Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone?

My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the shrouds). Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal 28? Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer to the wind anyway? Kevin

I am not going to answer your question but rather add to the discussion. As you may know, my Lapworth is wood (L-36) so if anything is not up to a task this would be it. My experience with an inhauler is with my 90. The 150 sheets way back and the sheeting angle is pretty good. But the 90 normally sheets to the rail and the sheeting angle is terrible. My jib is cut high so an inhauler is possible. I experimented and found that I would sheet the jib inside the upper and aft shrouds. It hits the lower forward if I try and go inside that. The inhauler allows me to pull the jib inside like I want. The boat defiinately pointed better. That was a unanimous opinion of the crew. My experience at the helm was that the tolerance for where I point was much reduced. In other words, I could point closer to the wind, but I had to keep it within a narrow angle. We looked at using an inhauler on the 130, but I can basically sheet the sail in so that it is against the lifeline and I cannot sheet it inside the lifeline, although I didn't try. Obviously the 150 has to sheet outside the rigging. Perhaps your boat has the rigging inside the lifeline and in that case you may gain. I am interested in hearing others experience with inhaulers. I would like to add that the TP-52 Samba Pa Ti, which is a very fast boat, has their jib car running atwartship with a device similar to an inhauler to do the for-aft adjustment we all get from moving the jib car. This allows them to do what an inhauler does yet have the jib cut all the way down to the deck. I can send a picture if you want. Allen On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:22 PM, svbillied <sv… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can > only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce > to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the > cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the > shrouds). > Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal > 28? > Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer > to the wind anyway? > > Kevin > > >

If a boat has a wide sheeting angle it will definately benefit from an inside track or a barberhauler. the barberhauler placment is critical so that the sheet can be tensioned to provide twist. Now you have another way to adjust shape into your jib. On a fractional rig I move the hauler about 4 to 6 inches as seas and conditions change. the ability to point well is greatly enhanced, But you must become familiar with it and try different settings to see how to make it serve you best. My Best, Mike Farrell From: svbillied <sv… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 5:22:41 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the shrouds). Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal 28? Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer to the wind anyway? Kevin ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I've taken to using a barberhauler regularly when going to windward. It does a few nice things, besides pointing closer, it helps balance the boat and reduces lee helm (or Lee Helm, if you follow the Latitude 38 column). I use a cheep brass snap shackle and loop that line around another line that runs between my two teak hand rails above the dog house, which acts as a traveler. I'm thinking of revising the system so that I can get a two to one purchase to make adjusting the position easier, as well as finding something better than my cheep brass snap shackle that sticks closed because the pin tends to become corroded...like sail hanks do. Oh yes, I sail with a 134 genoa. Jerry Cal 24 numbah seventy one... Shpritz --- On Wed, 10/7/09, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 8:22 PM If a boat has a wide sheeting angle it will definately benefit from an inside track or a barberhauler. the barberhauler placment is critical so that the sheet can be tensioned to provide twist. Now you have another way to adjust shape into your jib. On a fractional rig I move the hauler about 4 to 6 inches as seas and conditions change. the ability to point well is greatly enhanced, But you must become familiar with it and try different settings to see how to make it serve you best. My Best, Mike Farrell From: svbillied <svbillied@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 5:22:41 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the shrouds). Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal 28? Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer to the wind anyway? Kevin ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines without the inhauler. I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I've taken to using a barberhauler regularly when going to windward. It > does a few nice things, besides pointing closer, it helps balance the boat > and reduces lee helm (or Lee Helm, if you follow the Latitude 38 column). I > use a cheep brass snap shackle and loop that line around another line that > runs between my two teak hand rails above the dog house, which acts as a > traveler. I'm thinking of revising the system so that I can get a two to one > purchase to make adjusting the position easier, as well as finding something > better than my cheep brass snap shackle that sticks closed because the pin > tends to become corroded...like sail hanks do. Oh yes, I sail with a 134 > genoa. > Jerry Cal 24 numbah seventy one... Shpritz > --- On *Wed, 10/7/09, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com>* wrote: > > > From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 8:22 PM > > > > If a boat has a wide sheeting angle it will definately benefit from an > inside track or a barberhauler. the barberhauler placment is critical so > that the sheet can be tensioned to provide twist. Now you have another way > to adjust shape into your jib. On a fractional rig I move the hauler about > 4 to 6 inches as seas and conditions change. the ability to point well is > greatly enhanced, But you must become familiar with it and try different > settings to see how to make it serve you best. > My Best, Mike Farrell > > ------------------------------ > *From:* svbillied <svbillied@yahoo. com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > *Sent:* Wed, October 7, 2009 5:22:41 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? > > My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can > only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce > to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the > cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the > shrouds). > Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal > 28? > Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer > to the wind anyway? > > Kevin > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

You are right, Allen ,Barberhauler was used as a term for a block at the rail which was used to relead the sheet outboard for reaching. My first use of "barberhauler "was with Ted Rust in 1972 on Illiamna Cal 20 #315. He used the term for what must be called an "inhauler" That term stuck as any device to attach to the sheet to deflect it in or out. Thanks for clearing that up! My Best, Mike Farrell From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 6:37:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines without the inhauler. I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >I've taken to using a barberhauler regularly when going to windward. It does a few nice things, besides pointing closer, it helps balance the boat and reduces lee helm (or Lee Helm, if you follow the Latitude 38 column). I use a cheep brass snap shackle and loop that line around another line that runs between my two teak hand rails above the dog house, which acts as a traveler. I'm thinking of revising the system so that I can get a two to one purchase to make adjusting the position easier, as well as finding something better than my cheep brass snap shackle that sticks closed because the pin tends to become corroded...like sail hanks do. Oh yes, I sail with a 134 genoa. >Jerry Cal 24 numbah seventy one... Shpritz >--- On Wed, 10/7/09, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? >> >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 8:22 PM >> >> >> >> If a boat has a wide sheeting angle it will definately benefit from an inside track or a barberhauler. the barberhauler placment is critical so that the sheet can be tensioned to provide twist. Now you have another way to adjust shape into your jib. On a fractional rig I move the hauler about 4 to 6 inches as seas and conditions change. the ability to point well is greatly enhanced, But you must become familiar with it and try different settings to see how to make it serve you best. >> My Best, Mike Farrell >> >> >> From: svbillied <svbillied@yahoo. com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> >>Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 5:22:41 PM >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? >> >> >>My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the shrouds). >>Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal 28? >>Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer to the wind anyway? >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >>------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >>

Allen, If you use a ring, do you leave the lazy sheet running in it when you tack? What do you do when you jibe? Before I used a snap shackle, I used a simple 'S' hook pulled off an old rubber elastic for my roof rack to grab onto the sheet and barber haul it in. If I could afford one, I'd use a snap on type block..or even a decent snap shackle with a smooth operating pin...or some other type of quick release shackle. Meanwhile, I'm thinking of welding a ring on top of a plain hook, so you can attach a line to it and yank the hook free from the sheet before you tack. Why is called a barber hauler? Does it have anything to do to catching on to your beard, or pulling a barber out of the drink, the one that was trying to give you a haircut in the middle of the windward leg, that fell overboard when he lost his balance? Inquiring minds want to know. Jerry --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:37 AM I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines without the inhauler. I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote:

This picture is interesting http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg . Not only does he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need for a forward inboard track. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Allen.p.edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > I believe that the first guy to use a Barberhauler was Mr Barber. > > Anyway, I just let the sheet run through the ring. Google "inhauler" and > select images and I think you will see this is how most people do it. You > can buy fancy rings specially made for this for $100 or get a ring for $10 > that works fine. > > Allen > > Sent from my iPod > > On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Allen, > If you use a ring, do you leave the lazy sheet running in it when you > tack? What do you do when you jibe? Before I used a snap shackle, I used a > simple 'S' hook pulled off an old rubber elastic for my roof rack to grab > onto the sheet and barber haul it in. If I could afford one, I'd use a snap > on type block..or even a decent snap shackle with a smooth operating > pin...or some other type of quick release shackle. Meanwhile, I'm thinking > of welding a ring on top of a plain hook, so you can attach a line to it and > yank the hook free from the sheet before you tack. > > Why is called a barber hauler? Does it have anything to do to catching on > to your beard, or pulling a barber out of the drink, the one that was trying > to give you a haircut in the middle of the windward leg, that fell overboard > when he lost his balance? Inquiring minds want to know. > > Jerry > > > > --- On *Thu, 10/8/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:37 AM > > > > I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I > bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from > the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. > Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some > tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind > of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now > the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch > warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on > a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. > > I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines > without the inhauler. > > I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but > barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet > outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. > > Allen > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=so… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> > > a span.yshortcuts { font-weight: > normal; } p a { } a { color: > #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } > div.attach-table { } --> > >

I had my original message bounce. Yahoo doesn't like my ipod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe that the first guy to use a Barberhauler was Mr Barber. Anyway, I just let the sheet run through the ring. Google "inhauler" and select "images" and I think you will see several examples. You can buy fancy rings specially made for this for $100+ or get this ring for $5.50 that works fine: http://www.lfsmarineoutdoor.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1203. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > This picture is interesting > http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg . Not only does > he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going > through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that > holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need > for a forward inboard track. > Allen > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Allen.p.edwards < > al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >> I believe that the first guy to use a Barberhauler was Mr Barber. >> >> Anyway, I just let the sheet run through the ring. Google "inhauler" and >> select images and I think you will see this is how most people do it. You >> can buy fancy rings specially made for this for $100 or get a ring for $10 >> that works fine. >> >> Allen >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Allen, >> If you use a ring, do you leave the lazy sheet running in it when you >> tack? What do you do when you jibe? Before I used a snap shackle, I used a >> simple 'S' hook pulled off an old rubber elastic for my roof rack to grab >> onto the sheet and barber haul it in. If I could afford one, I'd use a snap >> on type block..or even a decent snap shackle with a smooth operating >> pin...or some other type of quick release shackle. Meanwhile, I'm thinking >> of welding a ring on top of a plain hook, so you can attach a line to it and >> yank the hook free from the sheet before you tack. >> >> Why is called a barber hauler? Does it have anything to do to catching on >> to your beard, or pulling a barber out of the drink, the one that was trying >> to give you a haircut in the middle of the windward leg, that fell overboard >> when he lost his balance? Inquiring minds want to know. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 10/8/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: >> >> >> From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:37 AM >> >> >> >> I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I >> bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from >> the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. >> Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some >> tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind >> of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now >> the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch >> warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on >> a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. >> >> I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines >> without the inhauler. >> >> I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but >> barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet >> outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. >> >> Allen >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=so… [at] yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >> a span.yshortcuts { font-weight: >> normal; } p a { } a { color: >> #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } >> div.attach-table { } --> >> >> >

Allen, Nice picture but... don't bug me man!... (take a close look) Mike Robinson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:38:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone?(Allen) This picture is interesting http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg . Not only does he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need for a forward inboard track. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Allen.p.edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I believe that the first guy to use a Barberhauler was Mr Barber. Anyway, I just let the sheet run through the ring. Google "inhauler" and select images and I think you will see this is how most people do it. You can buy fancy rings specially made for this for $100 or get a ring for $10 that works fine. Allen On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Allen, If you use a ring, do you leave the lazy sheet running in it when you tack? What do you do when you jibe? Before I used a snap shackle, I used a simple 'S' hook pulled off an old rubber elastic for my roof rack to grab onto the sheet and barber haul it in. If I could afford one, I'd use a snap on type block..or even a decent snap shackle with a smooth operating pin...or some other type of quick release shackle. Meanwhile, I'm thinking of welding a ring on top of a plain hook, so you can attach a line to it and yank the hook free from the sheet before you tack. Why is called a barber hauler? Does it have anything to do to catching on to your beard, or pulling a barber out of the drink, the one that was trying to give you a haircut in the middle of the windward leg, that fell overboard when he lost his balance? Inquiring minds want to know. Jerry --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:37 AM I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines without the inhauler. I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: a span.yshortcuts { font-weight: normal; } p a { } a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { } --> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

A barberhauler was first used on lightning class sailboats to pull the jib out. The first boat to use was owned by a Dr. Barber in SF I think. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike farrell Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:59 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barberhauler origin You are right, Allen ,Barberhauler was used as a term for a block at the rail which was used to relead the sheet outboard for reaching. My first use of "barberhauler "was with Ted Rust in 1972 on Illiamna Cal 20 #315. He used the term for what must be called an "inhauler" That term stuck as any device to attach to the sheet to deflect it in or out. Thanks for clearing that up! My Best, Mike Farrell _____ From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 6:37:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. I bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line from the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top winch. Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run some tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what kind of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for now the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 inch warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it terminates on a block then something that is nice to hold going to the tackle and cleat. I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines without the inhauler. I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: I've taken to using a barberhauler regularly when going to windward. It does a few nice things, besides pointing closer, it helps balance the boat and reduces lee helm (or Lee Helm, if you follow the Latitude 38 column). I use a cheep brass snap shackle and loop that line around another line that runs between my two teak hand rails above the dog house, which acts as a traveler. I'm thinking of revising the system so that I can get a two to one purchase to make adjusting the position easier, as well as finding something better than my cheep brass snap shackle that sticks closed because the pin tends to become corroded...like sail hanks do. Oh yes, I sail with a 134 genoa. Jerry Cal 24 numbah seventy one... Shpritz --- On Wed, 10/7/09, mike farrell <vectormenow@ <mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ <mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 8:22 PM If a boat has a wide sheeting angle it will definately benefit from an inside track or a barberhauler. the barberhauler placment is critical so that the sheet can be tensioned to provide twist. Now you have another way to adjust shape into your jib. On a fractional rig I move the hauler about 4 to 6 inches as seas and conditions change. the ability to point well is greatly enhanced, But you must become familiar with it and try different settings to see how to make it serve you best. My Best, Mike Farrell _____ From: svbillied <svbillied@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 5:22:41 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? My 150 Genoa is great for providing power, but it obviously means I can only sheet it in as tight as the spreaders allow. With a few wraps to reduce to less than 100% the positioning of the jib cars (on the outside of the cockpit) prevents sheeting in 'tighter' (even with the jib sheets inside the shrouds). Does anyone have experience of using a barber haul (inhauler) on a 69 Cal 28? Is it worth the effort, or is the boat basically not up to sailing closer to the wind anyway? Kevin ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:Cal_Boats-fullfeatu red@yahoogroups. <http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> com Cal_Boats-unsubscri be@yahoogroups. com <http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>

Yeah, I don't want to go there. Way too many bugs. He calls them love bugs and they get squished on deck during sail changes. The blog is kind of interesting thought.http://rfor.wordpress.com/ <http://rfor.wordpress.com/>It is a long story. I guess this guy wants to race to Europe solo (Mini Transat). The boat has lots of interesting things and is very high tech. It is 21 feet long and seems pretty fast considering he said he was doing 9 knots in 10 knots of wind. Just one foot longer than a Cal-20. Allen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Allen, > Nice picture but... don't bug me man!... (take a close look) > > > *Mike Robinson* > ** > > > > > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:38:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone?(Allen) > > > > This picture is interesting > http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg . Not only does > he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going > through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that > holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need > for a forward inboard track. > Allen > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Allen.p.edwards < > al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > I believe that the first guy to use a Barberhauler was Mr Barber. > > Anyway, I just let the sheet run through the ring. Google "inhauler" and > select images and I think you will see this is how most people do it. You > can buy fancy rings specially made for this for $100 or get a ring for $10 > that works fine. > > Allen > > Sent from my iPod > > On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > If you use a ring, do you leave the lazy sheet running in it when you > tack? What do you do when you jibe? Before I used a snap shackle, I used a > simple 'S' hook pulled off an old rubber elastic for my roof rack to grab > onto the sheet and barber haul it in. If I could afford one, I'd use a snap > on type block..or even a decent snap shackle with a smooth operating > pin...or some other type of quick release shackle. Meanwhile, I'm thinking > of welding a ring on top of a plain hook, so you can attach a line to it and > yank the hook free from the sheet before you tack. > > Why is called a barber hauler? Does it have anything to do to catching on > to your beard, or pulling a barber out of the drink, the one that was trying > to give you a haircut in the middle of the windward leg, that fell overboard > when he lost his balance? Inquiring minds want to know. > > Jerry > > > > --- On *Thu, 10/8/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:37 AM > > I use a 3/8 wire, 2 inch diameter SS ring that the sheet goes through. > I bought a couple of cheap blocks with beckets and plan to run the line > from the becket, through the ring, back to the block, and to a cabin top > winch. Eventually, I want to put a block on the end of the line then run > some tackle back to a cleat so I won't need the winch. I am debating what > kind of line to use. I don't know how much power I need in the setup so for > now the winch. Right now I use a sheet that I almost never use. It is 1/4 > inch warpspeed. I am thinking of going to some thin amsteel if it > terminates on a block then something that is nice to hold going to the > tackle and cleat. > > I can't figure out how to use it for the 130 as it hits the lifelines > without the inhauler. > > I have seen both inhauler and barberhauler used to describe this but > barberhauler is the only term used to describe a setup that pulls the sheet > outboard. That was the first use of the term barberhauler. > > Allen > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=so… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > a span.yshortcuts { font-weight: > normal; } p a { } a { color: > #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } > div.attach-table { } --> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/> > > >

Allen Edwards wrote: > > > This picture is > interesting http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg > <http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg> . Not > only does he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a > downhaul going through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is > a limit line that holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. > Completely eliminates the need for a forward inboard track. > Did anybody notice the lifeline stanchions in that photo? Pretty sturdy devices.... Chris Campbell >

I guess if you are going to sail across the Atlantic alone in a 23 ft boat you want good lifelines. Turns out I have been reading about lifelines lately as I installed some middle lines and used amsteel. Most lifelines fail at the base so what he did was indeed a good idea. From an engineering standpoint, there would be huge forces at the base if you fell against a lifeline. Here is another picture that shows the stanchions in more detail http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/blog1-020.jpg <http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/blog1-020.jpg>But the interesting thing is that there is a picture of what I guess is a similar boat that clearly has stanchion gate braces to reinforce the stanchions. http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/blog-344.jpg?w=450&h=337 <http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/blog-344.jpg?w=450&h=337> On a related subject, I tried to push a friends boat away from the dock to put his fender back between the boat and the dock. The stanchion snapped in half in my hand. It broke right at the fitting for the lower lifeline, similar to the fitting used for gate braces. So, there is an advantage to what the guy did in having a welded single unit over using gate braces. Allen On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Chris Campbell < cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Allen Edwards wrote: > > > > This picture is interesting > http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg . Not only does > he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going > through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that > holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need > for a forward inboard track. > > > > > > > > Did anybody notice the lifeline stanchions in that photo? Pretty sturdy > devices.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=56 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > I guess if you are going to sail across the Atlantic alone in a 23 ft boat > you want good lifelines. Turns out I have been reading about lifelines > lately as I installed some middle lines and used amsteel. Most lifelines > fail at the base so what he did was indeed a good idea. From an engineering > standpoint, there would be huge forces at the base if you fell against a > lifeline. > Here is another picture that shows the stanchions in more detail > http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/blog1-020.jpg > > <http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/blog1-020.jpg>But the interesting > thing is that there is a picture of what I guess is a similar boat that > clearly has stanchion gate braces to reinforce the stanchions. > http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/blog-344.jpg?w=450&h=337 > <http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/blog-344.jpg?w=450&h=337> > On a related subject, I tried to push a friends boat away from the dock to > put his fender back between the boat and the dock. The stanchion snapped in > half in my hand. It broke right at the fitting for the lower lifeline, > similar to the fitting used for gate braces. So, there is an advantage to > what the guy did in having a welded single unit over using gate braces. > > > Allen > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Chris Campbell < > cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Allen Edwards wrote: >> >> >> >> This picture is interesting >> http://rfor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rfor-blog-050.jpg . Not only >> does he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going >> through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that >> holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need >> for a forward inboard track. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Did anybody notice the lifeline stanchions in that photo? Pretty sturdy >> devices.... >> >> Chris Campbell >> >> >> >> >> > >

Stantions: was barber haulers(Chris).. ....might be the appropriate title for this post. After the initial subject change it becomes "Stantions" without the 'was'. No need to keep going back to the previous subject or we'd have a subject line a mile long. The reason for changing the title, is, if anyone tries to go look for information on a certain subject from our vast library of years and years and years of discussions on various topics, the right title will let that person find the relevant posts and comments. Also, the person with parenthesis notifies that person it is a reply to his post. As I've been on this group since 1998, I can tell you that is how we've always done it. We used to have a monitor, actually, several monitors, who'd come down on you like a ton of fish if you got it wrong. Jerry --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Barber haul on 1969 Cal 28 anyone?(Allen) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 9:11 AM http://garhauermari ne.com/catalog_ process.cfm? cid=56 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Allen Edwards <allen.p.edwards@ gmail.com> wrote: I guess if you are going to sail across the Atlantic alone in a 23 ft boat you want good lifelines. Turns out I have been reading about lifelines lately as I installed some middle lines and used amsteel. Most lifelines fail at the base so what he did was indeed a good idea. From an engineering standpoint, there would be huge forces at the base if you fell against a lifeline. Here is another picture that shows the stanchions in more detailhttp://rfor. files.wordpress. com/2008/ 10/blog1- 020.jpg But the interesting thing is that there is a picture of what I guess is a similar boat that clearly has stanchion gate braces to reinforce the stanchions. http://rfor. files.wordpress. com/2009/ 02/blog-344. jpg?w=450&h=337 On a related subject, I tried to push a friends boat away from the dock to put his fender back between the boat and the dock. The stanchion snapped in half in my hand. It broke right at the fitting for the lower lifeline, similar to the fitting used for gate braces. So, there is an advantage to what the guy did in having a welded single unit over using gate braces. Allen On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> wrote: Allen Edwards wrote: This picture is interesting http://rfor. files.wordpress. com/2009/ 05/rfor-blog- 050.jpg . Not only does he have an inhauler line on the ring, but he also has a downhaul going through the same ring. I would guess the outer line is a limit line that holds the ring off the deck. Nice touch. Completely eliminates the need for a forward inboard track. Did anybody notice the lifeline stanchions in that photo? Pretty sturdy devices.... Chris Campbell