liveaboard to sailing? ( dream obstacles)

Damn Charlie, You ARE the Cal 25 Guru! Through all the readings from this group, you seem to have the most rebuild or as you say ,"Rehab" info on Cal 25's. I'm still living on mine down here in the Keys and have done little work on her since moving back on board a couple of years ago. Before I moved back on board, when I was living with my ex-girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. I also removed my old bulkheads and spent many weeks removing the aft half of the deck plywood core.The 2 inner teak frame pieces that were attached to each bulkhead are now resting on the raised floor by the head and supporting the deck under the beams that the sliding hatch sit on. Due to having all my stuff in the boat, it's a bit hard to replace the deck core while I live in her. My initiative in my work has plummetted and I might be suffering from what's called down here, "Key's Disease". I have some epoxy work to do on the beams that support the sliding hatch as well as the curved beam between them. I want to do this when I replace the deck core because they'll be off anyway. I removed all 3 beams earlier to reseal them and found rot in a few places on the bottom of the beams and particularly, on both sides of the cross beam where it fits in the recessed slots of the main support beams that support the sliding hatch and deck. This means I need several days to do the epoxy work and thus am hatchless while living on board, exposed to the elements with a tarp for protection. It has become a bit of an overwelming project while living on her. Maybe if I could find a sailing gal as a girlfriend (or wife) that I could move in with while "rehab"ing "Lost Sailor", I could finally complete these major structural projects, began sailing her and enjoying real waves and wind, and finish her as time between sailing permits! : ) But man, I'm deep into my "sailing" dream as it is. My "find a gal to share life with" dream doesn't get a fair play currently. I think what I need is a memory card. If I could just get you to put the 9000 terabite brain card in your usb mind slot and copy your Cal knowledge for me ... I'm not sure why I'm writing this ... except that you're still rehabing Cal 25's and I'm still trying to rehab mine. I wish to, really wish to complete these structural projects, so I can go sailing and enjoy my boat. Without getting to the point of sailing her, I'm just one of those guys that likes working on boats. My knowledge so far is about what I've done so far. I read all I can get about my current project, practice a bit on smaller projects, and then go for it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, not really but I try, so I like to do things right. This hampers me sometimes in completing projects as I want them to not only be structurally sound but to look nice as well. (darn painting) I guess the bottom line is ... here I am, living on my '65 Cal 25, bottom work all done, aft deck and bulkheads out and surfaces smooth and ready for a final grinding, yet I live in her. How can I overcome this sailing dream obstacle? I've come to the conclusion that maybe I need help, at least a "get off your ass, put your shit outside, and just do it" thing? Right now, I'm sitting hunched over on the edge of my v-berth, typing, sitting inside "Lost Sailor", my dream, trying to figure it out, the next step. Um, finances are tight. So things like get a room for a bit are not something I can afford. And of course, at this step, marine plywood is vital. So for a dude like me, refusing to give up, please help me figure out my next step. Matt Collins "Lost Sailor" 1965 Cal 25 supposedly #104 (I don't think they had id numbers back then but that's what my title says) Marathon, FL 305-393-7837 Posted by: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" hu… [at] bah.com calannapolis Sat Nov 7, 2009 8:30 pm (PST) Thanks for the tip, Dave. Congrats on the 34. A very substantial and neat boat. There is one 2 boats way from my CAL 25 rehab job at a yard in Deale, MD, so I've had a chance to study the 34 a bit. Cheers Charlie

On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Jerry Garcia wrote: > > Damn Charlie, > > You ARE the Cal 25 Guru! Through all the readings from this group, > you seem to have the most rebuild or as you say ,"Rehab" info on Cal > 25's. > > > I'm still living on mine down here in the Keys and have done little > work on her since moving back on board a couple of years ago. > Before I moved back on board, when I was living with my ex- > girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. 6 > I assume you're referring to the boat. Good work. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 9

I was living with my ex-girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. 6 > I assume you're referring to the boat. Good work. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 9

my bride says you need to make a list! then every day, your job is to accomplish and cross off one thing on the list. she says it should be the item you least want to do. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: lo… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:01:21 -0800 Subject: [Cal_Boats] liveaboard to sailing? ( dream obstacles) Damn Charlie, You ARE the Cal 25 Guru! Through all the readings from this group, you seem to have the most rebuild or as you say ,"Rehab" info on Cal 25's. I'm still living on mine down here in the Keys and have done little work on her since moving back on board a couple of years ago. Before I moved back on board, when I was living with my ex-girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. I also removed my old bulkheads and spent many weeks removing the aft half of the deck plywood core.The 2 inner teak frame pieces that were attached to each bulkhead are now resting on the raised floor by the head and supporting the deck under the beams that the sliding hatch sit on. Due to having all my stuff in the boat, it's a bit hard to replace the deck core while I live in her. My initiative in my work has plummetted and I might be suffering from what's called down here, "Key's Disease". I have some epoxy work to do on the beams that support the sliding hatch as well as the curved beam between them. I want to do this when I replace the deck core because they'll be off anyway. I removed all 3 beams earlier to reseal them and found rot in a few places on the bottom of the beams and particularly, on both sides of the cross beam where it fits in the recessed slots of the main support beams that support the sliding hatch and deck. This means I need several days to do the epoxy work and thus am hatchless while living on board, exposed to the elements with a tarp for protection. It has become a bit of an overwelming project while living on her. Maybe if I could find a sailing gal as a girlfriend (or wife) that I could move in with while "rehab"ing "Lost Sailor", I could finally complete these major structural projects, began sailing her and enjoying real waves and wind, and finish her as time between sailing permits! : ) But man, I'm deep into my "sailing" dream as it is. My "find a gal to share life with" dream doesn't get a fair play currently. I think what I need is a memory card. If I could just get you to put the 9000 terabite brain card in your usb mind slot and copy your Cal knowledge for me ... I'm not sure why I'm writing this ... except that you're still rehabing Cal 25's and I'm still trying to rehab mine. I wish to, really wish to complete these structural projects, so I can go sailing and enjoy my boat. Without getting to the point of sailing her, I'm just one of those guys that likes working on boats. My knowledge so far is about what I've done so far. I read all I can get about my current project, practice a bit on smaller projects, and then go for it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, not really but I try, so I like to do things right. This hampers me sometimes in completing projects as I want them to not only be structurally sound but to look nice as well. (darn painting) I guess the bottom line is ... here I am, living on my '65 Cal 25, bottom work all done, aft deck and bulkheads out and surfaces smooth and ready for a final grinding, yet I live in her. How can I overcome this sailing dream obstacle? I've come to the conclusion that maybe I need help, at least a "get off your ass, put your shit outside, and just do it" thing? Right now, I'm sitting hunched over on the edge of my v-berth, typing, sitting inside "Lost Sailor", my dream, trying to figure it out, the next step. Um, finances are tight. So things like get a room for a bit are not something I can afford. And of course, at this step, marine plywood is vital. So for a dude like me, refusing to give up, please help me figure out my next step. Matt Collins "Lost Sailor" 1965 Cal 25 supposedly #104 (I don't think they had id numbers back then but that's what my title says) Marathon, FL 305-393-7837 Posted by: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" hu… [at] bah.com calannapolis Sat Nov 7, 2009 8:30 pm (PST) Thanks for the tip, Dave. Congrats on the 34. A very substantial and neat boat. There is one 2 boats way from my CAL 25 rehab job at a yard in Deale, MD, so I've had a chance to study the 34 a bit. Cheers Charlie

Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

Was she already your "ex-girlfriend" or did that happen later? Or was it a direct result of the "bottom work"? Wyatt From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:02 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] liveaboard to sailing? ( FUNNY MIKE) I was living with my ex-girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. 6 > I assume you're referring to the boat. Good work. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 9

Thanks for the concern. All the neighbors were out tying up their boats, adding lines, setting anchors, getting small boats on trailers and collectively yelling, "No hurricanes in November!" In recent history we have not had any later than 4 October 1995, when Opal hit us. I was not too concerned since the GOM water temp out 100 miles was 76 degrees. 78.8 or above is required to keep a hurricane going. So, we worked our booties off for two days, then a fizzle. No more than 40 knots and that was out of the north. Monday night at high tide, I did have about 4" over my main dock. Of course, I was up most of the night shining the spotlight and checking lines, etc. I am still wondering why I left Seal Beach??? We did drive over to the yard and check out "Submit" today. She was just setting there with a smug look on her face. I took a picture which I will send. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, "Satori", Janet has our/her Cal 25 "Bravura" back, but she is still here on her trailer until the marina in NOLA gets rebuilt From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:01:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

Thanks, Tom. Glad it was mostly a non-event for you My best to Bobbie Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: bs… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:59:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Thanks for the concern. All the neighbors were out tying up their boats, adding lines, setting anchors, getting small boats on trailers and collectively yelling, "No hurricanes in November!" In recent history we have not had any later than 4 October 1995, when Opal hit us. I was not too concerned since the GOM water temp out 100 miles was 76 degrees. 78.8 or above is required to keep a hurricane going. So, we worked our booties off for two days, then a fizzle. No more than 40 knots and that was out of the north. Monday night at high tide, I did have about 4" over my main dock. Of course, I was up most of the night shining the spotlight and checking lines, etc. I am still wondering why I left Seal Beach??? We did drive over to the yard and check out "Submit" today. She was just setting there with a smug look on her face. I took a picture which I will send. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, "Satori", Janet has our/her Cal 25 "Bravura" back, but she is still here on her trailer until the marina in NOLA gets rebuilt From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:01:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

Tom Glad you came out ok! we didn’t even get rain, just some 45mph winds Janet Plume, Editor/Gulf Shipper 826 Fern Street New Orleans, La. 70118 504-866-7076 cell: 504-250-4539 email: <mailto:jp… [at] joc.com> jp… [at] joc.com We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vandiver Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Thanks for the concern. All the neighbors were out tying up their boats, adding lines, setting anchors, getting small boats on trailers and collectively yelling, "No hurricanes in November!" In recent history we have not had any later than 4 October 1995, when Opal hit us. I was not too concerned since the GOM water temp out 100 miles was 76 degrees. 78.8 or above is required to keep a hurricane going. So, we worked our booties off for two days, then a fizzle. No more than 40 knots and that was out of the north. Monday night at high tide, I did have about 4" over my main dock. Of course, I was up most of the night shining the spotlight and checking lines, etc. I am still wondering why I left Seal Beach??? We did drive over to the yard and check out "Submit" today. She was just setting there with a smug look on her face. I took a picture which I will send. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, "Satori", Janet has our/her Cal 25 "Bravura" back, but she is still here on her trailer until the marina in NOLA gets rebuilt _____ From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:01:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

But on the other hand, I just read this on the news: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33884007/ns/us_news-life/ A group of fisherman returning with a load of fish from the last opportunity to catch Halibut during the last days of the fishing season met a fate not unlike the men in "Perfect Strom" from the aftermath of Ida. Jerry --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Janet PLume <pl… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Janet PLume <pl… [at] cox.net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 5:19 PM Tom Glad you came out ok! we didn’t even get rain, just some 45mph winds Janet Plume, Editor/Gulf Shipper 826 Fern Street New Orleans, La. 70118 504-866-7076 cell: 504-250-4539 email: jp… [at] joc.com We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vandiver Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:59 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Thanks for the concern. All the neighbors were out tying up their boats, adding lines, setting anchors, getting small boats on trailers and collectively yelling, "No hurricanes in November!" In recent history we have not had any later than 4 October 1995, when Opal hit us. I was not too concerned since the GOM water temp out 100 miles was 76 degrees. 78.8 or above is required to keep a hurricane going. So, we worked our booties off for two days, then a fizzle. No more than 40 knots and that was out of the north. Monday night at high tide, I did have about 4" over my main dock. Of course, I was up most of the night shining the spotlight and checking lines, etc. I am still wondering why I left Seal Beach??? We did drive over to the yard and check out "Submit" today. She was just setting there with a smug look on her face. I took a picture which I will send. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, "Satori", Janet has our/her Cal 25 "Bravura" back, but she is still here on her trailer until the marina in NOLA gets rebuilt From: r good <my1972ih@hotmail. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:01:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

Bad Ida Janet Plume, Editor/Gulf Shipper 826 Fern Street New Orleans, La. 70118 504-866-7076 cell: 504-250-4539 email: <mailto:jp… [at] joc.com> jp… [at] joc.com We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:57 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm But on the other hand, I just read this on the news: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33884007/ns/us_news-life/ A group of fisherman returning with a load of fish from the last opportunity to catch Halibut during the last days of the fishing season met a fate not unlike the men in "Perfect Strom" from the aftermath of Ida. Jerry --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Janet PLume <pl… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Janet PLume <pl… [at] cox.net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 5:19 PM Tom Glad you came out ok! we didn’t even get rain, just some 45mph winds Janet Plume, Editor/Gulf Shipper 826 Fern Street New Orleans, La. 70118 504-866-7076 cell: 504-250-4539 email: jp… [at] joc.com We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vandiver Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:59 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Thanks for the concern. All the neighbors were out tying up their boats, adding lines, setting anchors, getting small boats on trailers and collectively yelling, "No hurricanes in November!" In recent history we have not had any later than 4 October 1995, when Opal hit us. I was not too concerned since the GOM water temp out 100 miles was 76 degrees. 78.8 or above is required to keep a hurricane going. So, we worked our booties off for two days, then a fizzle. No more than 40 knots and that was out of the north. Monday night at high tide, I did have about 4" over my main dock. Of course, I was up most of the night shining the spotlight and checking lines, etc. I am still wondering why I left Seal Beach??? We did drive over to the yard and check out "Submit" today. She was just setting there with a smug look on her face. I took a picture which I will send. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, "Satori", Janet has our/her Cal 25 "Bravura" back, but she is still here on her trailer until the marina in NOLA gets rebuilt _____ From: r good <my1972ih@hotmail. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:01:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

I shiver to think about trying to go up and over that humongous wave like in the last scene of the movie "Perfect Strom". Somehow I don't think they ended like that, but I'm sure it was horrifying enough. And to think the poor fishie's died for nothing. Aarrgh~ Jerry --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Janet PLume <pl… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Janet PLume <pl… [at] cox.net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:21 PM Bad Ida Janet Plume, Editor/Gulf Shipper 826 Fern Street New Orleans, La. 70118 504-866-7076 cell: 504-250-4539 email: jp… [at] joc.com We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:57 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm But on the other hand, I just read this on the news: http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 33884007/ ns/us_news- life/ A group of fisherman returning with a load of fish from the last opportunity to catch Halibut during the last days of the fishing season met a fate not unlike the men in "Perfect Strom" from the aftermath of Ida. Jerry --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Janet PLume <plumeink@cox. net> wrote: From: Janet PLume <plumeink@cox. net> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 5:19 PM Tom Glad you came out ok! we didn’t even get rain, just some 45mph winds Janet Plume, Editor/Gulf Shipper 826 Fern Street New Orleans, La. 70118 504-866-7076 cell: 504-250-4539 email: jp… [at] joc.com We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vandiver Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:59 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Thanks for the concern. All the neighbors were out tying up their boats, adding lines, setting anchors, getting small boats on trailers and collectively yelling, "No hurricanes in November!" In recent history we have not had any later than 4 October 1995, when Opal hit us. I was not too concerned since the GOM water temp out 100 miles was 76 degrees. 78.8 or above is required to keep a hurricane going. So, we worked our booties off for two days, then a fizzle. No more than 40 knots and that was out of the north. Monday night at high tide, I did have about 4" over my main dock. Of course, I was up most of the night shining the spotlight and checking lines, etc. I am still wondering why I left Seal Beach??? We did drive over to the yard and check out "Submit" today. She was just setting there with a smug look on her face. I took a picture which I will send. Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, "Satori", Janet has our/her Cal 25 "Bravura" back, but she is still here on her trailer until the marina in NOLA gets rebuilt From: r good <my1972ih@hotmail. com> To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:01:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Pensacola storm Hey Tom how was the hurricane there? are you and Satori OK? Reggie

Well, I think she enjoyed the bottom work but the crane strained when hauling her out ... lol Thanks y'all for the um, support. To clear things up, when I lived with her, it was in her apartment, which was what enabled me to do all the glass work on "Lost Sailor". My home currently is not unlike a cave. Anybody here actually ever live for years on a Cal 25? And add all my tools, glass and epoxy, and projects in progress ... shoo. I can't ever give up though, man. I do enjoy life here on the water. Just need to make my home sailable! Damn. And I thought y'all were organizing a "build the boat" party! Peaceski Mattski --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Wyatt Hendricks" <whendricks@...> wrote: > > Was she already your "ex-girlfriend" or did that happen later? > > Or was it a direct result of the "bottom work"? > > > > Wyatt > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:02 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] liveaboard to sailing? ( FUNNY MIKE) > > > > > > I was living with my ex-girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. 6 > > > > I assume you're referring to the boat. Good work. > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 9 >

Well, at least we know you're not hanging out at the Monster or the Green Parrot :-Þ Or are those gone now? It's been so long since I lived there... Marsh lostsailorinthekeys wrote: > Well, I think she enjoyed the bottom work but the crane strained when hauling her out ... lol > > Thanks y'all for the um, support. To clear things up, when I lived with her, it was in her apartment, which was what enabled me to do all the glass work on "Lost Sailor". > > My home currently is not unlike a cave. Anybody here actually ever live for years on a Cal 25? And add all my tools, glass and epoxy, and projects in progress ... shoo. > > I can't ever give up though, man. I do enjoy life here on the water. Just need to make my home sailable! > > Damn. And I thought y'all were organizing a "build the boat" party! > > Peaceski > Mattski > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Wyatt Hendricks" <whendricks@...> wrote: > >> Was she already your "ex-girlfriend" or did that happen later? >> >> Or was it a direct result of the "bottom work"? >> >> >> >> Wyatt >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:02 AM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] liveaboard to sailing? ( FUNNY MIKE) >> >> >> >> >> >> I was living with my ex-girlfriend, I hauled her out and did all the bottom work. 6 >> >> I assume you're referring to the boat. Good work. >> >> MIke Kennedy >> Conquest Cal 40 # 9 >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-