Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole

I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I agree with Timm on the support factor. Our factory poles were simply in mahogany "donuts" top-and-bottom, and (so far as I can remember, not really fastened to the "donuts". Because of the weight of the table, they rested on the cabin sole, but there may have been 1/4" - 5/16" space at the top, above the poles. As such, the cabin top would have to flex at least that much before contacting (and being supported by) the post. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole [1 Attachment] I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 ________________________________ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com%3Cmailto:pwestla%40aol.com>> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Fin, I was thinking of people of the approximate dimensions of Timm or myself stomping around on the cabin top. I never did have a chance to see what the original configuration looked like on my boat. I do know that the two stainless posts that were installed off to the sides are screwed into more solid flooring and screwed into the overhead (top and bottom of posts are flanged). Hmmm, come to think of it, I have not looked too carefully to see if the screws at the bottom poke out through the hull. : - ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:13 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  I agree with Timm on the support factor. Our factory poles were simply in mahogany "donuts" top-and-bottom, and (so far as I can remember, not really fastened to the "donuts". Because of the weight of the table, they rested on the cabin sole, but there may have been 1/4" - 5/16" space at the top, above the poles. As such, the cabin top would have to flex at least that much before contacting (and being supported by) the post. Fin. From: ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole [1 Attachment] I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com>> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Maybe its one of those "bumps" they used to talk about in the IOR rule. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie [USA]<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  Fin, I was thinking of people of the approximate dimensions of Timm or myself stomping around on the cabin top. I never did have a chance to see what the original configuration looked like on my boat. I do know that the two stainless posts that were installed off to the sides are screwed into more solid flooring and screwed into the overhead (top and bottom of posts are flanged). Hmmm, come to think of it, I have not looked too carefully to see if the screws at the bottom poke out through the hull. : - ] Cheers Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:13 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  I agree with Timm on the support factor. Our factory poles were simply in mahogany "donuts" top-and-bottom, and (so far as I can remember, not really fastened to the "donuts". Because of the weight of the table, they rested on the cabin sole, but there may have been 1/4" - 5/16" space at the top, above the poles. As such, the cabin top would have to flex at least that much before contacting (and being supported by) the post. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole [1 Attachment] I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 ________________________________ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com%3Cmailto:pwestla%40aol.com>> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Thanks for all the replies but the 39 is not a 40 and at 19,000lbs I am hoping some of that extra weight is in the cabin top but who knows? That said, I believe the cabin on the 39 is quite a bit wider and therefore would be more subject to flexing and the fact that the bottom of the pole is attached to an "L" bracket on a cross beam, not the sole, may be an indicator that it is needed or could be there as a precaution only ie "belt and suspenders". Thanks again - maybe I'll just leave it and cut off the brackets for the table. Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39

Are you saying I'm Fat? [cid:312000808@24112009-0722]<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/great-big-gut.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/android-obesity&usg=__aJW_dw3Cnox5rt6End5lyLANcm0=&h=1056&w=816&sz=240&hl=en&start=19&um=1&tbnid=6adF_qCzfJZxfM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfat%2Bbastard%2Bphotos%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS333US334%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1> dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  Fin, I was thinking of people of the approximate dimensions of Timm or myself stomping around on the cabin top. I never did have a chance to see what the original configuration looked like on my boat. I do know that the two stainless posts that were installed off to the sides are screwed into more solid flooring and screwed into the overhead (top and bottom of posts are flanged). Hmmm, come to think of it, I have not looked too carefully to see if the screws at the bottom poke out through the hull. : - ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:13 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  I agree with Timm on the support factor. Our factory poles were simply in mahogany "donuts" top-and-bottom, and (so far as I can remember, not really fastened to the "donuts". Because of the weight of the table, they rested on the cabin sole, but there may have been 1/4" - 5/16" space at the top, above the poles. As such, the cabin top would have to flex at least that much before contacting (and being supported by) the post. Fin. From: ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole [1 Attachment] I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com>> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Paul, I think your interior is the same as my boat's. It is my opinion (I am very far from an engineer) that the pole is structural. The '79's had a different table arrangement and no pole. The pole was introduced with your model year. I don't think the pole is there to hold the table up I think it is there to hold the coachroof up. For what it's worth, I wouldn't take mine out. I don't have the gutz or training to second guess the engineer/architect that decided it was a good idea to have the pole. BTW - on my boat there is a gap of about an inch and a half between the top of the pole and the coachroof. The gap is filled with a piece of Teak (round, donut sans hole). When I replaced the traveler system a few years ago I had taken the Teak out temporarily. The deck flexed a bit when I stood on it. Was it too much flex? I really don't know. It might be unrealistic to think a deck wouldn't flex under my extreme tonnage. But, it flexed so I decided the pole was structural. I think it's the safe assumption. Regards, Wayne From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 9:24:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Thanks for all the replies but the 39 is not a 40 and at 19,000lbs I am hoping some of that extra weight is in the cabin top but who knows? That said, I believe the cabin on the 39 is quite a bit wider and therefore would be more subject to flexing and the fact that the bottom of the pole is attached to an "L" bracket on a cross beam, not the sole, may be an indicator that it is needed or could be there as a precaution only ie "belt and suspenders". Thanks again - maybe I'll just leave it and cut off the brackets for the table. Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39

Wayne - Thanks for the reply. I'll probably leave it in. The only reason I was thinking of removing it was just to avoid the hassle of cutting those tabs for the table off. Right now I have pipe insulation taped to them to keep from ripping my knee cap off when walking by. Paul In a message dated 11/24/2009 9:09:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wa… [at] yahoo.com writes: Paul, I think your interior is the same as my boat's. It is my opinion (I am very far from an engineer) that the pole is structural. The '79's had a different table arrangement and no pole. The pole was introduced with your model year. I don't think the pole is there to hold the table up I think it is there to hold the coachroof up. For what it's worth, I wouldn't take mine out. I don't have the gutz or training to second guess the engineer/architect that decided it was a good idea to have the pole. BTW - on my boat there is a gap of about an inch and a half between the top of the pole and the coachroof. The gap is filled with a piece of Teak (round, donut sans hole). When I replaced the traveler system a few years ago I had taken the Teak out temporarily. The deck flexed a bit when I stood on it. Was it too much flex? I really don't know. It might be unrealistic to think a deck wouldn't flex under my extreme tonnage. But, it flexed so I decided the pole was structural. I think it's the safe assumption. Regards, Wayne From: "pwestla@aol. "pwestla<pw… [at] aol.pwe> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou C Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 9:24:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Thanks for all the replies but the 39 is not a 40 and at 19,000lbs I am hoping some of that extra weight is in the cabin top but who knows? That said, I believe the cabin on the 39 is quite a bit wider and therefore would be more subject to flexing and the fact that the bottom of the pole is attached to an "L" bracket on a cross beam, not the sole, may be an indicator that it is needed or could be there as a precaution only ie "belt and suspenders". Thanks again - maybe I'll just leave it and cut off the brackets for the table. Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39

Geez, Sorry, Timm!. I had read that Blog you put out about you being a 6'7" 290lb defensive lineman for Notre Dame who could bench press 620lb. I guess part of it was true. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole; Charlie  Are you saying I'm Fat? [cid:024200717@24112009-1A6B]<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/great-big-gut.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/android-obesity&usg=__aJW_dw3Cnox5rt6End5lyLANcm0=&h=1056&w=816&sz=240&hl=en&start=19&um=1&tbnid=6adF_qCzfJZxfM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfat%2Bbastard%2Bphotos%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS333US334%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1> dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  Fin, I was thinking of people of the approximate dimensions of Timm or myself stomping around on the cabin top. I never did have a chance to see what the original configuration looked like on my boat. I do know that the two stainless posts that were installed off to the sides are screwed into more solid flooring and screwed into the overhead (top and bottom of posts are flanged). Hmmm, come to think of it, I have not looked too carefully to see if the screws at the bottom poke out through the hull. : - ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:13 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  I agree with Timm on the support factor. Our factory poles were simply in mahogany "donuts" top-and-bottom, and (so far as I can remember, not really fastened to the "donuts". Because of the weight of the table, they rested on the cabin sole, but there may have been 1/4" - 5/16" space at the top, above the poles. As such, the cabin top would have to flex at least that much before contacting (and being supported by) the post. Fin. From: ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole [1 Attachment] I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com>> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

inside me is a very skinny man, trying to eat his way out! great to hear from you-all. Did manage to get in some winter sailing in Dublin Bay. Cool! bored in Ireland, dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole; Charlie  Geez, Sorry, Timm!. I had read that Blog you put out about you being a 6'7" 290lb defensive lineman for Notre Dame who could bench press 620lb. I guess part of it was true. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole; Charlie  Are you saying I'm Fat? [cid:357382217@24112009-0614]<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/great-big-gut.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/android-obesity&usg=__aJW_dw3Cnox5rt6End5lyLANcm0=&h=1056&w=816&sz=240&hl=en&start=19&um=1&tbnid=6adF_qCzfJZxfM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfat%2Bbastard%2Bphotos%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS333US334%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1> dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  Fin, I was thinking of people of the approximate dimensions of Timm or myself stomping around on the cabin top. I never did have a chance to see what the original configuration looked like on my boat. I do know that the two stainless posts that were installed off to the sides are screwed into more solid flooring and screwed into the overhead (top and bottom of posts are flanged). Hmmm, come to think of it, I have not looked too carefully to see if the screws at the bottom poke out through the hull. : - ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:13 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole  I agree with Timm on the support factor. Our factory poles were simply in mahogany "donuts" top-and-bottom, and (so far as I can remember, not really fastened to the "donuts". Because of the weight of the table, they rested on the cabin sole, but there may have been 1/4" - 5/16" space at the top, above the poles. As such, the cabin top would have to flex at least that much before contacting (and being supported by) the post. Fin. From: ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole [1 Attachment] I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold sails on the cabin sole below decks. As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. Mine gives too much. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla%40aol.com>> wrote: > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the mast > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and would > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > structural support? > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:50 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > [Attachment(s) from ti… [at] ch2m.com included below] > I do not know the 39. On the 40 I like the poles for two reasons, > (we are rated without the table.) 1. Something to hold on to while > in the sea way. 2. A place to hang/secure gear. (We have installed a > line crossbar high and low) high for hanging gear and low to hold > sails on the cabin sole below decks. > > As for support, I would only hope that it is for crew weight. The > poles are "anchored" on a fairly flexible cabin sole. So really not > a lot of strength. Our cabin is arched, where most of the strength is. > Cheers, > There seemed to be some give with crew weight and Roger Jones and I talked about doing something structurally but the pole takes care of it. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 4 # 96 > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon Nov 23 15:07:08 2009 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole > > > > Paul, my CAL 40 had the poles (there were two on the boat > centerline) removed by a previous owner. However, two poles with > bends in them (can send pictures) were installed for deck support on > either side of main cabin. I think the support is needed. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:00 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 39 Table Support Pole > > I have a Cal 40 with two poles that support the table. When I take > the table out, I have another stainless pole that I put in there to > support the cabin top. One way to tell is to see how much it gives. > Mine gives too much. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pwestla > %40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > I have an '80 Cal 39 with the dinette table that is bolted to the > mast > > and to a stainless pole at the aft end. I am going to build a table > > that mounts on the bulkhead between the saloon and the head and > would > > like to get rid of the pole. Does anyone know if it is needed for > > structural support? > > > > I seem to remember seeing some versions of the boat without it. > > Mine has the stbd galley and aft cabin to port. > > > > Thanks - > > > > Paul West > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

On Nov 23, 2009, at 6:24 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies but the 39 is not a 40 and at 19,000lbs I > am hoping some of that extra weight is in the cabin top but who > knows? That said, I believe the cabin on the 39 is quite a bit > wider and therefore would be more subject to flexing and the fact > that the bottom of the pole is attached to an "L" bracket on a cross > beam, not the sole, may be an indicator that it is needed or could > be there as a precaution only ie "belt and suspenders". > > Thanks again - maybe I'll just leave it and cut off the brackets for > the table. I had another pole made which is cleaner. It wasn't much of an expense at all. Maybe $100 or less. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > '80 Cal 39 > > > >

In a message dated 11/24/2009 1:46:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, mt… [at] cox.net writes: I had another pole made which is cleaner. It wasn't much of an expense at all. Maybe $100 or less. I think for $100 I can live with the scars of the brackets ;-) Paul