's call. Once upon a time I was Chief Deputy County Attorney in a small Arizona county. Only fear of not getting re-elected can phase him. In Arizona, prosecutors are also immune from suits, as are the judges. In his letter to the public he states the sailboat owner admitted he did not have his running lights on. Others said he did. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > > > Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact > him from this web page: > http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php > <http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php> > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his >> number around. >> >> Bob Connell >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >> >> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective >> thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision >> not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when >> there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I >> accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his >> number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >> >> JON E. HOPKINS >> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >> >> 255 North Forbes St >> Lakeport, CA 95453 >> (707) 263-2251 >> >> Bruce Stirling >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it >>> up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> >>> >>> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This >>> case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >>> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >>> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >>> department itself. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one >>> that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the >>> one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according >>> to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >>> end it. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 >>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post >>>> such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to >>>> wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, >>>> they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the >>>> BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >> 602.254.6638 >> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >> bruce@stirlinglaw. com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> >> >> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is >> intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. >> If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the >> employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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oh ya that is an easy task did you try the number or try to send a email Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 July 20, 2009 – Lake County After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] bruce@stirlinglaw. com http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. 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On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Bruce Stirling wrote: > If California is anything like Arizona, no one can force a > prosecutor to bring, or not bring, charges against anyone. It is > completely the prosecutor's call. Once upon a time I was Chief > Deputy County Attorney in a small Arizona county. Only fear of not > getting re-elected can phase him. In Arizona, prosecutors are also > immune from suits, as are the judges. > > In his letter to the public he states the sailboat owner admitted he > did not have his running lights on. Others said he did. > An expert has stated that they were on. This is small county justice at work. Those guys all know each other and the sailboat people were not part of the in-crowd. The perp and the DA are probably drinking buddies. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > >

I agree. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Bruce Stirling wrote: > > > If California is anything like Arizona, no one can force a > > prosecutor to bring, or not bring, charges against anyone. It is > > completely the prosecutor's call. Once upon a time I was Chief > > Deputy County Attorney in a small Arizona county. Only fear of not > > getting re-elected can phase him. In Arizona, prosecutors are also > > immune from suits, as are the judges. > > > > In his letter to the public he states the sailboat owner admitted he > > did not have his running lights on. Others said he did. > > > > An expert has stated that they were on. This is small county justice > at work. Those guys all know each other and the sailboat people were > not part of the in-crowd. The perp and the DA are probably drinking > buddies. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was sent to you in error, do not read it. Please reply to the sender that you received the message in error, then delete it.

That expert determined that the running lights were on because all the filaments were distorted from the sudden impact, having been glowing white hot at the time. At least that's how I heard it told at the time. There's a facebook page this too, for what it's worth: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Clear-Lake-Case-Support-Bismarck-Dinius-and-Expose-Russell-Perdock/92870361397?v=wall&viewas=625781815 I hope that works. Also, as for pestering Jerry Brown, in case that somehow makes a difference, he has a page too. As a politician who keeps wanting to be elected, he might listen if enough people pester him, they say. Here's his page: http://www.facebook.com/jerrybrown I wish the 1st link looked that decent; perhaps some day I'll figure out this facebook thing. Jean-Louis Cal 20 #343 "Casa de Perro" San Pedro CA From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:42:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Bruce Stirling wrote: > If California is anything like Arizona, no one can force a > prosecutor to bring, or not bring, charges against anyone. It is > completely the prosecutor's call. Once upon a time I was Chief > Deputy County Attorney in a small Arizona county. Only fear of not > getting re-elected can phase him. In Arizona, prosecutors are also > immune from suits, as are the judges. > > In his letter to the public he states the sailboat owner admitted he > did not have his running lights on. Others said he did. > An expert has stated that they were on. This is small county justice at work. Those guys all know each other and the sailboat people were not part of the in-crowd. The perp and the DA are probably drinking buddies. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

"In this motion filed today<http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/Prosecutorial_Misconduct2.PDF>in Lake County Superior Court, defense attorney Victor Haltom accuses District Attorney Jon Hopkins of prosecutorial misconduct. It centers around a highly-unusual “open letter”<http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf>Hopkins published on the Lake County government website, in which he calls defendant Bismarck Dinius a “drunken sailor” and claims to have found that “twelve people saw no running lights on the sailboat at the time of the collision”. Haltom refutes Hopkins’ claim in today’s motion taking the witnesses one by one, and he questions the timing of the D.A.’s letter with jury selection underway." I just sent all of the information and the web site information, including the above paragraph and links to about 400+ Arizona criminal defense attorneys. Maybe someone knows someone. Or maybe they'll want to lend a hand. What a crock. Sounds like the judge is in on it, too.

this seems to be going from very sad to a travesty. I say throw all of them in the brig (drunken sailor with priors and reckless cop motor boater) and take away the DA's license for grandstanding this issue like we saw in the Duke Lacrosse case. We don't need any of these people on or around the water. 0.02$ dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped "In this motion filed today<http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/Prosecutorial_Misconduct2.PDF> in Lake County Superior Court, defense attorney Victor Haltom accuses District Attorney Jon Hopkins of prosecutorial misconduct. It centers around a highly-unusual "open letter"<http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf> Hopkins published on the Lake County government website, in which he calls defendant Bismarck Dinius a "drunken sailor" and claims to have found that "twelve people saw no running lights on the sailboat at the time of the collision". Haltom refutes Hopkins' claim in today's motion taking the witnesses one by one, and he questions the timing of the D.A.'s letter with jury selection underway." I just sent all of the information and the web site information, including the above paragraph and links to about 400+ Arizona criminal defense attorneys. Maybe someone knows someone. Or maybe they'll want to lend a hand. What a crock. Sounds like the judge is in on it, too.

Timm, the guy's blood alcohol was at the legal limit, not over. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Jul 21, 2009, at 4:35 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > this seems to be going from very sad to a travesty. > > I say throw all of them in the brig (drunken sailor with priors and > reckless cop motor boater) and take away the DA's license for > grandstanding this issue like we saw in the Duke Lacrosse case. > > We don't need any of these people on or around the water. > > 0.02$ > > dEmO > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:08 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > "In this motion filed today in Lake County Superior Court, defense > attorney Victor Haltom accuses District Attorney Jon Hopkins of > prosecutorial misconduct. It centers around a highly-unusual “open > letter” Hopkins published on the Lake County government website, in > which he calls defendant Bismarck Dinius a “drunken sailor” and > claims to have found that “twelve people saw no running lights on > the sailboat at the time of the collision”. Haltom refutes Hopkins’ > claim in today’s motion taking the witnesses one by one, and he > questions the timing of the D.A.’s letter with jury selection > underway." > > _________________________________________________________ > > I just sent all of the information and the web site information, > including the above paragraph and links to about 400+ Arizona > criminal defense attorneys. Maybe someone knows someone. Or maybe > they'll want to lend a hand. > > What a crock. Sounds like the judge is in on it, too. > > >

the guy wasn't a drunken sailor. He was some guy, on another guy's boat who had been offered the tiller. No more. It's BS! ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > > this seems to be going from very sad to a travesty. > > I say throw all of them in the brig (drunken sailor with priors and > reckless cop motor boater) and take away the DA's license for > grandstanding this issue like we saw in the Duke Lacrosse case. > > We don't need any of these people on or around the water. > > 0.02$ > > dEmO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Bruce Stirling > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:08 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > "In this motion filed today > <http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/Prosecutorial_Misconduct2.PDF> in > Lake County Superior Court, defense attorney Victor Haltom accuses > District Attorney Jon Hopkins of prosecutorial misconduct. It centers > around a highly-unusual "open letter" > <http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf> > Hopkins published on the Lake County government website, in which he > calls defendant Bismarck Dinius a "drunken sailor" and claims to have > found that "twelve people saw no running lights on the sailboat at the > time of the collision". Haltom refutes Hopkins' claim in today's > motion taking the witnesses one by one, and he questions the timing of > the D.A.'s letter with jury selection underway." > > _________________________________________________________ > > I just sent all of the information and the web site information, > including the above paragraph and links to about 400+ Arizona criminal > defense attorneys. Maybe someone knows someone. Or maybe they'll > want to lend a hand. > > What a crock. Sounds like the judge is in on it, too. > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

I sent an email. Easy. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com > wrote: > > > oh ya that is an easy task did you try the number or try to send a email > Dave Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact > him from this web page: > http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php > <http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php> > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his >> number around. >> >> Bob Connell >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >> >> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective >> thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision >> not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when >> there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I >> accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his >> number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >> >> JON E. HOPKINS >> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >> >> 255 North Forbes St >> Lakeport, CA 95453 >> (707) 263-2251 >> >> Bruce Stirling >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it >>> up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> >>> >>> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This >>> case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >>> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >>> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >>> department itself. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one >>> that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the >>> one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according >>> to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >>> end it. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 >>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post >>>> such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to >>>> wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, >>>> they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the >>>> BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >> 602.254.6638 >> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >> bruce@stirlinglaw. com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> >> >> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is >> intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. >> If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the >> employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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I sent an email. Easy. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com > wrote: > > > oh ya that is an easy task did you try the number or try to send a email > Dave Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact > him from this web page: > http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php > <http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php> > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his >> number around. >> >> Bob Connell >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >> >> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective >> thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision >> not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when >> there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I >> accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his >> number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >> >> JON E. HOPKINS >> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >> >> 255 North Forbes St >> Lakeport, CA 95453 >> (707) 263-2251 >> >> Bruce Stirling >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it >>> up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> >>> >>> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This >>> case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >>> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >>> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >>> department itself. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one >>> that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the >>> one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according >>> to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >>> end it. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 >>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post >>>> such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to >>>> wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, >>>> they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the >>>> BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >> 602.254.6638 >> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >> bruce@stirlinglaw. com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> >> >> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is >> intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. >> If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the >> employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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If there is no wind, as was the case here, are you a sailor any more than are you a driver of a car with the engine off. The speedboat was heading directly into the lights of the town because he thought that this would silhouette any boats on the water. Instead, it just obscured the running lights of the sailboat. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > > the guy wasn't a drunken sailor. He was some guy, on another guy's boat who > had been offered the tiller. No more. It's BS! > > > ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > this seems to be going from very sad to a travesty. > > I say throw all of them in the brig (drunken sailor with priors and > reckless cop motor boater) and take away the DA's license for grandstanding > this issue like we saw in the Duke Lacrosse case. > > We don't need any of these people on or around the water. > > 0.02$ > > dEmO > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > *On Behalf Of *Bruce Stirling > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:08 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > "In this motion filed today<http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/Prosecutorial_Misconduct2.PDF>in Lake County Superior Court, defense attorney Victor Haltom accuses > District Attorney Jon Hopkins of prosecutorial misconduct. It centers around > a highly-unusual “open letter”<http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf>Hopkins published on the Lake County government website, in which he calls > defendant Bismarck Dinius a “drunken sailor” and claims to have found that > “twelve people saw no running lights on the sailboat at the time of the > collision”. Haltom refutes Hopkins’ claim in today’s motion taking the > witnesses one by one, and he questions the timing of the D.A.’s letter > with jury selection underway." > > _________________________________________________________ > > I just sent all of the information and the web site information, including > the above paragraph and links to about 400+ Arizona criminal defense > attorneys. Maybe someone knows someone. Or maybe they'll want to lend a > hand. > > What a crock. Sounds like the judge is in on it, too. > > > -- > *´¨) > ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh > ----------------------------- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> <http://www.reenactor.net/> > > Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> > > -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> <http://www.ir23.org> > -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> <http://www.foresthill.us/> > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? > Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! > > >

so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 July 20, 2009 – Lake County After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] bruce@stirlinglaw. com http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was sent to you in error, do not read it. Please reply to the sender that you received the message in error, then delete it.

who is going to read it Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped I sent an email. Easy. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com> wrote: oh ya that is an easy task did you try the number or try to send a email Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 July 20, 2009 – Lake County After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] bruce@stirlinglaw. com http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. 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Jerry, put away Chairman Mao's little red book. He didn't approve of private boats. Breathe, it will all be okay on 1.20.1013 and maybe before that. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Bruce, > Nice job, but I don't think this is as effective as getting an FBI > investigation and prosecuting the police for denying Dinius' civil > rights. This should be a federal case of police and judicial > corruption. Got any ideas on who in government can put the screws to > the Federal judiciary, or maybe the State of California? How about > Jerry Brown? > > I can't believe, oh excuse me, I can believe that this case has been > dragging on for the last three years. I've pretty much lost all my > faith in our government. Nowadays I don't trust 'them' any more than I > did the crossing guards that would lie about you jay walking to put > you under detention to have you kept after school for a few days, back > in third grade. Same mentality, just older, and with a lot more power. > > Boy, did they babmboozel us in 9th grade civics class--about how > government supposed to work? > > The other problem is the unwillingness of the majority of the > population to get involved, to become "militant" or perish the > thought, to be "activists". Those are now all dirty words, or have > been made so by our media in the way they are used in context, to > sound derrogatory, to sound like we are anti-social, like, anarchist, > pinko, commie, socialits, etc. etc. was used before the new "activist" > and "militant" words came into vogue. What gets me is how we/the > blessed Media, are constantly criticizing foreign governments for how > they mistreat their citizens when things aren't a whole lot different > here. It's like a game of distraction while the politicians and their > sponsors pick our pockets while we look the other way. > > The current "stimulus program" where the money is taken from us, our > children, and our grand children, to give to bankers who are supposed > to have lost money speculating on the housing bubble, either by > loaning the money or gaurnteeing the worthiness of the loans, and who > we can't allow to fail, because "they are too big to fail", has gotta > be the last straw, but I don't see any revolt brewing. > > Now how are we going to climb a derrick, board a container-ship, break > a few containers and dump tea into the Los Angles Harbor, while > dressed as Pequot Indians, and get away with it? > > Maybe the Somali pirates can help us on this one? They seem to have > figured it out! > Aaarrghh! > Jerry > > --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling /<br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:16 PM > > > > Here's his letter. Still sounds like the good old boy system is > alive and well: > > http://www.co. lake.ca.us/ Assets/DistrictA ttorney/Press+ > Releases/ January+2008/ July+17$! 2c+2009+- +Dinius+Sailboat > +Case+Open+ Letter.pdf > <http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf> > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bruce Stirling > <bruce@stirlinglaw. com </mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>> wrote: > > I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our > collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit > and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator > was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and > admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not > doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. > It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: > > JON E. HOPKINS > DISTRICT ATTORNEY > > 255 North Forbes St > Lakeport, CA 95453 > (707) 263-2251 > > Bruce Stirling > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ > yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you > succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it > disgusts me. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com > </mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> > > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > </mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's > Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff > who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a > breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. > They should also bring conspiracy charges against the > sheriff's department itself. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com> > > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Very little difference between the charge that remains and > the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one > that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many > people who saw the running lights on according to what I > have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. > That would end it. > > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise > <marsh@reenactor. net > </mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net>> wrote: > > > > > Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > From Latitude 38 > July 20, 2009 – Lake County > > After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing > to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against > Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. > Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. > In an open letter posted on the county's website, > Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was > caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, > who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat > drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons > not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins > announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in > court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution > of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with > a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the > fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius > and could earn him three years in prison. > > Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell > Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — > now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his > speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting > sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat > operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the > speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat > operated by drunken sailors at night without their > running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove > the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to > going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed > higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to > us that forensic scientists should have an easy time > of estimating that piece of evidence. > > What's particularly perplexing about the release of > this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the > middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it > Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to > believe false facts, and that only what is presented > before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, > presenting his version of the facts of the case on the > county's website — just a few months after requesting > a gag order from the presiding judge (which was > obviously denied). > > We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so > unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, > or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if > someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone > call. If so, they need to make one more call — to > 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its > standard misdemeanor status. > > In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of > Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County > Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the > Oakland-based Catalina 36 /Y-Knot?/ reports that the > proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner > last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We > raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope > other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And > as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of > the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier > on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser > for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf> > page. > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > bruce@stirlinglaw. com </mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers > <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> > > This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This > message is intended only for the use of the person or entity > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent > responsible for delivering this message to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this message is strictly > prohibited. If you received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this > email or by telephone. 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I mean 1.20.2013 :-Þ Marsh Wise wrote: > > > Jerry, put away Chairman Mao's little red book. He didn't approve of > private boats. Breathe, it will all be okay on 1.20.1013 and maybe > before that. > Marsh > > Gerald Sobel wrote: >> Bruce, >> Nice job, but I don't think this is as effective as getting an FBI >> investigation and prosecuting the police for denying Dinius' civil >> rights. This should be a federal case of police and judicial >> corruption. Got any ideas on who in government can put the screws to >> the Federal judiciary, or maybe the State of California? How about >> Jerry Brown? >> >> I can't believe, oh excuse me, I can believe that this case has been >> dragging on for the last three years. I've pretty much lost all my >> faith in our government. Nowadays I don't trust 'them' any more than >> I did the crossing guards that would lie about you jay walking to put >> you under detention to have you kept after school for a few days, >> back in third grade. Same mentality, just older, and with a lot more >> power. >> >> Boy, did they babmboozel us in 9th grade civics class--about how >> government supposed to work? >> >> The other problem is the unwillingness of the majority of the >> population to get involved, to become "militant" or perish the >> thought, to be "activists". Those are now all dirty words, or have >> been made so by our media in the way they are used in context, to >> sound derrogatory, to sound like we are anti-social, like, anarchist, >> pinko, commie, socialits, etc. etc. was used before the new >> "activist" and "militant" words came into vogue. What gets me is how >> we/the blessed Media, are constantly criticizing foreign governments >> for how they mistreat their citizens when things aren't a whole lot >> different here. It's like a game of distraction while the politicians >> and their sponsors pick our pockets while we look the other way. >> >> The current "stimulus program" where the money is taken from us, our >> children, and our grand children, to give to bankers who are supposed >> to have lost money speculating on the housing bubble, either by >> loaning the money or gaurnteeing the worthiness of the loans, and who >> we can't allow to fail, because "they are too big to fail", has gotta >> be the last straw, but I don't see any revolt brewing. >> >> Now how are we going to climb a derrick, board a container-ship, >> break a few containers and dump tea into the Los Angles Harbor, while >> dressed as Pequot Indians, and get away with it? >> >> Maybe the Somali pirates can help us on this one? They seem to have >> figured it out! >> Aaarrghh! >> Jerry >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling /<br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>/* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:16 PM >> >> >> >> Here's his letter. Still sounds like the good old boy system is >> alive and well: >> >> http://www.co. lake.ca.us/ Assets/DistrictA ttorney/Press+ >> Releases/ January+2008/ July+17$! 2c+2009+- +Dinius+Sailboat >> +Case+Open+ Letter.pdf >> <http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bruce Stirling >> <bruce@stirlinglaw. com </mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>> >> wrote: >> >> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our >> collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of >> shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat >> operator was disgusting, particularly when there were >> eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I >> accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. >> Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone >> recording machine is on: >> >> JON E. HOPKINS >> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >> >> 255 North Forbes St >> Lakeport, CA 95453 >> (707) 263-2251 >> >> Bruce Stirling >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ >> yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you >> succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it >> disgusts me. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com >> </mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> >> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> </mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> >> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's >> Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff >> who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a >> breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges >> against the sheriff's department itself. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> >> >> Very little difference between the charge that remains >> and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the >> one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are >> many people who saw the running lights on according to >> what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 >> minutes. That would end it. >> >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise >> <marsh@reenactor. net >> </mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> From Latitude 38 >> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >> >> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing >> to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against >> Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. >> Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. >> In an open letter posted on the county's website, >> Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was >> caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, >> who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a >> sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For >> reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, >> Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the >> prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury >> or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge >> still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the >> feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >> >> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute >> Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's >> office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed >> his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the >> drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a >> motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot >> prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a >> sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without >> their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't >> prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has >> admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put >> his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, >> it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >> >> What's particularly perplexing about the release of >> this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the >> middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it >> Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to >> believe false facts, and that only what is presented >> before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, >> presenting his version of the facts of the case on >> the county's website — just a few months after >> requesting a gag order from the presiding judge >> (which was obviously denied). >> >> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so >> unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, >> or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder >> if someone higher up the food chain made a timely >> phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — >> to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its >> standard misdemeanor status. >> >> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of >> Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County >> Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >> Oakland-based Catalina 36 /Y-Knot?/ reports that the >> proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner >> last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We >> raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I >> hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." >> And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder >> of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a >> fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on >> our Facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf> >> page. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >> 602.254.6638 >> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >> bruce@stirlinglaw. com </mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers >> <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> >> >> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This >> message is intended only for the use of the person or entity >> to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is >> not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent >> responsible for delivering this message to the intended >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly >> prohibited. 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California government doesn't work. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com > wrote: > > > so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. > but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact > him from this web page: > http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php > <http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php> > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jo… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his >> number around. >> >> Bob Connell >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >> >> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective >> thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision >> not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when >> there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I >> accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his >> number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >> >> JON E. HOPKINS >> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >> >> 255 North Forbes St >> Lakeport, CA 95453 >> (707) 263-2251 >> >> Bruce Stirling >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it >>> up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> >>> >>> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This >>> case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and >>> didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in >>> uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's >>> department itself. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one >>> that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the >>> one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according >>> to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would >>> end it. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 >>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the >>>> ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County >>>> District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just >>>> that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains >>>> that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of >>>> Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat >>>> drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in >>>> the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter >>>> charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the >>>> felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." >>>> That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of >>>> Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the >>>> number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who >>>> rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, >>>> because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we >>>> cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated >>>> by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to >>>> succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to >>>> going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the >>>> admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have >>>> an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides >>>> the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is >>>> that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe >>>> false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be >>>> considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case >>>> on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order >>>> from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post >>>> such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to >>>> wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, >>>> they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the >>>> BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from >>>> the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the >>>> Oakland-based Catalina 36 *Y-Knot?* reports that the proceeds from >>>> Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal >>>> defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope >>>> other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, >>>> MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a >>>> fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for >>>> Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf>page. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >> 602.254.6638 >> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >> bruce@stirlinglaw. com<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> >> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> >> >> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is >> intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. >> If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the >> employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Michael, Sounds like we need a folk song by the likes of Arlo Guthrie, or, why heck, his son or daughter! This makes the 'Alices Restaurant Massacree' look like nuthin! The Dinius Case in nothing less than a lynch party by crooked county officials. The man who is guilty of manslaughter is the drunk deputy. Jerry --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 2:42 PM On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Bruce Stirling wrote: > If California is anything like Arizona, no one can force a > prosecutor to bring, or not bring, charges against anyone. It is > completely the prosecutor's call. Once upon a time I was Chief > Deputy County Attorney in a small Arizona county. Only fear of not > getting re-elected can phase him. In Arizona, prosecutors are also > immune from suits, as are the judges. > > In his letter to the public he states the sailboat owner admitted he > did not have his running lights on. Others said he did. > An expert has stated that they were on. This is small county justice at work. Those guys all know each other and the sailboat people were not part of the in-crowd. The perp and the DA are probably drinking buddies. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > >

Allen, I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted peanuts?) What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! Jerry --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM California government doesn't work. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> wrote: so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com> wrote: I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped From Latitude 38 July 20, 2009 – Lake County After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] bruce@stirlinglaw. com http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. 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Yes, it used to work, before the whole legislature was taken over by totally nutty, left wing socialist nut jobs. Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Allen, > I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' > schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, > Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I > wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia > even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all > know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying > to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion > dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something > else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted > peanuts?) > > What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy > just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the > Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just > saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in > slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him > gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? > And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes > campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro > quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention > anything political. drat! > Jerry > > --- On *Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards > /<al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > > California government doesn't work. > > > Allen > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson > <dpaulson@socal. rr.com </mc/compose?to=dp… [at] socal.rr.com>> wrote: > > > > so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry > to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards > </mc/compose?to=al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > </mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > > > Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry > Brown. Contact him from this web page: > > http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php <http://ag.ca.gov/contact.php> > > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell > <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com > </mc/compose?to=jo… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am > spreading his number around. > > Bob Connell > > > --- On *Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling > /<bruce@stirlinglaw. com > </mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>>/* wrote: > > > From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com > </mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter > Charge Dropped > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > </mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM > > > I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him > our collective thoughts, basically telling him he > was full of shit and that his decision not to go > after the motorboat operator was disgusting, > particularly when there were eye-witnesses and > admissions from the operator himself. I accused > him of not doing his duty and of playing > politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, > but the telephone recording machine is on: > > JON E. HOPKINS > DISTRICT ATTORNEY > > 255 North Forbes St > Lakeport, CA 95453 > (707) 263-2251 > > Bruce Stirling > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat > <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com > <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lo… [at] yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and > you succinctly summed it up. This case is just > so absurd, it disgusts me. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ > yahoo.com > <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wh… [at] yahoo.com>> > > > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter > Charge Dropped > > > Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and > Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. > Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding > recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer > test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. > They should also bring conspiracy charges > against the sheriff's department itself. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ > PaloAltoPhoto. com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> > > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter > Charge Dropped > > > Very little difference between the charge that > remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years > in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for > the one dropped. There are many people who > saw the running lights on according to what I > have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 > minutes. That would end it. > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise > <marsh@reenactor. net > <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor.net>> > wrote: > > > > > Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > > From Latitude 38 > July 20, 2009 – Lake County > After months — years, really — of > stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous > manslaughter charges against Bismarck > Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon > E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to > do just that. In an open letter posted on > the county's website, Hopkins maintains > that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused > by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck > Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the > tiller of a sailboat drifting along in > zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not > fully explained in the bizarre letter, > Hopkins announced he would dismiss the > manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but > will continue with the prosecution of the > felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death > with a prior conviction of DUI." That > charge still lays the fault of Thornton's > death soley at the feet of Dinius and > could earn him three years in prison. > Hopkins also maintains that he can't > prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two > man in the Sheriff's office — now on > "administrative leave" — who rammed his > speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into > the drifting sailboat, because "attempting > to convict a motorboat operator of > manslaughter, when we cannot prove the > speed of his boat and he collides with a > sailboat operated by drunken sailors at > night without their running lights is not > going to succeed." Can't prove the speed > of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted > to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore > put his speed higher. Beyond the admission > of his speed, it seems to us that forensic > scientists should have an easy time of > estimating that piece of evidence. > What's particularly perplexing about the > release of this letter, besides the fact > that it was done in the middle of jury > selection for the trial, is that in it > Hopkins complains that the "media" has led > people to believe false facts, and that > only what is presented before a jury > should be considered. Yet here he is, > presenting his version of the facts of the > case on the county's website — just a few > months after requesting a gag order from > the presiding judge (which was obviously > denied). > We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so > unprofessional as to post such a letter at > this time, or what his motivations were, > but one has to wonder if someone higher up > the food chain made a timely phone call. > If so, they need to make one more call — > to 'encourage' him to reduce the > BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. > In the meantime, folks are rallying in > support of Bismarck Dinius — from the > steps of the Lake County Courthouse to > Alameda YC. John Reimann of the > Oakland-based Catalina 36 /Y-Knot?/ > reports that the proceeds from Alameda > YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month > went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We > raised a little more than $350," Reimann > said. "I hope other yacht clubs will > consider doing the same." And as far away > as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of > the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a > fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're > planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please > post the details on our Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Latitude-38-Magazine/67531184558?ref=nf> > page. > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > bruce@stirlinglaw. com > <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers > <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers> > > > This message is protected by attorney/client > privilege. This message is intended only for the > use of the person or entity to which it is > addressed. 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All Cal Boaters: Jeez! I'm confused again. Is this the Cal Boats site? It is beginig to look more like a site for Psychotic Paranoid Rants. If I wanted to read this crap I would get on Rush's site. Am I alone in thinking that this foolishness needs to find another venue? Warmest Regards, Wayne From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:06:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Allen, I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted peanuts?) What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! Jerry --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: >From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > >California government doesn't work. > > >Allen > > > >On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> wrote: > > >>so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Allen Edwards >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>>Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: >>>http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Allen >>> >>> >>> >>>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. >>>> >>>>Bob Connell >>>> >>>> >>>>--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>> >>>>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>>>Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >>>>> >>>>>JON E. HOPKINS >>>>>DISTRICT ATTORNEY >>>>> >>>>>255 North Forbes St >>>>>Lakeport, CA 95453 >>>>>(707) 263-2251 >>>>> >>>>>Bruce Stirling >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>>>>> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>>>>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Allen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>>>>From Latitude 38 >>>>>>>July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>>>>>After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>>>>>Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>>>>>What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>>>>>We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>>>>>In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >>>>>602.254.6638 >>>>>602.460.5631 [Cell] >>>>>bruce@stirlinglaw. com >>>>>http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was sent to you in error, do not read it. 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I can hear Roger reining in all political chatter.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Allen, > I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted peanuts?) > > What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! > Jerry > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > > California government doesn't work. > > Allen > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Allen Edwards >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> >> >> Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: >> >> http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php >> >> Allen >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. >>> >>> Bob Connell >>> >>> --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >>> >>> >>> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >>> >>> JON E. HOPKINS >>> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >>> >>> 255 North Forbes St >>> Lakeport, CA 95453 >>> (707) 263-2251 >>> >>> Bruce Stirling >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>> >>>> >>>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>> >>>> >>>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. >>>> Allen >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>> >>>>> From Latitude 38 >>>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >>> 602.254.6638 >>> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >>> bruce@stirlinglaw. com >>> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers >>> >>> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was sent to you in error, do not read it. Please reply to the sender that you received the message in error, then delete it. >>> >>> >> > >

oops. Sent empty by mistake. What killed the state was deregulation of the electric industry which allowed Enron to manipulate the market. Same thinking that just killed the country. Regulation has its problems but no regulation is worse as we are finding out. The economy stinks but it does make used boats cheap. See, I brought it around to boating :) Allen On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Allen Edwards<al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Allen, >> I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted peanuts?) >> >> What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! >> Jerry >> >> --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: >> >> From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM >> >> >> >> California government doesn't work. >> >> Allen >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Allen Edwards >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>> >>> >>> Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: >>> >>> http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. >>>> >>>> Bob Connell >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: >>>> >>>> JON E. HOPKINS >>>> DISTRICT ATTORNEY >>>> >>>> 255 North Forbes St >>>> Lakeport, CA 95453 >>>> (707) 263-2251 >>>> >>>> Bruce Stirling >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> >>>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. >>>>> Allen >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped >>>>>> >>>>>> From Latitude 38 >>>>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County >>>>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. >>>>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. >>>>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). >>>>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. >>>>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post the details on our Facebook page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. >>>> 602.254.6638 >>>> 602.460.5631 [Cell] >>>> bruce@stirlinglaw. com >>>> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers >>>> >>>> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was sent to you in error, do not read it. 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Nice job. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > oops. Sent empty by mistake. What killed the state was deregulation > of the electric industry which allowed Enron to manipulate the market. > Same thinking that just killed the country. Regulation has its > problems but no regulation is worse as we are finding out. The > economy stinks but it does make used boats cheap. See, I brought it > around to boating :) > > Allen > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Allen Edwards<al… [at] gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Allen, > >> I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' > schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, > Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, > wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget > surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their > sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility > bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got > impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? > too much salt in the salted peanuts?) > >> > >> What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just > got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was > in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen > California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after > reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for > advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm > happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions > form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh > uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! > >> Jerry > >> > >> --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > wrote: > >> > >> From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> California government doesn't work. > >> > >> Allen > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. > rr.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be > gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Allen Edwards > >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > >>> > >>> > >>> Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. > Contact him from this web page: > >>> > >>> http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php > >>> > >>> Allen > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ > yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his > number around. > >>>> > >>>> Bob Connell > >>>> > >>>> --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >>>> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective > thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision > not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when > there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I > accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his > number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: > >>>> > >>>> JON E. HOPKINS > >>>> DISTRICT ATTORNEY > >>>> > >>>> 255 North Forbes St > >>>> Lakeport, CA 95453 > >>>> (707) 263-2251 > >>>> > >>>> Bruce Stirling > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed > it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> > >>>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This > case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and > didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in > uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's > department itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > >>>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one > that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the > one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according > to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would > end it. > >>>>> Allen > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From Latitude 38 > >>>>>> July 20, 2009 – Lake County > >>>>>> After months — years, really — of stubbornly refusing to drop the > ridiculous manslaughter charges against Bismarck Dinius, Lake County > District Attorney Jon E. Hopkins announced on Friday his plan to do just > that. In an open letter posted on the county's website, Hopkins maintains > that Lynn Thornton's 2006 death was caused by the supposed drunkeness of > Bismarck Dinius, who happened to be sitting at the tiller of a sailboat > drifting along in zephyrs on Clear Lake. For reasons not fully explained in > the bizarre letter, Hopkins announced he would dismiss the manslaughter > charge in court tomorrow, but will continue with the prosecution of the > felony BUI "causing bodily injury or death with a prior conviction of DUI." > That charge still lays the fault of Thornton's death soley at the feet of > Dinius and could earn him three years in prison. > >>>>>> Hopkins also maintains that he can't prosecute Russell Perdock, the > number two man in the Sheriff's office — now on "administrative leave" — who > rammed his speedboat at an estimated 40-60 mph into the drifting sailboat, > because "attempting to convict a motorboat operator of manslaughter, when we > cannot prove the speed of his boat and he collides with a sailboat operated > by drunken sailors at night without their running lights is not going to > succeed." Can't prove the speed of his boat? Perdock himself has admitted to > going 40 mph, and witnesses on shore put his speed higher. Beyond the > admission of his speed, it seems to us that forensic scientists should have > an easy time of estimating that piece of evidence. > >>>>>> What's particularly perplexing about the release of this letter, > besides the fact that it was done in the middle of jury selection for the > trial, is that in it Hopkins complains that the "media" has led people to > believe false facts, and that only what is presented before a jury should be > considered. Yet here he is, presenting his version of the facts of the case > on the county's website — just a few months after requesting a gag order > from the presiding judge (which was obviously denied). > >>>>>> We clearly have no idea why Hopkins was so unprofessional as to post > such a letter at this time, or what his motivations were, but one has to > wonder if someone higher up the food chain made a timely phone call. If so, > they need to make one more call — to 'encourage' him to reduce the > BUI charge to its standard misdemeanor status. > >>>>>> In the meantime, folks are rallying in support of Bismarck Dinius — > from the steps of the Lake County Courthouse to Alameda YC. John Reimann of > the Oakland-based Catalina 36 Y-Knot? reports that the proceeds from Alameda > YC's monthly fundraising dinner last month went to Dinius' legal defense > fund. "We raised a little more than $350," Reimann said. "I hope other yacht > clubs will consider doing the same." And as far away as Wayzata, MN, Mark > Keifer, founder of the World Ice Racing Circuit, is hosting a fundrasier on > July 25 at 7 p.m.. If you're planning a fundraiser for Bismarck, please post > the details on our Facebook page. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > >>>> 602.254.6638 > >>>> 602.460.5631 [Cell] > >>>> bruce@stirlinglaw. com > >>>> http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers > >>>> > >>>> This message is protected by attorney/client privilege. This message > is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is > addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or > the employee, or the agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > replying to the sender of this email or by telephone. If you believe it was > sent to you in error, do not read it. 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Bruce Stirling wrote: > > > "In this motion filed today > <http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/Prosecutorial_Misconduct2.PDF> in > Lake County Superior Court, defense attorney Victor Haltom accuses > District Attorney Jon Hopkins of prosecutorial misconduct. It centers > around a highly-unusual “open letter” > <http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/DistrictAttorney/Press+Releases/January+2008/July+17$%212c+2009+-+Dinius+Sailboat+Case+Open+Letter.pdf> > Hopkins published on the Lake County government website, in which he > calls defendant Bismarck Dinius a “drunken sailor” and claims to have > found that “twelve people saw no running lights on the sailboat at the > time of the collision”. Haltom refutes Hopkins’ claim in today’s > motion taking the witnesses one by one, and he questions the timing of > the D.A.’s letter with jury selection underway." > > _________________________________________________________ > > I just sent all of the information and the web site information, > including the above paragraph and links to about 400+ Arizona criminal > defense attorneys. Maybe someone knows someone. Or maybe they'll > want to lend a hand. > > What a crock. Sounds like the judge is in on it, too. > Hey, guys, cool it. The justice system is poorly served by trials on the internet. Let the people who are involved sort this out in court in front of a judge. In a trial, or pretrial proceedings, the evidence can be presented and the judge can decide what it means. None of us have access to the evidence--just a bunch of hearsay, several times removed. This is how lynch mobs operate. Juries tend to be wise. If the evidence is shoddy, they won't convict. If the prosecutor is guilty of misconduct, there are provisions in most states for various forms of discipline. I have conducted enough trials to know that there is a big difference between what one side contends and what the evidence suggests the truth is, and you often don't know the real picture until all the evidence--both sides--has been presented. Certainly, e-mails and letters from a bunch of outsiders who have heard outrageous things on the internet isn't going to make much difference in how the case is handled. Chris Campbell >

The person who clearly killed that woman is not on trial. How can you say that the courts will deal with it? Here are some undisputed facts in this case. 1) There was a sailboat on a lake at night with no wind. 2) The owner of the sailboat went below and gave the tiller to his friend. 3) The powerboat was being driven directly into the lights across the lake at high speed 4) A power boat hit the sail boat with enough force to do this: http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/img_lectronic_800/2008-05-21_3964_Dinius%20159.jpg 5) A woman passenger on the boat was killed 6) The guy behind the tiller was charged in the death because he didn't insure that the running lights were on. 7) The people on the boat had been drinking and the guy behind the tiller had more to drink than would legally allow him to drive a car. 8) Everything I have read indicates that everyone familiar with the case, including statements by the family of the woman killed, thinks the powerboat operator should be charged with the killing and that the guy charged should be let go. These are facts. Not facts are: 1) The lights were off on the boat. 2) The powerboat operator was drunk. Number 1 is not a fact because different people say different things. Number 2 is not a fact because the police were ordered not to give a breath test to the driver of the speed boat. We are all boaters on this list. Who can say let the courts decide given the above? This guy could go to jail for 3 years just based on the facts. The law may not give room for them to do the right thing. Allen > Hey, guys, cool it. The justice system is poorly served by trials on the internet. Let the people who are involved sort this out in court in front of a judge. In a trial, or pretrial proceedings, the evidence can be presented and the judge can decide what it means. None of us have access to the evidence--just a bunch of hearsay, several times removed. This is how lynch mobs operate. Juries tend to be wise. If the evidence is shoddy, they won't convict. If the prosecutor is guilty of misconduct, there are provisions in most states for various forms of discipline. I have conducted enough trials to know that there is a big difference between what one side contends and what the evidence suggests the truth is, and you often don't know the real picture until all the evidence--both sides--has been presented. > > Certainly, e-mails and letters from a bunch of outsiders who have heard outrageous things on the internet isn't going to make much difference in how the case is handled. > > Chris Campbell > >

Allen Edwards wrote: > > > The person who clearly killed that woman is not on trial. How can you > say that the courts will deal with it? > > Here are some undisputed facts in this case. > So far as I know, none of us on this list were present at the scene and time of the event to witness it, so the facts seem not to be undisputed. We're all relying on somebody else's report. If there is prosecutorial misconduct, it is a proper concern for those persons who live and vote in the district the prosecutor serves, and also for the body that enforces lawyer's ethical obligations in the prosecutor's state. It's just not a good idea to get all worked up about events about which we have limited knowledge or information. We all deplore bad judgment of public officials and misadministration of justice, but most of us are simply too remote from the case to make useful judgments about the merits of it. I yield to no person in my animosity toward obnoxious power boaters or toward drunk drivers, both of whom have affected my life in adverse ways. But I'm always a bit skeptical of things we are asked to believe, on faith, and that's what most of us have to do here. Chris Campbell

Amen to you Wayne...........any chance of getting to another subject ? I believe it is the CAPTAIN of sailboats responsibility to be SOBER OR AT ANCHOR, if he was sober this would not be an issue. I am not surprised at all that the police will take care of there own-- and that same corruption goes right up the ladder. Steve "Runamuk" --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 5:48 AM All Cal Boaters: Jeez! I'm confused again. Is this the Cal Boats site? It is beginig to look more like a site for Psychotic Paranoid Rants. If I wanted to read this crap I would get on Rush's site. Am I alone in thinking that this foolishness needs to find another venue? Warmest Regards, Wayne From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:06:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Allen, I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted peanuts?) What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! Jerry --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM California government doesn't work. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> wrote: so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson From: Allen Edwards To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com> wrote: I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

The first statement was my opinion but as far as I know everything I listed as fact is agreed upon by both sides. You get stuck out in the middle of a lake on a windless night and your engine won't start. You go below leaving a friend by the tiller. Some drunk in a power boat doing 60 t-bones you and kills your other passenger. Your friend is arrested for killing the girl. Let the jury decide. Give me a break. Allen On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Chris Campbell<cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Allen Edwards wrote: > > > > The person who clearly killed that woman is not on trial. How can you > say that the courts will deal with it? > > Here are some undisputed facts in this case. > > > > > > So far as I know, none of us on this list were present at the scene and time > of the event to witness it, so the facts seem not to be undisputed. We're > all relying on somebody else's report. > > If there is prosecutorial misconduct, it is a proper concern for those > persons who live and vote in the district the prosecutor serves, and also > for the body that enforces lawyer's ethical obligations in the prosecutor's > state. > > It's just not a good idea to get all worked up about events about which we > have limited knowledge or information. We all deplore bad judgment of > public officials and misadministration of justice, but most of us are simply > too remote from the case to make useful judgments about the merits of it. > > I yield to no person in my animosity toward obnoxious power boaters or > toward drunk drivers, both of whom have affected my life in adverse ways. > But I'm always a bit skeptical of things we are asked to believe, on faith, > and that's what most of us have to do here. > > Chris Campbell > >

Bill Of Rights--- Ammendment the first--- It's ok with me! Mike Farrell --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 5:48 AM All Cal Boaters: Jeez! I'm confused again. Is this the Cal Boats site? It is beginig to look more like a site for Psychotic Paranoid Rants. If I wanted to read this crap I would get on Rush's site. Am I alone in thinking that this foolishness needs to find another venue? Warmest Regards, Wayne From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:06:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Allen, I agree California gov. doesn't work. But it used to work, California' schools used to be #1 in the nation, it's freeways, Jr. Colleges, Universities etc. used to be the envy of the nation. Not nomoe. I wunddah, wunddah, wunndah, why? It was a short time ago Califronia even had a budget surplus, under Grey Davis. What happened? We all know about Enron and their sleezy tricks. Grey Davis ended up trying to subsidize people's utility bills and used up all that 20 Billion dollar surplus, for that, he got impeached. (well that, and something else, maybe it was Hostages in Iran? too much salt in the salted peanuts?) What else? I think the whole Dept. of Boating and Waterways thingy just got wrecked like a smashed clay piggy bank, and I know the Goobernator was in favor of it. Now I'm not naming names, I'm just saying I've seen California go down the tubes like a train wreck in slow motion, after reaching it's height under Jerry's (they called him gov. moonbeam for advocating solar energy) Dad, was that Edmund Brown? And don't think I'm happy with Mayor Villa Gross yah. Anyone who takes campaign contributions form drug dealers and pardons them quid pro quo, ain't kosher in my book. Uh uh oh. I hope I didn't mention anything political. drat! Jerry --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:35 PM California government doesn't work. Allen On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> wrote: so after 15 trys and 15 busy I dont thik I can vote for gerry to be gov. but this is how Calif government works Dave Paulson From: Allen Edwards To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Why would you call the DA? He is the problem. Call Jerry Brown. Contact him from this web page: http://ag.ca. gov/contact. php Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Bob Connell <jollygoodolywa@ yahoo.com> wrote: I called as well Bruce, thanks for posting it. I am spreading his number around. Bob Connell --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <bruce@stirlinglaw. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:06 PM I just called the prosecutor's office and gave him our collective thoughts, basically telling him he was full of shit and that his decision not to go after the motorboat operator was disgusting, particularly when there were eye-witnesses and admissions from the operator himself. I accused him of not doing his duty and of playing politics. Here is his number. It is after hours, but the telephone recording machine is on: JON E. HOPKINS DISTRICT ATTORNEY 255 North Forbes St Lakeport, CA 95453 (707) 263-2251 Bruce Stirling On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lord Nougat <lord_nougat@ yahoo.com> wrote: Indeed! That is just what I was thinking, and you succinctly summed it up. This case is just so absurd, it disgusts me. From: Whirled Peas <whirledpeas333@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Shame on the Lake County District Attorney and Sheriff's Office. This case is preposterous. Prosecute the sheriff who was speeding recklessly and didn't submit to a breathalyzer test himself. Drunk reckless cops in uniform. They should also bring conspiracy charges against the sheriff's department itself. From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped Very little difference between the charge that remains and the one that was dropped. 3 years in prison for the one that remains vs 4 for the one dropped. There are many people who saw the running lights on according to what I have read. This should get on Dateline or 60 minutes. That would end it. Allen On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped

Wayne: Whoa. Wait a minute. You used crap" and Rush" in the same sentence?! Now you have alienated half the sailors here with one sentence. Let me suggest that if you are going to complain about politics, do not USE politics to complain. Otherwise, it would be like me saying something like "Barry is incredibly arrogant and self serving to think he can seize and run the American auto industry, our banking system, our insurance industry and now our health care system all in 180 days." However, I would NEVER say that! That would be political and not related to sailing. Speck... log…. own eye. You see what I'm saying….. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@...> wrote: > > All Cal Boaters: > > Jeez! I'm confused again. Is this the Cal Boats site? It is beginig to look more like a site for Psychotic Paranoid Rants. If I wanted to read this crap I would get on Rush's site. Am I alone in thinking that this foolishness needs to find another venue? > > Warmest Regards, > Wayne > > > <SNIP>

From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped and now whinning Wayne: Whoa. Wait a minute. You used crap" and Rush" in the same sentence?! Now you have alienated half the sailors here with one sentence. Let me suggest that if you are going to complain about politics, do not USE politics to complain. Otherwise, it would be like me saying something like "Barry is incredibly arrogant and self serving to think he can seize and run the American auto industry, our banking system, our insurance industry and now our health care system all in 180 days." However, I would NEVER say that! That would be political and not related to sailing. Speck... log…. own eye. You see what I'm saying….. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@...> wrote: > > All Cal Boaters: > > Jeez! I'm confused again. Is this the Cal Boats site? It is beginig to look more like a site for Psychotic Paranoid Rants. If I wanted to read this crap I would get on Rush's site. Am I alone in thinking that this foolishness needs to find another venue? > > Warmest Regards, > Wayne > > > <SNIP>

It's time once again to remind everyone that this is a list about sailing, and specifically about sailing Cal sailboats. Please leave the political topics at the door. As list moderator/owner, I've tried to let the list self-regulate, but on occasion, the need arises to remind everyone to please refrain from political discussions, flaming or belittling other members of the list or otherwise being "not nice" to each-other. In general, your posts should contain SAILING CONTENT! Cheers, Scott S. Cal 25#1651 Indefatigable Annapolis, MD Cal_Boats moderator

So you believe that Dinus Bismarck should stand trial? Horse puckey, I say. a miscarriage of justice. Chris Campbell wrote: > > > Allen Edwards wrote: >> >> >> The person who clearly killed that woman is not on trial. How can you >> say that the courts will deal with it? >> >> Here are some undisputed facts in this case. >> > > > > > > So far as I know, none of us on this list were present at the scene > and time of the event to witness it, so the facts seem not to be > undisputed. We're all relying on somebody else's report. > > If there is prosecutorial misconduct, it is a proper concern for those > persons who live and vote in the district the prosecutor serves, and > also for the body that enforces lawyer's ethical obligations in the > prosecutor's state. > > It's just not a good idea to get all worked up about events about > which we have limited knowledge or information. We all deplore bad > judgment of public officials and misadministration of justice, but > most of us are simply too remote from the case to make useful > judgments about the merits of it. > > I yield to no person in my animosity toward obnoxious power boaters or > toward drunk drivers, both of whom have affected my life in adverse > ways. But I'm always a bit skeptical of things we are asked to > believe, on faith, and that's what most of us have to do here. > > Chris Campbell > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

Does not the Dinus Bismarck case come under sailing? Scott Sauvageot wrote: > > > It's time once again to remind everyone that this is a list about > sailing, and specifically about sailing Cal sailboats. > > > > Please leave the political topics at the door. As list > moderator/owner, I've tried to let the list self-regulate, but on > occasion, the need arises to remind everyone to please refrain from > political discussions, flaming or belittling other members of the list > or otherwise being "not nice" to each-other. > > > > In general, your posts should contain SAILING CONTENT! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Scott S. > > Cal 25#1651 Indefatigable > > Annapolis, MD > > Cal_Boats moderator > > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

It is covered in detail in the local sailing rag http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2008-05-21&dayid=116 and more recently according to this article, http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2009-07-20&dayid=299, yacht clubs from around the country are hosting fund raisers for Dinus. Clearly many in the yachting community think this is sailing news. He wasn't, however, in a Cal boat. But all boaters, including Cal owners, should know that if you so much as touch the tiller of a drifting boat at night and get rammed by a power boat going 40 to 60 MPH and someone gets hurt, it might be your fault. And if you think this is the way it should be, just go sailing. Allen On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marsh Wise<ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > > Does not the Dinus Bismarck case come under sailing? > > Scott Sauvageot wrote: > > It’s time once again to remind everyone that this is a list about sailing, > and specifically about sailing Cal sailboats. > > > > Please leave the political topics at the door. As list moderator/owner, > I’ve tried to let the list self-regulate, but on occasion, the need arises > to remind everyone to please refrain from political discussions, flaming or > belittling other members of the list or otherwise being “not nice” to > each-other. > > > > In general, your posts should contain SAILING CONTENT! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Scott S. > > Cal 25#1651 Indefatigable > > Annapolis, MD > > Cal_Boats moderator > > > > -- > *´¨) > ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh > ----------------------------- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> > > Read my Blog (bore yourself): > <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> > > -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> > -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse > it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But > then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY > NOT? > Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right > now! > >

Dan, I'm glad you said "half the boaters". What about the other half? What is scary to me is loveable Barack Obama seems to be marching to the same orders as George Bush....with another Secretary of the Treasury an alumni of the same octopus, Goldman Sachs, and the Federal Reserve, that took our Treasury's treasure and used it to gobble up the entire financial system (banks, insurance, investments, manufacturing, oil and resources) of the United States and god knows what else? And what effect does this have on our ability to own and maintain our Cals? What can we do, to fight the good fight against government corruption, and save sailing? Jerry --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Dan <db… [at] easystreet.net> wrote: From: Dan <db… [at] easystreet.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Dinius Manslaughter Charge Dropped and now whinning To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 5:39 PM Wayne: Whoa. Wait a minute. You used crap" and Rush" in the same sentence?! Now you have alienated half the sailors here with one sentence. Let me suggest that if you are going to complain about politics, do not USE politics to complain. Otherwise, it would be like me saying something like "Barry is incredibly arrogant and self serving to think he can seize and run the American auto industry, our banking system, our insurance industry and now our health care system all in 180 days." However, I would NEVER say that! That would be political and not related to sailing. Speck... log…. own eye. You see what I'm saying….. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ ...> wrote: > > All Cal Boaters: > > Jeez! I'm confused again. Is this the Cal Boats site? It is beginig to look more like a site for Psychotic Paranoid Rants. If I wanted to read this crap I would get on Rush's site. Am I alone in thinking that this foolishness needs to find another venue? > > Warmest Regards, > Wayne > > > <SNIP>

Allen, I think now we have a clear appreciation of why our ancestors had sailing craft which were well armed with rows of heavy cannon. I'm thinking of doing some research into what kind of naval artillery we can choose that would defend ourselves from marauding drunken sheriff deputies. I'm leaning towards Navy surplus 40 mm anti aircraft batteries, you know, something that used to stop Japanese flying officers and their planes with just enough fuel to reach the target area (Kamikazes). I can't seem to find any chandlery that carries good old six pounder swivel guns. I don't think you can ram home cartridges and balls fast enough, aim and match light one of those pieces fast enough to stop a small PT boat that is attempting to ram you in the dark at 40 knots. I'm not worried about the legal ramifications (there's that root word popping up again, "ram" dag gum it) but protecting life and limb of my passangers, my Cal, and by golly, myself! After all, unintention man slaughter will kill you or your loved ones just as dead as intentional manslaughter, the kind I have to deal with daily amongst the sand crabs where I live in Lost Angle Lust. Ship to Ship or Air to Ship Guided Missiles. Now, why didn't I think of that before? I think I'll google Excocets, French, Military Surplus. There must be a depot in U.S. that carries obsolete ship to ship missiles as well.(Popular Science, look under "military surplus" in the classifieds) But I'm thinking, Laser Rays, or something more 21st century, like Disintegrator Guns...or...is that something left over in my brain from watching too many episodes of Captain Video as a precocious six year old? You young'uns wouldn't know Capt'n Video...unless you went on youtube. Jerry PS: OK. DECM. The mysterious word in the title. That's "Defensive Electronic Countermeasures" That's Naval Aviator Talk. Hey Allen, you're close to Silicon Valley. Get those unemployed electrical engineers to make us sailboaters a radar guided ray gun, won't you? --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Sailing content To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:38 PM It is covered in detail in the local sailing rag http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2008-05-21&dayid=116 and more recently according to this article, http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2009-07-20&dayid=299, yacht clubs from around the country are hosting fund raisers for Dinus. Clearly many in the yachting community think this is sailing news. He wasn't, however, in a Cal boat. But all boaters, including Cal owners, should know that if you so much as touch the tiller of a drifting boat at night and get rammed by a power boat going 40 to 60 MPH and someone gets hurt, it might be your fault. And if you think this is the way it should be, just go sailing. Allen On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marsh Wise<ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > > Does not the Dinus Bismarck case come under sailing? > >