Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem

My yanmar is probably too old to be of any useful information, but as best I can tell there are no interlocks with the starter. It may have to be in neutral, though. IfAs to the original problem, I'm guessing the prop unloaded, either lost one or more blades, came off, the shaft broke, the coupling failed or something in the transmission. If the problem is the transmission, and there is a neutral interlock, maybe that's the problem. You say the engine spins freely by hand. Does that mean with the compression release engaged? Otherwise, that's a bad thing, right? Al --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 9:19 AM Hi, All. Got this note from a CAL 25 sailing buddy. Was wondering if there is any wisdom or experience with the problem. OK, OK. It is a J boat, but I try not to hold that against him. After all, it is a delivery. Many Thanks Charlie From: john pytlak [mailto:jrpytlak@yahoo. com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Yanmar problem Hey all, Sorry for bugging ya'll. Just an FYI, I'm sending this to everyone I know that has touched a boat. Pat and I ran into some engine issues this weekend. Here's what I posted on Sailing Anarchy. Thanks for any help you might have!! John "So, I'm moving a J105 from Burlington, VT to Plattsburgh, NY on Sat. Breeze shits out and we fire up the engine. We're motoring along at 3/4 throttle (2700 RPM) for about 45-60 minutes when all of a sudden the engine redlines for no reason. I pull the fuel shut off within 3 seconds. As I do so there's black smoke out the exhaust. Now it won't even attempt to start. Starter won't spin. Not even the starter solenoid. Any thoughts? I was thinking I burned up an impeller as there is no H2o in the raw wawa sight glass and the engine seemed really hot. But that doesn't explain why it won't start now. Engine still spins freely when I manualy turn it over by hand at the crank. A neighboring owner said he thought injection pump. That wouldn't explain the no starter spin either...... .. Is there some sort of an engine electronic shut off relay to make sure a retard doesn't restart an overheated engine? That's all I can think of........ Oh, and no warning buzzers or anything came on before the redline and smoke. If I can't figure this out on my own, does anyone know of a trusted mechanic on Lake Champlain? The owner says just get it taken care of, and he'll pay. I want it fixed right, but don't wanna hit him hard with a knarley bill. Any thoughts would be awesome! Thanks ahead of time"

If the engine turns over by hand it is not"locked up" It will start if it has reasonable compression, fuel and air. If it has a stuck compression release, clear that . Smoke is normal when an engine overspeeds so I would not worry about that. Diesels have a speed governer to prevent excessive rpm. Supply 12v to the starter in any way that will spin the engine and if the compression is ok determine if the injectors are supplying fuel. some engines have a mechanical or electric fuel cut off. that is what stops a diesel. Good suggestion to check prop and drive to determine what caused the engine to run away in the first place. My Best, Mike --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Al Waschka <aw… [at] bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Al Waschka <aw… [at] bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: jr… [at] yahoo.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:34 AM My yanmar is probably too old to be of any useful information, but as best I can tell there are no interlocks with the starter. It may have to be in neutral, though. IfAs to the original problem, I'm guessing the prop unloaded, either lost one or more blades, came off, the shaft broke, the coupling failed or something in the transmission. If the problem is the transmission, and there is a neutral interlock, maybe that's the problem. You say the engine spins freely by hand. Does that mean with the compression release engaged? Otherwise, that's a bad thing, right? Al --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 9:19 AM Hi, All. Got this note from a CAL 25 sailing buddy. Was wondering if there is any wisdom or experience with the problem. OK, OK. It is a J boat, but I try not to hold that against him. After all, it is a delivery. Many Thanks Charlie From: john pytlak [mailto:jrpytlak@yahoo. com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Yanmar problem Hey all, Sorry for bugging ya'll. Just an FYI, I'm sending this to everyone I know that has touched a boat. Pat and I ran into some engine issues this weekend. Here's what I posted on Sailing Anarchy. Thanks for any help you might have!! John "So, I'm moving a J105 from Burlington, VT to Plattsburgh, NY on Sat. Breeze shits out and we fire up the engine. We're motoring along at 3/4 throttle (2700 RPM) for about 45-60 minutes when all of a sudden the engine redlines for no reason. I pull the fuel shut off within 3 seconds. As I do so there's black smoke out the exhaust. Now it won't even attempt to start. Starter won't spin. Not even the starter solenoid. Any thoughts? I was thinking I burned up an impeller as there is no H2o in the raw wawa sight glass and the engine seemed really hot. But that doesn't explain why it won't start now. Engine still spins freely when I manualy turn it over by hand at the crank. A neighboring owner said he thought injection pump. That wouldn't explain the no starter spin either...... .. Is there some sort of an engine electronic shut off relay to make sure a retard doesn't restart an overheated engine? That's all I can think of........ Oh, and no warning buzzers or anything came on before the redline and smoke. If I can't figure this out on my own, does anyone know of a trusted mechanic on Lake Champlain? The owner says just get it taken care of, and he'll pay. I want it fixed right, but don't wanna hit him hard with a knarley bill. Any thoughts would be awesome! Thanks ahead of time"

My friend also notes that the starter will not kick, not even the solenoid. Would appear to some kind electrical switch that prevents the starting process from even starting. Unfortunately, these can be unique to any different installation. Many thanks for suggestions. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike farrell Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:50 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem If the engine turns over by hand it is not"locked up" It will start if it has reasonable compression, fuel and air. If it has a stuck compression release, clear that . Smoke is normal when an engine overspeeds so I would not worry about that. Diesels have a speed governer to prevent excessive rpm. Supply 12v to the starter in any way that will spin the engine and if the compression is ok determine if the injectors are supplying fuel. some engines have a mechanical or electric fuel cut off. that is what stops a diesel. Good suggestion to check prop and drive to determine what caused the engine to run away in the first place. My Best, Mike --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Al Waschka <aw… [at] bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Al Waschka <aw… [at] bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: jr… [at] yahoo.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:34 AM My yanmar is probably too old to be of any useful information, but as best I can tell there are no interlocks with the starter. It may have to be in neutral, though. IfAs to the original problem, I'm guessing the prop unloaded, either lost one or more blades, came off, the shaft broke, the coupling failed or something in the transmission. If the problem is the transmission, and there is a neutral interlock, maybe that's the problem. You say the engine spins freely by hand. Does that mean with the compression release engaged? Otherwise, that's a bad thing, right? Al --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 9:19 AM Hi, All. Got this note from a CAL 25 sailing buddy. Was wondering if there is any wisdom or experience with the problem. OK, OK. It is a J boat, but I try not to hold that against him. After all, it is a delivery. Many Thanks Charlie From: john pytlak [mailto:jrpytlak@yahoo. com<http://us.mc1806.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jrpytlak%40yahoo.com>] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Yanmar problem Hey all, Sorry for bugging ya'll. Just an FYI, I'm sending this to everyone I know that has touched a boat. Pat and I ran into some engine issues this weekend. Here's what I posted on Sailing Anarchy. Thanks for any help you might have!! John "So, I'm moving a J105 from Burlington, VT to Plattsburgh, NY on Sat. Breeze shits out and we fire up the engine. We're motoring along at 3/4 throttle (2700 RPM) for about 45-60 minutes when all of a sudden the engine redlines for no reason. I pull the fuel shut off within 3 seconds. As I do so there's black smoke out the exhaust. Now it won't even attempt to start. Starter won't spin. Not even the starter solenoid. Any thoughts? I was thinking I burned up an impeller as there is no H2o in the raw wawa sight glass and the engine seemed really hot. But that doesn't explain why it won't start now. Engine still spins freely when I manualy turn it over by hand at the crank. A neighboring owner said he thought injection pump. That wouldn't explain the no starter spin either...... .. Is there some sort of an engine electronic shut off relay to make sure a retard doesn't restart an overheated engine? That's all I can think of........ Oh, and no warning buzzers or anything came on before the redline and smoke. If I can't figure this out on my own, does anyone know of a trusted mechanic on Lake Champlain? The owner says just get it taken care of, and he'll pay. I want it fixed right, but don't wanna hit him hard with a knarley bill. Any thoughts would be awesome! Thanks ahead of time"

Charlie If I was trouble-shooting this problem. I would make sure the engine had oil. Jump the starter solenoid. Small terminal to large one. Does it crank? This might be some electrical failure? Unfortunatety later engines require power to keep running. I'm having trouble with the increase in RPM. We could guess all day. I seen large engines suck their own engine oil and run away. I would start with "Is there power to the engine" Chuck Second Fiddle Beta 25 hp --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:59 AM My friend also notes that the starter will not kick, not even the solenoid. Would appear to some kind electrical switch that prevents the starting process from even starting. Unfortunately, these can be unique to any different installation. Many thanks for suggestions. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of mike farrell Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:50 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem If the engine turns over by hand it is not"locked up" It will start if it has reasonable compression, fuel and air. If it has a stuck compression release, clear that . Smoke is normal when an engine overspeeds so I would not worry about that. Diesels have a speed governer to prevent excessive rpm. Supply 12v to the starter in any way that will spin the engine and if the compression is ok determine if the injectors are supplying fuel. some engines have a mechanical or electric fuel cut off. that is what stops a diesel. Good suggestion to check prop and drive to determine what caused the engine to run away in the first place. My Best, Mike --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Al Waschka <awaschka@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Al Waschka <awaschka@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Cc: jrpytlak@yahoo. com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:34 AM My yanmar is probably too old to be of any useful information, but as best I can tell there are no interlocks with the starter. It may have to be in neutral, though. IfAs to the original problem, I'm guessing the prop unloaded, either lost one or more blades, came off, the shaft broke, the coupling failed or something in the transmission. If the problem is the transmission, and there is a neutral interlock, maybe that's the problem. You say the engine spins freely by hand. Does that mean with the compression release engaged? Otherwise, that's a bad thing, right? Al --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] FW: Yanmar problem To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 9:19 AM Hi, All. Got this note from a CAL 25 sailing buddy. Was wondering if there is any wisdom or experience with the problem. OK, OK. It is a J boat, but I try not to hold that against him. After all, it is a delivery. Many Thanks Charlie From: john pytlak [mailto:jrpytlak@yahoo. com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Yanmar problem Hey all, Sorry for bugging ya'll. Just an FYI, I'm sending this to everyone I know that has touched a boat. Pat and I ran into some engine issues this weekend. Here's what I posted on Sailing Anarchy. Thanks for any help you might have!! John "So, I'm moving a J105 from Burlington, VT to Plattsburgh, NY on Sat. Breeze shits out and we fire up the engine. We're motoring along at 3/4 throttle (2700 RPM) for about 45-60 minutes when all of a sudden the engine redlines for no reason. I pull the fuel shut off within 3 seconds. As I do so there's black smoke out the exhaust. Now it won't even attempt to start. Starter won't spin. Not even the starter solenoid. Any thoughts? I was thinking I burned up an impeller as there is no H2o in the raw wawa sight glass and the engine seemed really hot. But that doesn't explain why it won't start now. Engine still spins freely when I manualy turn it over by hand at the crank. A neighboring owner said he thought injection pump. That wouldn't explain the no starter spin either...... .. Is there some sort of an engine electronic shut off relay to make sure a retard doesn't restart an overheated engine? That's all I can think of........ Oh, and no warning buzzers or anything came on before the redline and smoke. If I can't figure this out on my own, does anyone know of a trusted mechanic on Lake Champlain? The owner says just get it taken care of, and he'll pay. I want it fixed right, but don't wanna hit him hard with a knarley bill. Any thoughts would be awesome! Thanks ahead of time"