Mainsail

Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

Kevin, if you are interested, I can send you the CAL 25 National Association spec for main sails. We try to control the design some for racing purposes. The external track is standard on the boats. If you have the right sliders, and the screws that hold the track in are tight, it should not be a problem. Well possibly the damn plastic grips they put at the luff of full battens. I have one full batten in my mains (top), and I took the plastic off. By the by, the national standard attempts to balance off the big main roach we used to have (pain the butt in light air on tacks), and the severely droopy boom designs used out West. We set a maximum leach length. Use it where you will. We have adopted the PHRF batten rule that does not restrict batten size, but I don't recommend full battens since they affect the ability to shape the sail. My $.02. We restrict the material to dacron. Cheers Charlie Husar CAL 25 1657 - Chicken Little CAL 25 460 - Fahrvergnügen CAL 25 1845 - Hasty (sold it cheap to a one of my crew guys after a rehab) Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Swart Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Charlie, Are there also national specs for the Cal 24? (Almost the same hull.) We are resuscitating one and are looking at all new sails and rigging. Martin

Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

Hi, Martin. Are you talking the 24 with the flat deck (not the T/4)? I know of no one-design fleets. That would make a spec unlikely. Have you surfed for a web site? Very few of those ever made it East. I've only seen them on West Coast visits. If there is a group, it is probably in CA. I like the term "resuscitating". Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Klos Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: Martin Klos Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Mainsail (Kevin) Charlie, Are there also national specs for the Cal 24? (Almost the same hull.) We are resuscitating one and are looking at all new sails and rigging. Martin ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Kevin, When we had a new mainsail built for Magic, I told the sailmaker that I wanted another just like the one we had. Big mistake! The original mainsail had a rope foot. The top two battens were full, and the two lower battens were partial. We later had the sail recut to be loose footed and the partial battens were replaced with full battens. The top batten was replaced with a lighter weight one so it is more flexible. Many additional $$$ later, we get much better performance. --Michael-- --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

How about if you put one exta nal slide above the batten and one bellow --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:03 AM David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

How about if if you put the slide above and below the batten and hand sew them on that way they won't move around much. When I make sails for boats taht size for internal slugs I will habd stich them on with webbing that way it does not get that tilting. I now it works I have a cs27 with full battens and it works great. Dave --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:03 AM David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

Bye the way if everything works out I hope to have my Cal 34 by Spring 2010. Dave --- On Sat, 11/7/09, David Brown <dr… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: David Brown <dr… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 12:13 PM How about if if you put the slide above and below the batten and hand sew them on that way they won't move around much. When I make sails for boats taht size for internal slugs I will habd stich them on with webbing that way it does not get that tilting. I now it works I have a cs27 with full battens and it works great. Dave --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:03 AM David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

Thanks for the advice Charlie. We are still trying to get a full ID, but it is not the flat deck type. Origin is 1964 on the registration, and it needs a lot of TLC. But the hull is very strong still so we are rebuilding the interior and the rigging. The boat is living in Oregon and eventually will be our little weekender then used for short week long cruises in the San Juans. Martin

Kevin, You should get your sail maker to price out the Pentax material for your mainsail. You will find you get alot more quality in the sail for the few more dollars. You did say 'racing'. Later, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 From: "Kevin Swart" <kg… [at] earthlink.net> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2009 9:10:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

Thanks for the tip, Dave. Congrats on the 34. A very substantial and neat boat. There is one 2 boats way from my CAL 25 rehab job at a yard in Deale, MD, so I've had a chance to study the 34 a bit. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail How about if if you put the slide above and below the batten and hand sew them on that way they won't move around much. When I make sails for boats taht size for internal slugs I will habd stich them on with webbing that way it does not get that tilting. I now it works I have a cs27 with full battens and it works great. Dave --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:03 AM David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and experience. Kevin Dawendina (for now) Cal25 #1285

Charlie, This is a good reason to follow post title protocol we learned a decade ago. I had to back track thru unrelated titles and authors to find out what you skippers are talking about. I think the Cal 24 is an awesome boat and more fun to sail than any other Cal I've been in. In a beam reach, with enough wind, it can possibly keep up with a Cal 40. I know I once paced a Cal 50 most of the way in the Channel Islands to Marina del Rey race a few years ago, in winds in the mid twenties with gusts to 30 knots, using a poled out 134 Genoa. Going up wind without a lot of sideways drift is it's Achilles heel. The CB is a 3/4" steel pie plate cut from a piece about 4' long and 2.5' or so wide. Unfortunately, the added depth of this wedge is less than two feet and doesn't help the drift problem a whole lot...if at all. but it does help balance the sail trim. Jerry --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Mainsail (Kevin) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:11 AM Hi, Martin. Are you talking the 24 with the flat deck (not the T/4)? I know of no one-design fleets. That would make a spec unlikely. Have you surfed for a web site? Very few of those ever made it East. I've only seen them on West Coast visits. If there is a group, it is probably in CA. I like the term "resuscitating" . Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Martin Klos Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:10 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Cc: Martin Klos Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Mainsail (Kevin) Charlie, Are there also national specs for the Cal 24? (Almost the same hull.) We are resuscitating one and are looking at all new sails and rigging. Martin ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

David: Congrats on the pending 34 purchase. We sure love our '78, Mk lll. Where will you moor yours? Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, David Brown <drybilge@...> wrote: > > Bye the way if everything works out I hope to have my Cal 34 by Spring 2010. >  > Dave > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, David Brown <drybilge@...> wrote: > > > From: David Brown <drybilge@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 12:13 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > How about if if you put the slide above and below the batten and hand sew them on that way they won't move around much. When I make sails for boats taht size for internal slugs I will habd stich them on with webbing that way it does not get that tilting. I now it works I have a cs27 with full battens and it works great. >  > Dave > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> wrote: > > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:03 AM > > >  > > > David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. >  > Cheers > Charlie > > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Brown > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > > > > > > > Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: > > > From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM > > >  > > Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the > current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m > going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with > regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the > bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought > there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and > lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and > experience. > > Kevin > Dawendina (for now) > Cal25 #1285 >

Dave, You wrote, "When I make sails for boats taht size for internal slugs I will habd stich them on with webbing that way it does not get that tilting. I now it works I have a cs27 with full battens and it works great." Could you post of photo of a stiched on slug? Thanks, Bruce Stirling

Port Washington Wi --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Danny <db… [at] easystreet.net> wrote: From: Danny <db… [at] easystreet.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Mainsail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:32 PM David: Congrats on the pending 34 purchase. We sure love our '78, Mk lll. Where will you moor yours? Danny --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, David Brown <drybilge@.. .> wrote: > > Bye the way if everything works out I hope to have my Cal 34 by Spring 2010. >  > Dave > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, David Brown <drybilge@.. .> wrote: > > > From: David Brown <drybilge@.. .> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 12:13 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > How about if if you put the slide above and below the batten and hand sew them on that way they won't move around much. When I make sails for boats taht size for internal slugs I will habd stich them on with webbing that way it does not get that tilting. I now it works I have a cs27 with full battens and it works great. >  > Dave > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> wrote: > > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogro u ps.com> > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:03 AM > > >  > > > David, the problem with the receptacle is that it causes an extra weight at that slide which tilts the slide downward. It has been a problem on the CAL 25 main slide track. Spraying the sliders and track with silicon does help. >  > Cheers > Charlie > > > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Brown > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:43 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > > > > > > > Ir you use a batten slide recpticle at each full batten you should have no problems > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: > > > From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mainsail > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:10 PM > > >  > > Time to put a new Mainsail on our Cal25 since the receipt for the > current sail indicates the sail was delivered on November 30 1978. I''m > going with a racing dacron and am wondering what everybody uses with > regard to battens? Leaning towards top two being full battens with the > bottom two leech battens. Sail track is external. Sailmaker thought > there may be some difficulty with the track binding during raising and > lowering of the sails. Looking forward to everybody's opinions and > experience. > > Kevin > Dawendina (for now) > Cal25 #1285 >