Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice?

Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out?

we have a Cal 334 built in 1978 we bought it about 4 years ago and if you want to talk send me your off list adress, we love the boat. Dp… [at] socal.rr.com Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: dstover73 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out? From what I have read the CAL-Jensen boats are very well built and survive time well if taken care of over their life. I know - lots of questions but I figure this venue probably has the most info around and I have heard there is a willingness to help here. Thanks again,

We have a CAL 34 built in 69 and we are happy campers. At the moment we are in the process of sortng out a few projects to make sailing over to the Med from here in the Caribbean a tad more comfortable (just did a hard dodger) but the CAL 34 is most certainly a boat that is happy offshore. Bob So It Goes (CAL34) http://boatbits.blogspot.com/ http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/

Dear dstover73: We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a marvelous sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds equally well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable of handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to the 34. We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last boat. I was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love when we found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should have committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH better arrangement. In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply non-functioning equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame on me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another $15,000 more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for another $12,000. Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the boat. It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and anchors exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. I posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on this user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. Cheers, Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "dstover73" <dstover73@...> wrote: > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? <SNIP>

I have a 1975 Cal 2-34 that I have owned since early 1992. I purchased the boat in Seward, AK and lived aboard there before singlehanding her to Seattle. I then lived aboard in Seattle for another 5 years before moving to Oregon. As someone else mentioned, the boat will take more than you can. I sailed 1000 miles across the Gulf of AK and hit the usual snotty weather which can be a little unnerving when you're on your first solo trip but again the boat handled it fine. Subsequent to that I cruised southeast AK, BC and WA for years. A number of years ago a buddy and I sailed her to Brookings, OR which is where she is now. I can suggest a couple of things to think about. 1. Engine--If it's original equipment, you need to be thinking about what it's going to cost to replace. I repowered mine myself and it still cost me about $8K I just bought a new boat that was recently repowered with a 37HP Beta and the whole thing cost the previous owner $12K. 2. Standing rigging really needs to be inspected closely. If in doubt, replace it. I rerigged my boat myself and it doesn't cost as much as you might imagine. I used Sta-lok fittings which are pretty easy to use as long as you're careful. 3. Water penetration of deck. Very few people tend to the caulking as they should. An example is that the Cal manual suggests redoing where the chain plates go through the deck every year. I don't know many people that do that. I replaced my headliner several years ago and when it was off I found several areas that I had to recore which is a pain in the butt and very messy but again, it can be done. That's just a couple of things to think about. They are great boats that really sail well. Ha ha even though I bought another boat, I still haven't put my Cal up for sale (much to the chagrin of my wife!), that must say something about her (the Cal) qualities. Tom --- On Wed, 10/7/09, dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:26 PM Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out?

My first boat was a 1977 Cal 34 III. She was a great well balanced easy sailing boat. I did many upgrades one of which was to remove the Electra San and add a holding tank. The beam in my Cal was in perfect condition... As for off coast, I sold the boat on Craigslist to a gentleman from St. Petersburg, Russia... yes Russia. He came over with his dad and a friend. Worked on the boat for 2 weeks installing a wind vane and sailed her accross the Atlantic to the Azores in 20 days... Followed it up with a sail from there up the Baltic Sea. He told me the boat handled wonderfully with no problems. It is a great boat. Good Luck Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: dstover73 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out? From what I have read the CAL-Jensen boats are very well built and survive time well if taken care of over their life. I know - lots of questions but I figure this venue probably has the most info around and I have heard there is a willingness to help here. Thanks again,

Hello All, I have been offered a dismasted 1967 Cal 34' in the NYC area. The owner wants to know if I'd be willing to take it off his hands as he doesn't want to store it. The boat is pretty solid otherwise with a recently rebuilt A4 and lots of other recent work. The owner states no other damage occurred when she dismasted, but the mast is toast. I am wondering if you have any idea of where to find a Cal 34' mast and if I find one is it a huge undertaking to have it re-stepped/rigged? Also, assuming I find one, it has been suggested that I replace all the standing rigging, as it's probably 42 years old. Any idea what kind of expense this entire undertaking would entail? Would I be nuts to attempt it? I would like to find an actual Cal 34 mast but I'm assuming the owner has exhausted all Cal 34' mast finding options. Does substitution of another boat's mast make sense? Your thoughts? Comments? Advice? Admonition? Best, Stan

Dan, Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It was replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine survey. What did you repower with? One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I have to go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any offer. If there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. Thanks Again Dan (too) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <dbessmer@...> wrote: > > Dear dstover73: > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a marvelous sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds equally well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable of handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to the 34. > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last boat. I was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love when we found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should have committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH better arrangement. > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply non-functioning equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame on me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another $15,000 more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for another $12,000. > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the boat. It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and anchors exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. I posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on this user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. > > Cheers, > > Dan > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? <SNIP> >

Thanks Tom, Thanks for the info. I am a little worried about the electrosan. It was replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine survey. What did you repower with? Sounds like the engine may be a big concern I'll either have to deal with now or deal with later. One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into that. Do you know any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Tom Miller <tmiller111@...> wrote: > > I have a 1975 Cal 2-34 that I have owned since early 1992. I purchased the boat in Seward, AK and lived aboard there before singlehanding her to Seattle. I then lived aboard in Seattle for another 5 years before moving to Oregon. As someone else mentioned, the boat will take more than you can. I sailed 1000 miles across the Gulf of AK and hit the usual snotty weather which can be a little unnerving when you're on your first solo trip but again the boat handled it fine. Subsequent to that I cruised southeast AK, BC and WA for years. A number of years ago a buddy and I sailed her to Brookings, OR which is where she is now. I can suggest a couple of things to think about. > > 1. Engine--If it's original equipment, you need to be thinking about what it's going to cost to replace. I repowered mine myself and it still cost me about $8K I just bought a new boat that was recently repowered with a 37HP Beta and the whole thing cost the previous owner $12K. > > 2. Standing rigging really needs to be inspected closely. If in doubt, replace it. I rerigged my boat myself and it doesn't cost as much as you might imagine. I used Sta-lok fittings which are pretty easy to use as long as you're careful. > > 3. Water penetration of deck. Very few people tend to the caulking as they should. An example is that the Cal manual suggests redoing where the chain plates go through the deck every year. I don't know many people that do that. I replaced my headliner several years ago and when it was off I found several areas that I had to recore which is a pain in the butt and very messy but again, it can be done. > > That's just a couple of things to think about. They are great boats that really sail well. Ha ha even though I bought another boat, I still haven't put my Cal up for sale (much to the chagrin of my wife!), that must say something about her (the Cal) qualities. > > Tom > > --- On Wed, 10/7/09, dstover73 <dstover73@...> wrote: > > > From: dstover73 <dstover73@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:26 PM > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. > > I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? > > One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. > > Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. > > What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out? > > From what I have read the CAL-Jensen boats are very well built and survive time well if taken care of over their life. > > I know - lots of questions but I figure this venue probably has the most info around and I have heard there is a willingness to help here. > > Thanks again, > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

There is a fellow in the NYC area named Wayne Beardsley who re-rigged his Cal 34 several years ago (early 90s I think). Not original at all. Fractional rig. His website is http://www.pipeline.com/~wayneb/ or go directly to http://www.vertago.com/ You might try contacting him for some input. Wayne Gillikin Cal 39 Mk3 Elusive From: S D Damiecki <dd… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:22:21 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering Adoption of a Dismasted 1967 Cal 34 - any advice? Hello All, I have been offered a dismasted 1967 Cal 34' in the NYC area. The owner wants to know if I'd be willing to take it off his hands as he doesn't want to store it. The boat is pretty solid otherwise with a recently rebuilt A4 and lots of other recent work.. The owner states no other damage occurred when she dismasted, but the mast is toast. I am wondering if you have any idea of where to find a Cal 34' mast and if I find one is it a huge undertaking to have it re-stepped/rigged? Also, assuming I find one, it has been suggested that I replace all the standing rigging, as it's probably 42 years old. Any idea what kind of expense this entire undertaking would entail? Would I be nuts to attempt it? I would like to find an actual Cal 34 mast but I'm assuming the owner has exhausted all Cal 34' mast finding options. Does substitution of another boat's mast make sense? Your thoughts? Comments? Advice? Admonition? Best, Stan

It really should not be that hard to find 39 foot mast of needful dimensions. Re-rigging a mast is hardly rocket science or building up one from scratch for that matter. Not so long ago I ran across a CAL 33 using a flag pole for a mast and as I recall he spent something under $1000 for his mast and rig all up. If your CAL34 is cheap enough (heresy warning!) you might even think about doing something like converting it to junk rig or some other as a few years back I met a guy with a Catalina 38 who had been dismasted in a Hurricane down here and had converted his boat into a Junk schooner... Another example of someone thinking outside the box (using Shakespere fiberglass street light poles for masts) Fact of the matter is as far as the owner of the C38 was concerned the Junk rig performed much better than the stock rig... On the other hand I keep wondering if carbon is the way to go... I love my CAL34 but I bet I'd love it better with a carbon mast! One wonders if there might be enough interest in such a thing to make a group buy situation a doable way to bring the cost down to a sensible level? Personally I am keeping my eye open for a CAL40 without a rig, interior and engine as I have a somewhat cunning plan to turn it in to a high teched carbon sparred balanced lug schooner... Lots and lots of options! All the best Bob http://boatbits.blogspot.com/ http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/

Call a local spar builder and ask the price of replacing mast and rigging. Then, take the boat at a fair price discounted by the full cost of replacing the mast and rigging. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA and formerly Cal-34 #72 Savitar also, San Pedro, CA From: S D Damiecki<mailto:dd… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering Adoption of a Dismasted 1967 Cal 34 - any advice? Hello All, I have been offered a dismasted 1967 Cal 34' in the NYC area. The owner wants to know if I'd be willing to take it off his hands as he doesn't want to store it. The boat is pretty solid otherwise with a recently rebuilt A4 and lots of other recent work. The owner states no other damage occurred when she dismasted, but the mast is toast. I am wondering if you have any idea of where to find a Cal 34' mast and if I find one is it a huge undertaking to have it re-stepped/rigged? Also, assuming I find one, it has been suggested that I replace all the standing rigging, as it's probably 42 years old. Any idea what kind of expense this entire undertaking would entail? Would I be nuts to attempt it? I would like to find an actual Cal 34 mast but I'm assuming the owner has exhausted all Cal 34' mast finding options. Does substitution of another boat's mast make sense? Your thoughts? Comments? Advice? Admonition? Best, Stan

I highly recommend a 5 gallon porta potty. This is the one I have. Maybe there are better ones, don't know. http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|81394&id=105193 <http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|81394&id=105193>I have had it for years and it was some of the best advice I have gotten. I even had the through hulls removed for the inlet and outlet, that is how much I like it. Allen On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Dan, > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It was > replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it > everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost > to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine > survey. What did you repower with? > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main > traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the > boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to > handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light > air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into > that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? > > Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I have to > go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any offer. If > there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the > surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. > > Thanks Again Dan (too) > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, "Danny" > <dbessmer@...> wrote: > > > > Dear dstover73: > > > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are > considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a marvelous > sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds equally > well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable of > handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to the > 34. > > > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last boat. I > was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love when we > found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should have > committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We > replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH better > arrangement. > > > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden > issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded > reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply non-functioning > equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame on > me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another $15,000 > more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for > another $12,000. > > > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the boat. > It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and anchors > exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. I > posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on this > user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. > > > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from > trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dan > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: > > > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out > there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do > you not like? <SNIP> > > > > >

As with the Cal-40s, the Cal-34s can be fun and successful race-boats under PHRF rules, so long as you don't alter the stock dimensions. I'd stick with the stock dimensions on the rig, as much fun as it might to have a more modern rig. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: loosemoosefilmworks<mailto:lo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering Adoption of a Dismasted 1967 Cal 34 - any advice? It really should not be that hard to find 39 foot mast of needful dimensions. Re-rigging a mast is hardly rocket science or building up one from scratch for that matter. Not so long ago I ran across a CAL 33 using a flag pole for a mast and as I recall he spent something under $1000 for his mast and rig all up. If your CAL34 is cheap enough (heresy warning!) you might even think about doing something like converting it to junk rig or some other as a few years back I met a guy with a Catalina 38 who had been dismasted in a Hurricane down here and had converted his boat into a Junk schooner... Another example of someone thinking outside the box (using Shakespere fiberglass street light poles for masts) Fact of the matter is as far as the owner of the C38 was concerned the Junk rig performed much better than the stock rig... On the other hand I keep wondering if carbon is the way to go... I love my CAL34 but I bet I'd love it better with a carbon mast! One wonders if there might be enough interest in such a thing to make a group buy situation a doable way to bring the cost down to a sensible level? Personally I am keeping my eye open for a CAL40 without a rig, interior and engine as I have a somewhat cunning plan to turn it in to a high teched carbon sparred balanced lug schooner... Lots and lots of options! All the best Bob http://boatbits.blogspot.com/<http://boatbits.blogspot.com/> http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/<http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/> http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/<http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/> ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

By all means if racing was of any interest the only way to go is with the stock rig (or more advanced but rules kosher one)... but since that is not a consideration for me, I'm still open to a different rig or rigs for the next boat. My point being it is OK to rock the boat from time to time by thinking outside the box which I think Lapworth would both understand and approve being someone who rocked the boat somewhat himself... Bob So It Goes (CAL34) http://boatbits.blogspot.com/ http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the input. Is there any problem with "spilling" or leakage when heeling significantly? I would think that to some extent there is a limit how much you can heel and still retain the "load" so to speak. Insight would be useful. Thanks Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > I highly recommend a 5 gallon porta potty. This is the one I have. Maybe > there are better ones, don't know. > http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|81394&id=105193 > > <http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|81394&id=105193>I have > had it for years and it was some of the best advice I have gotten. > > I even had the through hulls removed for the inlet and outlet, that is how > much I like it. > > Allen > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It was > > replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it > > everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost > > to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? > > > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine > > survey. What did you repower with? > > > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main > > traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the > > boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to > > handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light > > air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into > > that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? > > > > Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I have to > > go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any offer. If > > there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the > > surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. > > > > Thanks Again Dan (too) > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, "Danny" > > <dbessmer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear dstover73: > > > > > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are > > considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a marvelous > > sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds equally > > well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable of > > handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to the > > 34. > > > > > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last boat. I > > was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love when we > > found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should have > > committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We > > replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH better > > arrangement. > > > > > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden > > issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded > > reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply non-functioning > > equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame on > > me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another $15,000 > > more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for > > another $12,000. > > > > > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the boat. > > It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and anchors > > exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. I > > posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on this > > user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. > > > > > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from > > trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out > > there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do > > you not like? <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > >

Has anyone moved the main traveler from the cockpit to the cabin roof and raised the boom up to allow a full bimini? If so how did this work out? How much reduction in speed if any? Any change in stability or handling characteristics? Any structural problems with attachement, etc. A lot of boats have the main traveler on the cabin roof so this seems like a way to get it out of the way (for the Admiral -ie wife) who likes to lounge right where the traveler is right now on a stock Cal 34 MkIII. If you did this do your regret it or are you happy with your decision. What model or brand of traveler did you use. How is it attached and what reinforcement is necessary if this is done, etc. Pictures would be helpful if you have any. Thanks again - This Forum is awesome! Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "dstover73" <dstover73@...> wrote: > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. > > I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? > > One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. > > Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. > > What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out? > > From what I have read the CAL-Jensen boats are very well built and survive time well if taken care of over their life. > > I know - lots of questions but I figure this venue probably has the most info around and I have heard there is a willingness to help here. > > Thanks again, >

We had a portapotty (marine version but we recently went over to a DIY composting head)) and the Porta Potty never leaked a drop and as they are designed to be transported on their side which would equate with a knockdown it is safe to say leakage is not a problem. Odor is not a problem either... Bob So It Goes (CAL34) http://boatbits.blogspot.com http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/

I have healed over 45 degrees with a full tank and no spill. They have a gas tight seal. It is also bolted to the cabin sole so it doesn't move either. By the way, we try not to heal that much but when the mainsheet trimmer can't get his footing after the wind goes from 5 at the start (when we picked the 155) to 20 knots in a race stuff happens. Allen On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the input. Is there any problem with "spilling" or leakage when > heeling significantly? I would think that to some extent there is a limit > how much you can heel and still retain the "load" so to speak. Insight would > be useful. > > Thanks Dan > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Allen > Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > > > I highly recommend a 5 gallon porta potty. This is the one I have. Maybe > > there are better ones, don't know. > > http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|81394&id=105193 > > > > <http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|81394&id=105193>I > have > > had it for years and it was some of the best advice I have gotten. > > > > I even had the through hulls removed for the inlet and outlet, that is > how > > much I like it. > > > > Allen > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It > was > > > replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it > > > everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it > cost > > > to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? > > > > > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an > engine > > > survey. What did you repower with? > > > > > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main > > > traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved > the > > > boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin > overhead to > > > handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect > light > > > air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look > into > > > that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? > > > > > > Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I > have to > > > go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any offer. > If > > > there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the > > > surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. > > > > > > Thanks Again Dan (too) > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Danny" > > > > <dbessmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear dstover73: > > > > > > > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are > > > considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a > marvelous > > > sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds > equally > > > well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable > of > > > handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to > the > > > 34. > > > > > > > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last > boat. I > > > was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love > when we > > > found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should > have > > > committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We > > > replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH > better > > > arrangement. > > > > > > > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden > > > issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded > > > reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply > non-functioning > > > equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame > on > > > me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another > $15,000 > > > more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for > > > another $12,000. > > > > > > > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the > boat. > > > It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and > anchors > > > exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. > I > > > posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on > this > > > user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. > > > > > > > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from > > > trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><Cal_Boats% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners > out > > > there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what > do > > > you not like? <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Howdy, I can't comment on the lectrosan as I don't much about them. I've always used a holding tank and when offshore, overboard. It's pretty simple and the only power required is my arm. :) If you choose to dump ( :) ) the electric head, you should be able to do it yourself for somewhere in the $500 to $600 dollar range. You're right, you really do want a survey done. Actually, you usually need one for insurance anyway. I repowered with a Yanmar. Mine is a 3GM30FV which translates into Model 3GM, 30 hp (actually 27hp), fresh water cooled, V drive. It's a wonderful engine but I think if I was to repower now, it would be with a Beta after hearing BC's (a former list member's) comments. Also my new boat has one and it has some really nice features. As for the main traveler, the Cal 2-34's all had their's (I think) mounted on the coach roof.. Having done some recoring, I can tell you there is a lot of plywood there and a lot of fiberglass on top of the plywood. That said, my boat was built to have the traveler there so I will defer to others who know about these things. My bottom line is the Cal 34's are good boats and mine has brought me through a lot rough weather as well as proving to be a comfortable home to me for many years. One last thought, boats require constant maintenance and expenditure and quite frankly, it will never end and in my opinion, thank God for that. There are very few things I love better than screwing around with my boat and upgrading things. Have fun! Tom From: dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 7:34:15 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? Thanks Tom, Thanks for the info. I am a little worried about the electrosan. It was replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine survey. What did you repower with? Sounds like the engine may be a big concern I'll either have to deal with now or deal with later. One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into that. Do you know any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Tom Miller <tmiller111@...> wrote: > > I have a 1975 Cal 2-34 that I have owned since early 1992. I purchased the boat in Seward, AK and lived aboard there before singlehanding her to Seattle. I then lived aboard in Seattle for another 5 years before moving to Oregon. As someone else mentioned, the boat will take more than you can. I sailed 1000 miles across the Gulf of AK and hit the usual snotty weather which can be a little unnerving when you're on your first solo trip but again the boat handled it fine. Subsequent to that I cruised southeast AK, BC and WA for years. A number of years ago a buddy and I sailed her to Brookings, OR which is where she is now. I can suggest a couple of things to think about. > > 1. Engine--If it's original equipment, you need to be thinking about what it's going to cost to replace. I repowered mine myself and it still cost me about $8K I just bought a new boat that was recently repowered with a 37HP Beta and the whole thing cost the previous owner $12K. > > 2. Standing rigging really needs to be inspected closely. If in doubt, replace it. I rerigged my boat myself and it doesn't cost as much as you might imagine. I used Sta-lok fittings which are pretty easy to use as long as you're careful. > > 3. Water penetration of deck. Very few people tend to the caulking as they should. An example is that the Cal manual suggests redoing where the chain plates go through the deck every year. I don't know many people that do that. I replaced my headliner several years ago and when it was off I found several areas that I had to recore which is a pain in the butt and very messy but again, it can be done. > > That's just a couple of things to think about. They are great boats that really sail well. Ha ha even though I bought another boat, I still haven't put my Cal up for sale (much to the chagrin of my wife!), that must say something about her (the Cal) qualities. > > Tom > > --- On Wed, 10/7/09, dstover73 <dstover73@...> wrote: > > > From: dstover73 <dstover73@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:26 PM > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. > > I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? > > One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. > > Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. > > What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out? > > From what I have read the CAL-Jensen boats are very well built and survive time well if taken care of over their life. > > I know - lots of questions but I figure this venue probably has the most info around and I have heard there is a willingness to help here. > > Thanks again, > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

woops, change subject without changing title, uh oh! --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:04 PM I have healed over 45 degrees with a full tank and no spill. They have a gas tight seal. It is also bolted to the cabin sole so it doesn't move either. By the way, we try not to heal that much but when the mainsheet trimmer can't get his footing after the wind goes from 5 at the start (when we picked the 155) to 20 knots in a race stuff happens. Allen On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@yahoo. com> wrote: Thanks for the input. Is there any problem with "spilling" or leakage when heeling significantly? I would think that to some extent there is a limit how much you can heel and still retain the "load" so to speak. Insight would be useful. Thanks Dan --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ ...> wrote: > > I highly recommend a 5 gallon porta potty. This is the one I have. Maybe > there are better ones, don't know. > http://www.defender .com/product. jsp?path= -1|51|806|81394&id=105193 > > <http://www.defender .com/product. jsp?path= -1|51|806|81394&id=105193>I have > had it for years and it was some of the best advice I have gotten. > > I even had the through hulls removed for the inlet and outlet, that is how > much I like it. > > Allen > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It was > > replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it > > everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost > > to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? > > > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine > > survey. What did you repower with? > > > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main > > traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the > > boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to > > handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light > > air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into > > that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? > > > > Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I have to > > go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any offer. If > > there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the > > surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. > > > > Thanks Again Dan (too) > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups. com>, "Danny" > > <dbessmer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear dstover73: > > > > > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are > > considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a marvelous > > sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds equally > > well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable of > > handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to the > > 34. > > > > > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last boat. I > > was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love when we > > found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should have > > committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We > > replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH better > > arrangement. > > > > > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden > > issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded > > reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply non-functioning > > equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame on > > me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another $15,000 > > more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for > > another $12,000. > > > > > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the boat. > > It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and anchors > > exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. I > > posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on this > > user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. > > > > > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from > > trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups. com>, > > "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out > > there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do > > you not like? <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > >

No, same subject. It is one of the poster's concerns regarding buying this boat. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > woops, change subject without changing title, uh oh! > > > --- On *Fri, 10/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any > advice? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > I have healed over 45 degrees with a full tank and no spill. They have a > gas tight seal. It is also bolted to the cabin sole so it doesn't move > either. > > By the way, we try not to heal that much but when the mainsheet trimmer > can't get his footing after the wind goes from 5 at the start (when we > picked the 155) to 20 knots in a race stuff happens. > Allen > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@yahoo. com<http://mc/compose?to=ds… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Thanks for the input. Is there any problem with "spilling" or leakage when >> heeling significantly? I would think that to some extent there is a limit >> how much you can heel and still retain the "load" so to speak. Insight would >> be useful. >> >> Thanks Dan >> >> >> --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, >> Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ ...> wrote: >> > >> > I highly recommend a 5 gallon porta potty. This is the one I have. Maybe >> > there are better ones, don't know. >> > http://www.defender .com/product. jsp?path= -1<http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1> >> |51|806|81394&id=105193 >> > >> > <http://www.defender .com/product. jsp?path= -1<http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1>|51|806|81394&id=105193>I >> have >> > had it for years and it was some of the best advice I have gotten. >> > >> > I even had the through hulls removed for the inlet and outlet, that is >> how >> > much I like it. >> > >> > Allen >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@.. .> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Dan, >> > > >> > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It >> was >> > > replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it >> > > everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it >> cost >> > > to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? >> > > >> > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an >> engine >> > > survey. What did you repower with? >> > > >> > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the >> main >> > > traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved >> the >> > > boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin >> overhead to >> > > handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect >> light >> > > air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look >> into >> > > that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? >> > > >> > > Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I >> have to >> > > go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any >> offer. If >> > > there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the >> > > surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. >> > > >> > > Thanks Again Dan (too) >> > > >> > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups. >> com <http://40yahoogroups.com>>, "Danny" >> >> > > <dbessmer@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Dear dstover73: >> > > > >> > > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are >> > > considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a >> marvelous >> > > sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds >> equally >> > > well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable >> of >> > > handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies >> to the >> > > 34. >> > > > >> > > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last >> boat. I >> > > was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love >> when we >> > > found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should >> have >> > > committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We >> > > replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH >> better >> > > arrangement. >> > > > >> > > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden >> > > issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded >> > > reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply >> non-functioning >> > > equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame >> on >> > > me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another >> $15,000 >> > > more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for >> > > another $12,000. >> > > > >> > > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the >> boat. >> > > It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and >> anchors >> > > exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. >> I >> > > posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on >> this >> > > user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. >> > > > >> > > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from >> > > trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > Dan >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups. >> com <http://40yahoogroups.com>>, >> > > "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any >> owners out >> > > there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what >> do >> > > you not like? <SNIP> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >

Allen, I would change the title thus. Any comments? This subject would apply to any leaking heads, since the idea of replacing a head with a porta potty was suggested, not specific to Cal 34. I use a 2.5 gal porta potty in my vacuous er, uh, voluminous yacht. Jerry Cal 24 Shpritz (Did I say voluminous? Yes, full standing room in the companion way, elsewhere if you don't get off your knees, and in V berth if you stand horizontally) --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 7:07 AM No, same subject. It is one of the poster's concerns regarding buying this boat. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: woops, change subject without changing title, uh oh! --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:04 PM I have healed over 45 degrees with a full tank and no spill. They have a gas tight seal. It is also bolted to the cabin sole so it doesn't move either. By the way, we try not to heal that much but when the mainsheet trimmer can't get his footing after the wind goes from 5 at the start (when we picked the 155) to 20 knots in a race stuff happens. Allen On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@yahoo. com> wrote: Thanks for the input. Is there any problem with "spilling" or leakage when heeling significantly? I would think that to some extent there is a limit how much you can heel and still retain the "load" so to speak. Insight would be useful. Thanks Dan --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ ...> wrote: > > I highly recommend a 5 gallon porta potty. This is the one I have. Maybe > there are better ones, don't know. > http://www.defender .com/product. jsp?path= -1|51|806|81394&id=105193 > > <http://www.defender .com/product. jsp?path= -1|51|806|81394&id=105193>I have > had it for years and it was some of the best advice I have gotten. > > I even had the through hulls removed for the inlet and outlet, that is how > much I like it. > > Allen > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, dstover73 <dstover73@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It was > > replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it > > everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost > > to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? > > > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine > > survey. What did you repower with? > > > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main > > traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the > > boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to > > handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light > > air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into > > that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? > > > > Thanks for all the tips. I am aware it is a 30+ year old boat and I have to > > go in with eyes open. That is why I am gathering info before any offer. If > > there are any particular areas that I need to be aware of or have the > > surveyer concentrate on I'd appreciate the info. > > > > Thanks Again Dan (too) > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups. com>, "Danny" > > <dbessmer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear dstover73: > > > > > > We have a Cal 34 Mk lll about the same vintage as the one you are > > considering. We bought it as a "project" boat last year. It is a marvelous > > sailing vessel. It handles both our light breezes and heavier winds equally > > well. I know of several that have circumnavigated so they are capable of > > handling more than we can. I don't believe the "I-beam issue applies to the > > 34. > > > > > > We shopped specifically for a Cal 34 when we looked for this last boat. I > > was determined to buy a Cal 34. In retrospect, I was blinded by love when we > > found her. It hid far too many expensive surprises to which we should have > > committed. Ours had that electro-san unit along with a macerator. We > > replaced it with a tried and true holding tank system. It is a MUCH better > > arrangement. > > > > > > In a word, we spent too much for a boat that had far too many hidden > > issues. The advertised "functioning equipment" by the PO far exceeded > > reality. We found more decommissioned, hidden and simply non-functioning > > equipment that was all described as "professionally maintained." Shame on > > me. We've spent another 1½ years working every weekend and another $15,000 > > more than planned. We'll still need to re-power in a couple years for > > another $12,000. > > > > > > Now that we're almost done with this refit, we absolutely love the boat. > > It is the perfect size for a cruising couple; it sails, motors and anchors > > exceedingly well. This Cal users group can be a valuable resource too. I > > posted some pictures and scans of printed literature by Cal-Jensen on this > > user group last year. Look for "Cal 34 Stuff" in the files section. > > > > > > Lastly, get a thorough survey on BOTH the hull and the engine from > > trusted sources and then take their advice. Good luck. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups. com>, > > "dstover73" <dstover73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out > > there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do > > you not like? <SNIP> > > > > > > > > > >

The early (1979) Cal 31's also have the traveller in the cockpit which does get in the way sometimes but it sure makes it convenient to ease the sheets when necessary. The later 31's had it moved up to the cabin top but I am not sure where it is placed and how much sheet control you might lose. Bob Connell "Jollygood!", Cal 31, #59 Olympia, WA --- On Fri, 10/9/09, dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: dstover73 <ds… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - cabin roof main traveler? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 11:23 AM Has anyone moved the main traveler from the cockpit to the cabin roof and raised the boom up to allow a full bimini? If so how did this work out? How much reduction in speed if any? Any change in stability or handling characteristics? Any structural problems with attachement, etc. A lot of boats have the main traveler on the cabin roof so this seems like a way to get it out of the way (for the Admiral -ie wife) who likes to lounge right where the traveler is right now on a stock Cal 34 MkIII. If you did this do your regret it or are you happy with your decision. What model or brand of traveler did you use. How is it attached and what reinforcement is necessary if this is done, etc. Pictures would be helpful if you have any. Thanks again - This Forum is awesome! Dan --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "dstover73" <dstover73@. ..> wrote: > > Looking to buy a CAL 34 MKIII and wondered if there were any owners out there with some words of wisdom. What do you like about your CAL, what do you not like? I'll get a survey of course and a separate engine survey. Anything particular to look out for? I understand that there was a problem on the metal cross beam of some sort. Is this on all model years for the Cal 34 or was it only up to a certain year? Any other things that I should be particularly alert for? I know its a 32 year old boat so there are things that may need particular attention so I want to be aware of them. > > I'll likely be doing mostly if not exclusively coastal cruising based out of Beaufort, SC but would like to know what you think a CAL34 would handle as far as offshore capability? What is the longest offshore voyage you have made with a CAL 34? I have not seen a "professional review" of the Cal 34. Is there one out there from an old magazine like SAIL or Cruising World or some other publication? > > One of the boats I am looking at has the "Electra San" (I believe that is the name) head. I understand there are areas where this head is not allowed to discharge overboard. Is that universal or is it local only. How would I find out where those restictions apply. Anyone have experience with this head. > > Here in Beaufort it is hot and humid. Do any of you owners have AC on your CAL 34 or smaller and what kind to you have. Where is the unit installed, etc. > > What sail plan do you run. What size headsail, etc. Has anyone installed the more modern, easier to raise mast cars to make raising the main easier and if so - how did that work out? > > From what I have read the CAL-Jensen boats are very well built and survive time well if taken care of over their life. > > I know - lots of questions but I figure this venue probably has the most info around and I have heard there is a willingness to help here. > > Thanks again, >

Dan (2): We hired the removal of the electrosan and macerator and installation of the traditional holding tank. We spent $1,500 and asked for the best parts and hoses possible. Money well spent. I have a low gag reflex and this was a very stinky system. Our traveler is on the cabin top too. It appears that the traveler was once in the cockpit just aft of the companionway on a teak strip. I like having it up and out of the way and don't plan on changing it back. It has never given us a problem. I would not want to raise the boom even though can be a widow maker. We duck below the boom EVERY time we enter the cabin just by habit. Raising the center of effort increases the healing moment. I like the rock solid handling right where she is. Lastly, when we do repower, it will be with Joe Demeers and his Beta Marine diesel. I just rebuilt the trannie, oil cooler, heat exchanger and water pump with all commensurate hoses and belts. I hope to buy a couple years before we repower through Joe. Like so many, I just lost my job. It allows me much more time on my boat but limits the boat budget. This too will pass. Cheers, Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "dstover73" <dstover73@...> wrote: > > Dan, > > Thanks for the info. I was a little worried about the electrosan. It was replaced about 7 years ago (per PO) but I am not sure you can use it everywhere with local regulations in effect. Do you recall how much it cost to have the head replaced and holding tank installed? > > I will have a professional, independent survey done, including an engine survey. What did you repower with? > > One thing I am a little concerned about one is that PO has had the main traveller moved to the cabin roof just in front of the hatch and moved the boom up 1 foot. Not sure of the structural ability of the cabin overhead to handle the load and moving the boom up one foot will certainly effect light air performance and possibly stability in heavy air? I'll have to look into that. Do you any CAL 34 owners who have had that done? > <SNIP>

my observation so far is that women prefer them to the traditional mechanical marvels usually installed in boats. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: lo… [at] yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:30:06 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? We had a portapotty (marine version but we recently went over to a DIY composting head)) and the Porta Potty never leaked a drop and as they are designed to be transported on their side which would equate with a knockdown it is safe to say leakage is not a problem. Odor is not a problem either... Bob So It Goes (CAL34) http://boatbits.blogspot.com http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/

I would like to add something about dumping them. My marina has a pump out station for holding tanks and a dump tank specifically for porta potties. The idea is you open the dump tank cover, open the big dump lid on the porta potty and pour the contents into the container. DON'T DO IT THIS WAY!!! Just open the little lid on the port potty that is make for permanent installations and put the pump there. Turn on the pump and everything goes out. Open the slide flush valve on the porta potty and fill with water from the hose and pump out again. Do this until you are happy with what is left. This is so much cleaner and takes an unpleasant job and makes it painless. I was so happy when I discovered this. This is a case where you really don't want to follow the instructions. Whisker poles is the other. Allen On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > my observation so far is that women prefer them to the traditional > mechanical marvels usually installed in boats. > Reggie > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: lo… [at] yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:30:06 +0000 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considering buying 1977 Cal 34 MkIII - any advice? > > > We had a portapotty (marine version but we recently went over to a DIY > composting head)) and the Porta Potty never leaked a drop and as they are > designed to be transported on their side which would equate with a knockdown > it is safe to say leakage is not a problem. > > Odor is not a problem either... > > Bob > So It Goes (CAL34) > http://boatbits.blogspot.com > http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/ > http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/ > > > >

dstover73 wrote: > > > Thanks for the input. Is there any problem with "spilling" or leakage > when heeling significantly? I would think that to some extent there is > a limit how much you can heel and still retain the "load" so to speak. > Insight would be useful. > Here's a late reply, in case nobody else has answered. I've had two Thetford Porta-Pottis. They are both designed to be carried in a vertical (90 degrees from operating position) manner by a handle on one side. I carried one home from the boat yesterday after we hauled out. One of mine is very old. It does leak a bit from the fresh water tank when carried, by reason of age and not design. The leakage is into the bowl, so even if I heeled far enough to induce leakage, it would be clean water and in the bowl. The newer one is lighter, simpler, and leak-free. For those of us in the Great Lakes, one consideration is that Ontario does not permit the use of these portable devices, as I understand it. They fear unauthorized dumping, although studies have shown that most portable device owners are very careful NOT to do so, and it's the permanent installation with diverted vales, etc. that are the more common cheaters. The Thetford devices, and most others, use a little plastic bellows-style fresh water pump. The plastic deteriorates with age. Thetford will sell you a replacement pump and a little gob of sealer--much cheaper than buying a new portable toilet. Chris Campbell