Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28

I have a 1988/89 Hunt Design Cal 28. The previous owner removed the ice box to install AC in the boat. I have removed the AC and want to put an ice box back in the boat. Does anyone have an ice box or know of a source for used or new ice boxes? Bert Pesak

bpesak wrote: > > > I have a 1988/89 Hunt Design Cal 28. The previous owner removed the > ice box to install AC in the boat. I have removed the AC and want to > put an ice box back in the boat. Does anyone have an ice box or know > of a source for used or new ice boxes? > > Bert Pesak > Bert: I did not see any replies so I'll suggest an approach. You can almost always build a better ice box than the manufacturers ever made. It's mostly because you can use really thick foam insulation. I've retrofitted the icebox on my 1961 Seafarer by adding layers of isocyanurate foam (the yellow stuff with foil faces) where I could reach it. That left one side un-augmented, but the other 4 sides were greatly improved. It only had 1" of foam originally. "Styrofoam" (it's polystyrene, isn't it?) is good stuff too, and readily available from building supply places like the foil-faced stuff is. To build one, you can make a plywood box of suitable shape and then use epoxy and perhaps a layer of fiberglass cloth for strength inside. You'd need to leave enough room outside for suitable amounts of insulation. Because the box is exposed to moisture, treat the construction like boat construction--leave no place for moisture to get into your plywood core, even at the point where you cut a hole for the drain fitting. We made a plywood-and-epoxy holding tank for the local schooner and it has lasted as long as the original aluminum one so far. The plywood allowed us to form it in a shape that used more of the available volume so we have a bigger tank now. If you can hold sewage in plywood and epoxy, you can certainly hold a bit of meltwater. If you're not experienced with epoxy construction techniques, the Gougeon Bros. ("WEST System") have very good publications showing how to do it well. I'm not sure you're going to find anybody making drop-in iceboxes for your boat. Chris Campbell > > >

Chris, Thanks for the idea on building the ice box. I was hoping to find one before I attempt doing that. Bert ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 bpesak wrote: I have a 1988/89 Hunt Design Cal 28. The previous owner removed the ice box to install AC in the boat. I have removed the AC and want to put an ice box back in the boat. Does anyone have an ice box or know of a source for used or new ice boxes? Bert Pesak Bert: I did not see any replies so I'll suggest an approach. You can almost always build a better ice box than the manufacturers ever made. It's mostly because you can use really thick foam insulation. I've retrofitted the icebox on my 1961 Seafarer by adding layers of isocyanurate foam (the yellow stuff with foil faces) where I could reach it. That left one side un-augmented, but the other 4 sides were greatly improved. It only had 1" of foam originally. "Styrofoam" (it's polystyrene, isn't it?) is good stuff too, and readily available from building supply places like the foil-faced stuff is. To build one, you can make a plywood box of suitable shape and then use epoxy and perhaps a layer of fiberglass cloth for strength inside. You'd need to leave enough room outside for suitable amounts of insulation. Because the box is exposed to moisture, treat the construction like boat construction--leave no place for moisture to get into your plywood core, even at the point where you cut a hole for the drain fitting. We made a plywood-and-epoxy holding tank for the local schooner and it has lasted as long as the original aluminum one so far. The plywood allowed us to form it in a shape that used more of the available volume so we have a bigger tank now. If you can hold sewage in plywood and epoxy, you can certainly hold a bit of meltwater. If you're not experienced with epoxy construction techniques, the Gougeon Bros. ("WEST System") have very good publications showing how to do it well. I'm not sure you're going to find anybody making drop-in iceboxes for your boat. Chris Campbell

here might be an in-between option. http://tinyurl.com/r7lk7b The premade components of ice boxes. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bert Pesak Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 Chris, Thanks for the idea on building the ice box. I was hoping to find one before I attempt doing that. Bert From: Chris Campbell<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 bpesak wrote: I have a 1988/89 Hunt Design Cal 28. The previous owner removed the ice box to install AC in the boat. I have removed the AC and want to put an ice box back in the boat. Does anyone have an ice box or know of a source for used or new ice boxes? Bert Pesak Bert: I did not see any replies so I'll suggest an approach. You can almost always build a better ice box than the manufacturers ever made. It's mostly because you can use really thick foam insulation. I've retrofitted the icebox on my 1961 Seafarer by adding layers of isocyanurate foam (the yellow stuff with foil faces) where I could reach it. That left one side un-augmented, but the other 4 sides were greatly improved. It only had 1" of foam originally. "Styrofoam" (it's polystyrene, isn't it?) is good stuff too, and readily available from building supply places like the foil-faced stuff is. To build one, you can make a plywood box of suitable shape and then use epoxy and perhaps a layer of fiberglass cloth for strength inside. You'd need to leave enough room outside for suitable amounts of insulation. Because the box is exposed to moisture, treat the construction like boat construction--leave no place for moisture to get into your plywood core, even at the point where you cut a hole for the drain fitting. We made a plywood-and-epoxy holding tank for the local schooner and it has lasted as long as the original aluminum one so far. The plywood allowed us to form it in a shape that used more of the available volume so we have a bigger tank now. If you can hold sewage in plywood and epoxy, you can certainly hold a bit of meltwater. If you're not experienced with epoxy construction techniques, the Gougeon Bros. ("WEST System") have very good publications showing how to do it well. I'm not sure you're going to find anybody making drop-in iceboxes for your boat. Chris Campbell

Thanks for the sugestions to my post on the Ice Box. I went to Good Old Boat and did a search. I got hit but could not find the article. I am not a subscriber not sure that makes a difference. The Glacier Bay products look like the ultimate in insulation. Their pricing is very high. Found an article by West System that can be used for a basic design. Bert Pesak --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > here might be an in-between option. > > http://tinyurl.com/r7lk7b > > The premade components of ice boxes. > > dEmO > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bert Pesak > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:35 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 > > > > Chris, > > Thanks for the idea on building the ice box. I was hoping to find one before I attempt doing that. > > Bert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Campbell<mailto:clcampbell@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 > > > > bpesak wrote: > > > I have a 1988/89 Hunt Design Cal 28. The previous owner removed the ice box to install AC in the boat. I have removed the AC and want to put an ice box back in the boat. Does anyone have an ice box or know of a source for used or new ice boxes? > > Bert Pesak > > > > > > > > Bert: > > I did not see any replies so I'll suggest an approach. You can almost always build a better ice box than the manufacturers ever made. It's mostly because you can use really thick foam insulation. I've retrofitted the icebox on my 1961 Seafarer by adding layers of isocyanurate foam (the yellow stuff with foil faces) where I could reach it. That left one side un-augmented, but the other 4 sides were greatly improved. It only had 1" of foam originally. "Styrofoam" (it's polystyrene, isn't it?) is good stuff too, and readily available from building supply places like the foil-faced stuff is. > > To build one, you can make a plywood box of suitable shape and then use epoxy and perhaps a layer of fiberglass cloth for strength inside. You'd need to leave enough room outside for suitable amounts of insulation. Because the box is exposed to moisture, treat the construction like boat construction--leave no place for moisture to get into your plywood core, even at the point where you cut a hole for the drain fitting. > > We made a plywood-and-epoxy holding tank for the local schooner and it has lasted as long as the original aluminum one so far. The plywood allowed us to form it in a shape that used more of the available volume so we have a bigger tank now. If you can hold sewage in plywood and epoxy, you can certainly hold a bit of meltwater. > > If you're not experienced with epoxy construction techniques, the Gougeon Bros. ("WEST System") have very good publications showing how to do it well. > > I'm not sure you're going to find anybody making drop-in iceboxes for your boat. > > Chris Campbell >

Check boat yards someone always seems to be srcapping out a boat somewhere --- On Thu, 8/13/09, bpesak <bj… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: bpesak <bj… [at] gmail.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:05 AM Thanks for the sugestions to my post on the Ice Box. I went to Good Old Boat and did a search. I got hit but could not find the article. I am not a subscriber not sure that makes a difference. The Glacier Bay products look like the ultimate in insulation. Their pricing is very high. Found an article by West System that can be used for a basic design. Bert Pesak --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, <timmothy.lessley@ ...> wrote: > > here might be an in-between option. > > http://tinyurl. com/r7lk7b > > The premade components of ice boxes. > > dEmO > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Bert Pesak > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:35 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 > > > > Chris, > > Thanks for the idea on building the ice box. I was hoping to find one before I attempt doing that. > > Bert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Campbell<mailto: clcampbell@ ...> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ice Box for 1988/89 Cal 28 > > > > bpesak wrote: > > > I have a 1988/89 Hunt Design Cal 28. The previous owner removed the ice box to install AC in the boat. I have removed the AC and want to put an ice box back in the boat. Does anyone have an ice box or know of a source for used or new ice boxes? > > Bert Pesak > > > > > > > > Bert: > > I did not see any replies so I'll suggest an approach. You can almost always build a better ice box than the manufacturers ever made. It's mostly because you can use really thick foam insulation. I've retrofitted the icebox on my 1961 Seafarer by adding layers of isocyanurate foam (the yellow stuff with foil faces) where I could reach it. That left one side un-augmented, but the other 4 sides were greatly improved. It only had 1" of foam originally. "Styrofoam" (it's polystyrene, isn't it?) is good stuff too, and readily available from building supply places like the foil-faced stuff is. > > To build one, you can make a plywood box of suitable shape and then use epoxy and perhaps a layer of fiberglass cloth for strength inside. You'd need to leave enough room outside for suitable amounts of insulation. Because the box is exposed to moisture, treat the construction like boat construction- -leave no place for moisture to get into your plywood core, even at the point where you cut a hole for the drain fitting. > > We made a plywood-and- epoxy holding tank for the local schooner and it has lasted as long as the original aluminum one so far. The plywood allowed us to form it in a shape that used more of the available volume so we have a bigger tank now. If you can hold sewage in plywood and epoxy, you can certainly hold a bit of meltwater. > > If you're not experienced with epoxy construction techniques, the Gougeon Bros. ("WEST System") have very good publications showing how to do it well. > > I'm not sure you're going to find anybody making drop-in iceboxes for your boat. > > Chris Campbell >