Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie)

You might investigate putting your lower slugs on a jack line, then you would not have to remove them when reefing. dEmO Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat Aug 01 07:44:40 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) David, I sail a Cal 20, Rambler hull #1114 on SF Bay and I sail with my wife ,novice crew, guests, and singlehanded. I use slab or jiffy reefing. I have slugs on my mainsail so they have to be removed to reef. I have eliminated the lower 2 slugs( spaced 20 inches apart) I now have 1 slug to remove. I use the cunningham to hold the reef tack. I could increase the length of that cunningham tackle and reef by lettind the main halliard down and take up on the cunningham/reef tack, tackle. If I removed the last slug this will be easier. I have at times shook the reef out and not replaced that slug. Main halliard tension keeps the luff in position and I really dont seem to have poor sail shape without the slugs in the luff rope groove. I sailed a Hinckley Pilot 35 for 17 years on SF Bay. I had a Proctor spar with slides on the msat in a channel. I had 2 gates to remove the slides for reefing. one gate near the boom and another about 2 feet up the luff. Removing or replacing the slides was a simple job with the 2 gates. Reef early before you need to. I will start a race on the city front in windy conditions with a reef(about 20% reduction) Even tho I could sail pretty well without it. A reef keeps the boat on her feet so I dont have to play the main sheet so much and it makes the boat so much more easy to control. I can duck into a great position on the line and have better control because I am not on the edge of being overpowered, A Cal 20 needs to be sailed on her feet (not more than 18 degrees of heel) My Best, Mike Farrell --- On Fri, 7/31/09, DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> wrote: From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:49 PM The advantage of a reefing hook on a dedicated line is that you can adjust the length of the tack line to match the height of the reefing tack cringle and then you don't have to remove the stop. ?? Wilkie On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:16 PM, david dobbs wrote: David, What i was trying to say is that my reef tack cringle is above the sail track stop. If you reef at the dock, just remove the stop, let the 3 or 4 slides fall out, replace the stop and go sailing. On the water it's not so easy. I sail with novices, and trying to do a reef on the water is probably not going to happen. I will likely drop the main and use the jib or the iron genny. Any better ideas? Regards, David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> wrote: From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:47 PM I "froze" the boom on my 2-29 to make reefing easier and also to facilitate a rigid boom vang. I have been very happy since. Wilkie On Jul 30, 2009, at 6:18 PM, markalan05 wrote: I have an issue with reefing brought back to cabin top winch. Specifically, when I reef, the boom twists and the reef line binds on the turning blocks on the boom. I was wondering if the outhaul line some how is lead to a block at the bottom of the boom instead of the side of the boom, the line should pull the boom straight down to the mast step and solve the binding. Is there a clean way to rig this from the side to the bottom of the boom. Should I weld the SS stud to the boom to eliminate the boom rotation? Any thoughts on to do this?

Guys, Thanks for all the sugestions, I think I will ask my sailmaker to advise me what is best. I'll keep you posted. David Dobbs Cal29 411 --- On Sat, 8/1/09, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) [1 Attachment] To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 8:56 AM [Attachment(s) from ti… [at] ch2m.com included below] You might investigate putting your lower slugs on a jack line, then you would not have to remove them when reefing. dEmO Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Sat Aug 01 07:44:40 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) David, I sail a Cal 20, Rambler hull #1114 on SF Bay and I sail with my wife ,novice crew, guests, and singlehanded. I use slab or jiffy reefing. I have slugs on my mainsail so they have to be removed to reef. I have eliminated the lower 2 slugs( spaced 20 inches apart) I now have 1 slug to remove. I use the cunningham to hold the reef tack. I could increase the length of that cunningham tackle and reef by lettind the main halliard down and take up on the cunningham/reef tack, tackle. If I removed the last slug this will be easier. I have at times shook the reef out and not replaced that slug. Main halliard tension keeps the luff in position and I really dont seem to have poor sail shape without the slugs in the luff rope groove. I sailed a Hinckley Pilot 35 for 17 years on SF Bay. I had a Proctor spar with slides on the msat in a channel. I had 2 gates to remove the slides for reefing. one gate near the boom and another about 2 feet up the luff. Removing or replacing the slides was a simple job with the 2 gates. Reef early before you need to. I will start a race on the city front in windy conditions with a reef(about 20% reduction) Even tho I could sail pretty well without it. A reef keeps the boat on her feet so I dont have to play the main sheet so much and it makes the boat so much more easy to control. I can duck into a great position on the line and have better control because I am not on the edge of being overpowered, A Cal 20 needs to be sailed on her feet (not more than 18 degrees of heel) My Best, Mike Farrell --- On Fri, 7/31/09, DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> wrote: From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:49 PM The advantage of a reefing hook on a dedicated line is that you can adjust the length of the tack line to match the height of the reefing tack cringle and then you don't have to remove the stop. ?? Wilkie On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:16 PM, david dobbs wrote: David, What i was trying to say is that my reef tack cringle is above the sail track stop. If you reef at the dock, just remove the stop, let the 3 or 4 slides fall out, replace the stop and go sailing. On the water it's not so easy. I sail with novices, and trying to do a reef on the water is probably not going to happen. I will likely drop the main and use the jib or the iron genny. Any better ideas? Regards, David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasai l ing.com> wrote: From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasai l ing.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:47 PM I "froze" the boom on my 2-29 to make reefing easier and also to facilitate a rigid boom vang. I have been very happy since. Wilkie On Jul 30, 2009, at 6:18 PM, markalan05 wrote: I have an issue with reefing brought back to cabin top winch. Specifically, when I reef, the boom twists and the reef line binds on the turning blocks on the boom. I was wondering if the outhaul line some how is lead to a block at the bottom of the boom instead of the side of the boom, the line should pull the boom straight down to the mast step and solve the binding. Is there a clean way to rig this from the side to the bottom of the boom. Should I weld the SS stud to the boom to eliminate the boom rotation? Any thoughts on to do this?

On the emails I want to read I just reply or forward then delete the box. After reading close without saving. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu Aug 06 22:38:33 2009 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > my text is broken by continuing through the recent activity column > highlighted in light blue. This has been happening for a while. For me too and it is annoying. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DavidOwen > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) > > > > > > Encouraging words, Mike. Now I have to print this out for the > Admiral. She's been a supportive (Saint?) wife considering she > doesn't share my passion for sailing at all. She actually has a > working knowledge from campaigning a Rhodes 19 with her dad growing > up, but she gets very cold and very seasick these days. I had > thought that trailering a Cal 20 to a really flat lake might work > for her. > > My desire to sail the bay area has been hampered by travel > constraints, especially since I my #2 son moved back to the > southland. One of the reasons I'd like a trailerable boat. I > looked at a NorSea 27 and the Dana 24 but couldn't make myself give > up my Cal 29 -- a perfect boat for me in these waters. > > David > > > > On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:41 AM, mike farrell wrote: > >> >> Hi David. >> I sailed Jupiter my Pilot 35 from July 1973 until Feb. >> 1991. She was a great boat for a boat designed under the CCA rule. >> She was a typical S&S boat. >> She replaced a Cal 20 Hull # 1535. My wife had just >> begun to feel comfortable with the Cal and when we went to a 7 ton >> boat the extra 6 tons were intimadating. She never was able to trim >> and reef very well. We cruised the west coast. She was replaced by >> a Santa Cruz 27 later a victim of a bitter divorce. About a year >> and a half ago, I bought Rambler Cal 20 hull 1114. $1500 on a good >> trailer with 4hp ob. She needed clean up of course. At the time I >> bought her I was negociating to get Phyllis Swift back from whom I >> had sold her to. Now I'm glad I did not. SC 27's are really tender >> boats without rail meat. >> In Last Friday Nite Golden Gate Yacht Race Rambler and >> Her Crew took First Place,1 min 2 sec ahead of 2nd. her last 3 >> finishes were 3 2 1 . Her bottom was clean, she did very well on >> the 2 reaches. Her sails were the sails that came with the boat.A >> 1989 North Main and a 1998 US Sails Jib. >> This is truly budget racing. I also sail with family >> and friends as well as singlehand. >> I have owned 7 Cal 20's 5 in this last year or so, $500 >> is the average price with one boat I bought for $10 and 1 free. I >> only take boats that have ss keel bolts and have not been painted >> or ruined below. Paint and varnish will clean up interiors and a >> good scrubbing takes care of the rest. >> They made 1953 of that boat so there plenty around. I >> donated two to the Sea Scouts, gave one to a friend and sold one >> for about what I had in her. It is about getting the boats back >> into the hands of sailors who will enjoy them. >> I'm sure you can find a great Cal 20 for about the price >> of a plane ticket to Paris (for 1) >> Keep it up, My Best, Mike >> >> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> wrote: >> >> From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:48 PM >> >> >> >> >> Chuck would tell me to get a more manly truck and tow Mariposa >> wherever I wanted to play.... >> >> Wilkie >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:25 AM, r good wrote: >> >>> there are two or three up here, I believe with trailers. >>> you wouldn't have to tow them here to play, just take them home >>> when you are ready! >>> Reggie >>> >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> From: wilkie@mariposasail ing.com >>> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:12:40 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> I looked at a Pilot 35 when living in the PNW -- couldn't afford >>> it at >>> the time but what a lovely boat! >>> >>> My plans to buy a Cal 20 on a trailer to pull behind the wife's >>> little >>> RV have been stymied by the recession. >>> >>> David Wilkie Owen >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:59 AM, mike farrell wrote: >>> >>> > HI David, >>> > My pilot 35 was fitted with a Proctor Spar. This mast >>> > had a track for sliders. 2 gates were in the track one a boom >>> level >>> > and another a little more than 2 feet higher. The last 5 slides >>> were >>> > on a jack line which allowed me the option to open the gate or >>> undo >>> > the line. It was a good system. I had no problems with stacked up >>> > sail or sail blowing away to leward. I did not tie in reef points >>> > after I pulled the middle of a Swan mainsail apart because of >>> > forgotten tie left in. I use yarn which will break. >>> > My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 hull #1114 >>> > >>> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasail ing.com> >>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29(Wilkie) >>> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:28 AM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I've been reading and re-reading all of the reefing stuff -- it >>> > should be dear to all Cal 29 sailors for sure. Here's my thoughts >>> > for whatever they are worth as I am a coastal sailor who's never >>> > been out in much over 35 knots. >>> > >>> > >>> > It's very important to be able to tuck one or more reefs in under >>> > the worst possible conditions. I had a single line reefing system >>> > that worked so great until I tried to put the 2nd reef in at 25 >>> > knots. Then you find out how much the friction affects you under >>> > loads -- even with the sail flagging loose in the wind it was a >>> real >>> > problem. >>> > >>> > >>> > Jacklines and other complicated schemes to deal with the extra >>> slugs >>> > at the bottom would not appeal to me due to having to possibly >>> mess >>> > with them during the reefing procedure. Never done it and am not >>> an >>> > expert but it sounds fraught with potential for being awkward at >>> the >>> > least. If it works for you I mean no offense. >>> > >>> > >>> > I also wanted to point out that other than having a lot of >>> wadded up >>> > sail hanging off to leeward, a reefed sail is a reefed sail. If >>> you >>> > have a foot of stacked up sliders under your reef, that's a little >>> > messy, but the size of your reefed sail is the same -- it is >>> > dictated by the distance between your reef-cringles and the head- >>> > board -- the only difference is that the reefed sail is a few >>> inches >>> > higher on the mast -- not desireable, but doable. >>> > >>> > >>> > My mast has an external track and it was very easy to extend it -- >>> > even so I have a pretty deep set of two reefs and needed an 8" >>> loop >>> > hanging from reef #2 to catch it on the gooseneck horn. >>> > >>> > >>> > Wilkie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Aug 1, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If the slides prevent the sail from going low enough to reef, you >>> > have to deal with them some way. Not being able to reef under all >>> > conditions is probably not a good solution. You could indeed have >>> > the line long enough to reach the reefing tack without removing >>> any >>> > slides but then the sail would not be as reefed and there may be a >>> > lot of sail between the reef tack and the boom flopping around. It >>> > is is just an inch or two, this would be a good solution, a foot, >>> > not so much. >>> > >>> > >>> > I made a sketch of how to rig a sail so you don't have to undo the >>> > slides to reef. If you don't want to add a foot of sail track, >>> > perhaps you can rig a version of this. >>> > http://l-36. com/reefing/ normal.gif >>> > http://l-36. com/reefing/ reefed.gif >>> > >>> > >>> > I had this arrangement on Papoose three sails ago. >>> > >>> > >>> > The other solution, which I used for years, is to just cut one or >>> > two slides free. They don't all have to be free, just so there are >>> > not slides to close to the reefing tack. You may want to have your >>> > sailmaker add a slide position if you have removed too many. >>> > >>> > >>> > But again, the best solution is to add some track. This assumes >>> you >>> > no longer use the downhaul which is probably why there is not >>> track >>> > there to begin with. Here is a picture of the new track and >>> > downhaul slide stops >>> > http://l-36. com/reefing/ newtrack. jpg >>> > >>> > >>> > I understand that every boat is different and that what I did on >>> my >>> > old boat may not fit any other boat but perhaps there is an idea >>> > here that someone will find useful. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Allen >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:49 PM, DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasai l >>> > ing.com>wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The advantage of a reefing hook on a dedicated line is that you >>> can >>> > adjust the length of the tack line to match the height of the >>> > reefing tack cringle and then you don't have to remove the stop. >>> > >>> > >>> > ?? >>> > >>> > >>> > Wilkie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:16 PM, david dobbs wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > David, What i was trying to say is that my reef tack cringle is >>> > above the sail track stop. If you reef at the dock, just remove >>> the >>> > stop, let the 3 or 4 slides fall out, replace the stop and go >>> > sailing. On the water it's not so easy. I sail with novices, and >>> > trying to do a reef on the water is probably not going to >>> happen. I >>> > will likely drop the main and use the jib or the iron genny. Any >>> > better ideas? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 >>> > >>> > >>> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasai l ing.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > From: DavidOwen <wilkie@mariposasai l ing.com> >>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Reef Points on Cal 2-29 >>> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:47 PM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I "froze" the boom on my 2- 29 to make reefing easier and also to >>> > facilitate a rigid boom vang. I have been very happy since. >>> > >>> > >>> > Wilkie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Jul 30, 2009, at 6:18 PM, markalan05 wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I have an issue with reefing brought back to cabin top winch.. >>> > Specifically, when I reef, the boom twists and the reef line binds >>> > on the turning blocks on the boom. I was wondering if the outhaul >>> > line some how is lead to a block at the bottom of the boom instead >>> > of the side of the boom, the line should pull the boom straight >>> down >>> > to the mast step and solve the binding. Is there a clean way to >>> rig >>> > this from the side to the bottom of the boom. >>> > Should I weld the SS stud to the boom to eliminate the boom >>> > rotation? Any thoughts on to do this? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4312 (20090806) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links