RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River

Our little knock down sequence. You might note that looking at the boats around us, that we sailed into a "jet stream" with our own weather pattern. Our wind went from west to is East "on the nose" while the boats around us had West winds on the stern. The change of winds happened in about two boat lengths. River sailing can be fun? [cid:122395017@29092009-17A9] [cid:122395017@29092009-17B0] [cid:122395017@29092009-17A2] [cid:122395017@29092009-179B]

Great pictures, thanks for posting them. I heard a story the other day about a TP-52 in the Transpac. They got hit with a storm of some kind and the boat got knocked over at 45 degrees. Water was comming into the cabin, it was night, and nobody was around. They got it straightened out but were apparently extrmeely frightened in the process. Everything they owned was wet for the rest of the trip. Makes me remember why I race sans spinnaker. These two stories have certainly saved me the money of changing that. Allen On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > Our little knock down sequence. > > You might note that looking at the boats around us, that we sailed into a > "jet stream" with our own weather pattern. > > Our wind went from west to is East "on the nose" while the boats around us > had West winds on the stern. > > The change of winds happened in about two boat lengths. > > River sailing can be fun? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > >

On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > Great pictures, thanks for posting them. I heard a story the other > day about a TP-52 in the Transpac. They got hit with a storm of > some kind and the boat got knocked over at 45 degrees. Water was > comming into the cabin, it was night, and nobody was around. They > got it straightened out but were apparently extrmeely frightened in > the process. Everything they owned was wet for the rest of the > trip. Makes me remember why I race sans spinnaker. These two > stories have certainly saved me the money of changing that. Knockdowns are scary and the most modern boats seem to have less stability and more open cockpits. We did a jibe-broach in the Yankee 38 back in the 70s when we were about 300 miles south of San Diego on the way to Manzanillo. The boat was flat in the water with the main backed, holding us down. I had used the vang as a preventer when we were running pretty much DDW. It was blowing hard, maybe 40 knots, and we had the starcut chute up as a storm chute. Those old IOR boats would roll the rails in going DDW in heavy air. Using that vang tackle as a preventer was a bad idea. I had to climb the cockpit to get to the high side and release the tackle so the main would jibe and let the boat come up. We didn't get any water in the boat, though. Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. Then, of course, you have to duck but lying flat in the water for five minutes seems a lifetime when you are 40 miles offshore. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 I actually have home movie footage of that event about five minutes before we went over. If I ever get all that stuff digitized, maybe I'll post it. > > Allen > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > Our little knock down sequence. > > You might note that looking at the boats around us, that we sailed > into a "jet stream" with our own weather pattern. > > Our wind went from west to is East "on the nose" while the boats > around us had West winds on the stern. > > The change of winds happened in about two boat lengths. > > River sailing can be fun? > > <attef9fb.jpg> > > <attc4167.jpg> > > <atta09b4.jpg> > <atta09b3.jpg> > > > > > > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: > Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, or the mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... Chris Campbell

On California Girl Hawaii trips we use Mike's suggestion. We use a dinghy main sheet control that is way undersized so that if a huge load is placed on it, the cams slip. It is carabineered to the rail and to a gasket (sail tie) that is wrapped around the boom. Under most conditions it holds the boom properly. If a massive back wind occurs, first the dinghy block slips, if the loads get immense, the gasket breaks. When this happens the boat is already pitching and we know what to expect. A real strong preventer system will either pin the boat down, or break the boom. Another system we use when flying the spinnaker is called an Outgrabber. If the boom tries to fly across, it first has to collapse the spinnaker. See Sally Honey's diagram for the rigging. [cid:372394617@30092009-17DA] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River Michael Kennedy wrote: > Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, or the mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I had a preventer on when we did a gybe and the main trimmer started pulling in the mainsheet. A 6 feet piece of spruce from the bottom of the boom hit the deck with a loud bang. Now the preventer comes off the end of the boom where the mainsheet attaches, goes forward to a bow cleat, back to a winch, and is held in the hand of the mainsheet trimmer. All he has to do is let go to release it. The line is spectra, anything else has too much stretch with the angles involved. When we broke the boom, the preventer was in a cam cleat and the guy who tried to release it could not get it free. If you want to rig a preventer off the rail, don't cleat is but run it back to the cockpit and have someone hold it so they can let go if you have to gybe or, in your case, get the boat upright. One take away, obviously, is don't gybe with a preventer attached. Allen On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell < cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. > > > > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, or the > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. >> > > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, or > the > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe broached in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't jibe, priorities shift a bit. One problem with the Yankee 38 that we would not have with the Cal 40, or with the Choate 40 that I later had, is that the boat was too heavy and would not go over 12 knots or surf. When the wind is blowing 40 and your boat is going 12, the boat wants to go everywhere at once. When the wind is 40 and the boat is going 20 or 22, the problem is not as difficult. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. > >> > > > > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? > > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, or > > the > > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... > > Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe broached > in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't > jibe, priorities shift a bit. > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select different priorities. I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by priorities. Chris Campbell > > > . > >

I left out an important part of the setup. The preventer is 2 parts. The line from the end of the boom has an eye splice at about boom length and is stored on a cleat near the gooseneck. The rest is a long line with a snap shackle on it. This goes forward to the bow cleat and back to the cockpit for easy release. When you want to gybe, unclip and re-rig after the gybe on the other side. We don't have to re-string the line from the bow cleat to the cockpit, just clip it on for the new tack. Having the line in two parts makes it much easier to use. Also, there isn't a huge bunch of line hanging from the boom when not in use. The advantage is that it is easy to release from the cockpit and if the boom does hit the water, the force goes right into the line and doesn't have to travel down the boom, which might break it. Just an alternative for your thoughts. Allen On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > I had a preventer on when we did a gybe and the main trimmer started > pulling in the mainsheet. A 6 feet piece of spruce from the bottom of the > boom hit the deck with a loud bang. Now the preventer comes off the end of > the boom where the mainsheet attaches, goes forward to a bow cleat, back to > a winch, and is held in the hand of the mainsheet trimmer. All he has to do > is let go to release it. The line is spectra, anything else has too much > stretch with the angles involved. > > When we broke the boom, the preventer was in a cam cleat and the guy who > tried to release it could not get it free. If you want to rig a preventer > off the rail, don't cleat is but run it back to the cockpit and have someone > hold it so they can let go if you have to gybe or, in your case, get the > boat upright. > > One take away, obviously, is don't gybe with a preventer attached. > > Allen > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell < > cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > >> Michael Kennedy wrote: >> > Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. >> > >> >> Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? >> What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, or the >> mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... >> >> Chris Campbell >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >

Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I left out an important part of the setup. The preventer is 2 parts. > The line from the end of the boom has an eye splice at about boom > length and is stored on a cleat near the gooseneck. The rest is a > long line with a snap shackle on it. This goes forward to the bow > cleat and back to the cockpit for easy release. When you want to > gybe, unclip and re-rig after the gybe on the other side. We don't > have to re-string the line from the bow cleat to the cockpit, just > clip it on for the new tack. Having the line in two parts makes it > much easier to use. Also, there isn't a huge bunch of line hanging > from the boom when not in use. > > > The advantage is that it is easy to release from the cockpit and if > the boom does hit the water, the force goes right into the line and > doesn't have to travel down the boom, which might break it. On the big schooner, the main boom is a very serious piece of pine. It take several people to carry it. When running or off the wind in big seas, we run a preventer way forward, and it's secured to the after end of the boom via a bowline with a very big bight, so the knot can be reached easily from on deck, even with the boom way out. That boat is never in real danger of broaching, but the ability to reach the bowline is still important in case we ever need to jibe intentionally. Chris Campbell

On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: >> >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. >> >> >> > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, >> or >> > the >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... >> >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe broached >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. >> > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > different priorities. We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the time. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > priorities. > > Chris Campbell >> >> . >> > > >

I sailed on Sirius an M boat (2/3 of a J) the boom was 40 feet long. She was built by Abking & Rasmussen. Bob Lynch owned her then and he told us about a race off Baja when the helmsman lost her at nite in heavy air and she was held down by the kite and main. Until the vang was cut she would not come up. I use a strong ( 3/8-- 5/16 line) as a preventer on a displacment boat in seas when the vane is steering or I belive it is necessary. On a lighter boat I do not. Keep your head down!!! and be alert. My Best, Mike Farrell From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:24:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: >> >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. >> >> >> > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, >> or >> > the >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... >> >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe broached >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. >> > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > different priorities. We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the time. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > priorities. > > Chris Campbell >> >> . >> > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Slight correction, if memory serves me. Sirius was the 10-meter, and Sirius II was the "M". I had the pleasure of sailing on her (the "M" boat, and formerly "Barlavento" (sp?)) in a Cal Cup in 1971 at California Yacht Club against Kialoa II and Stormvogle. We did better. It's been 38 years, but it was an amazing crew included Burk Sawywer as skipper, Don Vaughn, Rex Banks, Bezie Jones, Ed Lorence, Bob Hanretti, Bill Peterson, Greg Palmer, Dana Timmer, and several others whose names I can't remember. There may have been 15 or more on board. I was lucky to be in for just the last day, as Ed Lorence couldn't make it. Fin Beven ----- Original Message ----- From: mike farrell<mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River I sailed on Sirius an M boat (2/3 of a J) the boom was 40 feet long. She was built by Abking & Rasmussen. Bob Lynch owned her then and he told us about a race off Baja when the helmsman lost her at nite in heavy air and she was held down by the kite and main. Until the vang was cut she would not come up. I use a strong ( 3/8-- 5/16 line) as a preventer on a displacment boat in seas when the vane is steering or I belive it is necessary. On a lighter boat I do not. Keep your head down!!! and be alert. My Best, Mike Farrell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:24:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: >> >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. >> >> >> > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, >> or >> > the >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... >> >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe broached >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. >> > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > different priorities. We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the time. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > priorities. > > Chris Campbell >> >> . >> > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

With the stretch of normal line I was not able to run from boom end to cleat and back to the cockpit. The boom could stretch the line enough such that it wasn't prevented if that makes since. However, with amsteel, I was. Then when you want to release the preventer, just let go of the line (or uncleat it) from the cockpit. The trouble is that the line really doesn't need to get much longer to let the boom back a lot because you can't pull forward at 90 degrees or anywhere near. That is where the spectra comes in. I feel a lot safer being able to release from the cockpit. Allen On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Chris Campbell < cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Allen Edwards wrote: > > > > I left out an important part of the setup. The preventer is 2 parts. The > line from the end of the boom has an eye splice at about boom length and is > stored on a cleat near the gooseneck. The rest is a long line with a snap > shackle on it. This goes forward to the bow cleat and back to the cockpit > for easy release. When you want to gybe, unclip and re-rig after the gybe > on the other side. We don't have to re-string the line from the bow cleat > to the cockpit, just clip it on for the new tack. Having the line in two > parts makes it much easier to use. Also, there isn't a huge bunch of line > hanging from the boom when not in use. > > The advantage is that it is easy to release from the cockpit and if the > boom does hit the water, the force goes right into the line and doesn't have > to travel down the boom, which might break it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the big schooner, the main boom is a very serious piece of pine. It > take several people to carry it. When running or off the wind in big seas, > we run a preventer way forward, and it's secured to the after end of the > boom via a bowline with a very big bight, so the knot can be reached easily > from on deck, even with the boom way out. > > That boat is never in real danger of broaching, but the ability to reach > the bowline is still important in case we ever need to jibe intentionally. > > Chris Campbell > > >

On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > Slight correction, if memory serves me. Sirius was the 10-meter, > and Sirius II was the "M". I'm trying to remember about Sirius. I remember when Howard Ahmanson owned Sirius the M boat and I can't remember if she was then Sirius II. I sailed on the 10 meter which had a white star on her keel and black bottom paint so you could see the star when she heeled. Those were the days when Sally was another 10 meter in Newport Beach. Pursuit was another M boat that later moved to the Bay Area and I think is still there. One of the M boats was lost on Baja about 20 years ago. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I had the pleasure of sailing on her (the "M" boat, and formerly > "Barlavento" (sp?)) in a Cal Cup in 1971 at California Yacht Club > against Kialoa II and Stormvogle. We did better. > > It's been 38 years, but it was an amazing crew included Burk Sawywer > as skipper, Don Vaughn, Rex Banks, Bezie Jones, Ed Lorence, Bob > Hanretti, Bill Peterson, Greg Palmer, Dana Timmer, and several > others whose names I can't remember. There may have been 15 or more > on board. I was lucky to be in for just the last day, as Ed Lorence > couldn't make it. > > Fin Beven > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike farrell > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River > > I sailed on Sirius an M boat (2/3 of a J) the boom was 40 feet long. > She was built by Abking & Rasmussen. Bob Lynch owned her then and he > told us about a race off Baja when the helmsman lost her at nite in > heavy air and she was held down by the kite and main. Until the > vang was cut she would not come up. > I use a strong ( 3/8-- 5/16 line) as a preventer on a > displacment boat in seas when the vane is steering or I belive it is > necessary. On a lighter boat I do not. > Keep your head down!!! and be alert. > My Best, Mike Farrell > > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:24:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River > > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > >> > >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a > preventer. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of > dangers? > >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, > >> or > >> > the > >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... > >> > >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe > broached > >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't > >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. > >> > > > > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > > different priorities. > > We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a > crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked > overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 > knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling > around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the > time. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > > priorities. > > > > Chris Campbell > >> > >> . > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

I believe you are right, the M was Sirius II, Bob Lynch the real estate developer was her owner in 1979 when I sailed her. He sold her and she was renamed Formitable. I last saw her in Ft. Lauderdale in poor condition in about 1990. Pursuit is in the main harbor in Sausalito, she is well maintained but seldom if ever sailed. My Best, Mike From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:17:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > Slight correction, if memory serves me. Sirius was the 10-meter, > and Sirius II was the "M". I'm trying to remember about Sirius. I remember when Howard Ahmanson owned Sirius the M boat and I can't remember if she was then Sirius II. I sailed on the 10 meter which had a white star on her keel and black bottom paint so you could see the star when she heeled. Those were the days when Sally was another 10 meter in Newport Beach. Pursuit was another M boat that later moved to the Bay Area and I think is still there. One of the M boats was lost on Baja about 20 years ago. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I had the pleasure of sailing on her (the "M" boat, and formerly > "Barlavento" (sp?)) in a Cal Cup in 1971 at California Yacht Club > against Kialoa II and Stormvogle. We did better. > > It's been 38 years, but it was an amazing crew included Burk Sawywer > as skipper, Don Vaughn, Rex Banks, Bezie Jones, Ed Lorence, Bob > Hanretti, Bill Peterson, Greg Palmer, Dana Timmer, and several > others whose names I can't remember. There may have been 15 or more > on board. I was lucky to be in for just the last day, as Ed Lorence > couldn't make it. > > Fin Beven > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike farrell > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River > > I sailed on Sirius an M boat (2/3 of a J) the boom was 40 feet long. > She was built by Abking & Rasmussen. Bob Lynch owned her then and he > told us about a race off Baja when the helmsman lost her at nite in > heavy air and she was held down by the kite and main. Until the > vang was cut she would not come up. > I use a strong ( 3/8-- 5/16 line) as a preventer on a > displacment boat in seas when the vane is steering or I belive it is > necessary. On a lighter boat I do not. > Keep your head down!!! and be alert. > My Best, Mike Farrell > > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:24:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River > > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > >> > >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a > preventer. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of > dangers? > >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, > >> or > >> > the > >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... > >> > >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe > broached > >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't > >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. > >> > > > > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > > different priorities. > > We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a > crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked > overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 > knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling > around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the > time. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > > priorities. > > > > Chris Campbell > >> > >> . > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Folks, I think the string title on this subject got lost. Speaking of preventers...What about boom brakes? They would either give you time to make a course correction to prevent un planned jibes, or soften and slow the boom movement. Seems like a good idea, and a lot more manageable. I've gotten smacked on the temple when a driver friend was trying to drive by laying on his back and not paying attention, fortuneately I leaning was forward adjusting vang tension when it happened, the boom hit me squarely in the temple and left me dizzy for a week. I could see if I was in a bigger boat, stern-ward, it would have finished me off. Which leads to the next question, should we be wearing crash helmets? Jerry --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:24 PM On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: >> >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a preventer. >> >> >> > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of dangers? >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, >> or >> > the >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... >> >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe broached >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. >> > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > different priorities. We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the time. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > priorities. > > Chris Campbell >> >> . >> > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > Which leads to the next question, should we be wearing crash helmets? > Jerry > My Dad was an orthopedic surgeon, and he had a colleague who wore a crash helmet whenever he was in a car. The colleague's own relative risk assessment led him to that conclusion. Dad was a careful guy who installed seat belts in his cars long before they were offered as options, having seen many examples of the damage done to unrestrained bodies, and he required us to use them. I always have done so. But he did not perceive that a crash helmet was a rational requirement. It was otherwise with the iceboat. Dad bought a helmet to use in that vessel before they were required by class rules. I accepted that idea, perhaps because I had come close to disaster at iceboat speeds often enough already. That same helmet protected my head a couple years ago when I capsized the iceboat. That's when I needed surgery to fix my hand, but the head that I also landed on was not injured. My theory on monohull sailboats is that I'll try to remember to duck. Chris Campbell > >

On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Gerald Sobel wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Which leads to the next question, should we be wearing crash helmets? >> Jerry >> >> > > I had a football helmet with my bosun's chair and used it a couple of times sending somebody aloft underway. That can be dangerous with the guy in the chair swinging around. We once had a guy aloft to switch halyards in the Transpac. We had been running for several days with chute on the same jibe so we sent him up to change the halyards because of chafe. We had done a couple of chute changes and they were crossed. He didn't get the new shackle closed properly and it opened after he had taken the old one off. Down came the chute and we had to round up to keep from sailing over it. He was aloft hanging on like a monkey in a tree. I have a movie of it. Timm, it was Davey up there hanging on. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > >

Looks like we both had a lot of fun with Davey. He had a bad case of sunburned/chapped lips on the 2007 Transpac. Here he is with wife Victoria, avoiding the sun in high form with the mask we made for him. [cid:915581220@01102009-0919] [cid:915581220@01102009-1238] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Preventers, brakes was:Re: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Gerald Sobel wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Which leads to the next question, should we be wearing crash helmets? >> Jerry >> >> > > I had a football helmet with my bosun's chair and used it a couple of times sending somebody aloft underway. That can be dangerous with the guy in the chair swinging around. We once had a guy aloft to switch halyards in the Transpac. We had been running for several days with chute on the same jibe so we sent him up to change the halyards because of chafe. We had done a couple of chute changes and they were crossed. He didn't get the new shackle closed properly and it opened after he had taken the old one off. Down came the chute and we had to round up to keep from sailing over it. He was aloft hanging on like a monkey in a tree. I have a movie of it. Timm, it was Davey up there hanging on. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > >

I sailed Sally when she was donated to OCC. Sally Green, The name of the paint came from her. I Sailed with Chuck Avery on his 8 meter Synnove III We had Tony Duchi, Brad Avery, Carl Wilcox, Chuck Folger, Brian Avery ,Henry Eager. We won the AM class in the 82 Ensenada and once more, 84 I believe. Synnove III was built in Scotland in 1908 Her # was 8US8 I believe she sank at her mooring in Newport after Chuck passed away in 2004. I have been told that Doug Peterson is now restoring her. My Best, Mike Farrell From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:02:40 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River I believe you are right, the M was Sirius II, Bob Lynch the real estate developer was her owner in 1979 when I sailed her. He sold her and she was renamed Formitable. I last saw her in Ft. Lauderdale in poor condition in about 1990. Pursuit is in the main harbor in Sausalito, she is well maintained but seldom if ever sailed. My Best, Mike From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:17:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > Slight correction, if memory serves me. Sirius was the 10-meter, > and Sirius II was the "M". I'm trying to remember about Sirius. I remember when Howard Ahmanson owned Sirius the M boat and I can't remember if she was then Sirius II. I sailed on the 10 meter which had a white star on her keel and black bottom paint so you could see the star when she heeled. Those were the days when Sally was another 10 meter in Newport Beach. Pursuit was another M boat that later moved to the Bay Area and I think is still there. One of the M boats was lost on Baja about 20 years ago. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I had the pleasure of sailing on her (the "M" boat, and formerly > "Barlavento" (sp?)) in a Cal Cup in 1971 at California Yacht Club > against Kialoa II and Stormvogle. We did better. > > It's been 38 years, but it was an amazing crew included Burk Sawywer > as skipper, Don Vaughn, Rex Banks, Bezie Jones, Ed Lorence, Bob > Hanretti, Bill Peterson, Greg Palmer, Dana Timmer, and several > others whose names I can't remember. There may have been 15 or more > on board. I was lucky to be in for just the last day, as Ed Lorence > couldn't make it. > > Fin Beven > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike farrell > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River > > I sailed on Sirius an M boat (2/3 of a J) the boom was 40 feet long. > She was built by Abking & Rasmussen. Bob Lynch owned her then and he > told us about a race off Baja when the helmsman lost her at nite in > heavy air and she was held down by the kite and main. Until the > vang was cut she would not come up. > I use a strong ( 3/8-- 5/16 line) as a preventer on a > displacment boat in seas when the vane is steering or I belive it is > necessary. On a lighter boat I do not. > Keep your head down!!! and be alert. > My Best, Mike Farrell > > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:24:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Sail for the Cure 09 - Columbia River > > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > >> > >> > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Take home lesson: use a light line that will break as a > preventer. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Doesn't a preventer that breaks present a whole new set of > dangers? > >> > What if your head is in the boom's way when the preventer breaks, > >> or > >> > the > >> > mainsheet tackle busts loose or.... > >> > >> Yup. Note the qualification I added. But, when you have jibe > broached > >> in heavy air and the boat is held down by a backed main that can't > >> jibe, priorities shift a bit. > >> > > > > > > The guy knocked overboard by a boom to the head might select > > different priorities. > > We were in a 66 Series race in Newport Beach about 20 years ago when a > crew member in another boat was hit by the boom in a jibe and knocked > overboard. He did not survive. The wind that day was about 20 - 25 > knots, very unusual in Newport Beach, and the boats were milling > around before the start when it happened. You need to be alert all the > time. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > I guess the real answer is that you need to identify the most > > significant danger, prepare for it, and be aware of the other > > dangers that the choice creates. This is probably what you meant by > > priorities. > > > > Chris Campbell > >> > >> . > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links