Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen)

Cal 40 with a 3' shorter boom. The spinn poles are stock length Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri Jul 24 18:47:58 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) Timm, What kind of boat are they off of? Allen On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I do not know if it would be any help, but My old boom is sitting in the scrap pile at the Richmond Yacht Club in Point Richmond. It is not stock length, but it may have some redeeming hardware on it... If there was interest, you could talk with Richie there and take a look. I think there are also at least one of my old 6061-T6 aluminum spinnaker poles, probably two, just sitting there oxidizing. We replaced all the standing rigging in 2003 and got new carbon fiber poles. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) My boom was originally set up for roller reefing. At one time the fitting cracked (from rolling it) and I had it welded. The weld did not hold and that is the condition it is in now. It is hard to tell from the picture but the weld is more an issue with rolling it than with the strength as a gooseneck so I am not totally stupid leaving it the way it is. I have removed the ability of the thing to roll by replacing the pin with a bolt and that adds some strength. It may be very strong but it just looks like I should be careful. It doesn't look as strong as the booms and goosenecks on newer boats. See what you think Allen On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: > > > Allen, I note that you are very concerned about forces on the gooseneck.. Do > you have a bad experience to relate? > > dEmO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Allen Edwards > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems > > Mike, > > I never understood why anyone would take the sheet all the way to the mast > make this big trip hazard then go to the trouble of going below deck just to > bring it back aft to a winch instead of just doing what you have done. I > want to get the sheet to the cabin top so going along the boom is better. On > the other hand, it does introduce forces that you do not have to worry about > with what you have done. > > Allen > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Michael Robinson<mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mi… [at] hotmail.com>> > wrote: >> >> >> Hi Allen, >> I use them for both. Makes the set up very easy to use. BTW the vent >> you see in the photo is removed before sailing. It was there first and >> I didn't want to go to the trouble of filling the hole and moving a vent. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:26:02 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems(Allen) >> >> >> >> Mike, >> Thanks for the note. It looks like you use rope stoppers. Do you >> use them to share the winches or as the primary cleat or both? >> Allen >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Michael Robinson >> <mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mi… [at] hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> [Attachment(s) from Michael Robinson included below] >> >> Allen, >> I use the German Admirals Cup system too but it is led to secondaries >> in the cockpit in stead of back to the mast (less line). I like the >> set up for the same reasons Timm cited, especially less gobs of line. >> It works with trimmer behind helmsman our easy to reach for single >> handing. >> >> >> >> Mike Robinson >> Holiday >> Cal 36 # 4 >> Pt. Richmond >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:20:19 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >> >> >> >> Great reply, thanks. I was thinking a couple of things that led me to >> pick >> 4:1 instead of 2:1. With 4:1 I will be able to do most of the >> trimming without the winch and as I do most of my non racing >> essentially single handed or with inexperienced crew, this would be >> useful. Second and perhaps even more important in my mind is that it >> cuts the new loads on the boom and at the gooseneck. >> It looks like you bring the lines down to the cabin top from a bail >> just aft of the gooseneck. I guess you have no padeye at the vang >> given that it is a rigid vang so that was not an option. >> I am still trying to figure out what the loads are and how I can >> minimize them. >> Allen >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Although these pictures are @ 12 years old, California Girl uses the >> Admirals Cup Sheeting arrangement for the main. >> >> After 10 years of use, I would not use any other method. One nice >> feature is that the trimmer is forward out of the cockpit and trim for >> the car and sheet are available to the driver. >> >> We are simply 2:1 and use the cabin winch. The 2:1 is sufficient, and >> keeps me from having 120' of running rigging all over the cockpit when >> going to weather. >> >> I like less line, and less purchase - which keeps tangles down, and >> blocks free for running. >> >> The main car is adjusted using a Garhauer traveler, also with controls >> lead forward. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Allen Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:42 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >> >> >> I am going to change the mainsheet system on my L-36 and was wondering >> if anyone on the list has installed a similar system. My boom is end >> sheeted and I am thinking of taking both ends of the sheet forward >> along the boom, off the gooseneck or vang fitting, to standup blocks >> on the cabin top, and back to two cabin top winches I have that are >> not used for anything. Perhaps they were the main winches long ago but >> have since been replaced with a pair of Barient 22's, which were my >> primaries until they were replaced with some Andersen 46s. I am >> planning on 4:1 at the traveler. Not completely sure how to get the >> traveler control lines up to the cabin area. The only downside I can >> see it this puts a load down on the gooseneck that would not otherwise >> be there. I am wondering if anyone has either positive or negative >> things to say about this from their experiences with such a system. >> Also, what do people think about coming off the vang vs gooseneck and >> where to put the standup blocks. The old system is 5:1 with the sheet >> off the boom going to a horn cleat. Optionally it goes to a sole >> mounted swivel block and cam cleat. >> >> Allen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Windows LiveT SkyDriveT: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Thanks. That would make the spin poles 15.2 feet, too long for my boat but thanks! If I ever get to the point of taking my gooseneck off, it will be a simple matter to remove the roller fitting and change that out but I think for now I just won't add too much stress to it. Allen On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#122b3d41e81faba1_TopText> from > ti… [at] ch2m.com included below] > > Cal 40 with a 3' shorter boom. The spinn poles are stock length > > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Fri Jul 24 18:47:58 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) > > > > Timm, > > What kind of boat are they off of? > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com> > <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com <timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> wrote: > > > I do not know if it would be any help, but My old boom is sitting in the > scrap pile at the Richmond Yacht Club in Point Richmond. It is not stock > length, but it may have some redeeming hardware on it... If there was > interest, you could talk with Richie there and take a look. > > I think there are also at least one of my old 6061-T6 aluminum spinnaker > poles, probably two, just sitting there oxidizing. We replaced all the > standing rigging in 2003 and got new carbon fiber poles. > > dEmO > > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On Behalf Of > Allen Edwards > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:53 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) > > > > My boom was originally set up for roller reefing. At one time the fitting > cracked (from rolling it) and I had it welded. The weld did not hold and > that is the condition it is in now. It is hard to tell from the picture but > the weld is more an issue with rolling it than with the strength as a > gooseneck so I am not totally stupid leaving it the way it is. I have > removed the ability of the thing to roll by replacing the pin with a bolt > and that adds some strength. It may be very strong but it just looks like I > should be careful. It doesn't look as strong as the booms and goosenecks on > newer boats. > > See what you think > > > > Allen > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com> > <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com <timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Allen, I note that you are very concerned about forces on the gooseneck.. > Do > > you have a bad experience to relate? > > > > dEmO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On Behalf > > Of Allen Edwards > > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:23 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems > > > > Mike, > > > > I never understood why anyone would take the sheet all the way to the > mast > > make this big trip hazard then go to the trouble of going below deck just > to > > bring it back aft to a winch instead of just doing what you have done. I > > want to get the sheet to the cabin top so going along the boom is better. > On > > the other hand, it does introduce forces that you do not have to worry > about > > with what you have done. > > > > Allen > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Michael Robinson< > mi… [at] hotmail.com <mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com><mailto: > mi… [at] hotmail.com <mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com>>> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi Allen, > >> I use them for both. Makes the set up very easy to use. BTW the vent > >> you see in the photo is removed before sailing. It was there first and > >> I didn't want to go to the trouble of filling the hole and moving a > vent. > >> > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com<allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:26:02 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems(Allen) > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike, > >> Thanks for the note. It looks like you use rope stoppers. Do you > >> use them to share the winches or as the primary cleat or both? > >> Allen > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Michael Robinson > >> <mi… [at] hotmail.com <mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com><mailto: > mi… [at] hotmail.com <mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> [Attachment(s) from Michael Robinson included below] > >> > >> Allen, > >> I use the German Admirals Cup system too but it is led to secondaries > >> in the cockpit in stead of back to the mast (less line). I like the > >> set up for the same reasons Timm cited, especially less gobs of line. > >> It works with trimmer behind helmsman our easy to reach for single > >> handing. > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike Robinson > >> Holiday > >> Cal 36 # 4 > >> Pt. Richmond > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com<allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:20:19 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems > >> > >> > >> > >> Great reply, thanks. I was thinking a couple of things that led me to > >> pick > >> 4:1 instead of 2:1. With 4:1 I will be able to do most of the > >> trimming without the winch and as I do most of my non racing > >> essentially single handed or with inexperienced crew, this would be > >> useful. Second and perhaps even more important in my mind is that it > >> cuts the new loads on the boom and at the gooseneck. > >> It looks like you bring the lines down to the cabin top from a bail > >> just aft of the gooseneck. I guess you have no padeye at the vang > >> given that it is a rigid vang so that was not an option. > >> I am still trying to figure out what the loads are and how I can > >> minimize them. > >> Allen > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com> > <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com <timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Although these pictures are @ 12 years old, California Girl uses the > >> Admirals Cup Sheeting arrangement for the main. > >> > >> After 10 years of use, I would not use any other method. One nice > >> feature is that the trimmer is forward out of the cockpit and trim for > >> the car and sheet are available to the driver. > >> > >> We are simply 2:1 and use the cabin winch. The 2:1 is sufficient, and > >> keeps me from having 120' of running rigging all over the cockpit when > >> going to weather. > >> > >> I like less line, and less purchase - which keeps tangles down, and > >> blocks free for running. > >> > >> The main car is adjusted using a Garhauer traveler, also with controls > >> lead forward. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On > >> Behalf Of Allen Edwards > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:42 PM > >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems > >> > >> > >> I am going to change the mainsheet system on my L-36 and was wondering > >> if anyone on the list has installed a similar system. My boom is end > >> sheeted and I am thinking of taking both ends of the sheet forward > >> along the boom, off the gooseneck or vang fitting, to standup blocks > >> on the cabin top, and back to two cabin top winches I have that are > >> not used for anything. Perhaps they were the main winches long ago but > >> have since been replaced with a pair of Barient 22's, which were my > >> primaries until they were replaced with some Andersen 46s. I am > >> planning on 4:1 at the traveler. Not completely sure how to get the > >> traveler control lines up to the cabin area. The only downside I can > >> see it this puts a load down on the gooseneck that would not otherwise > >> be there. I am wondering if anyone has either positive or negative > >> things to say about this from their experiences with such a system. > >> Also, what do people think about coming off the vang vs gooseneck and > >> where to put the standup blocks. The old system is 5:1 with the sheet > >> off the boom going to a horn cleat. Optionally it goes to a sole > >> mounted swivel block and cam cleat. > >> > >> Allen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Windows LiveT SkyDriveT: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

They are made of alum tube w/ends held on by 4 sheet metal screws. A very simple job to shorten. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat Jul 25 18:49:48 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) Thanks. That would make the spin poles 15.2 feet, too long for my boat but thanks! If I ever get to the point of taking my gooseneck off, it will be a simple matter to remove the roller fitting and change that out but I think for now I just won't add too much stress to it. Allen On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: [Attachment(s) from ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> included below] Cal 40 with a 3' shorter boom. The spinn poles are stock length Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Fri Jul 24 18:47:58 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) Timm, What kind of boat are they off of? Allen On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com><mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> wrote: I do not know if it would be any help, but My old boom is sitting in the scrap pile at the Richmond Yacht Club in Point Richmond. It is not stock length, but it may have some redeeming hardware on it... If there was interest, you could talk with Richie there and take a look. I think there are also at least one of my old 6061-T6 aluminum spinnaker poles, probably two, just sitting there oxidizing. We replaced all the standing rigging in 2003 and got new carbon fiber poles. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) My boom was originally set up for roller reefing. At one time the fitting cracked (from rolling it) and I had it welded. The weld did not hold and that is the condition it is in now. It is hard to tell from the picture but the weld is more an issue with rolling it than with the strength as a gooseneck so I am not totally stupid leaving it the way it is. I have removed the ability of the thing to roll by replacing the pin with a bolt and that adds some strength. It may be very strong but it just looks like I should be careful. It doesn't look as strong as the booms and goosenecks on newer boats. See what you think Allen On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com><mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> wrote: > > > Allen, I note that you are very concerned about forces on the gooseneck.. Do > you have a bad experience to relate? > > dEmO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On Behalf > Of Allen Edwards > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems > > Mike, > > I never understood why anyone would take the sheet all the way to the mast > make this big trip hazard then go to the trouble of going below deck just to > bring it back aft to a winch instead of just doing what you have done. I > want to get the sheet to the cabin top so going along the boom is better. On > the other hand, it does introduce forces that you do not have to worry about > with what you have done. > > Allen > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Michael Robinson<mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com><mailto:mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com>>> > wrote: >> >> >> Hi Allen, >> I use them for both. Makes the set up very easy to use. BTW the vent >> you see in the photo is removed before sailing. It was there first and >> I didn't want to go to the trouble of filling the hole and moving a vent. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >> From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com<mailto:allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:26:02 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems(Allen) >> >> >> >> Mike, >> Thanks for the note. It looks like you use rope stoppers. Do you >> use them to share the winches or as the primary cleat or both? >> Allen >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Michael Robinson >> <mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com><mailto:mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> >> [Attachment(s) from Michael Robinson included below] >> >> Allen, >> I use the German Admirals Cup system too but it is led to secondaries >> in the cockpit in stead of back to the mast (less line). I like the >> set up for the same reasons Timm cited, especially less gobs of line. >> It works with trimmer behind helmsman our easy to reach for single >> handing. >> >> >> >> Mike Robinson >> Holiday >> Cal 36 # 4 >> Pt. Richmond >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >> From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com<mailto:allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:20:19 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >> >> >> >> Great reply, thanks. I was thinking a couple of things that led me to >> pick >> 4:1 instead of 2:1. With 4:1 I will be able to do most of the >> trimming without the winch and as I do most of my non racing >> essentially single handed or with inexperienced crew, this would be >> useful. Second and perhaps even more important in my mind is that it >> cuts the new loads on the boom and at the gooseneck. >> It looks like you bring the lines down to the cabin top from a bail >> just aft of the gooseneck. I guess you have no padeye at the vang >> given that it is a rigid vang so that was not an option. >> I am still trying to figure out what the loads are and how I can >> minimize them. >> Allen >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com><mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> wrote: >> >> >> Although these pictures are @ 12 years old, California Girl uses the >> Admirals Cup Sheeting arrangement for the main. >> >> After 10 years of use, I would not use any other method. One nice >> feature is that the trimmer is forward out of the cockpit and trim for >> the car and sheet are available to the driver. >> >> We are simply 2:1 and use the cabin winch. The 2:1 is sufficient, and >> keeps me from having 120' of running rigging all over the cockpit when >> going to weather. >> >> I like less line, and less purchase - which keeps tangles down, and >> blocks free for running. >> >> The main car is adjusted using a Garhauer traveler, also with controls >> lead forward. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On >> Behalf Of Allen Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:42 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >> >> >> I am going to change the mainsheet system on my L-36 and was wondering >> if anyone on the list has installed a similar system. My boom is end >> sheeted and I am thinking of taking both ends of the sheet forward >> along the boom, off the gooseneck or vang fitting, to standup blocks >> on the cabin top, and back to two cabin top winches I have that are >> not used for anything. Perhaps they were the main winches long ago but >> have since been replaced with a pair of Barient 22's, which were my >> primaries until they were replaced with some Andersen 46s. I am >> planning on 4:1 at the traveler. Not completely sure how to get the >> traveler control lines up to the cabin area. The only downside I can >> see it this puts a load down on the gooseneck that would not otherwise >> be there. I am wondering if anyone has either positive or negative >> things to say about this from their experiences with such a system. >> Also, what do people think about coming off the vang vs gooseneck and >> where to put the standup blocks. The old system is 5:1 with the sheet >> off the boom going to a horn cleat. Optionally it goes to a sole >> mounted swivel block and cam cleat. >> >> Allen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Windows LiveT SkyDriveT: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > >

This is a very nice offer and I will follow up early next week. Your email indicated that there was an attachment but I could not see it. I tried 3 browsers. If there is an attachement, I don't know what I am doing wrong. Allen On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from ti… [at] ch2m.com included below] > > They are made of alum tube w/ends held on by 4 sheet metal screws. A very > simple job to shorten. > > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat Jul 25 18:49:48 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) > > > > Thanks. That would make the spin poles 15.2 feet, too long for my boat but > thanks! > > If I ever get to the point of taking my gooseneck off, it will be a simple > matter to remove the roller fitting and change that out but I think for now > I just won't add too much stress to it. > > Allen > > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM, > <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from > ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> included below] > > > Cal 40 with a 3' shorter boom. The spinn poles are stock length > > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Fri Jul 24 18:47:58 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) > > > > Timm, > > What kind of boat are they off of? > > Allen > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM, > <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com><mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> > wrote: > > > I do not know if it would be any help, but My old boom is sitting in the > scrap pile at the Richmond Yacht Club in Point Richmond. It is not stock > length, but it may have some redeeming hardware on it... If there was > interest, you could talk with Richie there and take a look. > > I think there are also at least one of my old 6061-T6 aluminum spinnaker > poles, probably two, just sitting there oxidizing. We replaced all the > standing rigging in 2003 and got new carbon fiber poles. > > dEmO > > > ________________________________ > From: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Allen Edwards > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:53 PM > > To: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems (Allen) > > > > My boom was originally set up for roller reefing. At one time the fitting > cracked (from rolling it) and I had it welded. The weld did not hold and > that is the condition it is in now. It is hard to tell from the picture but > the weld is more an issue with rolling it than with the strength as a > gooseneck so I am not totally stupid leaving it the way it is. I have > removed the ability of the thing to roll by replacing the pin with a bolt > and that adds some strength. It may be very strong but it just looks like I > should be careful. It doesn't look as strong as the booms and goosenecks on > newer boats. > > See what you think > > > > Allen > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, > <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com><mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> > wrote: >> >> >> Allen, I note that you are very concerned about forces on the gooseneck.. >> Do >> you have a bad experience to relate? >> >> dEmO >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] >> On Behalf >> Of Allen Edwards >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:23 PM >> To: >> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >> >> Mike, >> >> I never understood why anyone would take the sheet all the way to the mast >> make this big trip hazard then go to the trouble of going below deck just >> to >> bring it back aft to a winch instead of just doing what you have done. I >> want to get the sheet to the cabin top so going along the boom is better. >> On >> the other hand, it does introduce forces that you do not have to worry >> about >> with what you have done. >> >> Allen >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Michael >> Robinson<mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com><mailto:mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com>>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Allen, >>> I use them for both. Makes the set up very easy to use. BTW the vent >>> you see in the photo is removed before sailing. It was there first and >>> I didn't want to go to the trouble of filling the hole and moving a vent. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> To: >>> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >>> From: >>> al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com<mailto:allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:26:02 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems(Allen) >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> Thanks for the note. It looks like you use rope stoppers. Do you >>> use them to share the winches or as the primary cleat or both? >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Michael Robinson >>> >>> <mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com><mailto:mi… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:mikesrobinson%40hotmail.com>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> [Attachment(s) from Michael Robinson included below] >>> >>> Allen, >>> I use the German Admirals Cup system too but it is led to secondaries >>> in the cockpit in stead of back to the mast (less line). I like the >>> set up for the same reasons Timm cited, especially less gobs of line. >>> It works with trimmer behind helmsman our easy to reach for single >>> handing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike Robinson >>> Holiday >>> Cal 36 # 4 >>> Pt. Richmond >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> To: >>> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >>> From: >>> al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com<mailto:allen.edwards%40PaloAltoPhoto.com> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:20:19 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >>> >>> >>> >>> Great reply, thanks. I was thinking a couple of things that led me to >>> pick >>> 4:1 instead of 2:1. With 4:1 I will be able to do most of the >>> trimming without the winch and as I do most of my non racing >>> essentially single handed or with inexperienced crew, this would be >>> useful. Second and perhaps even more important in my mind is that it >>> cuts the new loads on the boom and at the gooseneck. >>> It looks like you bring the lines down to the cabin top from a bail >>> just aft of the gooseneck. I guess you have no padeye at the vang >>> given that it is a rigid vang so that was not an option. >>> I am still trying to figure out what the loads are and how I can >>> minimize them. >>> Allen >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, >>> <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com><mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:timmothy.lessley%40ch2m.com>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Although these pictures are @ 12 years old, California Girl uses the >>> Admirals Cup Sheeting arrangement for the main. >>> >>> After 10 years of use, I would not use any other method. One nice >>> feature is that the trimmer is forward out of the cockpit and trim for >>> the car and sheet are available to the driver. >>> >>> We are simply 2:1 and use the cabin winch. The 2:1 is sufficient, and >>> keeps me from having 120' of running rigging all over the cockpit when >>> going to weather. >>> >>> I like less line, and less purchase - which keeps tangles down, and >>> blocks free for running. >>> >>> The main car is adjusted using a Garhauer traveler, also with controls >>> lead forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: >>> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Allen Edwards >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:42 PM >>> To: >>> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> >>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsheet systems >>> >>> >>> I am going to change the mainsheet system on my L-36 and was wondering >>> if anyone on the list has installed a similar system. My boom is end >>> sheeted and I am thinking of taking both ends of the sheet forward >>> along the boom, off the gooseneck or vang fitting, to standup blocks >>> on the cabin top, and back to two cabin top winches I have that are >>> not used for anything. Perhaps they were the main winches long ago but >>> have since been replaced with a pair of Barient 22's, which were my >>> primaries until they were replaced with some Andersen 46s. I am >>> planning on 4:1 at the traveler. Not completely sure how to get the >>> traveler control lines up to the cabin area. The only downside I can >>> see it this puts a load down on the gooseneck that would not otherwise >>> be there. I am wondering if anyone has either positive or negative >>> things to say about this from their experiences with such a system. >>> Also, what do people think about coming off the vang vs gooseneck and >>> where to put the standup blocks. The old system is 5:1 with the sheet >>> off the boom going to a horn cleat. Optionally it goes to a sole >>> mounted swivel block and cam cleat. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Windows LiveT SkyDriveT: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > > > > > > > >